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Niniel

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Cass Master

Cass

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I had difficulty collecting the quotes, I had different browser tabs open and the multiquote wasn't picking up all the quotes as normal /bygones. The only one that's out of sequence to me is your 'get serious' happens after the 2 from Thane, i.e. his read was in thread first.

ii, that helps a lot :) since it was only 12 hours between his initial reads and your question on the 8th (no 9th for me) I was interested in how you were doing your reread, since I wondered if you'd missed his reads when you asked the question on the 12th, of that makes sense?

 

I probably didn't realise the time difference between his quotes (tbh I never looked at timestamps before you brought them up) and I guess I just didn't count listing two top suspects as a full list of reads, which is why I asked for them when I did. The fact that he didn't elaborate on why he wasn't suspecting anybody else was the main reason I pushed on this (hence 'Did you really have no other reads/leans/ideas at this point'). The fact the top scum reads were the same did strike me as potentially odd but I think I said at the time it was probably nothing. It's not concern about him 'parroting' so much as a concern about him not elaborating. (This is a concern that still very much stands).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good morning :)

I got caught up rereading yesterday. Unfortunately I don't have time to write my thoughts before work. I more or less finished Day 1, there are a couple of pages I skimmed through which I want to check.

A couple of things, Tress, Clov why were you voting No Lynch. I understand your not wanting it to go random argument, but my experience in these sort of games is that people will consolidate at the end of day.

Cass, you don't seem to like me asking vig/cop/doc... it's a way of finding out what people think... vig strongest suspect, cop person most unsure of/second strongest suspect (bit more complicated as there are lots of reasons to cop someone), doc strongest town suspect... I don't feel like at the time I had much info to go on for those 2.

Sorry missed this yesterday. You were right that it stood/stands out to me as something to be wary of. I can see the benefit of it (and thanks for going to the effort to explain), I'm just wary that it's probably at least equally as useful as a strategy for scum as it is for Town, and I don't really have much to go on for you, as it stands.

Where do you stand?

 


This actually bugs me. Can you explain what you mean by 'not having a lot to go on?' this game in particular given the small player base I've been working hard to post more and be more involved, so for people to 'still' say I'm posting infrequently (Sili), not much to go on (you) is really frustrating.

 

 

'I don't really have much to go on for you, as it stands' for me means I haven't seen/found too much potentially-actually-scum stuff to make me think you're overly scummy, rather than meaning I thought you hadn't contributed enough. It's not that at all. It's that I hadn't noticed much else in your posts that put me off, and it wasn't meant to bug you - promise.

 


Lol no worries, I think I was irritated yesterday. Thanks for explaining though  :smile:

 

:smile:

Cass Master

Cass

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[v]Thane[/v]

 

I believe BFG to be telling the truth about rolling town.  She's a very analytic thinker, and I want to say I remember her doing a similar style post as her big one from an hour ago before as town, though I haven't been able to locate it (checked Masons, Twilight, HHG, and Tron) so maybe I'm wrong there.  I agreed with most of her points and can follow why she marked them as positives/negatives/and neutrals.

 

The only major discrepancy I have is her giving a positive to Thane for early game talk.  I thought he was a relatively slow starter in the game, and what he had didn't really blow me away.  His main read was Sili, who was already getting pressure from multiple people, and I was his second.  His justification on us was that we were being "too defensive" - but I don't remember him ever trying to explain WHERE we were being defensive or WHAT we were being defensive about.

 

A couple minor tings I disagree with:

 

Thane:

 

- MIA

 

I thought this, too, until I checked the post count.  Obviously not a perfect method to determine activity...but he's third in posts this game.  Sili is the runaway leader and BFG recently passed Thane, 149 to 145.  So I guess my issue isn't that he's not been here, but I get the feeling he's sitting on the sideline.  

 

 

 

 

Some of his recent posts

 

i'm here.... and yeah, i think i've said my thing... willing to discuss though   :happy:

 
 

i'm here, at work, so bear with me.

 
 

*watches with interest*

 

 

I just get the impression that since Yates died, he's basically either been in bystander mod or had to be dragged into the conversation.  Reactive, rather than proactive, if you will.

 

 

 

 

Cass:

 

- stuck on Sili for a long time.

