[Basic/Standard] A Wind in the Door Mafia - GAME OVER, TOWN WINS

[Lenlo]

There werent any stand out examples of his stuff, mostly just the general tone and kinda lack of anything meaningful. Its not like I ever called you guys LOCKSCUM or anything, I just think your fishy for D1 which is why I wanna look at you for later days.

 

Is that hard to understand?

[csarmi]

Hard to get your PoV yes. This is one of the most obvious town Dice games i seen.

 

But okay.

[Lenlo]

I havnt played here in afew months, and havnt played at all for atleast a month, so im kinda rusty and no idea how people have changed if at all. Sorry.

[csarmi]

OK. DM ate my quotes.

 

@Yates, check Cory's progression. Not only is he transparent about how he is concerned about the nulls, but he also called Hally out on her Salami read. She is greyed in his PoE.

 

I don't count your "hey guys subscribing to the thread gn" post as an entrance.

 

His "require deathening post" does come after it, yes. But i could see clearly where it came from and it was "in the air", was something i felt there too.

 

Not leaning wolf on you right now and not because of the claim. There is something intangible i like there. So I'm asking you to recheck the events and realize where your conflict comes from.

[csarmi]

I counted that post as coming before your real entrance.

[csarmi]

@Dice - there is the Yates/Cory analysis i promised.

 

I think Cory is very likely to be town and yes that spat may be town on town. Not sold on YatesHally either way.

 

Len what do you think?

[Sili Quirrels]

The pog game is taking up a lot of my spare time. Tonight I need to read 3,000 posts and it's only been about 12 hours since it's started.

 

Anyway, you were right Yates. I must have missed a post or two of Hallia's and mistakingly thought she was slanking.

 

Lenlo's last wot is good.

 

Tina, thanks for the euphism but it's alright. In the jf game I didn't care about winning and I was vanilla. Naturally I wasn't overly obligated to play to anyone's standards so I shirked the responsibility when I realized what had happened, and acknowledged ape was a dunderhead that I don't respect.

 

I can't do that here for a couple reasons.

[csarmi]

Sili, if you can't take the volume, don't sign up for two games at once. I couldn't care less how many posts you gotta read in other games.

 

Gimme your takes on Cory/Yates.

[Niniel]

Dice is one of my strongest town reads.

[Pralaya]

Back from the weekend and took couple of days to read the entire game. The good news is that I have caught up completely (Thanks for keeping the game 50 pages in 5 days !)
 
First off, the town reads
 
TinaHel
 
As mentioned earlier, I don't see Tina play a risky move as scum. Her main play after that is asking people to kill the claimed survivor, which matches with what I have seen Tina play. Nothing that I have seen screams scum Tina, which is when she plays super-safe.She did say that she wis changing her game, but I don't see her change her playstyle that quickly.
 
CorMish (Cory/Mish hydra)
 
Both Cory and Mish have screamed town so far. Cory isn't as focused on lynching people D1 when he is scum compared to when he is town. Here, I see a lot of positive attempt to scum-hunt - PoE, baiting etc. I kinda read Mish but have not played with her for someitme. But, her posts again are direct and I don't see any subtle opportunism which is what makes her stand out as scum.
 
Next are the slight town reads
 
Lenlo
 
I totally see Lenlo going after the claimed survivor. He suspects me because of me being a low poster so far, but that is expected of him. His reposnses to those who questioned him have also come out as genuine. 
  
Sili
 
I played with him in a game hwere he was both town and scum and could kind of see the difference in his play. He mostly coasts when he is scum and play on the fact that the town are fighting each other. I don't quite see that opportunism here.
  
JMM, Err and Sleeper Service
 
I have not played with them and don't know how they play. So far, jmm being adamant about his playstyle and not changing it under pressure looks like town to me. 
 
Err's whole post looking at who is suspecting whom looked forced. Something like wanting to post something to look townish. Other than that, nothing much to comment on.
 
Sleeper Service has  a lot of posts and very straightforward. I can totally understand his vote on me. But, him going after me, jmm, sili looks like he is gunning for the easy lynches of the day. 
 
All the above are null and would need more time to read them fully.
 
Tommy
 
He has been shipping his votes from one person to another and I can totally see him doing that as town. He claimed survivor, which I would take with a grain of salt. I don't think lynching a survivor is a priority today because it would not give much information and the priority should be to lynch scum. Tommy was trying to hint a third party for a couple of times before he claimed survivor, which makes it seem like a planned move. Suspicious but not today's lynch.
 
Which brings us to the rest who are my scum leans
 
Manbat
 
He has had a lot of playful posts early in the game, too carefree for what I have seen in his town game so far. Again, he is not someone who I have played a lot with but some things seem off. He has been sheeping Cory and Tom in his votes so far and that stands out odd. Leanign scum here.
 
