A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

Alot · May 13, 2015

Still need these answered:

Can someone please summarize what was scummy about Hallia's vote, who the masons are, and other than posting alot even when not caught up on the game and being "open" about his thoughts, why Sili is (in his own words) "a consensus town read"?

Oh, and what was suspicious about Leelou (if there was something besides voting the pr claim and not unvoting)?

Leelou · May 13, 2015

Oh, and what was suspicious about Leelou

I guess one isn't allowed to be wrong D1.

Why did you not unvote when he claimed a PR? You never bury a vote on PR claims, especially when there is no cc, which means it is likely a true claim.

Because I thought we had more time in the day, like hours, and wanted look back on his reads again that he seemed to be jumbling up. When I got done walking the dog after getting home, I went upstairs to see what was happening in the game and he was lynched.

I take back my thanking you for being town on D1. Nervous you looked town D1 because you were scumhunting another scum team. Please course correct me if I'm off.

Don't do this to me, I'll start to think you are scum.

Verbal32 · May 13, 2015

Oh, and what was suspicious about Leelou

I guess one isn't allowed to be wrong D1.

Why did you not unvote when he claimed a PR? You never bury a vote on PR claims, especially when there is no cc, which means it is likely a true claim.

Because I thought we had more time in the day, like hours, and wanted look back on his reads again that he seemed to be jumbling up. When I got done walking the dog after getting home, I went upstairs to see what was happening in the game and he was lynched.

I take back my thanking you for being town on D1. Nervous you looked town D1 because you were scumhunting another scum team. Please course correct me if I'm off.

Don't do this to me, I'll start to think you are scum.

Doesn't matter - you know that the right step is just to unvote and THEN figure it out.

And don't even start the OMGUS angle. I've been solid town the whole day, and that's not changing. Just because my read on you from early D1 is wavering doesn't mean you can equate that to mean I must be scum.

Alot · May 13, 2015

Doesn't matter - you know that the right step is just to unvote and THEN figure it out.

And don't even start the OMGUS angle. I've been solid town the whole day, and that's not changing. Just because my read on you from early D1 is wavering doesn't mean you can equate that to mean I must be scum.

Truth

Talya · May 13, 2015

Still need these answered:

Can someone please summarize what was scummy about Hallia's vote, who the masons are, and other than posting alot even when not caught up on the game and being "open" about his thoughts, why Sili is (in his own words) "a consensus town read"?

Oh, and what was suspicious about Leelou (if there was something besides voting the pr claim and not unvoting)?

for me it was that she said she didn't have time to read and was trying to catch up...I think she couldn't get on her ohone or something then she decides that Yates was looking a little dodgy and voted. She did say something else that I took wrongly, but I was corrected on that. I had to go, not on for the end (time zones and all that) and so thought I would put my vote on Hallia as I didn't like it.

The Mason's are supposed to be EP and Zander though obviously no proof of that yet.

Everyone keeps saying Sili is town by his meta, I don't know him so can't comment, and I'm not going take everyone's word as matter of fact.

If anything for Leelou being suspicious was after me mentioning her twinniness with Verb she changes, but other than that you will have to ask others or go and read for yourself tto make your mind up.

Leelou · May 13, 2015

Oh, and what was suspicious about Leelou

I guess one isn't allowed to be wrong D1.

Why did you not unvote when he claimed a PR? You never bury a vote on PR claims, especially when there is no cc, which means it is likely a true claim.

Because I thought we had more time in the day, like hours, and wanted look back on his reads again that he seemed to be jumbling up. When I got done walking the dog after getting home, I went upstairs to see what was happening in the game and he was lynched.

I take back my thanking you for being town on D1. Nervous you looked town D1 because you were scumhunting another scum team. Please course correct me if I'm off.

Don't do this to me, I'll start to think you are scum.

Doesn't matter - you know that the right step is just to unvote and THEN figure it out.

And don't even start the OMGUS angle. I've been solid town the whole day, and that's not changing. Just because my read on you from early D1 is wavering doesn't mean you can equate that to mean I must be scum.