 
I don't really have a huge with this.  It seems like Sili was one of her first strong scum reads and I don't think Sili handled pressure all that well this game.  Without context it might look like a tunnel, but based on the flow of thread, it seems relatively reasonable to me.
 

 

Me:

 

~ until today, seems to be 'on' peoples suspect list, but never pushed. Not sure how to weight this one given the size of the game, there are probably a number of people you could make that argument for, but Clov isn't ever a 'real' mislynch candidate for mafia to nudge or push.

 

Just not really sure what to make of this?

 

- 'doesn't sound like mafia BFG' feels a bit 'buddyish' since Thane is the only one in the game that's played a game with Mafia!BFG and that game was 9 months ago and my style has 'evolved' since then, I'm not sure why he thinks he knows what mafia!BFG would be like (what can I say RandomOrg can see into my soul and knows that I am, and always will be Town; alternatively I am the anti-Leelou).

 

Analysis here is spot on, I'm not sure where you're quoting there.  I ran a search of posts with me as the author, looking for "sounds" and "sound".

 

 

 

 

"Sounds"

 

1

2

3

4

5

 

Now using "sound" instead.  Some of these are repeats, but whateever.

 

1

2

3

4

 

 

 

 

Those are all the results I got.  I DID make a couple posts referring to you as "Mafia!BFG to examine angles, but I think that's it.  

 

(Sidenote: laughs were had at "Anti-Leelou".)

 

 

I agree that BFG seems very Town right now. She's been putting in some serious work and asking detailed questions that show to me she's really analysing the thread. I don't like the way she is pushing me for the Thane and Sili thing, or the way she's suggesting that I didn't push on Yates now that he's flipped, and I don't like how defensive she seemed about me being wary of the vig/cop/doc thing (a large part of this may definitely be OMGUS). Put off by tone (directness) early on but more likely to think that's null/analytical BFG right now. Still don't understand the immediate difference in our reads of Sili (?GOAT or TMI???). Don't like the tone behind the disclaimers in her Yates post, but the rest of the content there is good (and there's a lot of it/lots of specific questions). Work and content towards end of game is good (wary: Darthe did this too).

 

Also agree with the points on Thane, especially the stuff in bold, although I think it started before anything to do with Yates, for me, and got worse after he didn't elaborate when I asked in the post BFG refers to if he really had no other reads/leans/ideas. 

 

I feel like he's asked a couple of soft questions (?opportunistic) and been present in the thread, but early on I really did find his style different to last game, more guarded and less jovial than I remembered - and this still strikes me as odd. 

Recently I feel he's been more like I remembered in the last game (but this was after everyone had pointed out how much they felt he'd changed, and how it was not generally a TownThane look, and the tone is a little more deceptive/sneaky). 
His vote on Clov might be logically justified given Clov's defense of Yates, and it's tempting, given the way I was feeling about Clov early on and the general fear that I have that Clov is probably just adeptly pulling the wool over our eyes, but Clov has been more intently active in the thread than Thane, asking a wider variety of questions of a wider variety of players and answering questions/elaborating logically, especially towards end-game. The interactions I've had with Clov have seemed more thorough, in a sense, than the interactions that I've had/seen with Thane. I think I'm in the same boat with Clov that BFG may be in with me - he looks mostly good but there are a few things I'm not happy with/feel awkward on. I don't trust his defense of Yates, and now that Yates has flipped I especially don't like the way he had Yates and I as his top 'Town' reads. If he is scum, that could potentially have been rather troublesome for me as spew, and fits with the feelings I had earlier on about him maybe trying to set me up, only in a different way. Tbh it reads the same way as some of the things Yates says about me too (to me), and both of those are similar to last game - gah.

 

Still, I think it comes down to this for me:

 

BFG

- Pushing me for pushing Thane and Sili thing

- Ignores/discredits my push on Yates

- Tone occasionally defensive

- Sili = GOAT/TMI ???

 

 

Clov

- Felt like he was potentially setting me up at the start/told me it was 'too early' to be worried about such things, but admits the tactic of challenging it would/did work

~ Should he flip scum, links me with Yates fairly regularly in his 'spew' (?truly both top Town reads?)

