A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

Yates · May 13, 2015

Andrej: not straight mafia.

Askthepizzaguy · May 13, 2015

also calling it refusing to play is unfair, i do have a busy RL at the moment, and just can't keep up.

Then ask to be replaced.

no.

you just have to get used to me not being around that much.

And with this short interaction, i wonder why i bothered coming here during working hours.

Thane, focus on me.

You are going to be my Adaham this game, at least until I read you wolf.

Don't interact with the people who are downvoting your contributions so far. Find someone who you can interact more constructively with and if you can't find one, I'll volunteer for the time being.

When you get caught up on this monster, tell me a couple of wolves, and find me a villager I have not named yet. Or tell me why someone I accused is a villager.

Do this for great justice.

Leelou · May 13, 2015

also calling it refusing to play is unfair, i do have a busy RL at the moment, and just can't keep up.

Then ask to be replaced.

no.

you just have to get used to me not being around that much.

And with this short interaction, i wonder why i bothered coming here during working hours.

so no contributions at all?

Krakalakachkn · May 13, 2015

So you're saying he's confirmed town?

Yates · May 13, 2015

So you're saying he's confirmed town?

Yes.

Thane Vakarian · May 13, 2015

it's 8 pm; i have an hour left at work with half a ton of things to do. Then, i have an hour long drive back home. i got up at 5:30 this morning. So, no contributions today, no. I can't catch up on this monster in so little time.

Krakalakachkn · May 13, 2015

So you're saying he's confirmed town?
Yes.

Are mafia-aligned masons only seen in madness?

Sili Quirrels · May 13, 2015

Sili: the vote on Yates sealed his fate even after he had claimed, at the time Yates and Seph were 2 each on votes and then he comes in and votes AFTER Yates had claimed, not only his role but also a name. It just seems like a really slack thing to do if Mafia, I gather he has played a lot and so wouldn't make that kind of mistake..Grrr...Still doesn't sit right

How about you ask Yates to claim in one post, a lot better than he did, and then I don't vote him.

Plus I didn't even know the day had ended early so technically, while I'm not sure what I might have done given the chance, I didn't vote for Yates at lynch. :/

Andrej · May 13, 2015

As for AJ, ...I find him unlikely town but not straight mafia either.
Don't ask, don't tell, imo.

They've done away with that, you know.

Yates · May 13, 2015

Are mafia-aligned masons only seen in madness?

Zander and EP are Masons. Together. You should probably reread this post. If it's too long just skip the stuff in black and read the stuff in blue.

Yates · May 13, 2015

They've done away with that, you know.

When I was in they still asked...

Sili Quirrels · May 13, 2015

it's 8 pm; i have an hour left at work with half a ton of things to do. Then, i have an hour long drive back home. i got up at 5:30 this morning. So, no contributions today, no. I can't catch up on this monster in so little time.

Why haven't you found time to play? IT's not like you're new to the game. You know how to read and keep notes. It's been about 4 days since we started so that's about 16 pages/day.

Sili Quirrels · May 13, 2015

I get the impression Zanders may have been a vig. shot. Like, between tress and zanders there was a lot more discussion about zanders.

Yates · May 13, 2015

How about you ask Yates to claim in one post...

I did. You were wrong.

So here's the deal.

I'm out in 30 minutes.

I'm going to flip a BP Town PR.

The PR may or may not have influenced the way I posted but these pushes have been objectively bad.

I suspect the scum on my wagon would be AJ, Hally, Verb - in that order. Sooh is also up there but has the excuse of being first on the wagon and too lazy to unvote.

Use that info as you see fit.

-_-

So insincere. I don't know if you're saying this to fake claim BP because you want scum to never kill you, or if you are fake claiming BP because you want to dodge a lynch, but this isn't about postmortem.

I don't believe you.

Andrej · May 13, 2015

Also AJ's post that I quoted a second ago was bad. Chock full of all sorts of tells.

Elaborate then.

At this point calling me scum is an easy stance to take. You don't get to vote me and say it's for tone when I have over 100 posts that you can pour through and legitimately try to figure me out.

Yates · May 13, 2015

I get the impression Zanders may have been a vig. shot. Like, between tress and zanders there was a lot more discussion about zanders.

???

I get the impression Zander was a PR shot. To get rid of conf Town. But that's just me.

Yates · May 13, 2015

Also AJ's post that I quoted a second ago was bad. Chock full of all sorts of tells.

Elaborate then.

At this point calling me scum is an easy stance to take. You don't get to vote me and say it's for tone when I have over 100 posts that you can pour through and legitimately try to figure me out.

[v]AJ[/v]

Tone.

Yates · May 13, 2015

TROOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA!

[unvote]

Gabriel Kross · May 13, 2015

Oh, and what was suspicious about Leelou

I guess one isn't allowed to be wrong D1.

