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  On 11/20/2014 at 3:33 PM, Andrej said:

@Salamipot - Get it together. Seeing the disconnect between you two an thread is weird.

 

Also, Csarmi, what makes you think Dice as the SK would shoot Yates N1 if he had 'cleared' him? Even if Yates was the Seer and Dice was the Godfather'd SK then Yates had just done him a huge solid by clearing him early.

That's a weird question to ask me considering that I'm leaning town on Dice. Ask Despo. He's not me.

 

We are two players with two very different way of looking for things. How would YOU play that AJ? I think we got it right, we discuss most of the stuff here, some gambits, explanations and leans to pool views on QT. Mostly cause we don't like to post stuff twice. I suppose.

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Nynaeve Spam Master

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I'm finally back home. Kinda wiped out. Still feeling good about my vote.

 

I'm gonna try and go through Kivam's posts later for a look see. I don't think I'm gonna be able to do a sum up because of his huge recaps posts and cause I'm tired but I'll see if there's anything that catches my eye.

Darthe Spam Master

Darthe

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Okay so I am doing EoD analysis with a focus on Nyn (because I suspect her) but I am still acknowledging posts from any living player, dead mafia and Wombat.  I'm spoilering it and will probably have each WoT broken up into 5-10 page increments because of length since I am not editing anything.  This and the next one are up to page 74 from somewhere in the 60's.  

 

 

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Darthe Spam Master

Darthe

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Casper Slide Pt. 2
 
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  On 11/13/2014 at 3:14 PM, WWWwombat said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 3:13 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

don't like the wifom. day 4, you're still alive and i'm still alive i'll be more inclined to vote you now.

 

Only way I'm alive D4 is if Hally is scum.

 

Again :wub: womby, putting his peek in like this.

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 3:25 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 3:00 PM, Kivam said:

 DESlami says Krak is "jumping at straws" - agreed, though I'd say more "grasping" than "jumping" (why would one jump at a straw?).

 

lmfao!

 

I'm quoting almost anything I see involving Nyn with mafia.  There isn't much interaction between them at all and what does exist so far is insubstantial.  

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 3:39 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Wombat did post a good list, but i'd make some changes to it, like this: 

 

Likely Town

Thane Vakarian

WWWwombat

Andrej

Nynaeve (Mentored by Clovdyx)

Verbal32 / Barmacral Hydra

Yates

Cass (Mentored by manbat)

Leelou

Despot / csarmi Hydra

 

Hesitating

DreadPirateRoberts

Kivam

Stelio Kontos

dicetosser1

TheRagnarok

Darthe

 

Likely Wolf

Krakalakachkn
Sili Quirrels

Arsis Pralaya

Hallia

Null
Tress

 

This is about as good a list as i'm able to do right now. Still at work, and it's quite busy. Am reading thread though.

One scummer in each category.  @Thane I think I still hate this post.

 

 
  On 11/13/2014 at 3:49 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 3:43 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 3:39 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Wombat did post a good list, but i'd make some changes to it, like this: 

 

*headdesk*

 

Considering Wombat himself is admitting he wasn't making a genuine reads list, bleurgh.

 

well, i changed it to what i think it should look like, so i definately wasn't agreeing with him  :wink:

 

And this one I may hate more.  Thane backtracked like a mofo here.  

 

 
  On 11/13/2014 at 3:49 PM, Despothera said:

W/e. No one wants to vote obvscum DPR, and Kivam is next best choice now. Has connections to scum!DPR, and has had a LOT of "padding" type posts lately where he rants a bunch about meta stuff, not stuff relevant to THIS GAME. Also think his "if I flip scum don't look into what I said" was a guilty conscience slip.

 

##[unvote]

 

[v]##Kivam[/v]

I also don't think Des makes this post with his teammate.  

 

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 3:40 PM, Cass said:

Yates!

 

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 11:06 AM, Yates. said:

Cass - you're here. I'm here. Let's have a real time conversation? If you are thinking about voting me, and you are claiming it's because of the Seer Cover, and you are claiming to have read everyone's explanations, then I'd like to know if there's something else that's bothering you because THAT shouldn't be it.

Cheers.

*So, you're saying you're not actually the Seer??? Well, phew! Now if I vote you out, even if you end up being Town, knowing that is kinda a relief   :tongue:

 

 

Also. Yey! I found you! (It was harder than it should be - I STILL can't actually figure out ISOs).

