Warehouse 13 Mafia- Mafia Wins!

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Verb lol

 

I'm fairly active, and the last thing I wanna hear is "I want to hear more"

 

 

I want to hear more.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

I gave forum mafia another go. It's not my cup of tea. Kaylee is looking for someone to replace me. I just wanted you guys to know.

 

Off we go to the wild blue yonder!

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Ok. Finally caught up on notes/summarising. Current (to page 28) impressions list as promised. If something sticks out as sketchy/you want further explanation let me know. Order is least to most suspicion. 

 

 

 

Dice -  Still willing to go out on a limb here (for now) and say mostly Town to me. Accusatory tone and aggressive action (meta-suggestive of Town). Some inconsistencies (realistically null). Potential to be scum buddying with white-knighting me (but equally null since he knows me best and everything he said in regards to me was true).

 

Lily - Tone and posts are clean. Agree with almost everything she says so far. 

 

Leelou  - Raises valid (mostly alignment-neutral points). Tone null. 

 

Verbal - Logical points (null). Tone a mix of jokey and serious. Still no idea how to read this guy.

Can everyone please keep him around for at least a few days unless something drastic changes???

 

 

Wombat - Tone mixed (?null). Makes valid points, pushes play forward. Logic in more serious/explanatory posts is easy to follow/tone in those posts seems good (null).

 

Sooh (mentored by Nyn) - At this point, four posts since beginning of game. Tone so far relaxed/confident (?null).

 

Alanna - Statements made are mostly null/equally applied to Scum or Town. Direct logic sound (null). Confused by some explanations. No idea how to read her tone.

 

Dawn/Mrs. Clov - waiting on replacement.

 

Not Bob - No discernible game motives/opinions. Tone neutral but...?smug? (Scummy, especially with questions). Can't tell if this is clever Town enjoyment, or deliberately closed-down scum (realistically null).

 

Thane - Mostly friendly and jokey like usual (null). Some more serious comments (without play/emotion where I would probably have expected some based on meta ?potentially scummy). Occasional word slips/contradictory comments (potential for scum). Possible over-corrective bias following the Arthurian game, where I finally started thinking I could pick when he was Town (and he was Scum).

 

Yates - Tone and attitude (as usual) mostly scum. No idea on the actual alignment of his strategic play. 

 

Pral - Didn't like initial tone (potentially null/scum). Playing along with Yates claim (so far null).

 

Hallia - More active and investigative than I've ever seen her (?null). Tone sounds aloof/pushy (?null/scum?). 

 

Eldrick - Don't follow or trust his logic or justifications for his actions/suggestions (scummy, based on gut). Not sure if this is realistically alignment indicative yet, or just the way he really thinks. Find him more confusing in general than I initially found Sili (as a player). Potential associative bias to read him scum (read him the same way whilst following the Arthurian game).

 

Sili - Convoluted thinking and occasional contradictions (still confusing but about the same as every game). Voting and vote rationale is weird/inconsistent. Some content/hinting is weird (?scum motivated). Tone seems to have changed since previous games (?scum). 

 

If this is without Darthe's input...then welcome to the thunderdome...ignore all future Darthe commentary and play your own game...you're a natural.

[Sili Quirrels]

There is such a thing as abstract hypotheticals. They're made to express an argument or impress an idea, what would or could be, without getting into the nitty gritty of what is.

 

What you're refering to, not bob, is clearly of that variety and is in no way a slip of any kind, not least because I can't make a slip because I'm not scum, but also because your interpratation of it is absurd. It frankly reeks of kneejerk.

 

Have you read the thread yet? If you're going to vote me I expect you to come up with a case.

[Sili Quirrels]

It seems you are.

 

Then you can bloody well build a case.

[WWWwombat]

Town reads in general are pretty safe early on, Sili.  The only time a town read isn't safe is if the person is really scummy.  But at the time you made your read on Pral, there was no way to see him as really scummy (unless you dislike early claims, but I find that more dumb than scummy usually).

 

Speaking of Pral, I still don't like how you kept pushing for him to hard claim.  I don't see any reason for a smart townie to do that atm.

 

As for you saying you haven't nudged Yates, that is crap.  You are continuing to express suspicion of him even after it has become rather obvious that he's not going to be lynched this phase.  Pushing on someone you aren't going to lynch is a nudge.

