[Advanced] Arthurian Mafia

[Andrej]

The point centralizes around her only thinking in regards to herself in that situation.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Zasha's meaning was she hadn't posted enough content for anyone to read her well. Like, I don't know about scum equity, but zasha is reading as hot-headed here.

 

 

That's why I gave her options.  She chose NOT to take the option that applied specifically to herself.

I see it, but I feel like this conversation results in a mislynch some amount of the time. Good, you trapped her, but what have we found out? Zasha wasn't grounded in the thread.

 

But we already knew Zasha wasn't grounded in the thread. Does this really mean she's scum?

 

Her response to pressure was to overgeneralize and post memes and yell back. Do you think this increases her scum equity, or does it sound genuine?

 

These questions I'm posing to you are the same ones I'm asking myself.

[Clovdyx]

FWIW, I agree with AJ here, Nyn.  I didn't really get any implication that she'd be okay with "bad feelings".  You specifically stated you didn't have any good feelings, and she said she would be concerned if you did.  You never said you specifically had bad feelings, and her replies never really mentioned that angle.

[MrsClov]

 

 

@Clov

 

Wouldn't thinking someone is scum more or less be the precursor to suspecting them put that way?

 

I really don't see the difference or the necessity of trying to make one. If you think someone is scum then you suspect them in my book.

 

Yes.  Thinking someone IS scum is the same as suspecting to me.  Thinking someone MIGHT be scum is not.  

 

It seemed there was a difference from the hypothetical Nyn stance, and this.

 

That I think you all might be scum?

 

 

While I don't think that Zashara had the best responses, I kind of feel like you're treading on just arguing the symantics of how things are worded vs their intent.  

[MrsClov]

 

 

 

@Clov

 

Wouldn't thinking someone is scum more or less be the precursor to suspecting them put that way?

 

I really don't see the difference or the necessity of trying to make one. If you think someone is scum then you suspect them in my book.

 

Yes.  Thinking someone IS scum is the same as suspecting to me.  Thinking someone MIGHT be scum is not.  

 

It seemed there was a difference from the hypothetical Nyn stance, and this.

 

That I think you all might be scum?

 

 

While I don't think that Zashara had the best responses, I kind of feel like you're treading on just arguing the symantics of how things are worded vs their intent.  

 

 

 semantics... My brain died -_-

[Nynaeve]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zasha's meaning was she hadn't posted enough content for anyone to read her well.

That's what I got out of it.

 
Kinda weird to me because apparently it's okay to have bad feelz about her but if I was having good feelz that would have been weird? Either she has enough content for a read or she doesn't. For better or worse.

I really doubt that was the expressed intent of her statement.

 
You just agreed with Sili's interpretation that she didn't think she had enough content for anyone to read her well, correct?   In which case I don't follow why you doubt it.

The way you are applying her statement is different than I think how she intended it. She doesn't control what you may or may not find suspicious. However if she believes she hasn't done anything to warrant a town lean then it would be acceptable to be wary of that person giving it when you take into account her personal information and opinion on her participation thus far.

 

 

I don't really agree with you but I don't wanna keep circling the wagon so we'll agree to disagree.

[Verbal32]

I love lamp.

[Andrej]

That sounds like semantics Clov.

 

Thinking someone is scum and thinking someone might be scum really isn't that different.

 

I would still file them both under "suspicion"

[Nynaeve]

I think it's curious that out of the people discussing this right now, Zash seems to be the least invested in the conversation.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

Zasha's meaning was she hadn't posted enough content for anyone to read her well. Like, I don't know about scum equity, but zasha is reading as hot-headed here.

 

That's why I gave her options.  She chose NOT to take the option that applied specifically to herself.

I see it, but I feel like this conversation results in a mislynch some amount of the time. Good, you trapped her, but what have we found out? Zasha wasn't grounded in the thread.

 

But we already knew Zasha wasn't grounded in the thread. Does this really mean she's scum?

 

Her response to pressure was to overgeneralize and post memes and yell back. Do you think this increases her scum equity, or does it sound genuine?

 

These questions I'm posing to you are the same ones I'm asking myself.

 

 

I found out a few things.

 

1) She's willing to respond to early pressure on her, rather than dipping out of the thread or playing it off as a joke.

2) Her "labeling system" (don't know a better way to refer to it) is different than mine, and I found out what she equates to what.

3) She shows some interest in understanding where people are coming from when they have different POV's.

 

For a player I have no experience with, that's going to do a lot for judging her mindset later in the game.

[Andrej]

Damn, super surge of replies there.

[Zashara]

 

 

Does that make sense?  I feel like I'm making sense, but I also know what I'm getting at.  

 

Basically, there's a difference between thinking somebody might be scum and actually suspecting them of it.  So I'm trying to figure out how you actually feel about people with early town reads, and more importantly, if you're actually treating people the way your statement suggests you would.

 

Okay that makes a bit more sense now. I don't really make a distinction between the two. So yes, when people have early town reads, I do mark them as suspicious. It comes off as trying to buddy up to someone that you know is innocent so that if they're lynched you can say "oh yeah, I totally said that person was innocent and didn't want to lynch them". 

 

Okay, so by this logic when is it acceptable, in your opinion, to have town reads? 

 

 

 

Personally, I usually only start after the first night phase, since I don't like relying on meta to read a person. I prefer hard data, but I'm a scientist and don't trust people's "feelings" in general, as they are not necessarily genuine. 