- Defends Yates and doesn't seem to challenge anything he says, even though he puts forward logical challenges about almost/?everybody else

- Pushes NL even though he had players he was considering scum, distances later saying it was because his reads weren't that strong

 

 

Thane

- Wasn't posting like himself. Felt off. Did explain with RL reason BUT then

- Changed this after it was mentioned

- ? Opportunistic questions, doesn't seem to chase any of them far

~ ? Buddying / Normal Thane?

-  Always generalised/Only gives general impressions of other players

- Doesn't elaborate - even when you ask for specifics (Pushed a pretty big post against me last game, from memory, with quite a bit of elaboration, and he was Town)

- Different opinion of jmm's hint at a claim, and/but still don't like that he mentioned it BEFORE NK - Are we even sure we have a Doc??

- Tone sounds increasingly cheeky/sneaky the more he's pushed - last game he defended himself more logically

~ Yates spew interactions often feel quite false, but most of this is from Yates' side ?possibly being set up...


And we have less than a day to go soooooo...

 

[v]Thane[/v]

 

You law-breaking again???

 

 

Sorry for the silence. I was super grumpy yesterday and last night I had a procrastination fit.

I'm stuck at work again (as little as I want to be here) but solemnly swear to do #work after dinner when I get home.

:wub: to my ponies!

 

 

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  :wub:

 

 

So it would be great if people didn't disappear!

:blush:

Thane Vakarian Grand Master

Thane Vakarian

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so, it comes down to this, basically: Tress and BFG still can vote. I got 2 votes, so one of them could hammer easily. IF, however, they're more convinced that i am Town this game, Clov can still be lynched. 

 

Choose wisely please. 

Cass Master

Cass

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Gah, Crappy quote chain at the  end of #1075.

 

Apparently there's magic disappearing text. I can still see the last part of what Clov and I wrote, if I highlight the text that 'isn't' there. 

 

Otherwise, what was said was this: (Copy-pasting, Clov I hope you don't mind it not being quoted)

 

 

Clov

I thought you would/SHOULD have had me down as town, because I will never be able to wrap my head around "Yeah, that argument makes sense.  I agree with him on that.  This part sounds reasonable.  Eh, he's probably scum though."

 

I get that it's your "thing" to always have some doubts you're being tricked or somebody's working an angle, but this is a team game - I would expect the people you to trust most to be the one's approaching the game in a similar manner as you and seeing things the same way you are.  You can both be wrong, and they CAN be mafia, but I'm not sure that's the likeliest scenario.

 

Me

I can respect these arguments/views, and I'm going to try and take them on board and play more like a team, it's just hard to trust anyone other than yourself if your team has a mole and you know it... But, this idea fits with my theory that communication is the key. Perhaps a little more trust and cooperation should be up there too...

Cass Master

Cass

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so, it comes down to this, basically: Tress and BFG still can vote. I got 2 votes, so one of them could hammer easily. IF, however, they're more convinced that i am Town this game, Clov can still be lynched. 

 

Choose wisely please. 

 

Thane, since I can't pick a clear scum it's come down to the POE that everyone's been using all game. 

 

Tress has claimed Seer

BFG seeming most Town right now 

 

You and I have both been wary about Clov all game but all I really have against him is:

 

- Feelings - that possibly relate more to my own paranoia than something he was actually trying to achieve

- His defense of Yates - which is possible either way and I still can't peg as more likely one way or another in my mind

- Preference for NL - which was shared with other players - all of whom have more experience with game mechanics than me

 

ISO-reading you you've been 'suspecting' him all game, but this has been more due to POE than anything you've pointed out he's actually said/done and when you voted him you said you were going to "go after" your next suspect,  but haven't really given reasons beyond:

- Him and Sili seemed defensive early on(?)

- You disagree with him on his comments about your posting style

- That his vote against you is a bit OMGUS

 

(If I've missed something, or you have something new, go ahead and point it out...)

 

I'm still wary and he's second on my list BUT he's been pushing and prodding and explaining and elaborating hard since early on. He could definitely be doing this as wolf. At this point I can't vote him over you :(

Cass Master

Cass

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Lawbreaker, pls stop pulling at my heart-strings!!  :tongue: 

No clemency for potential wilves!

 

 

Heading off to bed, should not be staying up this late. Saturday (all-day family day) morning starts in just over 3.5-4hrs, I'll pop in when I can...

BFG Spam Master

BFG

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Good evening :)

 

<3 Cass, thanks for posting. Sorry I wasn't around earlier to help with the ISO's.

