[Advanced] Arthurian Mafia

[Sili Quirrels]

My general thoughts right now is that I have good feelz on Mrs.Clov and Verbal. I saw some stuff I liked from Leelou, Sili and Clov but I'm less sure about them. But this group of people are basically the players I'm not gonna be for lynching today without some really compelling reasons.

 

Low content group: Thane, Lily and dice have done nothing so far and need to step it up. Zasha might have gotten a lot of attention and such (from me and the comments around it), but she's yet to actually add any thoughts from what I've seen. And there's of course the stuff I brought up about her. And Barm has been relatively quiet and seems to only be responding when nudged or mentioned. On one hand I agree with what Verbal said, that he shifts into gear later on.... but I still don't like how detached he's coming off atm. Keeping an eye on him.

 

AJ, Yates and Darthe have all kinda took it upon themselves to speak for Zasha in some form or other. I have a feeling that there could very possibly be a scummy in this group. Either a teammate trying to help from the sidelines if I end up being right about Zasha.... or a scummy defending her to get credit later if she flips town.

 

Out of the three I feel like I got the most sincere vibes from AJ. We didn't see eye to eye but we sort of saw what the other one meant. Darthe is a really tough read for me... I REALLY don't like his vote on me but I also have to admit that he can be very self destructive as a townie so I wouldn't be shocked if he was just being boneheaded. Yates.... while disagreeing with me, also tried to twist it around to make me look bad. For instance trying to paint me as a bully and saying that I was focusing on something that seems weak and looking at another game to pad my case and make it seem more than it is. Then trying to throw suspicion on why I wasn't giving Lily and dice a hard time and basically trying to make it seem like the same situation with Zash... which it totally wasn't. And he might argue that this is semantics, but he said they were confused about my argument about Zash, when what they were confused about was Clov's argument about Zash's read on me. Two VERY different things. I just got overall bad vibes from the way he went about disagreeing with me. He was trying to flip things around to make me look suspect and keep attention off Zasha. Subtly, but it's definitely there. Which gives me bad juju. Not a fan of the 'I should be viewed cause I'm way too valuable to be lynched' post. It rubbed me the wrong way.

I'm sure you replied to Yates, but I didn't catch it. Yates said you twist narratives as scum, and I was wondering how you felt about that meta analysis of your play style?

[Nynaeve]

When I roll scum I obviously twist things around to build cases on townies. I don't know any other way to play. I basically try to play as similarly to my town game as I can manage. But what Clov said earlier is true..... it's something I need to work on. As town I jump right into the thickest of things and I got more zing to my pow lol   As scum I can't quite fake that. But I still do my best. I don't think it's something detectable unless you played with me enough to be able to tell. I think Cory is prolly the best at seeing the difference. He nails me every time (*giggity*). But I also think that Verbal, Clov and possibly Lee have a good handle on it too.

[LilyElizabeth]

Feeling townish about Verb, Leelou, and Nyn (which is normal with Nyn, regardless of her alignment.) Like Mrs. Clov's gameplay so far (Hi, and nice to meet you.)

 

The rest I'm not sure about except Darthe. I'd say he was a jester, but there isn't one in this game. What I really think is that he made a mistake and has been trying to cover for it ever since. Verb's case sits well with me. 

 

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

[Nynaeve]

In any case I don't really mind the fact that Yates disagreed with me. That part is fine. He obviously wasn't the only one. But the way he chose to insert these little wedges of suspicion mixed with stuff that were either not relevant or simply not true is suspect IMO

[Sili Quirrels]

I'm starting to think of you as a super problem solvey person. I think that fits.

[Nynaeve]

I'm starting to think of you as a super problem solvey person. I think that fits.

 

I'll take it as a compliment. 

[Nynaeve]

Feeling townish about Nyn (which is normal with Nyn, regardless of her alignment.) 

 

xD

[Verbal32]

 

 

You're probably scum, verb.

 

I don't know what you or clov thought i meant when i said 'omgus votes' but what i meant is what i said when i elaborated on it.

 

Um, okay.

 

You might want to look up what OMGUS means.

 

Oh. My. God. You. Suck.

 

-Votes.