[Clovdyx]

That sounds like semantics Clov.

 

Thinking someone is scum and thinking someone might be scum really isn't that different.

 

I would still file them both under "suspicion"

 

Yes, but I don't think that means it's worthless.  You can get a lot out use if you understand how other players approach the game.

[Verbal32]

 

 

 

Zasha's meaning was she hadn't posted enough content for anyone to read her well. Like, I don't know about scum equity, but zasha is reading as hot-headed here.

 

That's why I gave her options.  She chose NOT to take the option that applied specifically to herself.

I see it, but I feel like this conversation results in a mislynch some amount of the time. Good, you trapped her, but what have we found out? Zasha wasn't grounded in the thread.

 

But we already knew Zasha wasn't grounded in the thread. Does this really mean she's scum?

 

Her response to pressure was to overgeneralize and post memes and yell back. Do you think this increases her scum equity, or does it sound genuine?

 

These questions I'm posing to you are the same ones I'm asking myself.

 

 

I found out a few things.

 

1) She's willing to respond to early pressure on her, rather than dipping out of the thread or playing it off as a joke.

2) Her "labeling system" (don't know a better way to refer to it) is different than mine, and I found out what she equates to what.

3) She shows some interest in understanding where people are coming from when they have different POV's.

 

For a player I have no experience with, that's going to do a lot for judging her mindset later in the game.

 

 

I have no idea where you're getting this from.  I don't see that anywhere in her posts.

[MrsClov]

 

 

 

Does that make sense?  I feel like I'm making sense, but I also know what I'm getting at.  

 

Basically, there's a difference between thinking somebody might be scum and actually suspecting them of it.  So I'm trying to figure out how you actually feel about people with early town reads, and more importantly, if you're actually treating people the way your statement suggests you would.

 

Okay that makes a bit more sense now. I don't really make a distinction between the two. So yes, when people have early town reads, I do mark them as suspicious. It comes off as trying to buddy up to someone that you know is innocent so that if they're lynched you can say "oh yeah, I totally said that person was innocent and didn't want to lynch them". 

 

Okay, so by this logic when is it acceptable, in your opinion, to have town reads? 

 

 

 

Personally, I usually only start after the first night phase, since I don't like relying on meta to read a person. I prefer hard data, but I'm a scientist and don't trust people's "feelings" in general, as they are not necessarily genuine. 

 

 

That's fair. I appreciate the scientific approach to it. 

[Zashara]

I think it's curious that out of the people discussing this right now, Zash seems to be the least invested in the conversation.

 

More invested in eating lunch atm.

[Andrej]

It is lunch time!

 

@Boobs - Agreed to disagree then.

[Andrej]

I think it's curious that out of the people discussing this right now, Zash seems to be the least invested in the conversation.

This is a fair statement and I don't blame you for making it.

[Zashara]

Also, what does being "grounded in the thread" mean? I've never heard that term before.

[Andrej]

[v]Clov[/v]

 

U scum br0?

[Leelou]

I'm reading this discussion tonight, if I get home at a decent time. It's interesting.

 

#MBTAsucks #Bostonproblems

[Clovdyx]

[v]Clov[/v]

 

U scum br0?

 

What does the flowchart say?

 

 

 

 

No.

 

 

 

[Clovdyx]

@NounandPronounal

 

 

 

 

 

That I think you all might be scum?

 

That you think we all ARE (probably) scum.  Anybody MIGHT be.  

 

But you didn't say you would consider Nyn COULD be scum; you said you would suspect her of BEING scum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But you didn't say you would consider Nyn COULD be scum; you said you would suspect her of BEING scum.

 

Which is the same thing in my book. I don't know what you're getting at here.

 

 

 

 

Does that make sense?  I feel like I'm making sense, but I also know what I'm getting at.  

 

Basically, there's a difference between thinking somebody might be scum and actually suspecting them of it.  So I'm trying to figure out how you actually feel about people with early town reads, and more importantly, if you're actually treating people the way your statement suggests you would.

 

Okay that makes a bit more sense now. I don't really make a distinction between the two. So yes, when people have early town reads, I do mark them as suspicious. It comes off as trying to buddy up to someone that you know is innocent so that if they're lynched you can say "oh yeah, I totally said that person was innocent and didn't want to lynch them". 

 

 

 

It's obviously nothing huge, and maybe she just decided she doesn't want to get into an argument with me, but it does display some progression towards understanding my point - even though she disagrees.  Given where we're at in the game, I appreciate that.

[Barmacral]

 

DM first day phases are a lot different than those on TV, it takes some getting used to. :P I was so confused in the last game that I barely said anything at first.

 

I've never played on tv.net, so I wouldn't know. Barm, have you ever played there?

 

But... I dunno. I took a look at the previous game you played. The shire one Nolder ran. You didn't comment even once about confusion and D1 being hectic for you. The only thing you referred to was having no meta on anyone and that it was going to be interesting. You posted on page 1, page 4, page 8. Though I think the scarceness was more to do with your pending wedding and you being depressed... or at least that's what you said there. In any case I still don't have good feelz from you.

 

 

Yes, day 1 is generally always very low activity and tends to end up with a single bandwagon based on a super weak meta case. One recent game wasn't like that and half of their players had hissy fits over it. Verb can back me up on that one.

[Andrej]

 

[v]Clov[/v]

U scum br0?

 

 

What does the flowchart say?

 

 

 

 

No.

 

 

Lynch immediately then!