Why did you not unvote when he claimed a PR? You never bury a vote on PR claims, especially when there is no cc, which means it is likely a true claim.

Because I thought we had more time in the day, like hours, and wanted look back on his reads again that he seemed to be jumbling up. When I got done walking the dog after getting home, I went upstairs to see what was happening in the game and he was lynched.

I take back my thanking you for being town on D1. Nervous you looked town D1 because you were scumhunting another scum team. Please course correct me if I'm off.

Don't do this to me, I'll start to think you are scum.

Doesn't matter - you know that the right step is just to unvote and THEN figure it out.

And don't even start the OMGUS angle. I've been solid town the whole day, and that's not changing. Just because my read on you from early D1 is wavering doesn't mean you can equate that to mean I must be scum.

Well clearly it wasn't a true claim. He wasn't a vig. Plus, with multi teams out there I think all claims should be taken with a grain of salt. He was jumbling up reads and never once told me that I was wrong about him thinking Zander was scummy. It wasn't until way late in the day that he even said he switched up Seph and Zander and then went into the semantics thing.

YOU never voted Seph and put your money where your mouth is. YOU trying to discredit me is not a good look for you.

The fact that you're debating a "it's his fault for not claiming the correct town PR" is really bad

Fwiw I agree with Leelou there. I didn't believe the claim because a BP Vig is essentially a SK claim 10 out of 10 times. I'm not going to accept ridicule for not believing a claim that turned out to be fake anyway.

Also, good morning. Pretty sure I just failed a quiz.

You too

Hi Andrej. Maybe the role is more common where you play, but the "BP VIG is SK 9/10 times" is definitely one I've never heard of. I've only seen one place where someone that shoots at night is automatically protected, and that IS the SK role. Never seen it anywhere else though, so not sure why you'd be so sure that you wouldn't unvote.

So you've seen SKs with NK immunity before? That's what I'm talking about. A BP killer in a multiball game is much more likely to be scum than town imo. At least that's where my head was at. This is also in conjunction with a lot of other things, but overall to say the least I didn't believe him. And technically I wasn't wrong either in thinking it was a lie.

Hindsight.

FTR, I disagree with this......but I understand it is very subjective and I don't hold that against you. I'm just saying this for posterity in case we have another reveal along these lines.

YOU never voted Seph and put your money where your mouth is. YOU trying to discredit me is not a good look for you.

Please read below:

I'm not lynching a claimed vig. If there are equally armed factions in this game, a town vig would be reasonable. Scum will resolve him, or a Cop can at some point. But he's off the table for today, at least.

I'm not lynching a claimed vig. If there are equally armed factions in this game, a town vig would be reasonable. Scum will resolve him, or a Cop can at some point. But he's off the table for today, at least.

Then who do you want to lynch?

Probably seph.

That first post by me is pretty clear on my final stance re: Yates. Then you asked me who I'd vote, which makes me feel like you'd be looking for ideas.

I answer with PROBABLY seph. Not sure why you and Sooh think it is reasonable to FoS me for saying "probably" and not actually placing a vote.

The more you guys try to pass the suspicion onto me, the more it is going to fuel your own lynches.

"Probably" is more along the lines of fence sitting and doesn't look good either.

Is this going to be your theme today? Take small potshots at me to distance from being seen as tied to me and also see if anybody (other than Sooh) else will latch on?

I'm tempted to do something that I've never done before, and actually thunderdome you.

do it

The grove in which they camped at night was an old grove, detached from the regular forest and somehow separate in feeling from the evil of the rest. The group's fire had been small last night, of habit more than necessity, but the crackling warmth it once provided dwindled to embers long before the sun rose. It was the slow rising light of day that brought your camp back to life and brought terrors to light from the shadow before. There, spread between two trees back in the darker parts of the grove, stretched the sticky cable-like tendrils of a web too large for any normal spider on Middle Earth. It reached back into the trees and pulled branches together like fingers of evil trying to envelope the forest. A few elven warriors gave cry and drew the camp near. There, beneath layer upon layer of goop, were the vaguely charred and slightly melted remnants of a breastplate. In another place a gauntleted glove was found. Here a boot, part of a foot still attached. A small multicolored spider crawled out of it and warranted a quick arrow.

It took far too long to figure out what had happened to Elu Thingol. Finding him took nearly an hour in all, his head mostly blended into the web by the color of his white hair.

Zander - Elu Thingol, Town Mason has been eviscerated by spiders.

The group was so enamored by his revolting death that it took them a long while to realize that one of their party hadn't woken. There Tulkas lay peacefully under the cover of an old gray elvish cloak, the blood from his slit throat mostly hidden by his beard. What could have done this to one of the Valar? When the cloak was removed his body faded in a white light and Tulkas was no more.

Tress - Tulkas, Town Vanilla has been found dead.