 

Oh my god you suck so I'm going to vote you.**

 

 

So, yeah, I don't think you really understand what OMGUS is.  It is a retaliation vote.  Player A votes Player B, and the retaliation vote from Player B on Player A is labeled an "OMGUS" vote.

 

It isn't because you think somebody sucks.....

[Nynaeve]

It totally should be lol

[Barmacral]

It totally should be lol

 

But then we'd all OMGUS Verb all the time.

[Leelou]

It totally should be lol

 

You suck! Or is that me? 

[Nynaeve]

 

It totally should be lol

 

But then we'd all OMGUS Verb all the time.

 

 

True story

[Nynaeve]

 

It totally should be lol

 

You suck! Or is that me? 

 

 

We would prolly alternate to be considerate

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

You're probably scum, verb.

 

I don't know what you or clov thought i meant when i said 'omgus votes' but what i meant is what i said when i elaborated on it.

 

Um, okay.

 

You might want to look up what OMGUS means.

 

Oh. My. God. You. Suck.

 

-Votes.

 

Oh my god you suck so I'm going to vote you.**

 

 

So, yeah, I don't think you really understand what OMGUS is.  It is a retaliation vote.  Player A votes Player B, and the retaliation vote from Player B on Player A is labeled an "OMGUS" vote.

 

It isn't because you think somebody sucks.....

 

I didn't know. M'bad, but that's why I explained in complete sentences so Clov would understand where I was coming from regardless.

[Verbal32]

 

It totally should be lol

 

But then we'd all OMGUS Verb all the time.

 

 

I hate you with the power of a thousand suns.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(call me later)

 

 

 

 

 

It totally should be lol

 

You suck! Or is that me? 

 

 

We would prolly alternate to be considerate

 

 

Dear Diary:  JACKPOT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're probably scum, verb.

 

I don't know what you or clov thought i meant when i said 'omgus votes' but what i meant is what i said when i elaborated on it.

 

Um, okay.

 

You might want to look up what OMGUS means.

 

Oh. My. God. You. Suck.

 

-Votes.

 

Oh my god you suck so I'm going to vote you.**

 

 

So, yeah, I don't think you really understand what OMGUS is.  It is a retaliation vote.  Player A votes Player B, and the retaliation vote from Player B on Player A is labeled an "OMGUS" vote.

 

It isn't because you think somebody sucks.....

 

I didn't know. M'bad, but that's why I explained in complete sentences so Clov would understand where I was coming from regardless.

 

 

Ok, but where does "verb is probably scum" fit in there?  Can you point out what I've said that seems to indicate I'm scum?

[Leelou]

 

 

It totally should be lol

 

You suck! Or is that me? 

 

 

We would prolly alternate to be considerate

 

 

Sounds fair. 

[Leelou]

 

 

 

It totally should be lol

 

You suck! Or is that me? 

 

 

We would prolly alternate to be considerate

 

 

Dear Diary:  JACKPOT

 

Do you want to test which one of us sucks more? 

[Clovdyx]

That is nothing like what you said.  You said our votes were OMGUS - Clov pointed out that can't be, and then you come back with this?  I really don't know why Clov accepts that - I certainly don't.

 

This makes me feel like perhaps Darthe is town and you're white knighting him.......but when poked about it, you tossed in a little suspicion to keep the distance.

 

How close am I?

 

 

I have no trouble believing Sili would view your votes that way and explain it as OMGUS, even though that's not at all what the term means.

[Sili Quirrels]

You twisted the interaction between Clov and I to fit your interests in a very malicious way.

 

You seem fake too. Your preposterous certainty darthe is scum, for instance, I don't like that in the slightest.

 

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Yates, she's not a noob player from what I understand, but this is her second game on DM.

Yeah. I just got caught up and read that. I wasn't aware.

Ditto.



Callous?

 

 

Way to poke at the insignificant things and allow the major point against you to linger.  Excellent idea.

 

 

Lynch this goofball.

 

 

 

 

Jokes aside, you don't care about how you look and contrary to popular opinion, that isn't great.

Not to be contrary but it does matter to me, just not yet.  I'm not going to attempt to build early game repertoire here because I simply don't have interest in it yet.  I'm not in danger and don't have enough of a grasp on people at the moment to bite into much of anything but I do have the opportunity for other things atm.