 

Ok, let's do this - and even if I've missed you and you're already off at work, I look forward to your reply. I'm going to try to get to bed in the next hour tonight - Don't hate me, it will be the first time before 3 or 4 am since I signed up for this thread   :rolleyes: .

 

First - Dude, I haven't been actively ignoring you on purpose or as a ploy. I've been working my little butt off getting all of those other posts up so that what I'd offered to the Town had actually caught up with my brain.This catchup thing is killing me, I have no idea how anybody does it thoroughly and still manages to talk in real time too. My 'up to' notes at the top of my posts meant that I had scanned through and made mental notes about what to check out or comment on next. That's all, no need to get your knickers in a knot, posting sad pandas and crying gifs, even though they were slightly entertaining   :tongue:. 

 

In answer to the questions in your post.

 

i) I am not claiming to have read everyone's explanations. I'm not that stupid, and I'm gonna be the first one to put my hand up and say I'm definitely missing stuff in this thread! That's why I keep asking for everyone's input, repeatedly.

 

ii) I agree that my concern over you claiming Seer/Providing Seer Cover so early in the game is not enough to confirm that you are scum. I never said it was. I said it concerned me a little, because it didn't make sense to me. I thought I'd explained clearly why I thought so along the line, but maybe I didn't. Either way, here's a direct copy of the notes page I was using at the time. That should clear up any confusion. NB to anyone planning on reading that - My 'Scummiest Reads' have changed since there. See post here for current thoughts.

 

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What bothers me is not just that you hard-claimed Seer early. What bothers me is I find the idea of Town hard-claiming Seer at the point you did possibly less likely than the idea of Scum hard-claiming Seer at the point you did. You follow?

In addition to this:
 

- When questioned about why you did something that I thought may make you more likely to be scum, you didn't give me an explanation for your motives. You just rehashed some general theory that I thought it was obvious I already knew. Another possible point in the direction of Team Scum, under the banner of quoting half-truths and using them for misdirection.

 

In addition to:

- The fact that Sili looked/s rather scummy to me, and he seemed to be defending you, using tactics that were much the same.

 

In addition to:

- The fact that DPR mentioned a heap of stuff that made a lot of sense to me at the time, before I suspected gave a lot of value to the thought he could be wolf.

 

 

 

*Mindsplodes* 

[v] ##Sili [/v]

 

 

 

Yates - Thank you for posting this request to chat. Rereading to answer your questions has raised possibilities I had not considered  :laugh: . Sili now ranks a good bit higher on my red scale than you. Enough so that I'm actually casting a vote, when I didn't think I would.

 

I would still appreciate answers to my concerns in case of future votes, though, because obviously you could still be part of scum team, working with Sili, and this doesn't make you clear of my suspicions relating directly to you. 

 

 

*Collapses*

Bare with me here.  We know Cass is at least half wrong but that's not the point I'm making.  

 

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 4:20 PM, Cass said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 4:13 PM, WWWwombat said:

What if, and bear with me here, Cass wrote Cass' posts?

 

 

*shock horror*

You mean I'm Town???

 

Though this is a point she shouldn't have made.

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 4:29 PM, Yates. said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 3:40 PM, Cass said:

Yates!

Cass!



  On 11/13/2014 at 3:40 PM, Cass said:

*So, you're saying you're not actually the Seer???

Droll.  :dry:
 
  On 11/13/2014 at 3:40 PM, Cass said:

First - Dude, I haven't been actively ignoring you on purpose or as a ploy.

Good. It felt that way. I think you can see why.

So let's get at the meat of this...

First, wrt Sili:
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The context you were/are missing here was in the link I provided to you. Did you click on that link and just look at the name of the players at least? [i obviously don't expect you to read the game - lol] Sili and I were both in that game [along with 8 others involved in this game] that I linked. We were also both playing on that site for the first time so I think certain things "stuck" with us. With that as context, I don't think it's fair to accuse him of "making excuses" in this instance since I think he'd make this same post as either alignment and regardless of his role. It looked genuinely like Sili providing you with information that you didn't have.

His back and forth in the thread, I think, is more indicative of stream of consciousness play. For Sili this is pretty null. I've never seen him as scum yet [at least not for a full game] but none of this is outside of his Town meta.

Back to me. What did you mean here?