It is now Day two! With 21 alive it takes 12 to lynch.

guess this is the point where I just come out and say it. Yates was right boys. Let his ego be swollen.

My reads from before the Yates lynch:

AJ is anti-town.

Sili is villager

Sooh is a scum

EP is scum lean

I haven't seen too much to change my mind since then. I need to reread the pages leading up to the lynch, but I'm happy to run train on those three.

As far as general thoughts on the game thus far:

Not comfortable with getting off the fence regarding Verb and Leelou. If pushed I would probably fall off with Leelou scum and Verb town but atm it's pretty much a toss-up imo.

I'm alright with Pizza for the moment.

I like Cass as town.

LOL please tell me you're going to actually try sometime this game

Gabriel Kross · May 13, 2015

How does Zander's flip affect your EP read?
Grunts
Wanna try again?
Scum lean

right back at ya.

@Krak - how is EP a scum lean when he called out that he knew Zander was town? That implies Mason pretty heavily, and that's what Zander flipped.

So unless you're suggesting EP had some sort of N0 action to ID the alignment of Zander and that is was a huge coincidence (like, HUGE) that Zander ended up flipping Mason, I'm not sure WTF you're smoking.

dude I pride myself in my strategies but I'm not THAT good.

I didn't like his third point against Seph from way back when.

As for AJ, he's playing a cautiously bold game so far and in tonereading him I find him unlikely town but not straight mafia either.

I'm pretty much tonreading everyone atm fwiw. I haven't had a lot of time to use my computer and it's next to impossible to take notes on my phone.

wait so a single point on Seph outweighs any possible chance that other than blatantly saying I was a mason that I littered the thread with masonic ideas

or i'll just wait untill half the game is dead and play from then on? makes the postcount easier to follow

also calling it refusing to play is unfair, i do have a busy RL at the moment, and just can't keep up.

Then ask to be replaced.

no.

you just have to get used to me not being around that much.

And with this short interaction, i wonder why i bothered coming here during working hours.

Can we just lynch Thane and be done with it? Even if he is town aligned he is anti-town has yet to post a single game related thing in this thread and threatend to continue not being relevant

As for AJ, ...I find him unlikely town but not straight mafia either.
Don't ask, don't tell, imo.

Also, you may have been noticing people chuckling behind you back. You MAY want to reconsider your EP lean. If you want, ISO EP and search for Yates. You'll see where Yates 1.0 said something about his role/alignment that he thought might not be the most pro Town thing ever. He was wrong but I wasn't - if you catch my drift.

^see there's the ego swelling.

Andrej · May 13, 2015

Also AJ's post that I quoted a second ago was bad. Chock full of all sorts of tells.
Elaborate then.At this point calling me scum is an easy stance to take. You don't get to vote me and say it's for tone when I have over 100 posts that you can pour through and legitimately try to figure me out.
[v]AJ[/v]Tone.

Gabriel Kross · May 13, 2015

My possible mafia reads atm

Krak

Leelou

Aj

Thane

Seph

For the sake of Thane's refusal to even play or request replacement [v]Thane[/v]

Thane Vakarian · May 13, 2015

thanks EP, it's appreciated.

Yates · May 13, 2015

thanks EP, it's appreciated.

Dude. Have a beer on me. Push up your sleeves. And get in here and do some work. No more posting until you are caught up and ready to rock my socks.

Verbal32 · May 13, 2015

I didn't like his third point against Seph from way back when.

As for AJ, he's playing a cautiously bold game so far and in tonereading him I find him unlikely town but not straight mafia either.

I'm pretty much tonreading everyone atm fwiw. I haven't had a lot of time to use my computer and it's next to impossible to take notes on my phone.

Not the best idea you've had.

Krak spewed himself villager 95% of the time here, based on that observation.

Derp clears are not a thing, because they can be faked, but at the same time, I completely understand- I couldn't even recall who Zander's mason partner was without re-reading.

Stuff isn't sinking in yet.

But I feel great about my Sooh and Krak village leans, and we have a known mason.

Sili looking amazing and villagery. Yates probably still a villager.

That's five. Anyone looking to join this list, do me a favor: trim your multiquotes down.

I might give you free villager points for the day which expire in....

I'll be generous, two Day rounds. So Day Four at the earliest.

I'm nodding my head with EP, Krak, Sili, and Yates. I'm shaking my head for Sooh.

Why am I shaking my head? Because you are using sheer personal conversation meta not related to the game? There's knowing a person well from hanging with them IRL many times and therefore reading them well without specific game content.....and there's what you're doing.

I don't see it, so can you help me see it?

Why do you feel good about Sooh being village?

There's enough interest in voting for her that I think her team would be bussing her at this point.

I've spoken to her for a very long time in a short time frame before the game on a personal basis and there's nothing out of character for her in this entire game.

The bold helps, btw, but still not enough to mark her town (which you're obviously doing).

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