 

We're actually out all night tonight, so I'll probably only have time to do one before leaving. I'll be able to do the rest tomorrow morning (fingers crossed)

Niniel Spam Master

Niniel

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Clove (1) - Thane

 

Thane (2) - Clov, Cass

 

 

Not voting: Tress, BFG

 

 

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Saturday 9 PM CET. http://www.timeandda...msg=Deadline D2

 

 

 

Let me know if I have missed any votes. I´m again sorry for not being her more. I couldn´t deal with the stress at work. I promise to be back tomorrow. :)

 

Songstress Spam Master

Songstress

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The promised #work got interrupted by #housework >.>

 

But I'm almost done with my Yates ISO and I'll post up my conclusions tonight.

Songstress Spam Master

Songstress

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K, so summary of Yates ISO in spoiler...

 

 

 

 
1) Jokes about being a brony, shaking babies (clearly a villain from this OP)
 
2) Suggests Sili-Cass scum team
 
3) Characterizes Sili/Cass interactions as awkward distancing/buddying tango
 
4) Erroneously tells Cass that it was town who brought up the possibility of her being scum in her first game.
 
5) Says the game can't start without Thane and Tress weighing in.
 
6) Acknowledges initial posts from Tress and Thane and asks for thoughts
 
7) Says he wants to hear from Sili and Cass first on his linking before writing it off, says it reads as awkwardly self-aware for this early in the game
 
8) Buddies Thane openly, suggests he's able to read Thane very well and is setting Thane up to prove himself town.  Says he will be "on (Thane) like white on rice" if he sees one of two Thane scum tells.
 
9) Says he might have agreed with Sili that he's not coming across as wolfy prior to seeing a recent wolf game from him. Acknowledges that Sili is aware that Yates might have just been "fielding for responses" with his linking and will be adjusting accordingly, tells him to stop being so guarded... says the pairings aren't absurd to him... says Sili's "you look good if I flip scum" statement pings. Asks Sili to explain why he treated Clov and Cass differently.
 
10) Contradicts Cass that it was Kivam who suggested Cass was scum in her first game, saying it was Darthe.  Gives Cass townie points for being paranoid about Yates pairing her with Sili.  Asks Cass to explain why she finds him possible scum, gives advice that she shouldn't assume someone is scummy just because they suggest she is scummy. States he is looking forward to future interaction between Sili/Cass.
 
11) Confirms to Cass that depending on roles and other balance considerations, scum are usually 25% of the game, and 2 scum is likely in this game.
 
12) Admits he forgot Darthe was scum in Cass's first game, and notes they were both wrong in part, then clarifies that his point was it didn't have to be scum that brought it up - was lynched in most recent town game because of POE. Says he is buddying everyone because it's a friendly game - will buddy potential scum suspects to see if he can get them to slip up.  Gives example of early posting from one of his recent town games for comparison.  
 
13) Clarifies to Clov that by "pocketing" Thane he means something similar to "white knighting" him.
 
14) Responds to Clov's post about the jmm "2 or 1 mafia" that it's his 2nd or 3rd game here and probably not a huge deal.
 
15) Responds to Clov's question that he's acting in a way to encourage Thane to towntell, as opposed to already reading Thane as town.
 
16) Acknowledges BFG's greeting
 
17) Responds to BFG's point that she doesn't associate town Thane with "guarded" play or words by stating that's the one tell he was hinting at (after which he would be on him like white on rice).  Immediately moves on to linking Sili and BFG, suggesting Sili as talking to her as if he knows she is town.  Responds to BFG's question about why Sili only has one vote on him by suggesting that just because he looks scummy that doesn't mean he is scum, it's very early in the game, and in a small game people  tend to be more cautious with votes.  Says he has a Sili-BFG relationship to resolve.
 
18) Responds to Sili that on page 7 it sounds like Sili knows BFG's alignment *or* she knows his, by the way he is approaching her questions.  Promises to go into more detail tomorrow.
 
19) Notes jmm's reads list is mostly contrarian, and says it will be interesting to see supporting information.
 
20) Notes Sili claimed BFG was a scum lean but treats her as Town, quotes a series of 3 posts and asks Sili to reconcile them (BFG gives town read on Cass and Clov, Sili concurs - presumably with BFG, then lists BFG, jmm and Clov as scum reads).
 
