House of Cards

Cory Caboose · May 27, 2015

I quickly read the thread, yes. Nothing about those three has changed for me. Nyn changed. As for the rest you're going to have to wait until tomorrow to see. I am officially off to bed. Good night everyone.

Talk to me straight when you get a chance

Tell me exactly what you feel and why you feel it and why you're in this weird state because it's making you unreadable

Nynaeve · May 27, 2015

Because if you're wrong, you're lynching town. And if you're right, you're wasting half the day while giving her teammates the opportunity to hop on the wagon to avoid actually contributing.

I vote for my top scum read or alternatively one of my other suspects. If It's a majority game I might consolidate to avoid random. But yeah, that's about it.

Cory Caboose · May 27, 2015

Clov, the way Nyn is approaching the game is fine

Nyn, the way Clov is approaching the game is fine, unless he's a wolf in which case we'll kill him and eat his flesh for dinner

Nynaeve · May 27, 2015

Let me ask you this. What's your current read of Sooh?

Cory Caboose · May 27, 2015

I assume that was for Clov

Nynaeve · May 27, 2015

Clov, the way Nyn is approaching the game is fine

Nyn, the way Clov is approaching the game is fine, unless he's a wolf in which case we'll kill him and eat his flesh for dinner

Okay. As I said... this is a tinfoil. I much rather Clov be town and It's just a matter of me reading too much into it. But if Sooh flips scum and he keeps surviving nights..... we're gonna have this conversation again.

Nynaeve · May 27, 2015

I assume that was for Clov

yeah. cause it still remains unclear what his read is.

Clovdyx · May 27, 2015

Posting on phone because internet died.

Its not wrong, just not optimal IMO. We can all move to her and probably hit mafia 9 times out of 10. But doing it now doesn't do much good beyond eod

Clovdyx · May 27, 2015

I assume that was for Clov

yeah. cause it still remains unclear what his read is.

It shouldn't be.

Nynaeve · May 27, 2015

I'm gonna try sleep now. Ni ni

Nynaeve · May 27, 2015

I assume that was for Clov

yeah. cause it still remains unclear what his read is.

It shouldn't be.

What?

Cory Caboose · May 28, 2015

My major issue with Sooh is that my heart really wants her to be a villager and I'm finding that harder to ignore

This might make no sense to ANYONE but I am going to be extremely disappointed if she's a wolf and this was her approach to "clearing herself" as a wolf - abusing guilt tactics and emotional manipulation. So I want to believe she's a villager so I don't have to deal with that disappointment.

But that wanting doesn't make her a villager, and that's where my heart is torn.

I took something Mish told me once to heart - "play a beautiful game", because there's no pride in winning a game dirty like that.

Clovdyx · May 28, 2015

Back up now.

I assume that was for Clov

yeah. cause it still remains unclear what his read is.

It shouldn't be.

What?

Look at that post you quoted where I voted Dice. I gave five names I'd fine lynching, and Cass was the one I felt best about (to be town). That means Sooh is in my bottom four. If that's not clear enough for you, then that's your problem.

Kaylee · May 28, 2015

[v]Cass[/v]

I don't understand most of those reads at all. I don't see how you can say Darthe has been defending Nyn at all, and I'm not sure you can make a fair case of "distancing" when he's actively trying to get pressure on the slot. Pushing him for seer cover makes no sense to me.

Where has Kaylee been pushy at all? Observant questioning, sure, but I don't see how you can argue that's anti-town.

Again, early impressions and was just putting my thoughts out there. I agree with the observant questioning - my notes said pushy/observant questioning and that there were moments of quick agreement that felt off because that's the impression that I got. Here's where those thoughts came from:

Maybe that pans out more in a long game, I'm not familiar enough to say one way or another with certainty. What I do know is that early peeks are more likely to be wrong which both increases the odds of clearing yourself as not the seer if you're mafia or of you being the seer if you got it right. It's all a strange dichotomy.
I'm confused. Are you saying that it's better to wait? I'm asking because it seems like at first you're disagreeing with AJ, then agree.

The bold sounds like you disagree with him.

Green is sounds like you agree.

Can you please clarify?

I actually liked Kaylee's actual questioning/line of thought here. Her tone, particularly in the last three lines seems blunt and snappish to me though, possibly ready to push an agenda.

Darthe can you please answer my question?

Also reads as pushy. Initially struck me as impatient.

The black says it pretty well. I've never played in this format (Turbo's are quick so it doesn't matter as much) so I don't honestly know what is better here. I know that doing it earlier is more risk, more reward but I'm not sure if that is +ev compared to waiting to put out peeks.

Ok thanks

NP, got any reads yet?
Feeling better about you since your reply. There's been a lot of joking and it typically takes me awhile before I can really read people.