 

 

We disagree on that one, heh.  You've been caught trying to bangwagon Nyn and referencing your breadcrumb....which was for another player.  Then you're trying to slip away from it and go back into the background.

 

Yeah, that's not happening.  Explain yourself, or swing.

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

 

 

I'm going to summarize as simply as possible:

I don't think I've ever played with Zasha. Not knowing the player at the epicenter of this brouhaha [note to self - "Brew Ha Ha" is a great name for a brew pub/comedy lounge!] makes comprehending the argument a little more challenging.

I *have* played with Nyn, though, on both sides of the ball. In reading Leelou's summary, I was struck by this statement:

I like that Nyn did some research into the last game Zashara played on DM, she seems to be posting naturally and is not having a problem getting involved in the discussion. Getting a good vibe from her.

Why do you like that, Leelou? I had the opposite reaction, personally. It felt like a potential frame up and isn't sitting right.

 

 

I'm going to chime in, here.  Nyn will post some solid ISOs as either alignment, but she'll put obvious research into them when she's town.  When she's scum, you could have written her ISO after a cursory review of the thread.  This is a strong indicator of Nyn being town.

 

 

 

What background? I practically opened myself up to criticism and unsurprisingly people are talking about it.

 

You didn't do it on purpose, though.  You'll say you did, but we both you it was an accident.  Doesn't make you auto-scum, but you're certainly one of the best leads we've got.

 

You most likely slipped up when trying to bury a bandwagon vote that could push a lynch through on D1.  Typical scum behavior, so explain to me how I'm wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

What background? I practically opened myself up to criticism and unsurprisingly people are talking about it.

You didn't do it on purpose, though. You'll say you did, but we both you it was an accident. Doesn't make you auto-scum, but you're certainly one of the best leads we've got.

You most likely slipped up when trying to bury a bandwagon vote that could push a lynch through on D1. Typical scum behavior, so explain to me how I'm wrong.

Even if you assume im not just trying to generate discussion its equally lilely (if not moreso) that I was lazy than scummy.

 

 

Ok, let's talk about that for a second.  Who is more likely to be lazy in placing a vote or trying to get somebody lynched early on - town or scum?

 

The answer is scum.  Scum doesn't care who is lynched - any townie will do.  Town cares much more, because they don't want to mislynch - and every townie loves to nab scum on D1.

 

So your explanation does not help your point - it helps mine.

 

 

 

 

Ok, let's talk about that for a second.  Who is more likely to be lazy in placing a vote or trying to get somebody lynched early on - town or scum?
 
The answer is scum.  Scum doesn't care who is lynched - any townie will do.  Town cares much more, because they don't want to mislynch - and every townie loves to nab scum on D1.

Umm. 1st, are we to assume you have a strong Town read on Nyn? And second, while I'm sure "every Townie loves to nab scum on D1" I'm not sure that I agree that every Townie always acts in the best interests of the Town - especially since we are talking about Darthe. I've been in games with in thread actions that allowed anyone to day vig anyone else, for example, with a 25% chance of success. And let's just say that the results were less than stellar from a Town perspective.

 

 

Strong?  No.  Town lean?  Yes.  But based on the blue, I'll concede your point, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What background? I practically opened myself up to criticism and unsurprisingly people are talking about it.

You didn't do it on purpose, though. You'll say you did, but we both you it was an accident. Doesn't make you auto-scum, but you're certainly one of the best leads we've got.

You most likely slipped up when trying to bury a bandwagon vote that could push a lynch through on D1. Typical scum behavior, so explain to me how I'm wrong.

Even if you assume im not just trying to generate discussion its equally lilely (if not moreso) that I was lazy than scummy.

Ok, let's talk about that for a second. Who is more likely to be lazy in placing a vote or trying to get somebody lynched early on - town or scum?

The answer is scum. Scum doesn't care who is lynched - any townie will do. Town cares much more, because they don't want to mislynch - and every townie loves to nab scum on D1.

So your explanation does not help your point - it helps mine.

Fallacious argument. Without a good grasp of the thread I have little reason to suspect one individual over another meaning that my decision isnt based on who I might eventually decide I wamt to see dead.

 

 

While the words you just typed make sense, I can't reconcile it to your prior actions.  You bandwagoned Nyn and defending it with a breadcrumb you placed on Lily.  Instead of admitting you were mistaken, you instead tried to defend it.

