[Standard] 11/10 Top Tier Vanilla+ Game Thread

[hazelkrs1]

Actually I have more to say on that. For cass to be scum according to Womby logic it's associative depending on Kivam scum so if he wants to catch Cass he has to lynch Kiv first.

 

Based on this I'm willing to CFD Wombat.

I'd support this as well

[WWWwombat]

Actually I have more to say on that.  For cass to be scum according to Womby logic it's associative depending on Kivam scum so if he wants to catch Cass he has to lynch Kiv first.

 

Based on this I'm willing to CFD Wombat.

 

Kivam's alignment is irrelevant to my Cass pressure.  Cass nudging Kivam but being unwilling to vote him is scummy regardless of Kiv's alignment.

 

 

I didn't care for Kivam's AJ push or much get the basis of it... But AJ is high on my susp list. What makes you think he is town Des?

Also Wombat flipping scum is pretty unlikely due to him being Stelio's peak. He can flip SK. Maybe. _______%_____??? Stelio was lying. As the jk, he had no peek

 

Do we really need to explain seer cover again?

[csarmi]

 

No Thane CFD Des.

Why doesn't he care about lynching scum?

 

Why is he parking his vote on one slot and pretty much never participating besides defending Wombat inexplicably?

 

Why was he spamming and fluffing all the time during EOD yesterday instead of trying to either push his top scum read more or figure out if Sili might be town/scum?

Bothers me somewhat too. I think he was busy most of D2. Don't wanna blind lynch him in the middle of the night... Look how well it went last time.

[WWWwombat]

I agree with that for today, Salami, but Thane needs to l2p at some point if he doesn't wanna get blind lynched.

[Kivam]

Might explain the stelio shot though - if you're a sk Godfather and someone claims a N0 view on you, what do you do? Shoot them to conform yourself. No guarantee this happened, but it fits

[Darthe]

This not providing reasons thing is making me even more paranoid! lol

 

 

Sounds like you don't want to vote Kivam.

 

 

Cass/Kivam has w/w equity now imo.

 

 

[v]##Cass[/v]

 

Take a stance.

 

 

 

Actually I have more to say on that.  For cass to be scum according to Womby logic it's associative depending on Kivam scum so if he wants to catch Cass he has to lynch Kiv first.

 

Based on this I'm willing to CFD Wombat.

 

Kivam's alignment is irrelevant to my Cass pressure.  Cass nudging Kivam but being unwilling to vote him is scummy regardless of Kiv's alignment.

 

 

I didn't care for Kivam's AJ push or much get the basis of it... But AJ is high on my susp list. What makes you think he is town Des?

Also Wombat flipping scum is pretty unlikely due to him being Stelio's peak. He can flip SK. Maybe. _______%_____??? Stelio was lying. As the jk, he had no peek

 

Do we really need to explain seer cover again?

 

 

If you said it was a policy lynch I'd buy that.

 

If you sad it was that you thought they were teammates and you don't care about the order I'd buy that.

 

Saying that they're independently scummy when you're voting based on this in thread progression is bullshanks.

 

[unvote][v]##Wombat[/v]

[WWWwombat]

SK shot Yates imo.  Vig shooting Yates would have been pretty stupid ballsy.

[csarmi]

 

 

I didn't care for Kivam's AJ push or much get the basis of it... But AJ is high on my susp list. What makes you think he is town Des?

 

Also Wombat flipping scum is pretty unlikely due to him being Stelio's peak. He can flip SK. Maybe.

Weren't you the one who shot this reasoning down when I used it?

I just said it wasn't as sure as you make it out to be. Depends on whether Stelio was SK or scum shot and we just dunno enough (I don't think any vig would shoot my view... I hope).

[Kivam]

 

 

Actually I have more to say on that. For cass to be scum according to Womby logic it's associative depending on Kivam scum so if he wants to catch Cass he has to lynch Kiv first.

 

Based on this I'm willing to CFD Wombat.

 

 

 

Kivam's alignment is irrelevant to my Cass pressure. Cass nudging Kivam but being unwilling to vote him is scummy regardless of Kiv's alignment.

 

 

 

 

I didn't care for Kivam's AJ push or much get the basis of it... But AJ is high on my susp list. What makes you think he is town Des?

