A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

[Darthe]

Official Vote Count One:

 

Hally (1/9): Yates

 

Not Voting (18/19):

Hally, Sooh, Alot, Aiel Heart, Dice, Yates, Thane, Talya, Leelou, Krak, Taborline, Andrej, Alannalynn, Seph, Tina, Cass, Pizza

 

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.  Deadline is at 12:15 PM on May 19^th, 2015.

[Leelou]

Really? EP? What a dumb kill. You should feel ashamed of yourself.

 

They really should. 

[Leelou]

[v]Laine[/v]

 

Could switch to any one of my scum reads/leans though. 

[Leelou]

it troubles me that no wolf has been found and killed yet.

 

It just amazes me that they each made town kills. Did scum just ignore my suggestion of offing each other? 

[Gabriel Kross]

It's good to be the King

 

good bye

[Darthe]

One of the hunters returned to camp, a wild Alot caught in his net.  With a great axe he hewed it into only to find that inside it, very alive, was Eternal Phoenix.

 

 

EP replaces Alot!

[Darthe]

Manbat has had to back out and so Cass is now a lone player.  

[Gabriel Kross]

 

I fully expect Pizza to be protected tonight. Either by himself, or by some other means. Will the scum teams be ballsy enough to kill one of his peeks, and prove that he is telling the truth?

That actually doesn't prove anything to be honest look at it this way:

Pizza lies his peeks could be town, but could also be mafia

Pizza tells the truth then they are town

So just because a "confirmed" townie is killed doesn't mean Pizza is cleared

 

Odds are I'm the likely target tonight I've been the only truely confirmed town in this game in the morning Halia and Tina need to be looked at hard. One if not both are likely mafia. Heart is possibly mafia, maybe Talya as well. Still don't trust Leelou and Sooh has been coasting since Yates called her out. so in list format the people you should start hammering down on are as follows:

 

Hallia

Tina

Heart

Talya

Leelou

Sooh

Tabesomething? (added her in because she's posted so little content I don't even know what her name is.

 

Here's a good place to start, I do so like the list that this individual so graciously provided.

 

One of the hunters returned to camp, a wild Alot caught in his net.  With a great axe he hewed it into only to find that inside it, very alive, was Eternal Phoenix.

 

 

EP replaces Alot!

When will people realize they can't kill a Phoenix?

 

On that note [v]Hallia[/v]

[Talya]

 

it troubles me that no wolf has been found and killed yet.

 

It just amazes me that they each made town kills. Did scum just ignore my suggestion of offing each other? 

 

 

Obviously they did.

 

I'm surprised that two died, it's like the scum teams can communicate, because one team knew not to go for EP. I am thinking that maybe both teams went for Zander day 1, it would be 1 reason why there was only one death with the slit throat. The other death was by spider (Ungoliath - Serial Killer/limit shot killer).

 

I'm thinking that AJ could be the spider, apart from he seemed sure there were 4 per team, which then pushes me to him being wolfie. My other interest is Hally and I need to do an ISO on her.

 

I would be interested to hear what Pizza says about his actions last night.

 

Sooh: ISO

 

1. she did a couple of votes unvotes at the start of day 1. Her views of people were:

AJ - Town, seems much the same

Eld - Only played with when scum seems different this time rround

Tress - Relaxed villagey

Tina - Town

Yates - his "tone" is off posts a lot of fluff

 

2. VOTES YATES.

 

3. Stuff with Cory going on - this is null and not relevant

 

4. Agree's with Tress on Dice being less Townish than she thinks he should be

 

then:

 

 

Hey guys! I've been trying to catch up while you've all been running away from me  

 

This is definitely a bigger game than I'm used to. I lean towards believing Yates for now though, so [unvote]

 

I did expect Seph to be much more involved in this game, so he's my biggest lead at the moment for where to find scum.

 

[v]seph[/v]

 

5. Now votes Seph - she said because she played with him a few times before and is more investigative and involved. She didn't say whether town or mafia, until asked and then said town.