 

As for asking about your reads, I'm pretty sure I asked you to explain your read on Eldrick, and ultimately it doesn't really matter that much because if one of your reads clashes enough with one of mine, that sends up red flags regardless.

 

I don't play the "scum wouldn't do this" game.

 

Finally, your frustration and demands for people to "case" you are giving me a "caught for the wrong reasons" vibe rather than an "OMG I'M OBVTOWN" vibe.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Are there any pressing issues or should I spend my time catching up?

 

vote sili

vote dawn

look at elle

[Sili Quirrels]

Town reads in general are pretty safe early on, Sili.  The only time a town read isn't safe is if the person is really scummy.  But at the time you made your read on Pral, there was no way to see him as really scummy (unless you dislike early claims, but I find that more dumb than scummy usually).

 

Speaking of Pral, I still don't like how you kept pushing for him to hard claim.  I don't see any reason for a smart townie to do that atm.

 

As for you saying you haven't nudged Yates, that is crap.  You are continuing to express suspicion of him even after it has become rather obvious that he's not going to be lynched this phase.  Pushing on someone you aren't going to lynch is a nudge.

 

As for asking about your reads, I'm pretty sure I asked you to explain your read on Eldrick, and ultimately it doesn't really matter that much because if one of your reads clashes enough with one of mine, that sends up red flags regardless.

 

I don't play the "scum wouldn't do this" game.

 

Finally, your frustration and demands for people to "case" you are giving me a "caught for the wrong reasons" vibe rather than an "OMG I'M OBVTOWN" vibe.

Town reads in general are pretty safe early on, Sili.  The only time a town read isn't safe is if the person is really scummy.  But at the time you made your read on Pral, there was no way to see him as really scummy (unless you dislike early claims, but I find that more dumb than scummy usually).

 

Speaking of Pral, I still don't like how you kept pushing for him to hard claim.  I don't see any reason for a smart townie to do that atm.

 

As for you saying you haven't nudged Yates, that is crap.  You are continuing to express suspicion of him even after it has become rather obvious that he's not going to be lynched this phase.  Pushing on someone you aren't going to lynch is a nudge.

 

As for asking about your reads, I'm pretty sure I asked you to explain your read on Eldrick, and ultimately it doesn't really matter that much because if one of your reads clashes enough with one of mine, that sends up red flags regardless.

 

I don't play the "scum wouldn't do this" game.

 

Finally, your frustration and demands for people to "case" you are giving me a "caught for the wrong reasons" vibe rather than an "OMG I'M OBVTOWN" vibe.

By your description it sounds as if anyone who doesn't have more than 1 or 2 scum they want to lynch has a 'safe' list and is therefore scum.

 

Let's talk about hallia. Hallia and Leelou. Both of them have expressed ongoing doubt bout yates' claim, and you've gone at neither to my recollection.

 

You come at me though because I'm nudging yates? Well I haven't exactly nudged him. For the greater part of the thread I have expressed grave doubt about his claim and his allignment and actively pushed for a wagon, and after I saw what I was missing? What I've done isn't nudging, it's epressing healthy skepticism. If you believe it's solidly the former, however, then I encourage you to point out where.

 

As to requiring those who are voting me and have been voting me for 1 to 3 REAL LIFE DAYS, then yes, I'm afraid it was absolutely essential because without either of you building a case on me there is nothing to hold you to and there is nothing I can respond with. You aren't trying to find scum if you don't build a case. What you're looking to do is secure a mislynch.

 

I don't care about coming across as obvtown or whatever. I am frustrated with not bob for taking something out of context and misconstruing it as a slip SOMEHOW, when anyone rational would realize it isn't.

 

Have I pushed Pralaya to claim above and beyond what is required of him if his masons' partner has claimed? No. I have not.

[Sili Quirrels]

This is horseshat, no offense.

 

Your argument is riddled with holes, and you're voting me with a person that thinks an abstract rhetorical question is a slip.

[Eldrick4221]

I'm not getting the bad tone from Hallia that some other people are. I'm actually feeling much more townie about her than I usually am, and would definitely prefer to keep her around. My personal view of her is that she is likely to being appearing more scummy later in the game anyway (if she is scum, I mean). It was clear to me from the start that she was not saying that she specifically suspects Pral of being a goon, but rather that he could be one - just like anyone else could be.