Well clearly it wasn't a true claim. He wasn't a vig. Plus, with multi teams out there I think all claims should be taken with a grain of salt. He was jumbling up reads and never once told me that I was wrong about him thinking Zander was scummy. It wasn't until way late in the day that he even said he switched up Seph and Zander and then went into the semantics thing.

YOU never voted Seph and put your money where your mouth is. YOU trying to discredit me is not a good look for you.

Andrej · May 13, 2015

Fwiw I agree with Leelou there. I didn't believe the claim because a BP Vig is essentially a SK claim 10 out of 10 times. I'm not going to accept ridicule for not believing a claim that turned out to be fake anyway.

Also, good morning. Pretty sure I just failed a quiz.

Andrej · May 13, 2015

I guess I should say 9 out of 10 times after yesterday, but yeah.

Leelou · May 13, 2015

If anything for Leelou being suspicious was after me mentioning her twinniness with Verb she changes, but other than that you will have to ask others or go and read for yourself tto make your mind up.

I'm just annoyed of only seeming to be mentioned with Verb. Yes, we post together and seem to think along the same lines sometimes, but I do have my own thoughts, am posting and interacting with other people. Honestly it's annoying as all hell of just getting lumped with Verb. His read on me should NOT influence your read of me that much (this is for EVERYONE), yes he does have a tendency to read me well, but people should come to their own conclusions. Do you know how annoying it is to try to fight a lynch because he says I'm scummy? He is WRONG from time to time.

Andrej · May 13, 2015

Hi Alot

Verbal32 · May 13, 2015

If anything for Leelou being suspicious was after me mentioning her twinniness with Verb she changes, but other than that you will have to ask others or go and read for yourself tto make your mind up.

I'm just annoyed of only seeming to be mentioned with Verb. Yes, we post together and seem to think along the same lines sometimes, but I do have my own thoughts, am posting and interacting with other people. Honestly it's annoying as all hell of just getting lumped with Verb. His read on me should NOT influence your read of me that much (this is for EVERYONE), yes he does have a tendency to read me well, but people should come to their own conclusions. Do you know how annoying it is to try to fight a lynch because he says I'm scummy? He is WRONG from time to time.

That is the understatement of the century, dear. If we could put a % on the accuracy of my Leelou-reads, I'm operating at well above 75% efficiency. You can't get much better odds than that.

Leelou · May 13, 2015

If anything for Leelou being suspicious was after me mentioning her twinniness with Verb she changes, but other than that you will have to ask others or go and read for yourself tto make your mind up.

I'm just annoyed of only seeming to be mentioned with Verb. Yes, we post together and seem to think along the same lines sometimes, but I do have my own thoughts, am posting and interacting with other people. Honestly it's annoying as all hell of just getting lumped with Verb. His read on me should NOT influence your read of me that much (this is for EVERYONE), yes he does have a tendency to read me well, but people should come to their own conclusions. Do you know how annoying it is to try to fight a lynch because he says I'm scummy? He is WRONG from time to time.

That is the understatement of the century, dear. If we could put a % on the accuracy of my Leelou-reads, I'm operating at well above 75% efficiency. You can't get much better odds than that.

You are still wrong from time to time and people shouldn't just piggyback your read of me. Point I'm trying to get across.

Verbal32 · May 13, 2015

Well clearly it wasn't a true claim. He wasn't a vig. Plus, with multi teams out there I think all claims should be taken with a grain of salt. He was jumbling up reads and never once told me that I was wrong about him thinking Zander was scummy. It wasn't until way late in the day that he even said he switched up Seph and Zander and then went into the semantics thing.

YOU never voted Seph and put your money where your mouth is. YOU trying to discredit me is not a good look for you.

This is an interesting point. I've always said scum like to operate within semantics, and I did notice that particular event unfolding like that (with a ton of semantics). It made me think Yates was scum, but when he claimed and admitted he was wrong and swapped those names, I unvoted.

Looking back with the knowledge that Yates was town, it could be said you were the one operating within semantics. I'm not condemning you - I did have a good feeling on you from earlier D1 (I said as much), but hiding as scum in this type of game would be pretty damn easy. Just scumhunt the other scum team(s) and look pro-town for it.

