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  On 11/11/2014 at 3:58 PM, Songstress said:

I want to start off by saying I'm having a pretty serious case of mindmeld with Despo today, which used to be a flashing 
 
red light sign.
 
Des, remember back in the good old days when the only way I knew you were town was if you said something outrageously 
 
slap-me-in-the-face scummy that made me want to lynch you pronto, and if I found myself nodding and agreeing with you you 
 
were almost certainly scum?  I really hope you haven't reverted to your old ways, because i'm liking how you're thinking 
 
overall so far.
 
I'm less confident on my reads than this POE, but find myself agreeing with many of them - the blues especially.  On the 
 
scum lean end of things, I am most in agreement with Sili, the others I am not sure enough to categorize without a full 
 
reread, and a lot more thinking.

 
This was her first gameplay post of the game. I found it interesting that she started off with buddying Des and it looked 
 
like she was trying to pocket him early.
 

  On 11/11/2014 at 4:06 PM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/11/2014 at 8:41 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

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^^^Incredibly opportunistic votes. Arsis fos's and argues with Nyn a bit, but doesn't actually vote her until Wombat does 
 
so, and then Sili attempts to hop on the bandwagon after already saying his vote doesn't represent any intent to lynch 
 
anyone (which is scummy as hell btw)
 

 

 

Despi, mate, my votes don't matter this early on, and i promise to be more conservative when it does matter. right 
 
now though, there's no harm in enhancing a wagon and observing the aftermath.
 
i would prefer to do this until i have a feel for the game and the participants.

 

 
Re: the bolded.
 
Problem is that due to the lynch rules in this game, your votes DO matter this early on, or they can if there's a tie at 
 
EOD.  You vote someone, a few other people vote, even if you unvote later, as long as they haven't lost the lead when 
 
deadline hits that "enhancing a wagon" bit you think doesn't matter could be the difference in who dies.
 
I'm not saying you shouldn't vote, by any means, but don't make the mistake of thinking your vote doesn't matter this 
 
early, because it very well can.

 

 
Then she started a counter-argument at SIli - who at the time was the leading vote. this, in itself, is not a bad looking 
 
post but given that she started to vote SIli later in the game, it looked really suspect as if she was trying to FoS him.
 

  On 11/11/2014 at 4:31 PM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/11/2014 at 4:25 PM, Despothera said:

Firstly Salami is by FAR not the derpest player since EP, there are MANY players who derp more regularly than him. Heck, 
 
I'm prob one of them.

 
I do have to agree with this
 
Seriously, though, Salami is routinely underestimated.  When he's town, his reads are really quite excellent.  People may 
 
not agree with his methodology for arriving at his conclusions and blast him repeatedly for some of his reasoning, but the 
 
results are what they are, and he's right a heck of a lot more often than I am.

 

 
More pocketing Des
 

  On 11/14/2014 at 12:33 AM, Songstress said:

I'm completely fine with a Sili lynch, as previously indicated he's in my bottom two.
 
[V]##Sili

 

 
Then she votes Sili which looked really oportunistic. Especially after the reasoning that she gave in her earlier post 
 
that it was more of a gut feel
 

  On 11/13/2014 at 5:09 PM, Songstress said:

Top scum leans:
 
SIli - More gut feeling than anything specific, although I remember reading several posts that made me say "whoa there" 
 
and I could probably go back and pick them out if needed.  Willing to lynch.
 
DPR - I hate the thought of lynching Wes D1 when he's been gone for a while, but I'm seriously uncomfortable with his play 
 
so far, specifically how he's been interacting with Des and Cass.

 

  On 11/15/2014 at 3:44 AM, Songstress said:

A few quick takes based on the day/night results and discussion so far...
 
Des is still firmly on my town list.
 
Womby bumps down a notch.
 
Pral jumps up to tentative town - based on Despo's Yates Spew Analysis in part, but also because I don't see Scum!Pral 
 
dropping his push on me after realizing Yates never mentioned me in his reads list.  
 
DPR still looks sketchy to me.
 
Rags still looks pretty townie.
 
Little less sure of Thane.
 
I need to re-read and recalibrate, and tomorrow will be a fine, fine day for that.  Tonight is for unwinding from a long, 
 
stressful week.  Expect more activity from me for the next two days.

 
Day 2 - she clears me after I town spewing her. This actually lokoed townish for Tress because I would have expected scum 
 
to go hard against me for that 
 

  On 11/18/2014 at 5:14 PM, Songstress said:

Just for grins, let's do this first... 
 

  On 11/13/2014 at 5:09 PM, Songstress said:

Fairly comfortable town reads:
 
DesLami 
Kivam

 
- Wolf N1 Vig - Lynched D2
 

 

WWWwombat
 
- Seer - Killed N2
Nyn
 
 
Townish vibe:
 
Yates. - Wolf 
 
Godfather - Killed N1
Rags
Thane
 
Null/mixed/no clue:
 
Dice
AJ
Leelou
 
- Vanillager - Killed N1
 

Verbal32 / Barmacral Hydra
 
- Vanillager - Killed N2
Cass 
Stelio Kontos - 
 
Jailkeeper - Killed N1
Hallia
 
Mildly uncomfortable:
 
Arsis/Pral
Krakalakachkn
 
- Wolf N2 Vig - Killed N2
 

Darthe
 
No specifics for these guys, just a gut level discomfort that I can probably go back and make less nebulous this weekend.
 
Top scum leans:
 
Sili Quirrels
 
- Vanillager - Lynched D1
 

DreadPirateRoberts
 
- Vanillager - Killed N2
 

 
Good God, I'm on a roll.  At least one of my top town picks was town.
 
Revised version to come later.
 
Her jokey post how she was wrong on her reads looked weird. It kind of looked forced, as if trying to justify that she is 
 
really town.
 

  On 11/18/2014 at 5:31 PM, Songstress said:

Kinda find it interesting that you'd assume Kivam of all people would toss out a random town read on a teammate for no 
 
apparent reason. 
 
I'd say AJ or Cass would be a better place to look, but I don't know that he'd be that obvious either.  Pretty sure 
 
everything Kivam said should be disregarded entirely, because hello WIFOM.  We're more likely to get clues to the last 
 
mafia from Yates and Krak.
 
Hallia's analysis looks pretty legit, I can see where she's coming from - but if Thane is right, and he's being set up, my 
 
gut tells me Nyn is a good place to look for the final mafia.
 
DesLami is my top pick for SK right now.
 
Have to run to the bank on the way to work so I'm out of time for this morning.  I'll see how I feel tonight and elaborate 
 
more.  I'll try to catch any questions for me later, if there are any aside from people implying I'm scum for being 
 
inactive and/or being wrong.

 
After that she had Nyn for the top scum and Des for the SK. Her reasoning about Kivam looked pretty townie though. But 
 
again, "gut suspect" 
 

  On 11/18/2014 at 8:30 PM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/18/2014 at 5:44 PM, Andrej said:

Probably not moving my vote.
 
I love how you defend yourself with wifom irt Kivam's read on you and then next say that said wifom should be ignored 
 
because it's unreliable. I'll do just that.
 
When did Salamipot go from your top town read to your most likely SK candidate?

 
Didn't ask you to move your vote, sweetcheeks.
 
The beautiful thing is that I win with town regardless of whether I'm alive or not. Not saying I deserve it, but we can 
 
afford to mislynch today if that's what y'all want.
 