Sarmtosser (Dice/Csarmi hydra)
 
I definitely don't see csarmi go after a claimed survivor day 1. I can see dice doing it but definitely not csarmi. Dice posts also have some weird kind of aggressiveness that stands out - like this post subtly pushing Sleeper or his doggedness in lynching tommy here
 
HalliYates (Hallia/Yates hydra)
 
Yates whole argument with Cory was making a mountain of a molehill. Yeah, Cory suspected Hally on D1 but the whole build up by Yates seemed over the top. Also, he seems less annoyed that I am posting little and more defending me when others started suspecting me. That said, monstr/Yates talks seem w/w to me - like this response from monstr. I don't buy their claim yet - looks more like "if you kill us, you are going to be in trouble" claim.

[Pralaya]

[v]Manbat[/v]

[Cory Caboose]

[Cory Caboose]

I really want to look through Firefly for csarmi's scumgame since that was recent and he was higher-volume being in a hydra BUT THAKANDAR DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE TO ME

[Cory Caboose]

Sarmtosser (Dice/Csarmi hydra)

 

I definitely don't see csarmi go after a claimed survivor day 1. I can see dice doing it but definitely not csarmi. Dice posts also have some weird kind of aggressiveness that stands out - like this post subtly pushing Sleeper or his doggedness in lynching tommy here

 

HalliYates (Hallia/Yates hydra)

 

Yates whole argument with Cory was making a mountain of a molehill. Yeah, Cory suspected Hally on D1 but the whole build up by Yates seemed over the top. Also, he seems less annoyed that I am posting little and more defending me when others started suspecting me. That said, monstr/Yates talks seem w/w to me - like this response from monstr. I don't buy their claim yet - looks more like "if you kill us, you are going to be in trouble" claim.

 

I just sort of really feel like saying this since it's ONE thing that has made me feel weird this game

 

I gave SLIGHTLY town points to Hallia because after like 15+ pages she dropped in with a "csarmi null" read. But I also took down another note.

 

Hallia and csarmi typically get along well (this does matter) and csarmi can be ~easy to read as a villager because he's loud and enthusiastic and a few other things we know about csarmi that I don't want to get into atm. Specifically, if Scum!Hallia were reading the thread and saw Town!csarmi's VOLUME alone, she would probably not lean anything but villager on him for it.

I had two notes about this, actually. The first I thought about while I was arguing with Yates, was that Hallia might not have really been reading the thread (which is null-to-mildly-wolfy for her if so) and therefore my note was potentially nonsense. The second was the original note I wrote with it that, that if Hallia and csarmi were w-w it's very possible for Hallia to drop a null read on him instead of a villager read as she already knows something's up.

From what I understand of Hallia if she's scum.

 

Will think today on exactly what I want to pursue but food for thought.

[Cory Caboose]

Dice is one of my strongest town reads.

 

I actually want to reassess here. I need to go look at some dice scum games.

 

Tina: if Tommy is survivor/town and not Mafia, do you think dice's tunnel of him today is something he couldn't or wouldn't do as Mafia?

[Cory Caboose]

I'm going to run through the thread again when I get home from work. We have the time so mineswell use it.

 

I'm really conflicted on what I want to do today; don't have anyone I think is a slam dunk. Hoping I'll find it on re-re-re-read. 

[csarmi]

 

Dice is one of my strongest town reads.

 

I actually want to reassess here. I need to go look at some dice scum games.

 

Tina: if Tommy is survivor/town and not Mafia, do you think dice's tunnel of him today is something he couldn't or wouldn't do as Mafia?

 

I think it's well within Dice's scum range to tunnel a survivor. There are a lot of other things here that aren't though (I think you got them mostly right, but I can spell some of them out for you just to see if we're on the same wavelength).

[csarmi]

He is quite adamant about the Tommy lynch BTW. I dont oppose it.

[Cory Caboose]

csarmi like i love you brah but i'm sort of not interested in your take on dice's meta right now

[Cory Caboose]

csarmi who are the wolves?

let's say Tommy's a survivor.

 

who are they?

[csarmi]

I really want to look through Firefly for csarmi's scumgame since that was recent and he was higher-volume being in a hydra BUT THAKANDAR DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE TO ME

Fortunately i am town so you don't have to. I promise its a wasted effort.

 

My signature might contain some scum games but most are not recent.

[csarmi]

csarmi who are the wolves?

let's say Tommy's a survivor.

 

who are they?

Hoya.

Dunno who else.

 

Probably better to PoE. We will put smth together with Dice.

[Cory Caboose]

What do you think of Pral's list?

[csarmi]

@Pral - i am not interested in lynching survivors per se.

 

I wanna lynch Tommy cause

- Dice is very adamant about it and i trust his judgment very far

- his AIDS play

- he may be mafia here... He doesn't seem interested in helping town from what i see

- my opinion on survivor claims is not black and white. I like how Dice put it: it is up to trust. And game situation. Its a dynamic thing. There is no answer on survivors that's always right.

[csarmi]

I don't like Pral's list. Sounds too mechanical, forced to me. It reads too clean with no emotions no patience.