 

Not liking Eldrick for his reasoning of dropping the Yates lynch - if it had been because he realized it was a bad idea, well, +1. I get that some people had to think that through. But that it was because no one else was going for it, well, that just looks really bad. Also didn't like his talk about triggers - not (just) because it was a distraction, but more specifically what he said. He never explained why he thought the timing of my post during N0 made me town, which I don't get at all. I also don't like his reasoning that Yates and Pral not posting might have triggered them as being scumsters together. I doubt Kaylee would make it that easy to link two teammates together, and it read as his trying to justify voting a claimed mason.

At the time, I thought it was a good idea. I did drop it because I wasn't getting support.

 

As for why I think you're town. I forgot to touch base when it was recent. Then the whole fiasco about me bringing up triggers in the first place, I left it alone. But, since you bring it back up, here's my reasoning. IMO, if Yates and Pral's trigger was to be the two that didn't post, yours was simply the last to post. If I was making the game, I wouldn't give anything special to doing that.

[Eldrick4221]

Also, my input.

 

Cop. Sili, to confirm town feels.

Vig. Holster day 1

[Sili Quirrels]

Finished my phisics exam :D

 

I doubt there are both masons and a cop honestly.

[Sili Quirrels]

At least i hqvent ever seen one at the same time as masons in a small game like this.

[WWWwombat]

By your description it sounds as if anyone who doesn't have more than 1 or 2 scum they want to lynch has a 'safe' list and is therefore scum.

 

Let's talk about hallia. Hallia and Leelou. Both of them have expressed ongoing doubt bout yates' claim, and you've gone at neither to my recollection.

 

You come at me though because I'm nudging yates? Well I haven't exactly nudged him. For the greater part of the thread I have expressed grave doubt about his claim and his allignment and actively pushed for a wagon, and after I saw what I was missing? What I've done isn't nudging, it's epressing healthy skepticism. If you believe it's solidly the former, however, then I encourage you to point out where.

 

As to requiring those who are voting me and have been voting me for 1 to 3 REAL LIFE DAYS, then yes, I'm afraid it was absolutely essential because without either of you building a case on me there is nothing to hold you to and there is nothing I can respond with. You aren't trying to find scum if you don't build a case. What you're looking to do is secure a mislynch.

 

I don't care about coming across as obvtown or whatever. I am frustrated with not bob for taking something out of context and misconstruing it as a slip SOMEHOW, when anyone rational would realize it isn't.

 

Have I pushed Pralaya to claim above and beyond what is required of him if his masons' partner has claimed? No. I have not.

 

 

As I said earlier in the game, I don't see skepticism with respect to Yates as being scummy.  What I do find scummy, or at least anti-town, is trying to lynch or nudge him.  At the time, you agreed with me.  And yet you kept going after Yates.

 

And yes, I do think you have pushed Pral to claim above and beyond what is required.  And that's pretty sketchy because right now it is much more critical for the mafia to figure out if Pral and Yates are being 100% truthful than it is for the town.

[WWWwombat]

As for why I think you're town. I forgot to touch base when it was recent. Then the whole fiasco about me bringing up triggers in the first place, I left it alone. But, since you bring it back up, here's my reasoning. IMO, if Yates and Pral's trigger was to be the two that didn't post, yours was simply the last to post. If I was making the game, I wouldn't give anything special to doing that.

 

At the time, I thought it was a good idea. I did drop it because I wasn't getting support.

 

This bothers me.  There is a lot to be said for not pursuing something that isn't going to happen, but I find it hard to see how a townie could have thought it was a good idea to lynch Yates on D1.  Do you still think it's a good idea or have you just given it up because it's not happening and you were taking heat for it?

[Yates]

I doubt there are both masons and a cop honestly.

Probably masons and a tracker. There's still going to be some type of investigative role. What's your point?

[Yates]

Also - "nudge." I guess I should start counting your nudges too?

[WWWwombat]

This whole argument is kinda meh.  Only thing I'm reading into the claim itself atm is that Pral and Yates are unlikely to be w/w.  As far as I'm concerned, it's not scummy to not be clearing you guys, but it would be scummy to go after you and it's borderline anti-town to belabor this much more.  That being said, I definitely see where Yates is coming from on Hallia.  Her tone reads more like she is worried about townies clearing themselves than she is about townies clearing scum.  Thane and Alanna both look fine to me on this.  I think we've just about plumbed this well.