I have until Thursday night regardless, so I'm going to do my best to think coherently and post things that occur to me. 
 
My time is extremely limited at work and I think I've been as clear as I need to be about the rest of my situation, so I 
 
don't know how much I'll be able to contribute or how useful it will be, but I intend to try regardless of how many people 
 
want me to die today.
 
Lunch break is over, I'll try to look for questions later and respond. Help me not to forget this one.

 

 
This kind of frustrated post makes her look lot townish. Offering hersef for mislynch and also tryign to remedy the 
 
sitauation looks good on her. 
 
And, after that, she actually puts effort to get out her reads. 
 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:24 AM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/19/2014 at 5:29 PM, csarmi said:

I... You look kind of wolfy to me.
 
*Blushes*
 
Also what did you mean yesterday?
 
And do you have an analysis?
 
And how do you feel about Thane?

 
What did I mean by...?  
 
Analysis:  Without going back and fully re-reading, the people I feel most likely to be the last mafia would be 
 
potentially Thane, Nyn or Cass.  Top townies are Hally, AJ, Dice.   Pral I give townie points for unvoting me when he did 
 
after analyzing Yates' posts - I don't expect him to back off of me if he's scum for a reason like that.  I could be way 
 
off base, but it's a slight town lean nonetheless.  Rags and DesLami are question marks/mixed for me ATM.
 
Re: Thane, I can't decide whether Hally's point that Yates and Krak both tried to defend him D1 means he is more likely to 
 
be a teammate, or it was a group effort at white knighting.  If the intent was to look better in the event of a D1 
 
mislynch, I can see Nyn's careful neutrality as possibly being a counter position to the other two more overtly defending. 
 
  Or I could be completely off on both of them.   I've done a crapload of skimming and my thread recall is terrible at the 
 
moment.

 

 
I think she is on the right track in this post. Especially regarding Thane
 

  On 11/20/2014 at 7:02 AM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:43 AM, Andrej said:

@Tress - if you had the sole lynching power to hammer someone in this instant, who would you pick and why?

 
That's as good as asking me who I'd vig shoot, isn't it, and you guys know how much I LOVE having that role
 
I'm leaning toward Nyn at the moment. 
 
Originally I got a pretty good town vibe from how she handled Thane early game, but when I went back during my aborted 
 
re-read over the weekend I took a fresh look at that, and it didn't read quite as townie to me as the original impression. 
 
 I liked Hally's points about how Yates and Krak defended Thane, but when Thane brought up that they could have been 
 
defending him to look better against the extreme likelihood of his D1 lynch, I started reconsidering how Nyn had tried to 
 
stay neutral.  She and Yates had a little back and forth trying to nudge at me, which I skimmed over at the time, but 
 
knowing Yates' alignment kind of feels iffy.  Her Verb and Barm ISOs also looked pretty all right without going back to 
 
compare against the actual posts, but I thought Verb had actually done a good job of responding (which is why I didn't 
 
jump in to vote Verb late day - that and the fact that I hadn't fully caught up and it was just a few minutes from 
 
deadline by the time I had free time to post at all).   And her "LOL is apparently a scum tell" post reminded me of how 
 
she's reacted in the past when she's scum and people FOS her over stuff that she doesn't think should be considered a scum 
 
tell (thinking of the most recent Harry Potter game IIRC).

 

 
She started tinfoiling on Nyn at this point.SOme of her points are fine because other saw it too. Personally I found Nyn's 
 
post against verb/bram to be looking quite townish. This doesn't give a lot of reveal of Terss' alignment though
 
 

  On 11/20/2014 at 11:59 PM, Songstress said:

Lots of people gone for the rest of the day.
 
I'll be checking in as time permits until deadline. On my phone so paging back and finding quotes will be a no-go, but if 
 
there's anything I need to address I will.
 
As of right now it's pretty pointless, but I'll put it on record and vote with my best guess. I think the last remaining 
 
mafia would (and should) be fighting pretty hard to stay alive, if they're even under suspicion at all. That doesn't jibe 
 
with Rags' behavior right now. He could be the SK and just have given up on this game, I guess, but I would be shocked if 
 
he was mafia.
 
[v]##Cass [/v]

 
That was a decent vote by Tress on Cass. Her point about Rags is likely to come from a townie. Granted that she could be 
 
trying to distance from a town lynch, but it doesn't exactly look like that. 
 

 
So, essentially what I see on Tress was her extremely suspect posts on D1 and D2, which actually gets better as the game progresses. She could be, as she herself said, "fighting pretty hard to stay alive". She is probably scum but I have bigger suspicions on thane at the moment

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  On 11/11/2014 at 3:58 PM, Songstress said:

I want to start off by saying I'm having a pretty serious case of mindmeld with Despo today, which used to be a flashing

red light sign.
 
Des, remember back in the good old days when the only way I knew you were town was if you said something outrageously

slap-me-in-the-face scummy that made me want to lynch you pronto, and if I found myself nodding and agreeing with you you

were almost certainly scum?  I really hope you haven't reverted to your old ways, because i'm liking how you're thinking

overall so far.
 
I'm less confident on my reads than this POE, but find myself agreeing with many of them - the blues especially.  On the

scum lean end of things, I am most in agreement with Sili, the others I am not sure enough to categorize without a full

reread, and a lot more thinking.

This was her first gameplay post of the game. I found it interesting that she started off with buddying Des and it looked

like she was trying to pocket him early.
 

  On 11/11/2014 at 4:06 PM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/11/2014 at 8:41 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

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^^^Incredibly opportunistic votes. Arsis fos's and argues with Nyn a bit, but doesn't actually vote her until Wombat does

so, and then Sili attempts to hop on the bandwagon after already saying his vote doesn't represent any intent to lynch

anyone (which is scummy as hell btw)
 

 

 

Despi, mate, my votes don't matter this early on, and i promise to be more conservative when it does matter. right

now though, there's no harm in enhancing a wagon and observing the aftermath.
 
i would prefer to do this until i have a feel for the game and the participants.

 

 
Re: the bolded.
 
Problem is that due to the lynch rules in this game, your votes DO matter this early on, or they can if there's a tie at

EOD.  You vote someone, a few other people vote, even if you unvote later, as long as they haven't lost the lead when

deadline hits that "enhancing a wagon" bit you think doesn't matter could be the difference in who dies.
 
I'm not saying you shouldn't vote, by any means, but don't make the mistake of thinking your vote doesn't matter this

early, because it very well can.

 

Then she started a counter-argument at SIli - who at the time was the leading vote. this, in itself, is not a bad looking

post but given that she started to vote SIli later in the game, it looked really suspect as if she was trying to FoS him.
 

  On 11/11/2014 at 4:31 PM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/11/2014 at 4:25 PM, Despothera said:

Firstly Salami is by FAR not the derpest player since EP, there are MANY players who derp more regularly than him. Heck,

I'm prob one of them.

I do have to agree with this
 
Seriously, though, Salami is routinely underestimated.  When he's town, his reads are really quite excellent.  People may

not agree with his methodology for arriving at his conclusions and blast him repeatedly for some of his reasoning, but the

results are what they are, and he's right a heck of a lot more often than I am.

 

More pocketing Des
 

  On 11/14/2014 at 12:33 AM, Songstress said:

I'm completely fine with a Sili lynch, as previously indicated he's in my bottom two.