Leelou · May 13, 2015

Well clearly it wasn't a true claim. He wasn't a vig. Plus, with multi teams out there I think all claims should be taken with a grain of salt. He was jumbling up reads and never once told me that I was wrong about him thinking Zander was scummy. It wasn't until way late in the day that he even said he switched up Seph and Zander and then went into the semantics thing.

YOU never voted Seph and put your money where your mouth is. YOU trying to discredit me is not a good look for you.

This is an interesting point. I've always said scum like to operate within semantics, and I did notice that particular event unfolding like that (with a ton of semantics). It made me think Yates was scum, but when he claimed and admitted he was wrong and swapped those names, I unvoted.

Looking back with the knowledge that Yates was town, it could be said you were the one operating within semantics. I'm not condemning you - I did have a good feeling on you from earlier D1 (I said as much), but hiding as scum in this type of game would be pretty damn easy. Just scumhunt the other scum team(s) and look pro-town for it.

Well I'm not scum and wasn't trying to use semantics. If you noticed I asked him a few times to actually spell it all out for me in regards as to when he changed from scummy on Zander to pulling info out of him and then he ended up going off the handle and calling us douches.

Alot · May 13, 2015

Hi Andrej. Maybe the role is more common where you play, but the "BP VIG is SK 9/10 times" is definitely one I've never heard of. I've only seen one place where someone that shoots at night is automatically protected, and that IS the SK role. Never seen it anywhere else though, so not sure why you'd be so sure that you wouldn't unvote.

Alot · May 13, 2015

That was at Town of Salem, forgot to add that.

Verbal32 · May 13, 2015

YOU never voted Seph and put your money where your mouth is. YOU trying to discredit me is not a good look for you.

Please read below:

I'm not lynching a claimed vig. If there are equally armed factions in this game, a town vig would be reasonable. Scum will resolve him, or a Cop can at some point. But he's off the table for today, at least.

I'm not lynching a claimed vig. If there are equally armed factions in this game, a town vig would be reasonable. Scum will resolve him, or a Cop can at some point. But he's off the table for today, at least.

Then who do you want to lynch?

Probably seph.

That first post by me is pretty clear on my final stance re: Yates. Then you asked me who I'd vote, which makes me feel like you'd be looking for ideas.

I answer with PROBABLY seph. Not sure why you and Sooh think it is reasonable to FoS me for saying "probably" and not actually placing a vote.

The more you guys try to pass the suspicion onto me, the more it is going to fuel your own lynches.

Yates · May 13, 2015

Probably.

Cass · May 13, 2015

Morning all,

Catch-up complete and going back now to pull out some specifics. I've decided that like Yates 2.0 I need to YOLO more, but unlike him I'm still going to try and read. Will flick between here and there if anyone wants to chat.

Andrej · May 13, 2015

Hi Andrej. Maybe the role is more common where you play, but the "BP VIG is SK 9/10 times" is definitely one I've never heard of. I've only seen one place where someone that shoots at night is automatically protected, and that IS the SK role. Never seen it anywhere else though, so not sure why you'd be so sure that you wouldn't unvote.

So you've seen SKs with NK immunity before? That's what I'm talking about. A BP killer in a multiball game is much more likely to be scum than town imo. At least that's where my head was at. This is also in conjunction with a lot of other things, but overall to say the least I didn't believe him. And technically I wasn't wrong either in thinking it was a lie.

Hindsight.

Leelou · May 13, 2015

YOU never voted Seph and put your money where your mouth is. YOU trying to discredit me is not a good look for you.

Please read below:

I'm not lynching a claimed vig. If there are equally armed factions in this game, a town vig would be reasonable. Scum will resolve him, or a Cop can at some point. But he's off the table for today, at least.

I'm not lynching a claimed vig. If there are equally armed factions in this game, a town vig would be reasonable. Scum will resolve him, or a Cop can at some point. But he's off the table for today, at least.

Then who do you want to lynch?

Probably seph.

That first post by me is pretty clear on my final stance re: Yates. Then you asked me who I'd vote, which makes me feel like you'd be looking for ideas.

I answer with PROBABLY seph. Not sure why you and Sooh think it is reasonable to FoS me for saying "probably" and not actually placing a vote.