 

6. The business with the timing of her check on whether sili was voting or not. I first saw this as making sure it was right prior to ending day, but looking back, why not do it when Yates was on the block. (Not sure how things work in a QT it used to be that only the person with the role could give the instruction on their power - so this makes it a null tell)

 

7. Thinks I'm defending Seph. She doesn't mention abooout the way I have been spelling it, even now I have had to go back and change his name...Seth seems more natural to type, so as a way of distnacing, this is far fetched.

 

8. Wants to know why dice thinks it is bad that she hasn't changed her view of things.

 

9. Agrees with Pizza on those voting Krak.

 

10. Asks for people opnion on Dice

 

11. Votes Dice 20 odd mins before deadline. And then questions to see if no one else going to vote Dice

 

Meh..I don't like any of the trains at the moment.

 

[v]Dice[/v]

 

Seriously? Nobody wants to look at Dice today?

 

 

Fine. If I can't convince you not to kill a villager then 

[unvote]

 

[v]Thane[/v]

 

She didn't like doing this as she thought Verb and Thane town.

 

On the Gladiator, she voted Verb, by which time I believe he had a majority, but there had been no vote count to help anyone.

 

Says her case on dice is built on Meta, still has him as red

 

After doing this (which I did yesterday a part from the last bit) - I'm knocking her down to Orange, there are some things that keep me leaning wolfie way, but not as strong.

 

WB EP 2.0 - The King is back in the building?

[Leelou]

One of the hunters returned to camp, a wild Alot caught in his net.  With a great axe he hewed it into only to find that inside it, very alive, was Eternal Phoenix.

 

 

EP replaces Alot!

 

Ay dios mio

[Gabriel Kross]

Hallia are you sure you don't want to admit being to mafia yet?

[Hallia]

I am sure, now that you mention it!  

 

And I'll go back to

 

Vote: Thane
 

I think I was right here, unless I see something that changes it.

[Talya]

Dice - ISO

 

Thought I would have a look at him,because sooh was trying to push him with only meta as her reason.

 

1. Thinks Seth out of character, Pizza looks town

 

2. Likes Zander's post

 

3. VOTES TINA - for trying to use Cory to get brownie points.

 

Then this

 

 

 

 

Also, I don't recall but did you Town read her right away in that game?

I just did a quick check and I don't think you did. In fact, you agreed with someone about Tina looking suspicious for saying Cory usually reads her well and she would be concerned if he didn't read her Town. Then a few posts later you say she usually reads YOU pretty well. Do you still think this? Does Tina usually read you pretty well?

 

 

No i dont think i did but my recall of it isnt perfect. I usually see Town Tina pretty quick. im not perfect tho  if her activity is kinda spotty i can miss it. 

 

And thats part of the problem i had with her   i thought i was totally on my TownDice meta something she usually sees easily and she was sus of me that game.

 

ok fair enuff. she has a town history of doing it. i still dont like it tho.

 

now you got me wondering about Sooh. And you.

 

The bolded part - this seemed a little bit odd. He thought he was on his town meta, sounds like he is trying to be on his town meta, rather than being town.

 

Locks AJ in as Blue (below)

 

 

The question was for Hallia but I guess she's gone now.

Yes, Yates. I've been rolling the idea around in my head most of the day that he could be scum here. It's a little hard to articulate but I am just getting bad vibes from him. Usually by now I think I would feel reasonably okay about him if he were a villager considering the amount of content he has. The fact that I don't worries me. There's some things he's done that trouble me and I feel like since I am shoring up on some of my villager reads and he is left out of them this is a positive direction for me to move in.

For instance, I wasn't particularly fond of the way he reacted to Sooh voting him earlier. The way he postured around Seph and the EP wagons made me uncomfortable then and still does now in light of EP's soft balling and Seph's later profession. He hedged on his read of Zander saying he liked the post but also leaves himself open to possibly move there later. I also think he went over the top complimenting Tina on her posts and I'm curious as to his focus regarding me and my read of her. He also made a comment towards her early on that basically soft balled a town read on her slot. I haven't really decided how I feel about the entire interaction completely but I could see scum!Yates doing this as a pocketing attempt on a town!Tina

 

You just locked your self in blue.