21) Defers giving an opinion of jmm's play, says he will be hard to read based on his play last game.  Denies linking "everyone" to Sili, just BFG and Cass, states his read on Cass is now separate from Sili, and the interaction between BFG and Sili is his new "shiny object"
 
22) States he got his internet back (after approx 7-1/2 hours) and doesn't know what some of us are talking about in these quote walls.
 
23) Clarifies to Sili that he called BFG a scum suspect and proceeded to respond to BFG through all of page 7 in a tone that suggests he already knows she's town - then qualifies that he is still trying to hone his tone-reading skill.  Says when Sili claims Yates never commented on the fact that he called BFG a scum read, it was implied in his question, says the question only makes sense with that context.  Clarifies that he is waiting for anyone to town tell to a degree that he recognizes so he can focus elsewhere, asks Sili what the point is of his statement/accusation.  Asks Sili what quote he left out of the Sili/BFG interactions quoted in #20.  Declines to elaborate on why Sili appears to be treating BFG as town and says he's just going to call it "tone".  Admits he was trying to coax a reaction out of Sili and Cass by linking them, says Cass' response was on point, Sili's response is void because he figured it out.  Says the linking of Sili and BFG is a separate event and just a coincidence that both involved Sili.  Says Sili is treating Yates like he knows Yates is town by using the term "tinfoil".  Agrees with Sili's statement that "scum treating a player as town usually means that player is town", and extrapolates that if Sili were to flip scum, it would clear him, BFG and Cass.
 
24) Clarifies to Sili that jmm is harder to read than Sili is, noting that it took 2 or 3 games for him to figure Sili out, then he rolled scum and undid some of his Sili town tells.
 
25) Gives examples of Sili/BFG interactions that give him the impression one or both could be scum in response to Clov's question, including BFG's "who are you most likely to tinfoil on" question to Sili, which he characterizes as presuming Sili is town.
 
26) Piggybacks on Clov's post regarding BFG's "tinfoil" wording, saying he hadn't read his post prior to his #25.
 
27) Replies to BFG's question why he's not voting Sili if he's using Sili's interactions as a basis to link mafia suspects - states he's using relationships to inform his tone reads, doesn't believe he's even called Sili scum outside of his reaction fishing.
 
28) Responds to BFG's question about him leaving out her question (about who Sili was most likely to tinfoil on) in his #20 series of quotes, stating it was unrelated to their discussion.
 
29) Gives POE list of possible scum as Sili, Tress, BFG and Thane, clears Cass as 100% town, says Clov's approach is solid town (although he doesn't recall seeing Clov Scum?), says Thane and I have not contributed enough to judge.
 
30) Notes in response to BFG's query whether she needs to clear anything else up aside from her response to Clov, "further evidence that I read in sequence"
 
31) Acknowledges that he forgot jmm in his reads list.  Notes in response to jmm that Cass is playing the exact same way she did in her first game, and says bubbly people make him nervous.  Asks why jmm has Yates and Clov as scum suspects.
 
32) Clarifies to BFG what he meant by "random" is that Sili said he liked BFG's intro, then randomly - without further content or explanation - called her scum in his next post.
 
33) Clarifies to Sili that he was referring to Thane and myself when he mentioned "low content posters", not that all of his scum pool had low content.  Disagrees with Sili's assertion that Thane and I had good content.
 
34) Says it's been a challenge understanding Sili's instincts, sums up and dismisses Sili's points against him and suggests Sili is treating him like he did in the Marlfox game
 
35) Responds to Cass's question (directed at Clov) regarding benefits of No Lynch D1 and odds of scum killing a town PR.
 
36) Says he'd rather lynch than let it go random, notes Clov is forgetting someone dies if we no lynch
 
37) Corrects himelf that Tina did say no lynch was allowed but expressed confusion as to whether that would mean a majority on "no lynch" counts as a majority vote with no death, or as no majority and random modkill, asks mod to clarify in thread.
 
38) Misinterprets BFG's "vig/doc/cop" question as asking whether all 3 roles are expected to be included in this game, states he does not believe all 3 would be included in this small of a game, especailly the vig.
 
39) Realizes BFG's "vig/doc/cop" was the mafia equivalent of the "screw/marry/kill" game.
 