I liked AJ's idea about waiting to reveal peeks.

I found Darthe's response as fairly wishy-washy, and it stood out to me that Kaylee settled quickly and felt better about him following his replies.

I will throw out Kaylee, Darthe, and Verb as town though. Probably could not be talked into lynching either of them D1, barring a massive slip. Right now, I'd be torn between Nyn and Leelou but without much confidence on either.
Any particular reason you picked them? They joked a lot but I haven't seen much else from them.

Leelou's response to Verbal's insinuating she might be mafia felt off to me. I would expect Leelou to want to interact with Verbal, and it seemed to be more closing communication than opening it.

I can't really place my finger on what stood out to me about Nyn. I've always felt I've had a pretty good grasp on her, but I just didn't really get town vibes from her.

That makes a lot of sense actually.

Similar questioning and quick-agreeing pattern with the thing I found most scummy about Clov.

Which changes after this post by Nyn:

I can't really place my finger on what stood out to me about Nyn. I've always felt I've had a pretty good grasp on her, but I just didn't really get town vibes from her.

lol sure, okay

That makes a lot of sense actually.
I mean about Leelou.

Essentially I again agree with Kaylee here, but the later clarification and retrospective lack of questioning if she thinks the Nyn comment makes less sense stood out in comparison with her other posts.

Clov came in and made a joke about the scum team's identity, naming three players that haven't posted yet. You asked him if that was a soulread and then asked if it was a aussie theme. The whole post sounded fake to me and I did not care for it.

Darthe's opinion of how you usually play means squat to me. Other than mentoring you in a game, I don't think we've played together before so my focus is on your play in THIS game. And OMGUS FoSing me for allegedly sheeping Darthe (of all people! lol) is not making you look any better in my eyes. I also find it interesting that I'm getting FoSed but Darthe isn't even though, under your consideration, your content so far doesn't warrant it.

Any other thoughts you have to share?

I like this post of Nyn's.

Kaylee's simple agreement with this post of Nyn's feels too quick. It's definitely possible that she just reads Nyn better than me but the bold of Nyn's bothers me because it seems overly harsh (lolScaryNyn).

[sooh Quote Snipped cos too many quote blocks]

Kinda ironic. You call Nyn sheeping Darthe for adding on to his comment about you... yet you're the 3rd to comment on this post of her's.

I didn't really see this as ironic, or worth mentioning unless the motivation was to discredit Sooh's reply.

[Darthe quote snipped cos too many quote blocks]

Actually three people said they liked it.

This felt pointless?

Never said pushing people is bad form. Just called it ironic as I saw it you did something you called her out for.
Fair enough.

Does it mean anything to you that I did that?

Seemed scummy...but I have a hard time reading you. For now you're in my null pile. I should say I tend to read you wrong so I'd like to see more from you before making up my mind.

Im gonna talk this out with Halli. Clov is far from being my top choice for a lynch at the moment.

On my cell right now but Sooh responding that she was waiting to hear AJ out before mentioning Darthe is a BS response. So instead of bringing up thoughts and concerns of her own in regards to him characterising her town meta as very townie she lays back and waits for AJ's impending push on him????

Good point on Sooh. All the more reason for me not to like her for town.

Not really that ironic imo. Feels like you're trying to call Sooh a hypocrite with using the word "hypocrite."
I was basically calling her hypocrite.

Here's what I actually said after the first read:

Thoughts to p. 14

/snip

Kaylee - pushy/observant questioning - quick agreements with Darthe/Clov felt off

And here's more explanation/where I'm at on Kaylee after re-reading to that point:

- I still feel her tone is pushy, though I'm less inclined to think of it as a wolfy tell at this point. She uses lots of full-stops/really short sentences when she's giving her opinions and it is potentially this which gives me bad tone-vibes/comes across as overly blunt to me. I'm reading her the same way I tend to read Nyn, and in that light I'll admit that me reading her as pushy is probably unlikely to be alignment indicative;

- Kaylee agrees with a lot of Nyn's content;

- I still like her questions if not her tone;

- Her 'quick agreement' may be more related to my interpretation of her tone;

- The way she corrected herself at the time but didn't question Clov on his early read of Nyn still stands out to me;

- I'll keep her in wary null for now.

Up to this post catching up.

Cass, you may have missed it. I said I got a town view on Nyn. So yes I'll agree with her.

To be frank, I'll agree with anyone that makes a point that makes sense to me. Doesn't mean i find them town, just that I liked what they had to say. That comes from me not always able to respond in time. Days like today, when I have to play catch up, I'll read through and sometimes the things I want to say have already been said. In that case I'll agree with the person that said them instead of just stating the same thing over again.

Sometimes someone will make a post that hits me as how I feel, so I'll agree.

