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Alanna Spam Master

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I didn't say Hallia is hard to read, Verb. I said I'm having trouble following her - specifically, what she's getting out of my post. Nowhere in my most recent post did I say that she wasn't around at EOD. Yet she seems to think I did say that, and therefore contradicted myself. I have no idea where she'd getting that from, because I never said that.

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Verbal32 Spam Master

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Does anyone know how many times Wombat and Sili have played together? Or, Wombat, if you're around, could you tell me?

Probably 3 times? Maybe more. Why?

 

 

Trying to decide how I feel about his interplay with Sili. I'm just gonna say this, but I have a lot of trouble following and understanding Sili. And I'm not really sure why that is - it's not a tone or a language thing. Sometimes I think it's just me, because he'll seem to be just be all over the place, and sometimes I'll read a post of his and just literally not know what he's saying. But then later he'll be like 'But I've been so clear!' and I just feel like I'm missing something when it comes to him. I'm not saying it's his fault, necessarily, but our brain waves just don't jive, I think. It's something I've really been thinking about when I play with him. I think maybe he's not as transparent about the flow of his thoughts to me, because I think I just often don't see how he gets from one place to the next.

 

Anyway, I'm not trying to rag on Sili, I'm just saying, I have this problem with him. And I would always find him scummy because of it, except that I've now played with him enough times that I realize I can't really trust my gut instinct to find him scummy. (Which basically leaves me feeling like i have no idea how to read him, but that's not really the point here). My point is, I can see how someone like Wombat, who tends to be pretty logical, might have a similar problem with Sili, and his seeming to jump all over the place. I haven't had a chance to reread yet, but from what I remember, that was a lot of Wombat's argument against Sili, that he seemed all over the place. I was reading their exchange at EOD and couldn't figure out if this was scum Wombat pressing an easy lynch target, or if he just genuinely had a problem with Sili's play and found it scummy.

 

So, I was wondering how much experience he had playing with Sili. If he hasn't played with him much, then I can see that maybe he really just found Sili's play, which was kind of typical for him, scummy. If he has more experience with him, then that raises my suspicions. I will admit that i haven't had that strong townie feel about Wombat that I sometimes get from him at the start of a game, but I don't always get that feeling every time he's town. Sometimes it takes until Day 2 or 3 before I start feeling more certain about him.

 

Sorry for the rambling explanation, I am in desperate need of some sleep, so my thoughts aren't really sticking together well atm.

 

As for others on the Sili lynch - I feel okay about Lily's vote. Nolder, it's hard to tell. His voting Sili when Sili refused to work with the town is definitely something he would do, but that would also be a convenient excuse to vote him as mafia. I don't have any experience playing with Cass, but I believe she'd telegraphed iffy feelings about Sili earlier, so her vote doesn't seem too off. Not bob, I have no idea. TBH, I was one of those people who wasn't crazy about his play Day 1, but others who know him better kept saying he was okay, so I didn't say anything. But I wasn't really ever sure about that whole "slip" of Sili's, and if I look at it totally objectively and don't let what others say about him cloud my instinct, then I kind of feel it was a pretty lazy vote.

 

I'm not limiting my suspects to the Sii lynch, though. I'm kind of uncomfortable doing that because I know I myself didn't have a very good reason to vote Sili, and you know, it was Day 1. That happens to a lot of people. It seems likely there was at least one scum on Sili's lynch, but it's also possible there wasn't, either. However, I really need to do a reread of earlier stuff on Day 1, and I'm not sure if I'll have time for that today. Maybe later this evening, if not, tomorrow.

 

I'm definitely suspecting Hallia. (The world has returned to normal, I guess?) I think I outlined it earlier, but I just don't get her play at EOD. She claims she was pretty much online the last 2 or 3 hours leading up to the lynch. I checked back, and the last time she posted (before she turned up about 10 minutes before the deadline) was about an hour and a half before deadline - she posted a couple of times then, and was only posting about her vote on dice, and dice voting her. So I don't get her turning up so close to deadline and being so against the Sili lynch and trying to stop it when there obviously is no time. I don't get sitting back and watching that last couple of hours and not saying anything to try and stop Sili's lynch, or trying to ask others if we can consolidate elsewhere.

 

She votes for dice a few hours before deadline - okay, fine. He was her top scum suspect, and maybe she's thinking others will follow her vote. But I just think at some point you realize this isn't going to happen - and no, not so late as ten minutes before deadline - and start asking if others who are online are willing to lynch elsewhere. You know? The only townie explanation I can put together on her behavior is that she really thought others would follow her onto dice, even though pretty much no one else was talking about lynching him, and she wasn't pushing him as a candidate at others, either.