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Also, I'd take a Sili, Yates, Wombat, Des scum team ANY day! What's funny here is you named 3 people that were in that game and 1 that is at least familiar with the strategy. In other words, you just named the scum team as the people that would have understood the play.
 

  On 11/13/2014 at 3:40 PM, Cass said:

What bothers me is not just that you hard-claimed Seer early. What bothers me is I find the idea of Town hard-claiming Seer at the point you did possibly less likely than the idea of Scum hard-claiming Seer at the point you did. You follow?

I hear what you are saying. I do. But all I can tell you is that you are wrong. And I think we'll get into the why's and the how's starting here:
 
  On 11/13/2014 at 3:40 PM, Cass said:

When questioned about why you did something that I thought may make you more likely to be scum, you didn't give me an explanation for your motives. You just rehashed some general theory that I thought it was obvious I already knew.

See, it didn't look obvious to me that you already knew the theory. I don't think it was obvious to a LOT of people which is 30% of why it kept coming up [the other 70% being DPR].

It would kind of defeat the purpose of my play if I showed you my hand. So telling you IN GENERAL how that play could work is probably the best you are going to get out of me. At least for now. I mean, I could have been telling the truth knowing no one would believe me and would just assume it was cover, right? Or I could have been just laying cover. I'm not going to tell you which one it was.

What I *CAN* tell you is that I *DIDN'T* do that to try to fish for a role. And the only method I have for proving that is to point back to the mafia theory discussion on why that wouldn't be the case.
 
  On 11/13/2014 at 3:40 PM, Cass said:

In addition to:
- The fact that Sili looked/s rather scummy to me, and he seemed to be defending you, using tactics that were much the same.

What you are doing here is something called "confirmation bias." When you are ASSUMING Sili is scum and that his interaction with me somehow paints me in a scummy light, irrespective of my own actions, you are making a logical error that collapses in the event Sili flips Town.

Even still, let's say Sili *IS* scum. Have you ever heard of a term called "buddying?" or "white knighting?" It's a super common tactic for scum to make friend's with a Townie and to fake defend them. It's also called "pocketing" by some people. The reason scum do it is exactly for the connections you are assuming above. It's to make a Townie look scummy if they themselves get lynched and flip scum.
 
  On 11/13/2014 at 3:40 PM, Cass said:

The fact that DPR mentioned a heap of stuff that made a lot of sense to me at the time, before I suspected gave a lot of value to the thought he could be wolf.

I'll let you come to your own conclusion on that. He's pretty wily.

 

Here we go!  Much like I think there is such thing as mafia not wanting to interact with teammates too much I also hold the opinion that when mafia overdoes interaction with someone it makes that person more likely to be town.  I don't think, in this particular scenario, that Yates would ever have interacted with a new teammate this much on D1.  Is that circumstantial?  Yes.  Are there flaws that allow Cass to be mafia?  Yes, especially if her amazing powers of deduction dropped off when the scum team died, but this entire series of interactions links her to that team FAR too much to be likely given everything that we know.  

 

Cass looks clear to me.  Not as clear as Des from these interactions but certainly more so than most would be.

 

 

 

 

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TBH I think I'm stuck on the question of voting inactives over people who I think might be sus. 

 

I struggled tonight with my re-read, however, looking at AJs stuff:

 

I still don't like:

- his defensive/cranky tone after/when I asked why he thought Verb, Wom and DPR were all voting for him;

- the way he random voted Sili straight up early D1 on nothing but a 'hunch' and something about the joke vote against Thane (which Csarmi did too btw, but nothing was said about that btw)

 

(might help if I had some meta to go on here - is AJ always cranky when he's suspicious?)

 

---BUT---

 

There is something in the way that Kiv interacts with him here that makes me think he may have been being played with by scum the same way I was. AJ is still the same defensive, cranky tone in this interaction, but there's something about Kiv's post that reminds me of the way he was in interactions with me (slightly long, patronising/dismissive, logic-twisted conversation posts) and - and this is the kicker for me, (silly idea or not): it included the statement "You're better than that, aren't you?" Which is essentially what Kiv said to me on multiple occasions, including here, at the very EoD when he knew the game was up.

 

 

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I don't know if that actually clears him (of course it doesn't) but my gut says it's strange that it's the same level of effort Kiv put into making me look bad, using the same ego-suck-crushing tone. And since I know I'm Town, maybe this suggests that AJ could be too. Maybe that's silly associative logic, I dunno. My head's too scrambled to deal with more post searching and stuff on mobile internet right now (nearly 3am).