 

The thing i have noticed,  particularly when i answered him above was that I cant point to anything and say thats typical yates. Aside from the pumpkin thing but that was kinda meh to me actually cause id seen it before.

 

His posts that I responded to can definetly be taken 2 ways and im umming and ahhing which way to go. I shouldnt be doing that with him.

 

I do want to see his response tho before i vote

 

 

 

Comments on Tina's post on him, about Yates claiming Faramir and why didn't people take their votes right off him

 

VOTES SOOH: here

 

 

Oh i missed something in that MQ Tina   the question about Soohs votes   she had like 4 votes iirc and they seemed to pile up quick.

 

 

now im gonna be a hypocrite and 

 

vote:sooh

 

I had a sudden gut reaction yesterday and as said before i was gonna vote sooh but i didnt make DL. Then there was the weirdness of asking about sili. Thats almost TOO obvious. However i do think it may happen if mafia left instructions like "when one of those two are lead wagons end day" and the others were not around at the time.

 

her response of  i wanted to check my mentor and my reads havent changed but have a bit   didnt help.

 

VOTES VERBAL in the Gladiator

 

Answwered some old quotes, but that's it.

 

Not sure about Dice, he is sporodic. If Dice is wolfie, I think Sooh is a vice versa. Both were voting for each other, with not much reason and doing it safely (ie not much change of a lynch).

[Talya]

I did dice yeaterday as well.

 

I am sure, now that you mention it!  

 

And I'll go back to

 

Vote: Thane
 

I think I was right here, unless I see something that changes it.

 

Why are you voting thane?

 

@ Pizza: Please could you let us know, who you went for last night, what actions you used and why you chose the people you did Thank you.

[Leelou]

I am sure, now that you mention it!  

 

And I'll go back to

 

Vote: Thane

 

I think I was right here, unless I see something that changes it.

 

Why?

[Hallia]

Ugh.  Catching up I forgot he was cleared through Pizza. >.<

 

The general lack of any real posting besides sniping.

 

Gonna have to really read through again.

[Gabriel Kross]

I did dice yeaterday as well.

 

I am sure, now that you mention it!  

 

And I'll go back to

 

Vote: Thane

 

I think I was right here, unless I see something that changes it.

 

Why are you voting thane?

 

@ Pizza: Please could you let us know, who you went for last night, what actions you used and why you chose the people you did Thank you.

 

 

 

I am sure, now that you mention it!  

 

And I'll go back to

 

Vote: Thane

 

I think I was right here, unless I see something that changes it.

 

Why?

 

to the first two, because she's mafia and looking to go for anyone who isn't here. Hallia has a tendency to fumble once she's been caught.

 

Ugh.  Catching up I forgot he was cleared through Pizza. >.<

 

The general lack of any real posting besides sniping.

 

Gonna have to really read through again.

and yet you didn't unvote

[Hallia]

I didn't realize I'd played that many games with you EP

 

Are you worried there's going to be a sudden train on him then, that you're so worried I didn't immediately unvote?

[Gabriel Kross]

I didn't realize I'd played that many games with you EP

 

Are you worried there's going to be a sudden train on him then, that you're so worried I didn't immediately unvote?

nope I'm just noting that you say he's been cleared and yet you leave your vote on him, very untown-like thought process

[Talya]

I have just done an ISO on Hallia:

 

- Fluff a the bginning, then she does some large quotes to add that Sili is kicking off, then AP and Sili only the really posting in firrst 10 pages.

 

- Sili sctive regardless of alignment

 

- More quotes with liitle content

 

- VOTES YATES -

 

[v] Yates [/v]

Reading through the multi quotes here I see a backtracking trying to cover himself with snark Yates

 

- UNVOTES after the claim

 

- VOTES Sooh

 

- VOTES Thane

 

- VOTES Verb for the Gladiator

 

then has just voted Thane again

 

most of the posts a snrky comments at people. I see no real reasons for her votes, they seem more to be thrown out there rather than constructed.