 

Anyway. Those are my kind of scattered thoughts. I need a nap and then I have to get some errands done, but hopefully I'll be in and out here. Just FYI, Easter is kind of a huge deal in my household, and we have a lot of church and family stuff to do, starting this evening and going on through Monday, so I may not be here too much over the next three days. But I do really want to get to that reread, so I will try.

 

 

Re: Sili - same as what I'm saying about Hallia.  I was townreading Sili, and even got called out on how I could be doing that, which I explained.  I'm suspicious of people that use easy targets for suspicion (Sili, Hallia, Thane as examples) to wonder out loud on how they read them.  Doesn't look right to me.

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I probably tunneled Sili too much.  I'm going to have to reassess some things.  At the time, I saw no reason to move my vote from a guy who was my #1 from very near the beginning.  And I don't always play as fast and loose with my vote as you seem to think.  I will admit that not moving my vote at all is abnormal for me, but it's pretty abnormal for me as scum as well as town, so I don't see how it's a scumtell in your eyes.

 

I also think this is false.  Your vote is much more sluggish in movement when you're scum.  Why?  Because you're not really scumhunting when you're scum.  You go through the motions, sure, and you say the same things - this is what makes you good.  But the difference is your vote.  You move it around all the time as town.  And you never explain why at the time of the vote, which is your trademark.  You're not doing ANY of that here, and now you're trying to sell this being abnormal for any alignment when it is not --- it is abnormal for a town-Wombat, not a scum-Wombat.

 

 

 

Of course I do it as scum.  It's a great way of rolefishing and finding easy lynches.  And I play plenty of games where I make no unexplained votes at all.  Once people got too used to it, it grew less effective.

WWWwombat Spam Master

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10/10 would vote Wombat

 

 

 

What a wonderful x-post wombat.

 

I can't swear, so it's tempered a little, but I am immensely frustrated. And you can certainly understand why I think it's silly to be voted for information.

 

What kind of information will you even get out of this? Nothing, certainly, that you wouldn't have known otherwise.

 

 

 

And wombat, you just slipped.

 

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[v]wombat[/v]

 

You called me frustrated in our first interaction. You said it was scummy. Now you're here telling me you expect me to be frustrated. This isn't real thought progression.

 

You can die after I do, or better yet, maybe you can die before if enough people are around.

 

This is also accurate.  Very early on, Wombat used Sili's frustration as a scumtell, and now he's expecting him to be frustrated/mad as a townie (when Sili was being apathetic).

 

Very contradictory, and coupled with my above quote on his behavior, I'm down with this.

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

 

 

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[v] wombat [/v]

 

This looks so terrible on you, Hally.

 

 

How about ignore that part and respond to what I'm saying?

 

 

I already responded to it when Sili said it.  Go read the thread.

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@Wombat:

gun to the head i'd vote Nolder off of gut feeling, but there's nothing to base the vote on, so there's that

Thoughts?
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Verbal32 Spam Master

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I didn't say Hallia is hard to read, Verb. I said I'm having trouble following her - specifically, what she's getting out of my post. Nowhere in my most recent post did I say that she wasn't around at EOD. Yet she seems to think I did say that, and therefore contradicted myself. I have no idea where she'd getting that from, because I never said that.

 

Meh, that is getting close to semantics.  I guess I'm just not seeing where Hallia is hard to follow right now.  I felt the same way about Sili.

Alanna Spam Master

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Ninja'd.

 

Alanna - you said I " turned up right before the deadline". - but you also say that I had posted before the deadline.

 

Let me clarify. You did post before the deadline. You voted dice at some point, right? I don't remember exactly when that was, but I'm thinking it was a few hours before. Then - the last time you posted before ten minutes before deadline, it was about an hour and a half before deadline. You said something about your vote not being OMGUS, or his vote not being OMGUS, or something. 

 

Then - on thread - you disappeared until about ten minutes before the deadline. When I say you disappeared, I mean you didn't post at all. I don't mean you weren't checking in on the game. I'm assuming you were because you said you were, when I asked you were you'd been. Does that make sense? 

 

So when I say you "turned up" right before deadline, I mean you turned up on thread, and posted. But you said previously that you were online during all that time. 

 

Does that make sense? Is this making sense to anybody?

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@Verb and Hally - Can you bold the parts that you took exception to or are looking at as suspicious? I'm just not seeing it:

I'm definitely suspecting Hallia. (The world has returned to normal, I guess?) I think I outlined it earlier, but I just don't get her play at EOD. She claims she was pretty much online the last 2 or 3 hours leading up to the lynch. I checked back, and the last time she posted (before she turned up about 10 minutes before the deadline) was about an hour and a half before deadline - she posted a couple of times then, and was only posting about her vote on dice, and dice voting her. So I don't get her turning up so close to deadline and being so against the Sili lynch and trying to stop it when there obviously is no time. I don't get sitting back and watching that last couple of hours and not saying anything to try and stop Sili's lynch, or trying to ask others if we can consolidate elsewhere.