[v]##Sili

Then she votes Sili which looked really oportunistic. Especially after the reasoning that she gave in her earlier post

that it was more of a gut feel
 

  On 11/13/2014 at 5:09 PM, Songstress said:

Top scum leans:
 
SIli - More gut feeling than anything specific, although I remember reading several posts that made me say "whoa there"

and I could probably go back and pick them out if needed.  Willing to lynch.
 
DPR - I hate the thought of lynching Wes D1 when he's been gone for a while, but I'm seriously uncomfortable with his play

so far, specifically how he's been interacting with Des and Cass.

  On 11/15/2014 at 3:44 AM, Songstress said:

A few quick takes based on the day/night results and discussion so far...
 
Des is still firmly on my town list.
 
Womby bumps down a notch.
 
Pral jumps up to tentative town - based on Despo's Yates Spew Analysis in part, but also because I don't see Scum!Pral

dropping his push on me after realizing Yates never mentioned me in his reads list.  
 
DPR still looks sketchy to me.
 
Rags still looks pretty townie.
 
Little less sure of Thane.
 
I need to re-read and recalibrate, and tomorrow will be a fine, fine day for that.  Tonight is for unwinding from a long,

stressful week.  Expect more activity from me for the next two days.

Day 2 - she clears me after I town spewing her. This actually lokoed townish for Tress because I would have expected scum

to go hard against me for that
 

  On 11/18/2014 at 5:14 PM, Songstress said:

Just for grins, let's do this first... 
 

Good God, I'm on a roll.  At least one of my top town picks was town.
 
Revised version to come later.

Her jokey post how she was wrong on her reads looked weird. It kind of looked forced, as if trying to justify that she is

really town.
 

  On 11/18/2014 at 5:31 PM, Songstress said:

Kinda find it interesting that you'd assume Kivam of all people would toss out a random town read on a teammate for no

apparent reason. 
 
I'd say AJ or Cass would be a better place to look, but I don't know that he'd be that obvious either.  Pretty sure

everything Kivam said should be disregarded entirely, because hello WIFOM.  We're more likely to get clues to the last

mafia from Yates and Krak.
 
Hallia's analysis looks pretty legit, I can see where she's coming from - but if Thane is right, and he's being set up, my

gut tells me Nyn is a good place to look for the final mafia.
 
DesLami is my top pick for SK right now.
 
Have to run to the bank on the way to work so I'm out of time for this morning.  I'll see how I feel tonight and elaborate

more.  I'll try to catch any questions for me later, if there are any aside from people implying I'm scum for being

inactive and/or being wrong.

After that she had Nyn for the top scum and Des for the SK. Her reasoning about Kivam looked pretty townie though. But

again, "gut suspect"
 

  On 11/18/2014 at 8:30 PM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/18/2014 at 5:44 PM, Andrej said:

Probably not moving my vote.

I love how you defend yourself with wifom irt Kivam's read on you and then next say that said wifom should be ignored

because it's unreliable. I'll do just that.

When did Salamipot go from your top town read to your most likely SK candidate?

Didn't ask you to move your vote, sweetcheeks.

The beautiful thing is that I win with town regardless of whether I'm alive or not. Not saying I deserve it, but we can

afford to mislynch today if that's what y'all want.

I have until Thursday night regardless, so I'm going to do my best to think coherently and post things that occur to me.

My time is extremely limited at work and I think I've been as clear as I need to be about the rest of my situation, so I

don't know how much I'll be able to contribute or how useful it will be, but I intend to try regardless of how many people

want me to die today.

Lunch break is over, I'll try to look for questions later and respond. Help me not to forget this one.

 

This kind of frustrated post makes her look lot townish. Offering hersef for mislynch and also tryign to remedy the

sitauation looks good on her.

And, after that, she actually puts effort to get out her reads.
 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:24 AM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/19/2014 at 5:29 PM, csarmi said:

I... You look kind of wolfy to me.

*Blushes*

Also what did you mean yesterday?

And do you have an analysis?

And how do you feel about Thane?

 
What did I mean by...?  
 
Analysis:  Without going back and fully re-reading, the people I feel most likely to be the last mafia would be

potentially Thane, Nyn or Cass.  Top townies are Hally, AJ, Dice.   Pral I give townie points for unvoting me when he did

after analyzing Yates' posts - I don't expect him to back off of me if he's scum for a reason like that.  I could be way

off base, but it's a slight town lean nonetheless.  Rags and DesLami are question marks/mixed for me ATM.
 
Re: Thane, I can't decide whether Hally's point that Yates and Krak both tried to defend him D1 means he is more likely to

be a teammate, or it was a group effort at white knighting.  If the intent was to look better in the event of a D1

mislynch, I can see Nyn's careful neutrality as possibly being a counter position to the other two more overtly defending.

  Or I could be completely off on both of them.   I've done a crapload of skimming and my thread recall is terrible at the

moment.

 

I think she is on the right track in this post. Especially regarding Thane
 

  On 11/20/2014 at 7:02 AM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:43 AM, Andrej said:

@Tress - if you had the sole lynching power to hammer someone in this instant, who would you pick and why?

 
That's as good as asking me who I'd vig shoot, isn't it, and you guys know how much I LOVE having that role
 
I'm leaning toward Nyn at the moment.
 
Originally I got a pretty good town vibe from how she handled Thane early game, but when I went back during my aborted

re-read over the weekend I took a fresh look at that, and it didn't read quite as townie to me as the original impression.

 I liked Hally's points about how Yates and Krak defended Thane, but when Thane brought up that they could have been

defending him to look better against the extreme likelihood of his D1 lynch, I started reconsidering how Nyn had tried to

stay neutral.  She and Yates had a little back and forth trying to nudge at me, which I skimmed over at the time, but

knowing Yates' alignment kind of feels iffy.  Her Verb and Barm ISOs also looked pretty all right without going back to

compare against the actual posts, but I thought Verb had actually done a good job of responding (which is why I didn't

jump in to vote Verb late day - that and the fact that I hadn't fully caught up and it was just a few minutes from

deadline by the time I had free time to post at all).   And her "LOL is apparently a scum tell" post reminded me of how

she's reacted in the past when she's scum and people FOS her over stuff that she doesn't think should be considered a scum

tell (thinking of the most recent Harry Potter game IIRC).

 

She started tinfoiling on Nyn at this point.SOme of her points are fine because other saw it too. Personally I found Nyn's

post against verb/bram to be looking quite townish. This doesn't give a lot of reveal of Terss' alignment though

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 11:59 PM, Songstress said:

Lots of people gone for the rest of the day.

I'll be checking in as time permits until deadline. On my phone so paging back and finding quotes will be a no-go, but if

there's anything I need to address I will.

As of right now it's pretty pointless, but I'll put it on record and vote with my best guess. I think the last remaining

mafia would (and should) be fighting pretty hard to stay alive, if they're even under suspicion at all. That doesn't jibe

with Rags' behavior right now. He could be the SK and just have given up on this game, I guess, but I would be shocked if

he was mafia.

[v]##Cass [/v]

That was a decent vote by Tress on Cass. Her point about Rags is likely to come from a townie. Granted that she could be

trying to distance from a town lynch, but it doesn't exactly look like that.

So, essentially what I see on Tress was her extremely suspect posts on D1 and D2, which actually gets better as the game

progresses. She could be, as she herself said, "fighting pretty hard to stay alive". She is probably scum but I hae bigger

suspicions on thane at the moment

[Darthe]

  On 11/23/2014 at 3:18 AM, Songstress said:

 

Darthe has been raising my eyebrows today with the amount of aggression he's piling on Pral, Dice and Hallia, but it occurred to me while I was thinking about the game in the shower that this may well be Town!Darthe trying to get a rise out of some of the players he's trying to read better.  Not ready to toss him in the scum pile just now, because this kinda makes sense in a twisted Dartheish way.