 

I'm happy to have her in my Red list.

 

now to go for AJ or Hally

[Talya]

I didn't realize I'd played that many games with you EP

 

Are you worried there's going to be a sudden train on him then, that you're so worried I didn't immediately unvote?

I think you'll find there aren't going to be many people on him at the moment.

[dicetosser1]

Sorry in advance for the massive quote. It's pretty much everything I have said about Dice and Laine's comments on it. 

I had a pretty awesome day out with friends, so I'm just responding to things as I reread the end of day 2 and into the night, gonna see how far I get before I have to sleep... Sorry for the multiquotes in advance, I tried to trim down what I could <3

 

**snip**

 

@Sooh: I'm leaning town on Dice, i haven't seen anything bad from him, but you seem rather convinced that he's scum, the way you keep bringing it back, just wondering if you're seeing something I'm not seeing. I'll go back and ISO just in case.

**snip**

 

It's not that I have seen anything bad. It's more that I haven't seen anything good. I would expect at this point of the game that when he gives his votes or reads he has something else than his gut to base it on. 

 

**snip**

Meh..I don't like any of the trains at the moment.

Vote: Dice

I still don't understand why you jumped on a random person with... 21 minutes left to the day and nobody really following you on that Dice-vote front (except I think maybe Tina? mentioned she was willing to switch over). I think spreading votes at the end of day is a bad idea.

 

**snip**

I would think this post explained why I jumped to a random person. I was not happy with voting neither Thane nor Verbal as I have them both as slight town reads. I was trying to get the town to come with me and vote someone I believe is scum. If you look a little further you'll also see that I did vote on the main trains out of necessity before EOD, but it was not a happy vote.

 

I just.. you could have picked a better candidate to derail the train if that's what you wanted to do? And not seeing much good isn't an excuse to say someone is mafia then get upset when people aren't following your case when you haven't even provided a case against him: I don't really see where you ever built a case against Dice in your posts? He basically makes one comment on how you need to speak to your mentor first about reads, yet your reads haven't changed much. I don't see this as scummy, I see this as questioning an inconsistency. And THEN you say that he "might not be as strong a candidate for scum anyway". So which is it?

 

/snip/

First I wanted to know from Dice why it's such a bad thing that my town reads haven't changed a whole lot. It's like that's the scummiest thing you've ever read.  Really?

/snip/

I still feel like Dice, Seph and Talya are interesting candidates for scum. I'm aware that Seph is for meta reasons, and it's not a strong case really. I need to go back and look more at Dice, because he has been stepping up his game in my opinion, and might not be as strong a candidate for scum anyway... Talya has followed her very own path this game, and might for that reason be very scummy or very villagery. I still feel like she has been defending Seph a lot, and so pending a flip on him I would potentially look at her closer. 

/snip/

 

Next up, you ask for opinions on his playstyle.

/snip

Can you all give me your opinions on Dice?

I think he looks horribly scummy so far this game... 

 

 

 

Mainly the same thing. I have found he has done very little in terms of giving reads, and yes, I felt like his vote on me was off. I just can't seem to shake that he isn't being Town!Dice, which is why I'm reaching out to you who have played with him longer to see if anyone else feel the same way as I do. I find that it's much more compelling to me to go in that direction right now rather than at Thane/Hallia. 

 

Interesting, what's your read on me?

 

You know I <3 you but this is tinfoil Cass... I trust noone when I play and you've said you'll never trust me again so adding in the explanation about 'reaching out' seems strange... Currently I think I'm putting Dice at about the same level as Thane. Scummy to start and now not sure. And I'm still not certain that you're not Scum yourself.

 

Cass, I reached out to EVERYONE... Currently you and your hydra partner are in my null reads because most of all I find it hard to read two players playing the same spot. Fair enough on the tinfoiling. I do that with everyone too, but if enough people independently read Dice as scummy, maybe he really is? Regardless of the two of us and our affiliation.

