[Standard] 11/10 Top Tier Vanilla+ Game Thread

[Cass]

Cleared as not scum. She could still be a GF SK. 

 

 

I like Hallia's vote, personally. Kivam was at the lead in the tie due to voting timing. She had an open shot at voting AJ and shifting the lynch in that direction. Instead she added another vote on Kivam, even though it wasn't technically needed. As scum I would have expected her to either pile on AJ or miss EOD and not show at all. 

 

Good points.

 

 

(Also, omgWoah!*g*  

 

This game is insane!  (Yes, Thane, 18 pages!  ​)

 

(Wombat, DPR - omgus!  )

 

 

I'm in an office for first day of light duties tomorrow (busted shoulder). No idea of the setup so will be sneaking peeks at my phone til after kid goes to bed @ 7pm... letting go is hard... 11pm though after next to no sleep. GL and see y'all tomorrow... 

[hazelkrs1]

Villagers be RUNNING WILD ITT. Me likey

[Thane Vakarian]

yeah, i seriously need to catch up....

[Cass]

Lol @ Thane.

 

(and @ me, can't help it...)

 

 

Vote Count D2.21:

Kivam (5): AJ [#2373], Deslami [#2623], Darthe [#2728], Hallia [#2835], Cass [#2837]
AJ (4): Verbarm [#2562], Kivam [#2785], Wombat [#2823], DPR [#2836]
Verbarm (3): Nyn [#2192], Dicetosser [#2202], Pral [#2500]
Pral (2): Thane [#1931], Krak [#2826]

Not Voting (2): Rags, Tress

At the gallows: Kivam

Reminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.

 

 

Thane, why'd you alone with Krak vote Pral...?...

 

*Will check this in the morning, really off to bed now *g*

[Thane Vakarian]

Lol @ Thane.

 

(and @ me, can't help it...)

 

 

Vote Count D2.21:

 

Kivam (5): AJ [#2373], Deslami [#2623], Darthe [#2728], Hallia [#2835], Cass [#2837]

AJ (4): Verbarm [#2562], Kivam [#2785], Wombat [#2823], DPR [#2836]

Verbarm (3): Nyn [#2192], Dicetosser [#2202], Pral [#2500]

Pral (2): Thane [#1931], Krak [#2826]

 

Not Voting (2): Rags, Tress

 

At the gallows: Kivam

 

Reminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.

 

 

 

Thane, why'd you alone with Krak vote Pral...?...

 

*Will check this in the morning, really off to bed now *g*

still need to catch up EOD (at work, so not too soon), but he was at the time of my vote definately not clear for me, hence my vote. Already voted him D1, and he did nothing to improve himself D2. That, is my opinion. For now, i'll wait a bit and see where i will head my vote, would be nice to catch the last wolf and the SK today/this night. 

[csarmi]

Wait Despo we aren't the Seer afterall?

 

Meh.

[csarmi]

You're an LLL.

 

##Despo

[csarmi]

 

ALSO IF I'M THE SEER I PEEKED KIV TOWN

 

OR DID I?

 

LOL Seer. Just came across this.

 

I think he peeked Kivam mafia. Unless we find another hint D2.

[Pralaya]

 

 

ALSO IF I'M THE SEER I PEEKED KIV TOWN

 

OR DID I?

 

LOL Seer. Just came across this.

 

I think he peeked Kivam mafia. Unless we find another hint D2.

 

 

Don't think so. Why would he end up voting AJ in that case?

[Thane Vakarian]

Pral, i have to say that i'm pleasantly surprised that you're actively around. Or should i be worried about that?

[csarmi]

Ah okay Pral I wasn't looking closely. Been sleeping you know.also I thought we'd be dead for sure

[Pralaya]

Pral, i have to say that i'm pleasantly surprised that you're actively around. Or should i be worried about that?

 

I should say I should be worried about you, lol.

[Thane Vakarian]

 

Pral, i have to say that i'm pleasantly surprised that you're actively around. Or should i be worried about that?

 

I should say I should be worried about you, lol.