 

I hadn't gotten around to you yet but aggression probably wouldn't pan out as well with you anyhow.  Too much experience and comfort under pressure.  

 

You've fairly admitted to having a sucky D1 and D2.  That's probably going to be used against you through the rest of the game.  Is there anything you've done that you think points to you being town in those days?

[Songstress]

  On 11/23/2014 at 8:35 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/23/2014 at 3:18 AM, Songstress said:

 

Darthe has been raising my eyebrows today with the amount of aggression he's piling on Pral, Dice and Hallia, but it occurred to me while I was thinking about the game in the shower that this may well be Town!Darthe trying to get a rise out of some of the players he's trying to read better.  Not ready to toss him in the scum pile just now, because this kinda makes sense in a twisted Dartheish way.

 

I hadn't gotten around to you yet but aggression probably wouldn't pan out as well with you anyhow.  Too much experience and comfort under pressure.  

 

You've fairly admitted to having a sucky D1 and D2.  That's probably going to be used against you through the rest of the game.  Is there anything you've done that you think points to you being town in those days?

 

 

With me, I'd either ignore it or you'd hit a nerve and I'd emo out anyway.  Hazards of playing while sick.  At least this game I managed to avoid a major PMS attack, and I didn't start the game being cranky at Tommy

 

All I can say about D1 and 2, as for the whole game so far, is that I've said what I honestly think - whether or not it's terribly clear or makes a lick of sense, or anyone agrees with it.  I've had a pretty rotten game, to be quite frank, but I'm trying to push myself to be more clear now that we're getting down to the end.  I can't go back and fix the first couple of game days to play it better, I can only try to explain what I was thinking to be more transparent for the rest of you.  You guys are the ones who have to judge whether or not I'm being honest or trying to manipulate you.

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  On 11/23/2014 at 6:44 PM, Pralaya said:

Wow, that came out bad. Posting it again.

 

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  On 11/11/2014 at 3:58 PM, Songstress said:

I want to start off by saying I'm having a pretty serious case of mindmeld with Despo today, which used to be a flashing

 

red light sign.

 

Des, remember back in the good old days when the only way I knew you were town was if you said something outrageously

 

slap-me-in-the-face scummy that made me want to lynch you pronto, and if I found myself nodding and agreeing with you you

 

were almost certainly scum?  I really hope you haven't reverted to your old ways, because i'm liking how you're thinking

 

overall so far.

 

I'm less confident on my reads than this POE, but find myself agreeing with many of them - the blues especially.  On the

 

scum lean end of things, I am most in agreement with Sili, the others I am not sure enough to categorize without a full

 

reread, and a lot more thinking.

This was her first gameplay post of the game. I found it interesting that she started off with buddying Des and it looked

 

like she was trying to pocket him early.

 

  On 11/11/2014 at 4:06 PM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/11/2014 at 8:41 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  Quote

^^^Incredibly opportunistic votes. Arsis fos's and argues with Nyn a bit, but doesn't actually vote her until Wombat does

 

so, and then Sili attempts to hop on the bandwagon after already saying his vote doesn't represent any intent to lynch

 

anyone (which is scummy as hell btw)

 

 

 

Despi, mate, my votes don't matter this early on, and i promise to be more conservative when it does matter. right

 

now though, there's no harm in enhancing a wagon and observing the aftermath.

 

i would prefer to do this until i have a feel for the game and the participants.

 

 

Re: the bolded.

 

Problem is that due to the lynch rules in this game, your votes DO matter this early on, or they can if there's a tie at

 

EOD.  You vote someone, a few other people vote, even if you unvote later, as long as they haven't lost the lead when

 

deadline hits that "enhancing a wagon" bit you think doesn't matter could be the difference in who dies.

 

I'm not saying you shouldn't vote, by any means, but don't make the mistake of thinking your vote doesn't matter this

 

early, because it very well can.

 

Then she started a counter-argument at SIli - who at the time was the leading vote. this, in itself, is not a bad looking

 

post but given that she started to vote SIli later in the game, it looked really suspect as if she was trying to FoS him.

 

  On 11/11/2014 at 4:31 PM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/11/2014 at 4:25 PM, Despothera said:

Firstly Salami is by FAR not the derpest player since EP, there are MANY players who derp more regularly than him. Heck,

 

I'm prob one of them.

I do have to agree with this

 

Seriously, though, Salami is routinely underestimated.  When he's town, his reads are really quite excellent.  People may

 

not agree with his methodology for arriving at his conclusions and blast him repeatedly for some of his reasoning, but the

 

results are what they are, and he's right a heck of a lot more often than I am.

 

More pocketing Des

 

  On 11/14/2014 at 12:33 AM, Songstress said:

I'm completely fine with a Sili lynch, as previously indicated he's in my bottom two.

 

[v]##Sili

 

Then she votes Sili which looked really oportunistic. Especially after the reasoning that she gave in her earlier post

 

that it was more of a gut feel

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 5:09 PM, Songstress said:

Top scum leans:

 

SIli - More gut feeling than anything specific, although I remember reading several posts that made me say "whoa there"

 

and I could probably go back and pick them out if needed.  Willing to lynch.

 

DPR - I hate the thought of lynching Wes D1 when he's been gone for a while, but I'm seriously uncomfortable with his play

 

so far, specifically how he's been interacting with Des and Cass.

  On 11/15/2014 at 3:44 AM, Songstress said:

A few quick takes based on the day/night results and discussion so far...

 

Des is still firmly on my town list.

 

Womby bumps down a notch.

 

Pral jumps up to tentative town - based on Despo's Yates Spew Analysis in part, but also because I don't see Scum!Pral

 

dropping his push on me after realizing Yates never mentioned me in his reads list.  

 

DPR still looks sketchy to me.

 

Rags still looks pretty townie.

 

Little less sure of Thane.

 

I need to re-read and recalibrate, and tomorrow will be a fine, fine day for that.  Tonight is for unwinding from a long,

 

stressful week.  Expect more activity from me for the next two days.

Day 2 - she clears me after I town spewing her. This actually lokoed townish for Tress because I would have expected scum

 

to go hard against me for that

 

  On 11/18/2014 at 5:14 PM, Songstress said:

Just for grins, let's do this first... 

 

 

Good God, I'm on a roll.  At least one of my top town picks was town.

 

Revised version to come later.

Her jokey post how she was wrong on her reads looked weird. It kind of looked forced, as if trying to justify that she is

 

really town.

 

  On 11/18/2014 at 5:31 PM, Songstress said:

Kinda find it interesting that you'd assume Kivam of all people would toss out a random town read on a teammate for no

 

apparent reason. 

 

I'd say AJ or Cass would be a better place to look, but I don't know that he'd be that obvious either.  Pretty sure

 

everything Kivam said should be disregarded entirely, because hello WIFOM.  We're more likely to get clues to the last

 

mafia from Yates and Krak.

 

Hallia's analysis looks pretty legit, I can see where she's coming from - but if Thane is right, and he's being set up, my

 

gut tells me Nyn is a good place to look for the final mafia.

 

DesLami is my top pick for SK right now.