The more you guys try to pass the suspicion onto me, the more it is going to fuel your own lynches.

"Probably" is more along the lines of fence sitting and doesn't look good either.

Verbal32 · May 13, 2015

Well clearly it wasn't a true claim. He wasn't a vig. Plus, with multi teams out there I think all claims should be taken with a grain of salt. He was jumbling up reads and never once told me that I was wrong about him thinking Zander was scummy. It wasn't until way late in the day that he even said he switched up Seph and Zander and then went into the semantics thing.

YOU never voted Seph and put your money where your mouth is. YOU trying to discredit me is not a good look for you.

This is an interesting point. I've always said scum like to operate within semantics, and I did notice that particular event unfolding like that (with a ton of semantics). It made me think Yates was scum, but when he claimed and admitted he was wrong and swapped those names, I unvoted.

Looking back with the knowledge that Yates was town, it could be said you were the one operating within semantics. I'm not condemning you - I did have a good feeling on you from earlier D1 (I said as much), but hiding as scum in this type of game would be pretty damn easy. Just scumhunt the other scum team(s) and look pro-town for it.

Well I'm not scum and wasn't trying to use semantics. If you noticed I asked him a few times to actually spell it all out for me in regards as to when he changed from scummy on Zander to pulling info out of him and then he ended up going off the handle and calling us douches.

Yes, you have that in your favor. Yates was just being salty, which was pretty obvious.

Probably.

Try not to trip over your own feet today and maybe you'll live to see another. ;-)

Cass · May 13, 2015

/Snip

You just locked your self in blue.

The thing i have noticed, particularly when i answered him above was that I cant point to anything and say thats typical yates. Aside from the pumpkin thing but that was kinda meh to me actually cause id seen it before.

His posts that I responded to can definetly be taken 2 ways and im umming and ahhing which way to go. I shouldnt be doing that with him.

I do want to see his response tho before i vote

Dicey, let's chat?

The bold concerns me a bit - Why would AJ pushing Yates lock him blue, given this is multiball? Why would !TownDice hesitate so much on his broYates, and then... wait?

Andrej · May 13, 2015

That was at Town of Salem, forgot to add that.

You play there too? lol

Buffed solo players aren't exactly rare, ftr. Especially not in Advanced games.

Verbal32 · May 13, 2015

Hi Andrej. Maybe the role is more common where you play, but the "BP VIG is SK 9/10 times" is definitely one I've never heard of. I've only seen one place where someone that shoots at night is automatically protected, and that IS the SK role. Never seen it anywhere else though, so not sure why you'd be so sure that you wouldn't unvote.

So you've seen SKs with NK immunity before? That's what I'm talking about. A BP killer in a multiball game is much more likely to be scum than town imo. At least that's where my head was at. This is also in conjunction with a lot of other things, but overall to say the least I didn't believe him. And technically I wasn't wrong either in thinking it was a lie.

Hindsight.

FTR, I disagree with this......but I understand it is very subjective and I don't hold that against you. I'm just saying this for posterity in case we have another reveal along these lines.

YOU never voted Seph and put your money where your mouth is. YOU trying to discredit me is not a good look for you.

Please read below:

I'm not lynching a claimed vig. If there are equally armed factions in this game, a town vig would be reasonable. Scum will resolve him, or a Cop can at some point. But he's off the table for today, at least.

I'm not lynching a claimed vig. If there are equally armed factions in this game, a town vig would be reasonable. Scum will resolve him, or a Cop can at some point. But he's off the table for today, at least.

Then who do you want to lynch?

Probably seph.

That first post by me is pretty clear on my final stance re: Yates. Then you asked me who I'd vote, which makes me feel like you'd be looking for ideas.

I answer with PROBABLY seph. Not sure why you and Sooh think it is reasonable to FoS me for saying "probably" and not actually placing a vote.

The more you guys try to pass the suspicion onto me, the more it is going to fuel your own lynches.

"Probably" is more along the lines of fence sitting and doesn't look good either.

Is this going to be your theme today? Take small potshots at me to distance from being seen as tied to me and also see if anybody (other than Sooh) else will latch on?

I'm tempted to do something that I've never done before, and actually thunderdome you.

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