I do my best to make original thoughts/posts like I did early game. It's harder when I'm playing catch up though. Should back to tall time tomorrow.

Anyway I'll be commenting as I catch up.

Nynaeve · May 28, 2015

My major issue with Sooh is that my heart really wants her to be a villager and I'm finding that harder to ignore

This might make no sense to ANYONE but I am going to be extremely disappointed if she's a wolf and this was her approach to "clearing herself" as a wolf - abusing guilt tactics and emotional manipulation. So I want to believe she's a villager so I don't have to deal with that disappointment.

But that wanting doesn't make her a villager, and that's where my heart is torn.

I took something Mish told me once to heart - "play a beautiful game", because there's no pride in winning a game dirty like that.

The thing is that I didn't like her posts before the AtE. The AtE didn't help but I'd hardly say it's the main reason I find her off.

I always try not to let AtE affect my reads one way or the other. I do my best to ignore it. I understand where you're coming from though. I get it.

Clovdyx · May 28, 2015

My major issue with Sooh is that my heart really wants her to be a villager and I'm finding that harder to ignore

This might make no sense to ANYONE but I am going to be extremely disappointed if she's a wolf and this was her approach to "clearing herself" as a wolf - abusing guilt tactics and emotional manipulation. So I want to believe she's a villager so I don't have to deal with that disappointment.

But that wanting doesn't make her a villager, and that's where my heart is torn.

I took something Mish told me once to heart - "play a beautiful game", because there's no pride in winning a game dirty like that.

I like this, and I like you.

I would take pride in winning a game like that :(

Kaylee · May 28, 2015

Kaylee's simple agreement with this post of Nyn's feels too quick. It's definitely possible that she just reads Nyn better than me but the bold of Nyn's bothers me because it seems overly harsh (lolScaryNyn).

*laughs*

It wasn't me agreeing with her post but rather liking her tone. It sounds like town Nyn. That's what I liked most about it.

Guess I'll have to respond to a lot of your thoughts on me Cass..give me a sec.

Kaylee · May 28, 2015

Kaylee, on 26 May 2015 - 09:38 AM, said:

Darthe can you please answer my question?

Also reads as pushy. Initially struck me as impatient.

It was me seeing him active yet not answering my question... therfore i asked him to answer it. Didn't want him to miss it either.

Cory Caboose · May 28, 2015

I always try not to let AtE affect my reads one way or the other. I do my best to ignore it. I understand where you're coming from though. I get it.

I have #INFP problems, I think

Nynaeve · May 28, 2015

Look at that post you quoted where I voted Dice. I gave five names I'd fine lynching, and Cass was the one I felt best about (to be town). That means Sooh is in my bottom four. If that's not clear enough for you, then that's your problem.

You said you weren't going to fight the lynch of said people. I don't think it indicates much there when you lump them all together. I would have liked to hear more than that. But w/e. Don't feel like talking anymore.

Nynaeve · May 28, 2015

Going to bed for real. Night.

Cory Caboose · May 28, 2015

Night Nyn :wub:

I'll hold the fort

Nynaeve · May 28, 2015

<3

Kaylee · May 28, 2015

Darthe, on 26 May 2015 - 09:42 AM, said:

The black says it pretty well. I've never played in this format (Turbo's are quick so it doesn't matter as much) so I don't honestly know what is better here. I know that doing it earlier is more risk, more reward but I'm not sure if that is +ev compared to waiting to put out peeks.

Kaylee, on 26 May 2015 - 09:44 AM, said:

Ok thanks

Kaylee, on 26 May 2015 - 09:52 AM, said:

Darthe, on 26 May 2015 - 09:44 AM, said:

NP, got any reads yet?

Feeling better about you since your reply. There's been a lot of joking and it typically takes me awhile before I can really read people.

I liked AJ's idea about waiting to reveal peeks.

I found Darthe's response as fairly wishy-washy, and it stood out to me that Kaylee settled quickly and felt better about him following his replies.

It was how he took the time to explain it. It felt genuine and like he was explaining what he thought. His tone I guess in the responses is what made me feel better.

Clovdyx · May 28, 2015

Look at that post you quoted where I voted Dice. I gave five names I'd fine lynching, and Cass was the one I felt best about (to be town). That means Sooh is in my bottom four. If that's not clear enough for you, then that's your problem.

You said you weren't going to fight the lynch of said people. I don't think it indicates much there when you lump them all together. I would have liked to hear more than that. But w/e. Don't feel like talking anymore.

There are five names and three mafia. I'll concede it's more obvious to me because I know what I'm thinking, but I really don't think it's a stretch to infer those five are not town reads.

House of Cards

Recommended Posts

Archived

Stay Connected

Forum Topics

News items

About Dragonmount

Twitter

Facebook