 

 

 

This whole argument is kinda meh.  Only thing I'm reading into the claim itself atm is that Pral and Yates are unlikely to be w/w.  As far as I'm concerned, it's not scummy to not be clearing you guys, but it would be scummy to go after you and it's borderline anti-town to belabor this much more.  That being said, I definitely see where Yates is coming from on Hallia.  Her tone reads more like she is worried about townies clearing themselves than she is about townies clearing scum.  Thane and Alanna both look fine to me on this.  I think we've just about plumbed this well.

I haven't seen the blue-bold, but I acknowledge the possibility.

 

I agree with the red-bold completely, and reading pages 14 through 16, the argument touches me wrong. We shouldn't be discussing stuff like this.

 

 

Hears you agreeing emphatically with me on the mason discussion, Sili.

[WWWwombat]

*Here's

[Nolder]

 

Are there any pressing issues or should I spend my time catching up?

 

vote sili

vote dawn

look at elle

 

I'm going to catch up now.

 

Didn't I replace Dawn?

[Nolder]

omg thank you for putting a link to skip N0

 

If I'd read 12 pages of nothing my head would have exploded

[WWWwombat]

Also, Hallia is my number two suspect and I put moderate pressure on her earlier, so your recollection is not correct on that point.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

By your description it sounds as if anyone who doesn't have more than 1 or 2 scum they want to lynch has a 'safe' list and is therefore scum.

 

Let's talk about hallia. Hallia and Leelou. Both of them have expressed ongoing doubt bout yates' claim, and you've gone at neither to my recollection.

 

You come at me though because I'm nudging yates? Well I haven't exactly nudged him. For the greater part of the thread I have expressed grave doubt about his claim and his allignment and actively pushed for a wagon, and after I saw what I was missing? What I've done isn't nudging, it's epressing healthy skepticism. If you believe it's solidly the former, however, then I encourage you to point out where.

 

As to requiring those who are voting me and have been voting me for 1 to 3 REAL LIFE DAYS, then yes, I'm afraid it was absolutely essential because without either of you building a case on me there is nothing to hold you to and there is nothing I can respond with. You aren't trying to find scum if you don't build a case. What you're looking to do is secure a mislynch.

 

I don't care about coming across as obvtown or whatever. I am frustrated with not bob for taking something out of context and misconstruing it as a slip SOMEHOW, when anyone rational would realize it isn't.

 

Have I pushed Pralaya to claim above and beyond what is required of him if his masons' partner has claimed? No. I have not.

 

 

As I said earlier in the game, I don't see skepticism with respect to Yates as being scummy.  What I do find scummy, or at least anti-town, is trying to lynch or nudge him.  At the time, you agreed with me.  And yet you kept going after Yates.

 

And yes, I do think you have pushed Pral to claim above and beyond what is required.  And that's pretty sketchy because right now it is much more critical for the mafia to figure out if Pral and Yates are being 100% truthful than it is for the town.

 

If I recall the right context, I think I'm agreeing that Yates is fake-claiming, and there's no need to beat a dead horse.

 

My point wombat, is I'm not nudging him. I have no idea what you're referring to unless it's expressing skepticism, which I think is ultimately healthy. I don't have to accept his claim just because he says so. That's an irrational expectation.

 

I disagree. I want to know if Yates is lying if he's lying, you get me? I don't care if you think questioning the bloody claim is anti-town, I really don't. I will question it, and I will encourage pralaya to speak up if Yates is lying because I think lying in this way is actually really bad. It's pretty simple stuff.

 

Town pursues truth.

 

 

 

How is that bad? I want 2 confirmed townies if there are 2 confirmed townies. If there aren't two confirmed townies, then I really

[WWWwombat]

And Leelou hasn't posted enough for me to get a read yet.  So far she's null.  Thane and Alanna also expressed skepticism about Yates but sorta left it at that so they were ok there imo.  You and Hallia weren't.  Thane is null and Alanna is a slight town lean.

[Sili Quirrels]

Also - "nudge." I guess I should start counting your nudges too?

If by nudge you mean not clearing you, and/or expressing some modicum of doubt? Then yes, go ahead, but excuse me if I don't take it too seriously. I won't be browbeaten for expressing skepticism Yates.