 

I have a dr's appointment in the morning but will try to make it back for EoD and more real searching before that.

 

Just in case I'm not back or internet is still crappy, I'm voting [v]##Rags[/v], based on inactivity.

 

My picks on possible SK are still the same as before, for the same reasons.

Songstress Spam Master

Songstress

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  On 11/20/2014 at 12:41 PM, Despothera said:

Whoa there cowboy.

 

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It was bad enough you peeled off of Tress. I agree her posts look townier the last couple of pages, bit I don't really think that offsets all the bad posts she had earlier.

 

If we're not lynching her then we're STILL not lynching Nyn, at least not today. Better to lynch Rags who is MUCH more of a question mark than Nyn.

 

[V]##Rags[/v]

 

I get it, I get it, you don't like me.  

 

:mad:  :angry::mad:

 

 

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In any event, I recall you doing the same damn thing in the Spaceballs game in your first incarnation, it was only when you replaced back in as mafia that you were willing to admit I might be town.  Is OK, you can be town again, Salami explained the things that worried me the most.

 

Apparently I needed more aspartame in my diet or something, I felt better last night than I have in nearly 2 months.  Will try it again this afternoon and see if the Coke Zero helps.

csarmi Spam Master

csarmi

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Vigilantes attention: plan your play carefully. Think about what your role (named townie and shooting power) is good for. Consider your play thoroughly.

 

Vanillagers attention: don't fake claim vig ever. Don't claim your role unless necessary.

Songstress Spam Master

Songstress

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  On 11/20/2014 at 3:46 PM, Cass said:

AJ I disagree with the vote thing.

 

Hallia and DPR voted Kiv and AJ respectively at exactly the same time: 1149 by AEST , tying them at 4 votes each.

 

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I then voted Kiv at 11:53, which meant Kiv took the lead..

 

 

  On 11/18/2014 at 1:53 AM, Tommyrod said:

Vote Count D2.21:

 

Kivam (5): AJ [#2373], Deslami [#2623], Darthe [#2728], Hallia [#2835], Cass [#2837]

AJ (4): Verbarm [#2562], Kivam [#2785], Wombat [#2823], DPR [#2836]

Verbarm (3): Nyn [#2192], Dicetosser [#2202], Pral [#2500]

Pral (2): Thane [#1931], Krak [#2826]

 

Not Voting (2): Rags, Tress

 

At the gallows: Kivam

 

Reminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.

 

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Bold purple: Actually, that's not quite accurate.  Let me quote all the relevant posts...

 

  On 11/18/2014 at 1:45 AM, Tommyrod said:

Vote Count D2.20:

 

Kivam (3): AJ [#2373], Deslami [#2623], Darthe [#2728]

Verbarm (3): Nyn [#2192], Saladtosser [#2202], Pral [#2500]

AJ (3): Verbarm [#2562], Kivam [#2785], Wombat [#2823]

Pral (2): Thane [#1931], Krak [#2826]

Wombat (1): DPR [#2730]

 

Unvote (1): Cass [#2187]

 

Not Voting (3): Hallia, Rags, Tress

 

At the gallows: Kivam

 

Reminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.

 

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Kivam, Verbarm and AJ had 3 votes each at this point, and Kivam had taken the lead first, so he was still in the lead...

 

Then, with the SAME timestamp, so within a minute of one another, 11 minutes before deadline...

 

 

  On 11/18/2014 at 1:49 AM, Hallia said:

I don't think AJ is mafia.

 

I'm not the most informed on Kivam, but between the two

 

##Vote: Kivam

 

 

  On 11/18/2014 at 1:49 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 11/18/2014 at 1:40 AM, Tommyrod said:

Vote Count D2.19:

 

Kivam (3): AJ [#2373], Deslami [#2623], Darthe [#2728]

Verbarm (3): Nyn [#2192], Saladtosser [#2202], Pral [#2500]

AJ (2): Verbarm [#2562], Kivam [#2785]

Pral (1): Thane [#1931]

Cass (1): Wombat [#2631]

Wombat (1): DPR [#2730]

Darthe (1): Wombat [#2816]

 

Unvote (1): Cass [#2187]

 

Not Voting (4): Hallia, Krak, Rags, Tress

 

At the gallows: Kivam

 

Reminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.