 

She votes for dice a few hours before deadline - okay, fine. He was her top scum suspect, and maybe she's thinking others will follow her vote. But I just think at some point you realize this isn't going to happen - and no, not so late as ten minutes before deadline - and start asking if others who are online are willing to lynch elsewhere. You know? The only townie explanation I can put together on her behavior is that she really thought others would follow her onto dice, even though pretty much no one else was talking about lynching him, and she wasn't pushing him as a candidate at others, either.

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Does that make sense? Is this making sense to anybody?

I was never confused by you. I'm confused by the confusion.
Alanna Spam Master

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Re: Sili - same as what I'm saying about Hallia.  I was townreading Sili, and even got called out on how I could be doing that, which I explained.  I'm suspicious of people that use easy targets for suspicion (Sili, Hallia, Thane as examples) to wonder out loud on how they read them.  Doesn't look right to me.

 

 

I get what you're saying, Verb. I can't speak for anyone else, but that's not why I'm suspecting Hallia. My suspecting her has nothing to do with her being hard or easy to read/follow. I think we meant two different things there. I'm suspecting Hallia very specifically for her behavior at EOD, which I've already outlined in detail a couple times now.

 

Hallia seemed to think I'd contradicted myself in my post and said she was having a hard time following me. So I responded by saying I was having a hard time following her - referring specifically to why she thought I'd contradicted myself.

Yates Master

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Yates, thoughts on dingbat?

Can I keep them to myself until he responds to my question wrt Nolder?
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I probably tunneled Sili too much.  I'm going to have to reassess some things.  At the time, I saw no reason to move my vote from a guy who was my #1 from very near the beginning.  And I don't always play as fast and loose with my vote as you seem to think.  I will admit that not moving my vote at all is abnormal for me, but it's pretty abnormal for me as scum as well as town, so I don't see how it's a scumtell in your eyes.

 

I also think this is false.  Your vote is much more sluggish in movement when you're scum.  Why?  Because you're not really scumhunting when you're scum.  You go through the motions, sure, and you say the same things - this is what makes you good.  But the difference is your vote.  You move it around all the time as town.  And you never explain why at the time of the vote, which is your trademark.  You're not doing ANY of that here, and now you're trying to sell this being abnormal for any alignment when it is not --- it is abnormal for a town-Wombat, not a scum-Wombat.

 

 

 

Of course I do it as scum.  It's a great way of rolefishing and finding easy lynches.  And I play plenty of games where I make no unexplained votes at all.  Once people got too used to it, it grew less effective.

 

 

No, you typically are a bit more cautious as scum. What are your reads as of right now? 

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Does that make sense? Is this making sense to anybody?

I was never confused by you. I'm confused by the confusion.

 

 

That's a relief. I don't usually have so much trouble making myself understood, but it seems to be happening to me a lot this game.

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I already responded to it when Sili said it. Go read the thread.

I think it is pretty obvious that I have been reading the thread.  But ok, I'll bite.  I pulled the relevant quotes for you:

 

 

 

 

Wombat just said I should be upset.

 

Earlier he said my frustration at being voted was scummy.

 

Wombat clearly knows that it's natural for me to be upset, but he used that sort of reaction to further his scum read of me earlier today.

 

Guys, wombat is scum. :/

 

Where did I use that and why does it matter?  Earlier today was not EoD.

 

 

This was your first response to Sili, and (to me) the most important.....as the next one came after it was clear SIli wasn't buying this response.  If I'm a townie, I'm not going to dignify responding more than once.....but you decided to respond again in an entirely different way.

 

 

 

 

Finally, your frustration and demands for people to "case" you are giving me a "caught for the wrong reasons" vibe rather than an "OMG I'M OBVTOWN" vibe.

 

You mean this?  I was talking about the difference between scum frustration and town frustration.  Both are frustration.

 

 

Had this been what you said the first time, I think I may have been more inclined to accept it.  You're trying to split hairs.  You said Sili's frustration was scummy.  Hard stop.  Then you said you expected him to be mad (basically the same as frustration).  That is a contradiction.  This really makes me think you fired from the hip in your initial response....realized it was a crap response, and then thought more about how to brush it off and came up with this.

 

How am I doing so far?

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@Wombat:

gun to the head i'd vote Nolder off of gut feeling, but there's nothing to base the vote on, so there's that

Thoughts?

 

 

It's possible.  I haven't ISO'd Thane yet though to see what else he said.  Nolder appears null to me atm.

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It's possible.  I haven't ISO'd Thane yet though to see what else he said.  Nolder appears null to me atm.

He "doc-slipped." That's about it.
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No, you typically are a bit more cautious as scum. What are your reads as of right now? 

 

Hally scum

Verb scum lean

You town lean

Cass town lean

NotBob town lean

Yates town lean

Dice town

 

Everyone else null

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