 

If you're town, you have little to fear from a fellow townie. Just give me some time to catch up first  

 

In the case that you're worried that i start a train on you because you're scum and want to survive, that's a diffirent story

[csarmi]

Is posting seer cover +EV? Prolly not right? Gives low info and mostly helps Mafia sort out the kills... Not town.

[csarmi]

So all of the active participants dead?

 

Thanks for killing DPR BTW.

[Nynaeve]

Okay, so I'll try to go through Kivam's content later but a couple of posts that I recall caught my eye.

 

 

Here is the post I mentioned him calling Tress a solid town read of his. I'll have to jump into his recaps to see if this correlates, but from where I'm standing I don't see why he would have a solid town read on her logically. She has less than 20 posts and I'm finding it very difficult to read her. It irks me that he didn't really say why. He just threw it out there. So I'm wondering if this is TMI on his part or buddying.

 

 

What's the general opinion on Tress atm btw?

 

I'm a little put off by how she is defending Despot vs DPR on pg 75.

 

"Re: the bolded/purpled/underlined DPR quote above...

 

See, despite the patented Des Tunneling, this is one of the points he's made against you that really does continue to make complete sense.  You keep characterizing his "seer cover" explanation as DES bringing it up to explain Yates' behavior as a town move, but the actual context doesn't support that.  Despo didn't just "bring it up" - he was specifically asked what he thought about Yates' claim and clearing of Dice, and he kinda had to bring up "seer cover" to explain why he was disregarding the claim entirely.   Blame it on Dice, if anyone, and unless you think Yates, Dice and Despo are mafia together and planned that little exchange behind the scenes, I do not think it means what you think it means."

 

The bolded/colored bit is what bugs me the most. Could just be hindsight bias on my part for seeing this now with knowledge of Yates's alignment but it strikes me in a bad manner.

 

I think Tress is actually playing a very straight game.  Strong town lean on her
 

 

 

 

Then there's another post where he shows interest in Des saying that if DPR flips town, it'll make him wary of Tress:

 

 

 

 

Des, let's say you have to lead a lynch today but it can't be on me or Kiv. Who do you pick?

DPR

I think he has spun a whole lot of honkey today, keeps semi-contradicting himself and being vague all game, and if scum could give some juicy info on other people in the game. If town then not as much, but I think in that scenario I'd prob be more wary of Tress again

Barring that, I'd go for Thane, but eh I kinda agree with Darthe that he'd be a better Vig target than lynch candidate

 

 

This is interesting: Why Tress if DPR is town?

 

 

I'll  have to check if Tress and Kivam actually interact at any point. And also ISO Tress' posts. So I'll get back to that later on. But I am sort of wondering why he felt interested. 

 

 

 

 

Another post that nagged at me is the following:

 

 

DPR  have you ever spoken to someone and, just by the way they have said something, known they were being sarcastic?  I bet you have.  THATS tone reading. It IS a thing.

 

It's only a thing if the people you are playing with can't fake it.  I can. I know Wes can, and Wombat can, etc.  From what I read in-thread, Ragnarok can.  

 

 

I don't really understand why he said that about Rags. As far as I know he has never played with Rags before. Why would he say that from what he read in thread he can tell that Rags is good at faking his tone????

[Nynaeve]

Also I find it pretty ironic that both Tress and Rags are the only two players who haven't voted on EOD2. On EOD1 Rags wasn't voting either, btw. Tress was voting Sili (was the last one on the train). 

 

Iffy.

[csarmi]

Nyn i am pretty good at reading Tress. I shall try when i feel better (had to go home from work).

[Thane Vakarian]

caught up untill page 138, here's a few things: 

Not down for a cfd on cass. She's not on my lynch list for today, definitely less scummy than other options

Seeing Kivam's flip, does make Cass look worse some.

 

Hey did you guys see the part where Cass pretended to forget what a CFD is or do you just not read?

I do think that Nyn and i tried to explain the CFD well enough. Agree with Wombat on this point.

 

No Thane CFD Des.

he is right, no lynching townies if it can be avoided. 