 

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##Unvote Wombat

 

##Vote AJ

 

Call for mod specification on votes Deslami (#2623) vs. Saladtosser (#2202) whom I believe to be the same voter.

 

 

 

  On 11/18/2014 at 1:49 AM, Cass said:

Lol Wom you and Kiv are screwing with my head so bad! *g*

 

I see both of you voted Sili last round...

 

 

[v]##Kiv[/v]

 

The next vote count, 7 minutes before deadline...

 

 

  On 11/18/2014 at 1:53 AM, Tommyrod said:

Vote Count D2.21:

 

Kivam (5): AJ [#2373], Deslami [#2623], Darthe [#2728], Hallia [#2835], Cass [#2837]

AJ (4): Verbarm [#2562], Kivam [#2785], Wombat [#2823], DPR [#2836]

Verbarm (3): Nyn [#2192], Dicetosser [#2202], Pral [#2500]

Pral (2): Thane [#1931], Krak [#2826]

 

Not Voting (2): Rags, Tress

 

At the gallows: Kivam

 

Reminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.

 

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Kivam never lost the lead, and with the plurality vote rules even if it had ended on a tie, he would have been the lynch unless AJ had pulled ahead of him at some point. 

 

The thing that has me concerned here is that with the bother of going back and quoting posts and checking timestamps on the other votes to defend herself against AJ's suggestion, she doesn't quote her own post and specifically gives the wrong time for her own vote.

 

This seems really damn fishy.

Songstress Spam Master

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Maybe it's just the tinfoily part of my brain speaking, but Darthe's analysis notwithstanding...

 

Does anyone else have the nagging feeling that we've witnessed a Kivam-style gambit being mentored by Kivam himself?  :unsure:

csarmi Spam Master

csarmi

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  On 11/18/2014 at 1:22 AM, Kivam said:

Screw it.  I'm at the gallows anyway, since Verb will put me in the lead if nothing else breaks, and I'm more inclined to lynch AJ than VerBarm anyway.

 

[v]##Andrej[/v]

 

FTR, would consider a CFD on Derf after those last pushes

  
  On 11/18/2014 at 1:27 AM, WWWwombat said:

[v]##AJ[/v]

  
  On 11/18/2014 at 1:29 AM, Tommyrod said:

Vote Count D2.17:Kivam (3): AJ [#2373], Deslami [#2623], Darthe [#2728]

Verbarm (3): Nyn [#2192], Saladtosser [#2202], Pral [#2500]

AJ (3): Verbarm [#2562], Kivam [#2785], Wombat [#2797]

Pral (1): Thane [#1931]

Wombat (1): DPR [#2730]

Unvote (1): Cass [#2187]

Not Voting (4): Hallia, Krak, Rags, TressAt the gallows: Kivam

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  On 11/18/2014 at 1:32 AM, Cass said:

AJ, Deslarmi, Darthe - Why has everyone gone Kivam over Wom? Make it good.

  
  On 11/18/2014 at 1:38 AM, WWWwombat said:

[v]##Darthe![/v]

  
  On 11/18/2014 at 1:40 AM, Tommyrod said:

Vote Count D2.19:Kivam (3): AJ [#2373], Deslami [#2623], Darthe [#2728]

Verbarm (3): Nyn [#2192], Saladtosser [#2202], Pral [#2500]

AJ (2): Verbarm [#2562], Kivam [#2785]

Pral (1): Thane [#1931]

Cass (1): Wombat [#2631]

Wombat (1): DPR [#2730]

Darthe (1): Wombat [#2816]

Unvote (1): Cass [#2187]

Not Voting (4): Hallia, Krak, Rags, TressAt the gallows: Kivam

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  On 11/18/2014 at 1:42 AM, Krakalakachkn said:

Vote Pral

 

 

Yolo!