 

Have to run to the bank on the way to work so I'm out of time for this morning.  I'll see how I feel tonight and elaborate

 

more.  I'll try to catch any questions for me later, if there are any aside from people implying I'm scum for being

 

inactive and/or being wrong.

After that she had Nyn for the top scum and Des for the SK. Her reasoning about Kivam looked pretty townie though. But

 

again, "gut suspect"

 

  On 11/18/2014 at 8:30 PM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/18/2014 at 5:44 PM, Andrej said:

Probably not moving my vote.

 

I love how you defend yourself with wifom irt Kivam's read on you and then next say that said wifom should be ignored

 

because it's unreliable. I'll do just that.

 

When did Salamipot go from your top town read to your most likely SK candidate?

Didn't ask you to move your vote, sweetcheeks.

 

The beautiful thing is that I win with town regardless of whether I'm alive or not. Not saying I deserve it, but we can

 

afford to mislynch today if that's what y'all want.

 

I have until Thursday night regardless, so I'm going to do my best to think coherently and post things that occur to me.

 

My time is extremely limited at work and I think I've been as clear as I need to be about the rest of my situation, so I

 

don't know how much I'll be able to contribute or how useful it will be, but I intend to try regardless of how many people

 

want me to die today.

 

Lunch break is over, I'll try to look for questions later and respond. Help me not to forget this one.

 

This kind of frustrated post makes her look lot townish. Offering hersef for mislynch and also tryign to remedy the

 

sitauation looks good on her.

 

And, after that, she actually puts effort to get out her reads.

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:24 AM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/19/2014 at 5:29 PM, csarmi said:

I... You look kind of wolfy to me.

 

*Blushes*

 

Also what did you mean yesterday?

 

And do you have an analysis?

 

And how do you feel about Thane?

 

What did I mean by...?  

 

Analysis:  Without going back and fully re-reading, the people I feel most likely to be the last mafia would be

 

potentially Thane, Nyn or Cass.  Top townies are Hally, AJ, Dice.   Pral I give townie points for unvoting me when he did

 

after analyzing Yates' posts - I don't expect him to back off of me if he's scum for a reason like that.  I could be way

 

off base, but it's a slight town lean nonetheless.  Rags and DesLami are question marks/mixed for me ATM.

 

Re: Thane, I can't decide whether Hally's point that Yates and Krak both tried to defend him D1 means he is more likely to

 

be a teammate, or it was a group effort at white knighting.  If the intent was to look better in the event of a D1

 

mislynch, I can see Nyn's careful neutrality as possibly being a counter position to the other two more overtly defending.

 

  Or I could be completely off on both of them.   I've done a crapload of skimming and my thread recall is terrible at the

 

moment.

 

I think she is on the right track in this post. Especially regarding Thane

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 7:02 AM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:43 AM, Andrej said:

@Tress - if you had the sole lynching power to hammer someone in this instant, who would you pick and why?

 

That's as good as asking me who I'd vig shoot, isn't it, and you guys know how much I LOVE having that role

 

I'm leaning toward Nyn at the moment.

 

Originally I got a pretty good town vibe from how she handled Thane early game, but when I went back during my aborted

 

re-read over the weekend I took a fresh look at that, and it didn't read quite as townie to me as the original impression.

 

 I liked Hally's points about how Yates and Krak defended Thane, but when Thane brought up that they could have been

 

defending him to look better against the extreme likelihood of his D1 lynch, I started reconsidering how Nyn had tried to

 

stay neutral.  She and Yates had a little back and forth trying to nudge at me, which I skimmed over at the time, but

 

knowing Yates' alignment kind of feels iffy.  Her Verb and Barm ISOs also looked pretty all right without going back to

 

compare against the actual posts, but I thought Verb had actually done a good job of responding (which is why I didn't

 

jump in to vote Verb late day - that and the fact that I hadn't fully caught up and it was just a few minutes from

 

deadline by the time I had free time to post at all).   And her "LOL is apparently a scum tell" post reminded me of how

 

she's reacted in the past when she's scum and people FOS her over stuff that she doesn't think should be considered a scum

 

tell (thinking of the most recent Harry Potter game IIRC).

 

She started tinfoiling on Nyn at this point.SOme of her points are fine because other saw it too. Personally I found Nyn's

 

post against verb/bram to be looking quite townish. This doesn't give a lot of reveal of Terss' alignment though

 

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 11:59 PM, Songstress said:

Lots of people gone for the rest of the day.

 

I'll be checking in as time permits until deadline. On my phone so paging back and finding quotes will be a no-go, but if

 

there's anything I need to address I will.

 

As of right now it's pretty pointless, but I'll put it on record and vote with my best guess. I think the last remaining

 

mafia would (and should) be fighting pretty hard to stay alive, if they're even under suspicion at all. That doesn't jibe

 

with Rags' behavior right now. He could be the SK and just have given up on this game, I guess, but I would be shocked if

 

he was mafia.

 

[v]##Cass [/v]

That was a decent vote by Tress on Cass. Her point about Rags is likely to come from a townie. Granted that she could be

 

trying to distance from a town lynch, but it doesn't exactly look like that.

 

 

 

 

So, essentially what I see on Tress was her extremely suspect posts on D1 and D2, which actually gets better as the game

 

progresses. She could be, as she herself said, "fighting pretty hard to stay alive". She is probably scum but I hae bigger

 

suspicions on thane at the moment

 

 

Really.  

 

 

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  On 11/18/2014 at 8:30 PM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/18/2014 at 5:44 PM, Andrej said:

Probably not moving my vote.

 

I love how you defend yourself with wifom irt Kivam's read on you and then next say that said wifom should be ignored because it's unreliable. I'll do just that.

 

When did Salamipot go from your top town read to your most likely SK candidate?

 

Didn't ask you to move your vote, sweetcheeks.

 

The beautiful thing is that I win with town regardless of whether I'm alive or not. Not saying I deserve it, but we can afford to mislynch today if that's what y'all want.

 

I have until Thursday night regardless, so I'm going to do my best to think coherently and post things that occur to me. My time is extremely limited at work and I think I've been as clear as I need to be about the rest of my situation, so I don't know how much I'll be able to contribute or how useful it will be, but I intend to try regardless of how many people want me to die today.

 

Lunch break is over, I'll try to look for questions later and respond. Help me not to forget this one.

 

 

 

  On 11/19/2014 at 6:09 PM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/19/2014 at 5:46 PM, Darthe said:

Tress you know how much I hate when people give up.  Talk to me here, why are you behaving like this on thread (which I don't think I've ever seen from you) and why shouldn't you be lynched today?

 

I've made it as clear as it needs to be why I'm behaving like this.  Lynch me if you must, or shoot me tonight.  If it needs to be done, it needs to be done.  

 

I'll try to get to questions tonight, I'm really sorry but I'm out of time, accident on the freeway and I have to leave for work.  I'm feeling less great this morning than usual and in danger of getting emo anyway so it's best if I don't try to make myself late for work and respond right now.

 

 

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:09 AM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:50 AM, csarmi said:

@Dice - Des coming out guns blazing at daystart to say stupid things is not a scumtell. I disagree on the vigs claiming being a good idea and said so: not to make us look better but to make sure people don't take that advice

 

@Tress - I still have no idea whatsoever what you meant by "you know who I'm not'. Also, why does pointing out mechanical stuff like the named townies make you feel iffy?