 

That defense is why you should be lynched.

 

 

 

 

 

What I'm referring to is something she said. Which is that she's kinda caught up in the whole day 1 madness so she doesn't have much to say. Which serves as an awesome pretense to sit back and not bring anything to the table for a while. It's a cop out.

I can't argue this point. I more or less agree with it, though I'm not sure how great of a tell it is. My concern was you bringing up the other game - her first game - where you claim she didn't do that. To me; that's where it became a meta argument and a potential frame up.

I think you took a weak argument ["I think you are faking your confusion"] and tried to back it up with something more substantive ["because you didn't do it in our first game together"]. I get trying to strengthen an argument but what made you hone in on THAT particular argument in the first place? For example, Lily and Dice have both claimed to be having trouble following your argument [which is a similar sin to Zasha's] but I haven't seen you touch on that. See what I'm saying?

I don't know. I guess I'm not bothered by a new player feeling a little like a fish out of water in the early part of this game. So it struck me as odd that you made that the major tenet of your investigation into Zasha. I could almost describe that as bullying a noob. Maybe that's what's actually bothering me.

 

 

I'm not bullying a noob. First of all, Zasha is not a noob. Secondly I don't feel like I was bullying her at any point. I nudged her and her responses left a lot to desire. Thirdly, If she exhibited the same behavior on the first game she played here, I'd be inclined to let it slide as unfamiliarity. Because She didn't do that AT ALL in her first game, I feel more secure in my initial instinct which is that her OP was fishy.

 

dice and Lily both claimed they had trouble following CLOV's argument, not mine. And I did ask them both to give out more thoughts.

 

And why wouldn't I want to try and substantiate my suspicion? If I feel that there's information out there that can help me read people, you better believe I'm gonna use it. I don't care how it might or might not make me look. If it's up there for grabs, I'm gonna examine it and see where it takes me.

 

 

I was about to point this out when I saw you beat me to it.  Now it is Yates' turn to not be paying enough attention to use something in an argument that doesn't fit.

 

First Darthe, now Yates.

 

 

 

[Clovdyx]

I remember you saying scum are more likely not to care about the game, and that's why you think Darthe is scum, but that's just another way of saying Darthe sucks at playing and scum are more likely to suck so we should lynch everyone who sucks.

 

That's literally not even close to what Verbal said.  The rest is a huge reach.  Do you actually believe what you're saying?

[Barmacral]

This feels more like the Sili I know and want to lynch.

[Clovdyx]

 

It totally should be lol

 

You suck! Or is that me? 

 

 

I'll take "Both" for $600, Alex.

 

[Sili Quirrels]

 

I remember you saying scum are more likely not to care about the game, and that's why you think Darthe is scum, but that's just another way of saying Darthe sucks at playing and scum are more likely to suck so we should lynch everyone who sucks.

 

That's literally not even close to what Verbal said.  The rest is a huge reach.  Do you actually believe what you're saying?

 

completely.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

What background? I practically opened myself up to criticism and unsurprisingly people are talking about it.

You didn't do it on purpose, though. You'll say you did, but we both you it was an accident. Doesn't make you auto-scum, but you're certainly one of the best leads we've got.

 

You most likely slipped up when trying to bury a bandwagon vote that could push a lynch through on D1. Typical scum behavior, so explain to me how I'm wrong.

Even if you assume im not just trying to generate discussion its equally lilely (if not moreso) that I was lazy than scummy.

 

 

Ok, let's talk about that for a second.  Who is more likely to be lazy in placing a vote or trying to get somebody lynched early on - town or scum?

 

The answer is scum.  Scum doesn't care who is lynched - any townie will do.  Town cares much more, because they don't want to mislynch - and every townie loves to nab scum on D1.

 

So your explanation does not help your point - it helps mine.

 

^Here is the passage I am referring to.

[Sili Quirrels]

This feels more like the Sili I know and want to lynch.

Not surprised actually, that you would say something like this.

 

But I am just trying to work through my suspicions and gut reactions to players and their content by being forthright and honest about my thoughts. There is nothing 'dirty' about what i'm doing. i am not intentionally misleading anyone, and that is why i pulled up the mq to make sure people knew i was completely legit.