  
  On 11/18/2014 at 1:43 AM, WWWwombat said:

[v]##AJ[/v]

  
  On 11/18/2014 at 1:45 AM, Tommyrod said:

Vote Count D2.20:Kivam (3): AJ [#2373], Deslami [#2623], Darthe [#2728]Verbarm (3): Nyn [#2192], Saladtosser [#2202], Pral [#2500]AJ (3): Verbarm [#2562], Kivam [#2785], Wombat [#2823]Pral (2): Thane [#1931], Krak [#2826]Wombat (1): DPR [#2730]Unvote (1): Cass [#2187]Not Voting (3): Hallia, Rags, TressAt the gallows: KivamReminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.tea2_1416276000.png

  
  On 11/18/2014 at 1:47 AM, WWWwombat said:

KRAK I'M GOING TO COUNT YOUR VOTE AS A VOTE ON KIVAM WRT ANALYSIS

  
  On 11/18/2014 at 1:49 AM, Hallia said:

I don't think AJ is mafia.

 

I'm not the most informed on Kivam, but between the two

 

##Vote: Kivam

  
  On 11/18/2014 at 1:49 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 11/18/2014 at 1:40 AM, Tommyrod said:

Vote Count D2.19:Kivam (3): AJ [#2373], Deslami [#2623], Darthe [#2728]

Verbarm (3): Nyn [#2192], Saladtosser [#2202], Pral [#2500]

AJ (2): Verbarm [#2562], Kivam [#2785]

Pral (1): Thane [#1931]

Cass (1): Wombat [#2631]

Wombat (1): DPR [#2730]

Darthe (1): Wombat [#2816]

Unvote (1): Cass [#2187]

Not Voting (4): Hallia, Krak, Rags, TressAt the gallows: Kivam

Reminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.tea2_1416276000.png

 

 

##Unvote Wombat

 

##Vote AJ

 

Call for mod specification on votes Deslami (#2623) vs. Saladtosser (#2202) whom I believe to be the same voter.

  
  On 11/18/2014 at 1:49 AM, Cass said:

Lol Wom you and Kiv are screwing with my head so bad! *g*

 

I see both of you voted Sili last round...

 

 

[v]##Kiv[/v]

  
  On 11/18/2014 at 1:53 AM, Tommyrod said:

Vote Count D2.21:Kivam (5): AJ [#2373], Deslami [#2623], Darthe [#2728], Hallia [#2835], Cass [#2837]AJ (4): Verbarm [#2562], Kivam [#2785], Wombat [#2823], DPR [#2836]Verbarm (3): Nyn [#2192], Dicetosser [#2202], Pral [#2500]Pral (2): Thane [#1931], Krak [#2826]Not Voting (2): Rags, TressAt the gallows: KivamReminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.tea2_1416276000.png

  
  On 11/18/2014 at 1:54 AM, Verbal32 said:

Wombat becoming blue for EOD.......what the hell day is this?!?!

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  On 11/20/2014 at 5:14 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

csarmi... if you don't mind me asking..... why the interest in me ?

Still planning to steal your girls.

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  On 11/20/2014 at 5:10 PM, csarmi said:

Tress: Thane summary please. Your read progression on him. Why when how.

 

I haven't gone back to read all of Thane's posts, so this is off the cuff.

 

As I recall, when I posted my first read list I had him as green due to gut feeling - I was trying to minimize the nulls on my list and he seemed pretty typical Thane to me.  One of the things I noted IRT Nyn was how I'd given her a town lean early because of how she handled Thane, and primarily that was because it mirrored a lot of what I was thinking - that I normally find him pretty outrageously scummy, and I have to try to adjust for that knowing that's pretty much how he plays (based on past history).  There have been quite a few times over the course of the game I remember reading one of his posts and thinking "why would you even say that?", and then thinking "Oh, right, it's Thane."  

 

I've pretty much skimmed a lot due to feeling terrible, and didn't put a whole lot more thought into him, felt pretty neutral overall for most of the rest.  Hally's analysis of the way Yates and Krak defended him D1 made me take notice, and consider him near the bottom of the list.   And the way he responded to Hally was pretty typical Thane as well, which on most other people could be picked out as pinging, but for him could be reasonable.  That's why I started thinking if he really was being white knighted by Yates and Krak there, perhaps the remaining teammate tried to avoid the WK act, which made me think of Nyn.

 

So in short, I dunno.  Questionable, but I don't think he's as likely to be the last mafia as Nyn or Cass in my head right now... and my head kinda wants to go in circles.

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  On 11/20/2014 at 5:13 PM, csarmi said:

Tress.

 

Why did Krak not place a meaningful vote?

 

/But Thane first.

 

Errr... not a single clue.

 

Need to get ready for work, have to be early today for a team meeting.   The pilot project I was working on is done now, the boss is out of the office, and my schedule has some breaks in it, so I'll check back later and vote sometime after coffee has happened.