 

Because, darlin', it's an open setup, and the town vigilantes are even night and odd night.  You mixed them up with the mafia vig roles apparently, which were N1 and N2.  The town vigs AREN'T just named townies at this point.  It looked to me (and maybe it was just my fuzzy brain making no sense, who knows) like you were fishing for them to speak up since they allegedly didn't have any more shots.

 

Maybe it makes no sense that I found that suspicious.  Maybe it makes no sense that I mentioned it at all.  I'm off my game for sure, which is why I'm not trying to change anyone's mind about today's lynch.

 

 

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:32 AM, Songstress said:

Yay, brain fail!

 

K, moving on from the dumb.

 

Any more questions before y'all kill me tomorrow?

 

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:51 AM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:41 AM, csarmi said:

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:32 AM, Songstress said:

Yay, brain fail!

 

K, moving on from the dumb.

 

Any more questions before y'all kill me tomorrow?

 

You wanna die?

 

Talk to me! Open your soul.

 

Give your impressions on people. The way you town.

 

 

I kinda do, yes, because I feel like I've been 99% useless and I dislike that feeling.  Stopping that line of thought before the PMS kicks in and the emo gets revved up.

 

 

 

 

I don't know if that's how you fight really hard to stay alive, but it's not how I fight.

 

I'm trying to be as open and clear with you guys as I can be, and answer your questions, because you deserve that much. And if I need to die to clarify things further and help town achieve the win, I don't mind at all.  Let's just not wait so long to do it that the mislynch hurts more than it helps narrowing things down.

[dicetosser1]

  On 11/23/2014 at 6:44 PM, Pralaya said:

That was a decent vote by Tress on Cass. Her point about Rags is likely to come from a townie. Granted that she could be

 

trying to distance from a town lynch, but it doesn't exactly look like that.

 

 

 

 

So, essentially what I see on Tress was her extremely suspect posts on D1 and D2, which actually gets better as the game

 

progresses. She could be, as she herself said, "fighting pretty hard to stay alive". She is probably scum but I hae bigger

 

suspicions on thane at the moment

 

This struck me as wrong. A) i think pral has a bit of confirmation bias happening here but b) is she is probably scum and you only have suspicions on thane why are'nt you voting her? You almost seem to shrug this "shes probably scum" bit off like its not worth your attention.

[Darthe]

@Laya

 

I went through your two previous games.  From what I can see you have a much more reactive town game than mafia game.  Your use of mechanical posts isn't pronounced in either but as a townie you are more inclined to be pragmatic and to target specific people rather than play the field in a general sense.  

 

What I draw from this is that you're playing a really good scum game or a really weak town game for you.  

 

I think the odds of Laya being scum in this particular game decrease based on what I have seen but that his SK chances go up a smidge.  Below I linked a few posts from each game that somewhat run the gamut so that anyone interested can read.  My take on it is that he currently falls somewhere in between the two, if slightly on the town side.

 

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  On 10/15/2014 at 6:58 PM, Pralaya said:

Caught up to 100 pages and looks like there is no way I am catching up the full game before deadline. The game is moving way faster that I can read - about 20-25 pages a day is what I can manage. 150 pages on D1 is insane.

Anyway, 50-100 pages, did give me better perspective on the players. Not all of them but many.

From my previous list, Nyn and Tommy look slightly better. My main gripe with Tommy was his going after easy targets which I did not see in pages 50-100. In fact, he tried looking at various angles which is what he usually does as town. However, his play in the first 50 pages does stay suspect. Same with Nyn as nothing stood out in the 50-100 part of the game.

I frankly don't see how people are seeing Leelou town here. Carrying from my earlier read, she is definitely not as active as she would have been town. In addition to the points I mentioned in my earlier post, the way she appeared and started nudging people didn't look good at all. One example,
 

  On 10/12/2014 at 9:21 PM, Leelou said:

 

  On 10/12/2014 at 9:17 PM, WWWwombat said:

I haven't played much mafia lately and apparently Salami has changed a bit, but I think Despo's right about Salami forcing his meta.  Doesn't it strike anyone else as a bit too extreme that every time Salami gets even the slightest bit of pressure he basically takes his ball and goes home?

 
He does that, sheeping, buddying and when questioned on his reads he either backpedals or claims lazy.

 

Nudging of Csarmi when Wombat comments about him. Definitely doesn't look like town Leelou here.

Talking of Wombat and Csarmi who dominated in page 50-100, I stick to my town read on both of them. There is no way Csarmi post so much and so freely as scum. He is much more careful and restrained, like he was in the Spaceballs game. Wombat's posts have also looked townish.

I am fairly confident of my town reads.

The other person who I am feeling looked worse here is Sili. I noticed that he soft-hinted a PR but I don't buy it. His intrusion into the csarmi/wombat argument looked like kindling a fire. Things like setting up future lynches
 

  On 10/13/2014 at 4:33 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Something you need to know, but should already know is I am boastful and confident until i make mistakes. And I do make them but not enough to warrant a change in personality.
 
What csarmi said was predicated on you knowing him very well. In the off-chance you flip town, csarmi would be the next on my list.
 
I would prefer to investigate him by the way. I don't think being wrong necessitates a kill.

or taking the side of csarmi and going after Wombat and Clov did not sit well with me.

 

 

  On 10/18/2014 at 7:27 PM, Pralaya said:

Finally, with this Sili/Des situation and Sili probably might flip scum, I realise that I might be tinfoiling between either Tom or Nyn. I am pretty much locked on Hally and Leelou as scum at this point. Clearly Hally's wagon against Thane disappeared quite quickly and I do see a scum hand there. Not to mention her OMGUS reaction to my scumread on her did not look good. Same with Leelou but her Than vote, her nudges, her playstyle haven't looked great at all.

That means, if Sili or Des end up as scum, most likely former, I am wrong about both Nyn and Tom being scum.

Talking of Sili, I don't think his ninja comment was a slip. More like he is trying to attract a lynch. Not sure why.

 

 

  On 10/16/2014 at 1:32 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 10/16/2014 at 1:06 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 10/16/2014 at 9:45 AM, Pralaya said:

And, then Nyn and TOmmy vote to bring Thane as the leading wagon and push Hally to the background. In fact, Nyn takes extra effort to clear Hally and vote Thane who she said was gut town earlier.

 

I took extra care to ISO both thoroughly. He just looked worse than her, while her posts improved. It's as simple as that. The fact that you're not giving me props for my line of thought is ridiculous. But sure, focus on the outcome to throw dirt my way. After all townies NEVER get it wrong.  

 

 

You're so off this game it's just sad.

 

 

Clearly, I am not just looking it from the wagonomics perspective. It is a combination of what I felt while reading the game and adding those to the what happened during the D1 lynch. If it was just a matter of getting it wrong, then it isn't an issue. Like there were many more in the Thane wagon who I am town reading well.

 

You are just trying to misrep my intentions. One of the examples that I came across in your Thane vote

 

  On 10/15/2014 at 9:35 PM, Nynaeve said:

Later she unvotes and votes Pral. Pral does seem off. And he's being a bit more inactive than he usually is, which I'm not sure how to interpret. But he is on my null to scum list so I don't have any particular problem with this vote.

 

Really? I have 27 posts this game, which is probably a D1 record for me compared to any game. If anything, I am most active in this game on D1 than others. Twisting it to say that I am inactive is pure misrepping.