40) Declines to respond to huge walls of text.  Gives quick list:  Sili probably town (says BFG's assessment is on the money), jmm is probably scum (Sili's meta argument on the money), Cass is probably going to be killed N1 as strongest consensus town read, still looking for Thane "volume", Tress close to dark green - town list Cass, Clov, Tress, Sili; recommends lynch from jmm/Thane/BFG, Sili as last resort.
 
41) Notes "no lynch" vote is at L-1, asks if Tress, BFG or Cass will be around at deadline to hammer, states he will be leaving in about an hour and will hammer if nobody has responded.
 
42) Notes he just came in to vote (after my response)
 
43) "Good luck, it's been fun"
 
44) Notes mod flavor in opening post implies multiple mafia.
 
45) Makes notes and asks questions of everyone: Cass - explains his perceived buddying of her. Sili - asks why he didn't understand why mafia thought jmm was a PR, implies Sili is smarter than that and wants help understanding his motivation.  Clov - tries to intercede in the misunderstanding with Sili regarding his comment about Thane accepting jmm's PR hint, notes he doesn't usually see Thane accepting PR hints as a reason to abandon a scum read, and likes where Clov's head is at.  Thane - asks him to confirm whether he is correct that Thane normally doesn't accept PR hints at face value for his scum suspects, asks him to explain his change of read on jmm and why he's not posting as much.  Tress - asks me to explain my reads on BFG and Thane.  BFG - asks her to come out and play.
 
46) Asks why I didn't give Sili a hard time for his comment after jmm was killed, if I felt Thane was a poor suspect for commenting about it beforehand.
 
47) Note Sili got 0 town points for bad acting performance after jmm's death, and it makes him look more suspicious that he felt like he had to distance from the kill.
 
48) Questions Sili's assertion that it wasn't acting
 
49) Asks Sili to clarify that he saw where jmm hinted but didn't believe him to be a PR.
 
50) States he doesn't believe Town Tress would let something important like Sili's "don't know why scum would have thought jmm was a PR" comment slide, finds it odd that I used related logic to determine Thane's alignment.
 
51) Asks Sili to clarify whether he is saying "tone" made him think jmm was vanilla.
 
52) Feels like people have stopped town telling. Asks Thane what he is confused about IRT Sili, says his post voting sili is extremely vague.
 
53) Notes in response to Sili that jmm played his Innocent Child role exactly like he played this game, and Sili should have seen that as well.  Notes that there is a person in this game who uses the lurking/stay under the radar tactic when he/she is a cop.
 
54) Agrees to re-read Sili's interactions with jmm again, ignoring Thane's posts.
 
55) Responds to Cass that jmm now reads like a VT to him.
 
56) Agrees with me in principle that there's a difference between Thane's statement drawing attention to jmm's PR hint and Sili's post-NK "distancing" statement, but notes he thinks they came from the same sort of logic. Says he was trying to figure out if I was actually trying to determine Sili's alignment or just look like it, says he can see how Sili may have addressed my concerns through a different argument.
 
57) Responds to Thane that looking too townie does make him a suspect but also means he isn't a mislynch target and forces scum's hand, also keeps cop from wasting an investigation on him.  States he is not trying to play on the edge of town and scum this game.
 
58) Jokes it is unnatural for him to be nice in mafia, trying to be over the top nice in this game to counteract tendency to take things too personally and come across as a big meanie.
 
59) Indicates he has been nice and reasonable and not NK'd as town before - cites the Black Tower game - but notes that normally living late into the game when you appear town happens when your reads are wrong or because the PRs are outed and obvious NK targets.
 
60) Responds to my question regarding whether Sili is a good scum suspect by indicating he needs to get caught up first and then re-read his back and forth with jmm as promised, but indicates he has a tentative slight town lean on him right now, subject to change upon further review.
 
61) Gets frustrated with Sili's suggestion that maybe there are no scum, indicating OP says we are looking for "naughty ponies", plural.
 
62) Responds to me that he never said or implied that I was not following up on Sili as a potential scum suspect, says he was concerned that Sili never answered my question about it being obvious why scum thought jmm was a PR and then I let it go.  Was expecting to see me follow up on that particular topic.
 
63) Quotes the Sili/jmm interactions without comment and asks Sili to confirm that he hasn't missed any pertinent posts.
 