 

I <3 you too... lol just neutral in mafia

You're just basically saying he's scum because he voted against you once. Yes, I know someone is going to complain about how I'm simplifying this observation, I just want to point out some odd behavior on account of Sooh.

 

Your next mention of Dice is during the Thane/Verbal trains when you're trying to pull people away to vote on Dice. Strangely enough, NOBODY voted Dice day 1 and ONLY YOU voted Dice day 2, so I really don't see how you were attempting to pull votes away from the Thane/Verbal lynch at this point when you hadn't even made a case against him. (For the record, he voted you for your odd behavior about asking about the Sili vote on Yates1.0 lynch and needing to discus with your mentor your reads)

Meh..I don't like any of the trains at the moment.

[v]Dice[/v]

I think Dice only has one vote... mine... 

Seriously? Nobody wants to look at Dice today?

/snip/

Why couldn't you just all not follow me on Dice?

/snip

 

I don't know what you're getting at here, honestly. It feels like you were trying to play the good townie by LOOKING like you were trying to avoid a lynch in a "t/t" situation but not actually putting in the effort to convince anyone otherwise?

 

I think with Dice my case is built mainly on meta, which makes it really hard to explain. I know it's hard for you and anyone who doesn't know him to see it, but I was hoping perhaps the people who have played quite a bit with Dice might have seen it. Seems like Tina did, but unfortunately it was too little too late. 

I was late in that day because of a flat tire, and I was attempting to see what people saw in either of the two trains. I didn't see anything, so I voted somewhere else.

 

I try to trust my gut in this game, and I don't see why that is a bad thing. 

 

A lot of people have said stuff about Dice's posting habits on here. Tina has, Cass has, I believe AJ has but I might be mixing him up with somebody else. 

 

I voted Dice because he is one of my strongest scum reads. I don't like going to easy route and just picking someone I think a bunch of people will vote for. 

 

All right lets hear it. Whats my meta Sooh?  plz note i am asking SOOH this not others.

[dicetosser1]

Dice - ISO

 

Thought I would have a look at him,because sooh was trying to push him with only meta as her reason.

 

1. Thinks Seth out of character, Pizza looks town

 

2. Likes Zander's post

 

3. VOTES TINA - for trying to use Cory to get brownie points.

 

Then this

 

 

 

 

Also, I don't recall but did you Town read her right away in that game?

I just did a quick check and I don't think you did. In fact, you agreed with someone about Tina looking suspicious for saying Cory usually reads her well and she would be concerned if he didn't read her Town. Then a few posts later you say she usually reads YOU pretty well. Do you still think this? Does Tina usually read you pretty well?

 

 

No i dont think i did but my recall of it isnt perfect. I usually see Town Tina pretty quick. im not perfect tho  if her activity is kinda spotty i can miss it. 

 

And thats part of the problem i had with her   i thought i was totally on my TownDice meta something she usually sees easily and she was sus of me that game.

 

ok fair enuff. she has a town history of doing it. i still dont like it tho.

 

now you got me wondering about Sooh. And you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

VOTES VERBAL in the Gladiator

 

Answwered some old quotes, but that's it.

 

Not sure about Dice, he is sporodic. If Dice is wolfie, I think Sooh is a vice versa. Both were voting for each other, with not much reason and doing it safely (ie not much change of a lynch).

 

The bold Talya was me talking to Yates about a previous game and why i had been sus of Tina there

[Talya]

Oh okay...I think that seems to be a problem with ISO's it sometimes misses points.

 

I'm off soon, won't be around much for about 24hr, got a long day tomorrow.

 

Before I go, I'm going to choose [v]Hallia[/v] for the moment. It was a toss up between her and AJ, I didn't like her vote on Yates at the time, and I don't like her vote on Thane now.

[Talya]

On a side note...Seph, has been on her a while and as far as I can tell is checking his other game and other threads, but doesn't go near this one, not a tell...but very annoying as he hasn't been around mouch for a while