 

 

 

 

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  On 9/22/2014 at 10:31 AM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 9/22/2014 at 9:59 AM, Despothera said:

Sooooooo much wrong with these posts by Pray

 

1. Just because you did some of that type of stuff as scum in another game doesn't mean Arsis would be scum here- that just means you were doing a good job of blending in as scum there

2. You immediately contradict yourself because you seem to think Arsis shouldn't be cleared for the reasons I gave, except then you try and say Arsis WASN'T doing those things

3. Don't think you have NEAR enough of a handle on Arsis' meta to try and use that against him. I don't even have a firm grasp on his meta yet, and I'm pretty sure I'm in a better sport regarding that than you (more games with him, have modded him)

4. Following Turin a lot arent ya? Not just with trying to say Arsis is scummy, but also with the buzzword thing. HOW does "wagonomics" say Arsis is scum, after ONE lynch that turned out to be on a 3P?

5. Vos legit "slipped" and got himself lynched- people getting on board with his lynch weren't really bandwagoning just because they voted him. In fact, even when Arsis voted Vos he was STILL saying how he thought TI was likely scum.

 

Look at the difference between how Turin reacted to the Vos wagon and how Arsis reacted. Turin was voting Arsis at the time, then Tommy and I cleared Arsis, while somewhere around the same time noticing Vos' really bad post. Turin just dropped the Arsis thing completely, even tho the two people who cleared Arsis both were "suspects" for him. Arsis otoh was paying attention to multiple people, and also thought Turin was scum. He looked more like he was legit sold on Vos being scum, but continued to still voice his suspicion on Turin, didn't drop it like a dog who just found a juicier bone.

 

6. Tone wise it looks like you're doing something akin to the "Scum mad for being caught for wrong reasons" thing. You look more like you're mad that town are clearing each other for what you think aren't good reasons, not like you seriously have this big suspicion on Arsis. You're responding more to people clearing Arsis than trying to point out actual inconsistencies in his play or something. Wolfy

 

 

 

1. Yes, it doesn't mean that Arsis would do the same thing. However, what I am pointing out is that you cannot "LOCK CLEAR" someone over those simple reasons. You can read him as town, not a problem but lock clearing someone is ridiculous

2. I have more than just this to think Arsis is scum. I don't see where I am contradicting when I am just pointing out how your "LOCK CLEAR" reasons look bad

3. I have played 3-4 games with him and it is usually enough for me to get a handle on a meta. It is irrelevant  how much you have played with him

4. I have already explained how I think he is scummy based on wagonomics  in this post

  On 9/21/2014 at 7:32 PM, Pralaya said:

The votes that stand out in the vos train are Arsis and Darthe.

 

Arsis vote came at a time when the votes were closely tied and it was the point where it tipped towards Vos. Definitely trying to put the focus away from him. His vote was also meh. He just sheeped SlenderMan's and Des' arguments against vos.

 

5. Vos might have slipped. But, that was neither pointed out by Arsis or pursued by him. If you go back and look at his vote, he just sheeped the reasons for his vote off you and Slender. And, that is why it is opportunistic.

 

  On 9/22/2014 at 8:41 AM, Despothera said:

So apparently you're scum this game, huh Pray?

 

So, is this where you call those who disagrees with your reads as scum? We have had this before in other games and it usually turns out that I am right at the end of the day. Even had instances where I and Cory have just sheeped your reads as scum and you have lock cleared us as town. What can i say? You never learn. 

 

 

 

  On 9/21/2014 at 7:55 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 9/20/2014 at 6:39 AM, csarmi said:

I'd like everyone to make it absolutely clear whether they'd like TG to be healed. Before the day ends.

Thank you.

 

Frankly, I am surprised you are claiming healer. Because I thought you were scum before this. The reaction on D1 for TG's character claim (food-based) was totally different from what I was expecting as a town character (8 hours of sleep)

 

 

 

  On 9/21/2014 at 7:32 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 9/19/2014 at 1:10 AM, keyholder21 said:

Official Vote Count:

Arsis (3) – dice, Pral, Halligeddon, 
TI (3) –  GleMeri, nervositee, manbat
Nervositee (7) - Des, TheSlenderMan, TI, Arsis, Tomstress, AJ, Darthe
Halligeddon (3) - Yates, SickPuppets, Krak

 
Not Voting (1): Torrey_Smith's_Brother

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!

Majority was not met, but deadline was. Nervositee was lynched!


Scene incoming.

 
 
 
The votes that stand out in the vos train are Arsis and Darthe.
 
Arsis vote came at a time when the votes were closely tied and it was the point where it tipped towards Vos. Definitely trying to put the focus away from him. His vote was also meh. He just sheeped SlenderMan's and Des' arguments against vos.
 

  On 9/18/2014 at 10:51 PM, Arsis said:

[unvote] [v]vos[/v]
 
 
Pulling those quotes up actually convinced me.
 
I'm still scum lean on turi. Darthe also weirded me out by being being almost spot on with my meta and then saying I'm scum for being in my town meta.. It was just strange. Tsb is still scum if anyone is curious.

 
 
Darthe's votes came at the fag end of the day when it was almost sure that vos would be lynched. Looked more like an attempt to get brownie points. Irrespective of his vote, vos would have been lynched.

 

 

 

  On 9/18/2014 at 7:53 PM, Pralaya said:

Ok, caught up a bit more and Arsis seems as bad as I had him before. So, my vote stays there.

One more person who looked bad in my read-through was Hally. I know that it is hard to get a read on her but in a way, she is like me - silent on the initial days but gets good reads as the game progresses further. This game she is off in that she is very enthusiatic about giving her reads early and most of them liking the vocal posters and playing it safe.

Example - here and here where she starts off with how she likes Tommy, Des, Slender, Manbat and then settles on dice and puppets as the ones she doesn't like - here

Csarmi's reads are again with the crowd - consensual.

Something else that was interesting
 

  On 9/17/2014 at 1:46 AM, Hallia said:

 

  On 9/15/2014 at 5:34 PM, Tommyrod said:

So is everyone specific food items like TG's claim? I am not.

 And the softclaim that makes me think you're town.  Again.

 

Why? I know that i mentioned the same to Tommy and SP, but I have my reason. Csarmi's reaction to TG's softclaim of food and Hally's reaction to Tommy's softclaim of not-food sounds somehow opposite.
 

  On 9/15/2014 at 5:08 PM, csarmi said:

That's a yummy claim. Would eat.

I believe scum in Arsis, Yates, Halligeddon and one more in probably AJ/Darthe/TSB.

 

 

  On 9/17/2014 at 7:51 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 9/16/2014 at 8:46 PM, Tommyrod said:

Completely forgot about Pral. If you wanna see him as scum go find the twilight game. He was a mega lurker.

Well, technically speaking, I had as much posts in that game as I have had in all my games. Lurking isn't a scum tell for me but there are others - i am sure those who have played with me would know them.

Anyway, now caught up to 33 pages now. I have an hour a day, that's about what I can do.

AJ seems to be better than what I had him initially. His suspicions on SP looked genuine.
Talking of SP, I like his soft character claim, much similar to what Tommy said.
Also, like SlenderMans arguments about his targets and whom to vote.
Yates still seems to be playing very careful.

Didn't like this post by Arsis. Seems to be subtly suggesting a vig kill on TG.

  On 9/15/2014 at 11:05 PM, Arsis said:

I'm not going to vote for tg. I just believe him. I think that tsb is the way to go today. He's scummy.


If tg gets vigged to clear the wifom over the Miller claim. I wouldn't be upset.