 

Actually I have more to say on that.  For cass to be scum according to Womby logic it's associative depending on Kivam scum so if he wants to catch Cass he has to lynch Kiv first.

 

Based on this I'm willing to CFD Wombat.

@Darthe, thoughts? 

 

 

We have an hour.

 

I'm most happy with anyone from my top three (Wom, Kiv, DPR), and will happily take a gamble on anyone from my second tier (AJ, VerBarm, Thane, Deslarmi, Dice ... and, less happily, at Nyn).

 

If it ends up being one of the others then so be it, but I don't know enough on any of them to make a call.

 

 

 

One thing that might help - does Wom actually always do 'flurries' and harass people trying to genuinely understand?

Cass: who's your top suspect now? Your top three are all dead. 

[Thane Vakarian]

*continues catching up*

[Nynaeve]

@Salami: sounds good.

 

Been reading through Rags content. I will try to do a proper ISO in the evening but basically on D1 he posted his Yates spew analysis like 6 hours before DL. Said: "I am going to look at AJ, Des/csarmi, Nyn, and dice as people whose interactions with Yates struck me as particularly odd." Stuck around till about 4 hours before DL, asking for input on his spew analysis and then took off without actually casting a vote. On D2 he shows up 4 hours to deadline. Asks how much time we have left. Says he's not caught up and maybe should YOLO his vote. And then takes off.

 

Really not loving that he has not taken a stance with a vote. Especially considering he went through Yates spew...... I will have to see if he actually followed up with his promise to look into AJ, Des/salami, me and dice. 

[Nynaeve]

With Tress, I didn't like her scarceness on thread at all. I get that she's busy but I also felt that what she did choose to post about was a bit lacking. Her AtE post, though, made me feel a bit better about her. I've seen her as frustrated townie in previous games. Here I was missing the frustration, which made her seem iffy. But when she posted saying that she's been keeping her frustration off the thread on purpose.....

 

Anyways Rags and Tress ISO incoming later today. At least it's not a lot of posts lol

[Thane Vakarian]

AJ, Deslarmi, Darthe - Why has everyone gone Kivam over Wom? Make it good.

sounds quite protective over Kiv.... That, cimbined with what stood out in my previous post, makes me wonder if Cass actually slipped here... or not...

 

Vote Pral

 

 

Yolo!

Seeing Krak's flip, yeah... mixed about this. Maybe he really did Yolo, or he hopes this will push people to kill me too. 

 

my gut read on AJ is town too.

 

but i dont want kiv dead either.

 

 

cass!  get in here and vote verb !

Dice, why ask Cass to vote Verb? Unwilling to lynch Kiv because...?

 

KIV AND AJ ARE NOT THE SAME ALIGNMENT IMO

again, i tend to agree. I do think that AJ is town here. 

 

For now, my townie list would include AJ, Decsarm, Nyn, Darthe, me. 

 

not sure: dice, Rags, Tress, Pral

 

not looking too hot: Hallia, Cass

[Thane Vakarian]

i think i'm caught up now.... let's continue to play then. 

[Andrej]

Good morning all. I'm happy to say that with extremely minimal effort on my part I only voted wolves on D2.

 

 

 

 

Seeing as how Hallia was an inno peek she's off the table for now. I agree with Nyn irt her vote as well making her not teammates with Kivam.

 

People I won't be lynching this game ever are Darthe and Despot. Thanks for the work yesterday bros, you guys were big on that Kivam lynch and frankly saved my butt.

 

I would lynch Tress today, no problem. Rags is another option but I thought when he was around earlier his posts were okay. I'm not sure if him leaving votes off the table is alignment indicative tbh. Someone with more experience weigh in on this?

 

I'm kinda wary of Nyn at this point. I don't think she's a wolf after Krak's lame push on D1 but I see some SK equity especially now that her chew toy flipped green. I think Verb had a point when he said all the "lolz" and emoticons were making her seem forced. Like over compensation if you will.

 

Cass and Pral are VT claims so we can save them for a later day.

 

I think that might be it actually.

 

Darthe

Despot

Hallia

 

Pral

Cass

Thane

 

Nyn

Rags

Tress