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  On 11/13/2014 at 5:09 PM, Songstress said:

Can't remember anything else off the top of my head that I wanted to respond to that is still relevant - yesterday at work I was wanting to quote Wombat's previous reads list and ask why I was as high up as I was, but then I saw the Rags had already done it, and I wanted to see if there was anything further before I responded myself (which there was by the time I got there).

 

Have about 10 minutes before I need to run get ready for work, this afternoon is my inaugural training session and I need to do some prep work before my shift starts.

 

Reads list with a few random notes:

 

Fairly comfortable town reads:

 

DesLami - Firmly telling myself not to tinfoil right now.  Des is reading like Town!Des to me, and the tunnel on DPR is reminiscent of many other Town!Des tunnels. And since most of his points make a lot of sense (I did catch the sarcasm in DPR's "really really town" post, FWIW), I'm giving this one credit.  I disagree with some of the other reads, but overall I think we're seeing things pretty similarly.

 

Kivam - I'll admit I haven't read the catchup posts carefully or gone back to check context as recommended, but since the conclusions he's reached have made sense to me and many of them resonated with what I've been thinking, I'm putting him in my town pile for the moment.

 

Wombat - More gut feeling than anything.  May be subject to tinfoil later.

 

Nyn - I don't remember what the discussion was that gave me this impression, but it gave me a pretty strong "yeah, this looks like town!Nyn" vibe that's stuck with me.

 

 

Townish vibe:

 

Yates - I will always tinfoil on Yates, but unless we have a Yates/Des scum team I think I'm more comfortable calling him town. 

 

Rags - Gave him town points for mindmeld when he asked Wombat about why he was so high in the greens on his reads list yesterday.

 

Thane - no specifics, just warm fuzzies.

 

Null/mixed/no clue:

 

Dice

AJ

Leelou

VerBarm - These 4 I don't really remember much that stuck with me one way or another.  Will have to reread to develop a more concrete opinion.

 

 

Cass - Mixed so far.  I don't like DPR's suggestion that her posts are being written by someone else.  She's putting a lot of effort into this, and that I like.  I know I've missed some of what she's posted and will have to go back and re-read her later.

 

Stelio - Really no idea what to do with him yet.

 

Hallia - oh where oh where is my Hally?

 

Mildly uncomfortable:

 

Arsis/Pral

Krak

Darthe

 

No specifics for these guys, just a gut level discomfort that I can probably go back and make less nebulous this weekend.

 

Top scum leans:

 

SIli - More gut feeling than anything specific, although I remember reading several posts that made me say "whoa there" and I could probably go back and pick them out if needed.  Willing to lynch.

 

DPR - I hate the thought of lynching Wes D1 when he's been gone for a while, but I'm seriously uncomfortable with his play so far, specifically how he's been interacting with Des and Cass.

 

  
  On 11/15/2014 at 3:44 AM, Songstress said:

A few quick takes based on the day/night results and discussion so far...

 

Des is still firmly on my town list.

 

Womby bumps down a notch.

 

Pral jumps up to tentative town - based on Despo's Yates Spew Analysis in part, but also because I don't see Scum!Pral dropping his push on me after realizing Yates never mentioned me in his reads list.  

 

DPR still looks sketchy to me.

 

Rags still looks pretty townie.

 

Little less sure of Thane.

 

I need to re-read and recalibrate, and tomorrow will be a fine, fine day for that.  Tonight is for unwinding from a long, stressful week.  Expect more activity from me for the next two days.

Thane, does this read progression feel natural for you? Does it match what Tress said just now?

 

Tress - what does "a little less sure" mean?

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  On 11/20/2014 at 5:13 PM, csarmi said:

Tress.

Why did Krak not place a meaningful vote

 

I've been asking myself the same question. I don't understand EOD2. Kivam could have kept his vote on Verbram and Krak could have fueled it and maybe saved his hide while mislynching Verbram. He could have voted AJ. Or alternatively he could have piled on Kivam to look good once he flipped. Instead Kivam unvotes Verbram, moves his vote to AJ (who had 1 vote on him at the time), thereby putting himself as the leading train. Him not taking the easy way out and trying to push Verbram is odd.  Doesn't add up. And Krak's yolo vote on Pral makes even less sense in the situation.

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