So far, by page 33,

Ithi/Turin, Tommy, TG, Despo, SlenderMan for town
Yates, Arsis as scum
Csarmi, AJ, Manbat, Dice, TSB, Krak, Darthe, BodyBurner, SP - null so far

 

 

 

[Tommyrod]

Vote Count D4.01:

 

Pral (1): Darthe [#3440]

Darthe (1): Hallia [#3515]

 

Unvote (1): Deslami [#3488]

 

Not Voting (5): Cass, Dice, Pralaya, Thane, Tress

 

At the gallows: Pral

 

Reminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.

 

[Tommyrod]

Day ends in 24 hours.

[dicetosser1]

##votepral

[Cass]

Hey guys, reading along on phone at work today and yesterday was a crappy health day so sorry for inactivity.

 

Actually liking Pral more than Tress atm, still also have concerns about Deslami and Thane.

 

Re Darthe, does anyone know if he's usually one of the first to get all serious about things in the early game and if those big posts he did a couple of pages ago are his usual Town style?

[Darthe]

Dice are you voting because of 3556? 

 

@Cass, I get serious quickly or never get serious at all and I sometimes make big posts.  What makes you like Laya over Tress?

[Cass]

@ Darthe

 

In short, gut. Both of them have been making a bigger effort and more contributory posts of late, which helps some, but as well as 'basing' her major point against me on the activity of Kiv and Krak and the idea that I have been masterminded by Kiv, Tress is making some comments that seem over-obvious and over-emotive to me at this point (given how clinical the rest of her tone seems to be). Eg. 'the beautiful thing is I win with town regardless of whether I'm alive or not' (3026),' 'If I have to die...' 'You guys are the ones who have to judge whether or not I'm being honest or trying to manipulate you,' (3554).

 

It also doesn't help her case (in my mind) that since 2950, p 148, she suggested most likely scum were AJ or Nyn or I and those two have also flipped as Town.

 

Sorry, posting on phone sucks, will try to dig further/make this neater with links etc tonight.

[dicetosser1]

@darthe  yep.  something strikes me as off on that post.

[dicetosser1]

leaving work  more later

[Thane Vakarian]

i've read up a tad. Been busy this weekend and should be around some today. 

 

What i've been reading makes me wonder about Pral, again... 

 

vote:##Pral

 

i'm pretty certain he's either the wolf or the SK this game. i know i'll be getting heat again for once more voting Pral etc, but i don't care at this point. He needs to go. 

[dicetosser1]

@thane  why? what are your reasons?

[dicetosser1]

@darthe   also im kinda the opposite to cass. Im reading tress' "emo" as town tress. scum tress doesn't do that sorta stuff imo

[Pralaya]

  On 11/23/2014 at 11:28 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 11/23/2014 at 6:44 PM, Pralaya said:

That was a decent vote by Tress on Cass. Her point about Rags is likely to come from a townie. Granted that she could be

 

trying to distance from a town lynch, but it doesn't exactly look like that.

 

 

 

 

So, essentially what I see on Tress was her extremely suspect posts on D1 and D2, which actually gets better as the game

 

progresses. She could be, as she herself said, "fighting pretty hard to stay alive". She is probably scum but I hae bigger

 

suspicions on thane at the moment

 

This struck me as wrong. A) i think pral has a bit of confirmation bias happening here but b) is she is probably scum and you only have suspicions on thane why are'nt you voting her? You almost seem to shrug this "shes probably scum" bit off like its not worth your attention.

 

  On 11/23/2014 at 11:28 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 11/23/2014 at 6:44 PM, Pralaya said:

That was a decent vote by Tress on Cass. Her point about Rags is likely to come from a townie. Granted that she could be

 

trying to distance from a town lynch, but it doesn't exactly look like that.

 

 

 

 

So, essentially what I see on Tress was her extremely suspect posts on D1 and D2, which actually gets better as the game

 

progresses. She could be, as she herself said, "fighting pretty hard to stay alive". She is probably scum but I hae bigger

 

suspicions on thane at the moment

 

This struck me as wrong. A) i think pral has a bit of confirmation bias happening here but b) is she is probably scum and you only have suspicions on thane why are'nt you voting her? You almost seem to shrug this "shes probably scum" bit off like its not worth your attention.

 

Are you serious? Did you even read my ISO on both Thane and Tress? I have clearly pointed out which posts of tress I find scummy and which posts i find townish. And, I am also saying that I find Thane to be scummier than tress - so why would I vote her? After having spent an hour each to ISO both of them, I find it a bit superficial of you to see you casually mention that I am shrugging her off. Commenting only on the summary without actually reading why I find her the way I have written is pure lazy.

 

I am town here and I would totally get if you want to vote me based on gameplay. But, after putting hours of effort on a weekend and seeing an instinctive vote on me is just frustrating. Stop looking at single posts and look at the post overall or even the gameplay overall and show me where I have been scummy. I understand that I was on the lynch wagon on D1 and even Yates pushing me hard but post D1, I have been as open as i can regarding my reads and have multiple posts about Tress specifically. Do ISO me and see if anything has changed since the beginning of the game.

[Pralaya]

  On 11/24/2014 at 5:34 AM, Thane Vakarian said:

i've read up a tad. Been busy this weekend and should be around some today. 

 

What i've been reading makes me wonder about Pral, again... 

 

vote:##Pral

 

i'm pretty certain he's either the wolf or the SK this game. i know i'll be getting heat again for once more voting Pral etc, but i don't care at this point. He needs to go.

This vote concurs with everything that I have been saying about Thane in my ISO. His inactivity late game, his opportunism, his flip-flopping, his tunneling. I don't see how he is not a scum here.

 

Do read my ISO about Thane where I have put some effort looking at specific posts of his which matches with my assessment of him. And, then lok at this vote. If you still feel that I am reaching here, fair enough, go ahead and vote me. But, don't do it without even trying to read what I have written.

 

[v]## Thane[/v]

[Thane Vakarian]

i think i've been quite active untill this past weekend. I had RL things to do. Your posting has bugged me since D1. It has improved somewhat later on in the game, but now i don't like it. 

 

Go ahead, vote all you like. I strongly believe i was right on you from the start

[dicetosser1]

oh i read them pral. i just dont agree. i have had thane as a strong town read a long time now and as i said above im not getting a scum vibe from tress

[Pralaya]

  On 11/24/2014 at 7:31 AM, Thane Vakarian said:

i think i've been quite active untill this past weekend. I had RL things to do. Your posting has bugged me since D1. It has improved somewhat later on in the game, but now i don't like it. 

 

Go ahead, vote all you like. I strongly believe i was right on you from the start

My ISO on you was not just on the inactivity but much more posts as well. It was just one minor point among many. Care to show me what exactly has bugged you? And, what has improved? And, what have you not liked recently?

[Pralaya]

  On 11/24/2014 at 8:07 AM, dicetosser1 said:

oh i read them pral. i just dont agree. i have had thane as a strong town read a long time now and as i said above im not getting a scum vibe from tress

Which is what I wanted you to point out. What you disagree about my assessment and what makes you have a strong town read on him. You never pointed out that and just instinctively replied to a basic summary of what I posted of my ISO on both of them.

[dicetosser1]

for thane....he feels like town thane.  his behaviour early was just like the many times ive seen him mislynched. relaxed, chilling and hard for people to understand. he hasnt done anything thats made me scratch my head and say "wha??  thats from thane?"