64) Clarifies his question to me is whether there is a reason why I didn't follow up with Sili about his confusion about the jmm NK, or if I felt mentioning it in one post was enough for people to form their own opinions.
 
65) Responds point by point to BFG's case against him, notes if he was scum he could have pushed a Thane wagon without raising suspicion. Concludes she can't get him mislynched and suggests if she tries to NK him it might come back on her.
 
66) Responds to my "distracted by a shiny object" explanation with "fair enough"
 
67) Asks BFG to point out any of her question that he left unanswered.
 
68) Asks BFG to clarify the question about the "tinfoil" thing that Clov brought up that he didn't want to talk about.
 
69) Indicates he thinks he's lost his place, and asks BFG to let him know when she's read his reponse post to chat IRT
 
70) Clarifies IRT meaning "in real time" as opposed to "incident response team"
 
71) Calls Sili 100% town.
 
72) Responds to Thane that his Sili read has to do with his "I was stuck between two metas" comment.
 
73) Responds to my announcement of a guilty read on him with "nonsense"
 
74) Denies that I am a seer.
 
75) Claims Princess Celestia, town doc.  Says he protected jmm N1, says he was trying to give me an out in case I was a tracker or watcher, calls cop claim BS
 
76) Indicates he assumes jmm died despite protect because of strongman factional kill to balance town roles
 
77) Tells me I am making assumptions when I deny strongman kill is in a basic game.
 
78) Responds to Sili that he does not think I am lying, too big of a gambit for Scum!Tress to pull off, suggests scum has some combination of strongman, redirect, godfather to balance town power. Admits he started suspecting I may have tracked him to jmm when I was talking to Sili, but thought he could talk his way out of it.
 
79) States with a pool this small scum won't be able to risk keeping me alive after Yates lynch
 
80) Advises people discussing Yates' potential scum partner they are jumping the gun and will have a completely different conversation after his flip.
 
81) Responds to my skepticism about him asking us to believe there is a redirector and a strongman kill that it is easier to believe that he's really mafia which is why he can't fight his lynch, but insists we are about to mislynch the town doc.  States if I don't die next then it means my cop claim was a very foolhardy gambit and I will be lynched D3.  Agrees it would have been easier to fake a protect on Cass but had to be straightforward in case I was a tracker/watcher.
 
82) Insists he is being genuine.
 
83) Says he expects night phase will last about 15 minutes
 
84) Posts sad-looking Princess Celestia picture
 
85) Bah post

 
 
So I lived through the night.  And the only thing I can think to make sense of that is that the last mafia is a godfather and is not a bit worried about being viewed - moreover, they might have specifically WANTED to keep me alive to clear them as town.  Which I'm not going to play into. 
 
After thinking hard about this for the last couple of days, I believe Clov is the best bet - both due to his interactions (or lack thereof) with Yates, and a few things that pinged me at the time.  Specifically, the ones that raised my eyebrows the most were the way he started out D2 going after Thane  - it really felt to me like a push against an easy target, with Yates pushing Sili in tandem (then backing off once he started to get the idea that I was honing in on him)... and then there was this:
 

First, I'm pretty sure the existence of PRs has been confirmed.  No, I won't say more than that.
 
This quote came right after the point when I started figuring that Yates had twigged to the fact that I was on to him.  
 
I could ISO everyone else in the game and go around in circles thinking of all the reasons why it could be any one of you others, but my gut says it's Clov, and my gut was good enough to point me in the right direction N1, so I want to follow it today.  If it's wrong, there will be much beating-up-of-self and much re-evaluating to be done over the weekend.
 
[v]Clov[/v]
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BFG

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Good morning :)

 

Glad to see you Tress and Thane!

 

I still need to think for a bit, but this is where my ISO left me

 

I can't 'clear' Thane as town the way I could Sili, because the level of involvement with the game is different/lower for Day 1 and it's possible that the increase in Day 2 was due to prompting. However there are some places where Clov and Yates 'seem' to work together and I keep coming back to that Yates read and the lack of 'impact' for want of a better word.

 

I'm about to have breakfast, but will try to actually post the specifics when I get back

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I wouldn't want to be in BFG's shoes right now.... but in the end, she'll have to make the choice. Which would be better than a random kill....

:unsure:

 

I feel this is karma for missing the Yates lynch

 

There won't be a random kill :tongue:

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