Also Wombat flipping scum is pretty unlikely due to him being Stelio's peak. He can flip SK. Maybe. _______%_____??? Stelio was lying. As the jk, he had no peek

 

 

 

Do we really need to explain seer cover again? _______%%___%%_ no. But you need to explain why the "view" of a player who made up the result as part of that play means anything at all about your alignment

[Darthe]

Thane isn't happening today.  IMO he is what vigs were made for, but barring that I could accept that direction in the future.  

 

Might explain the stelio shot though - if you're a sk Godfather and someone claims a N0 view on you, what do you do? Shoot them to conform yourself. No guarantee this happened, but it fits

What's this a response to?

[Cass]

She was posting right when 2 people explained CFD to her.  She takes notes on gameplay and makes massive walls.  How would she legitimately forget what a CFD is when she asked what it was and was answered TWICE?

 

You're reading way too much into this. A lot of 'gameplay' stuff goes over my head. It's the interactions between players that I read from. Stuff like this, where you're massively pushing into me, and wasting time.   I'll say it again - I read those two explanations, several times. I still do not understand the point, from a town perspective.  I believe I asked for clarification after that and nobody responded. What else am I supposed to do? Do you think if I was lying I would have waited til you suggested whatever it means against Kiv to ask you what that means? lol

 

If it makes any difference I really am asking what it means, in the context of the game, not just in the sense of the actions that occur. Asked my mentors and everything. No reply. And no, I'm not at a point where I can infer this on my own.

 

I can't be much more clear than that. And, same as with Kiv and DPR, I find your interactions with me confusing, because I'm trying to understand and make sense of where people are standing, so that I can put my vote where it will count the most, and I can't see any point to what they (your interactions)  'accomplish' if you were Town.

 

I can, however, see that we are down to 2.5 hours to go, and again you're creating a flurry that I don't understand.

[Darthe]

Back to class, GL all I hope to get another break by DL.

 

Is is 8:30 or 9?

[csarmi]

I didn't care for Kivam's AJ push or much get the basis of it... But AJ is high on my susp list. What makes you think he is town Des?

Also Wombat flipping scum is pretty unlikely due to him being Stelio's peak. He can flip SK. Maybe. _______%_____??? Stelio was lying. As the jk, he had no peek

Scum rarely shoots someone with zero seer equity.

[WWWwombat]

Kiv, if the mafia shot Stelio, then either his "view" on me was correct, or they killed someone they knew wasn't the seer.  But of course, the existence of the SK muddles this to some degree.  Which is why I think you pushing my play as SK rather than anti-town is pretty damn suspicious.  It feels like you know the implications of the Stelio kill but are pretending you don't.

[Verbal32]

Hey did you guys see the part where Cass pretended to forget what a CFD is or do you just not read?

Not sure I'd classify that as a scumtell, though.

[WWWwombat]

Cass, I make flurries.  It's what I do.  And at EOD in a deadline game, flurries are gonna happen regardless.  Best get used to it.

[csarmi]

SK shot Yates imo. Vig shooting Yates would have been pretty stupid ballsy.

Likely that.

[WWWwombat]

Cass CFD ain't happenin :(

 

[v]##Kivam[/v]

[csarmi]

Kiv, if the mafia shot Stelio, then either his "view" on me was correct, or they killed someone they knew wasn't the seer. But of course, the existence of the SK muddles this to some degree. Which is why I think you pushing my play as SK rather than anti-town is pretty damn suspicious. It feels like you know the implications of the Stelio kill but are pretending you don't.

That and even without the SK ...

Also its not a pure seer/vanilla setup so yea the water is more muddled.

[WWWwombat]

Anyway, I'ma go cool off for a bit.  I should be back before EOD.

[Darthe]

Thread died.  Nobody answered my question about when DL is.  

[WWWwombat]

Also, suggestions for any Serial Kills I may possess would be appreciated.

[WWWwombat]

 

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[Tommyrod]

Vote Count D2.15:

Verbarm (4): Nyn [#2192], Saladtosser [#2202], Pral [#2500], Kivam [#2638]
Kivam (3): AJ [#2373], Deslami [#2623], Wombat [#2693]
AJ (2): Kivam [#2365], Verbarm [#2562]
Pral (1): Thane [#1931]
Deslami (1): DPR [#2316]
Cass (1): Wombat [#2631]
Wombat (1): Darthe [#2681]

Unvote (1): Cass [#2187]

Not Voting (4): Hallia, Krak, Rags, Tress

At the gallows: Verbarm

Reminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.

[Cass]

Why should your read on other players depend so much on me?  Why don't you just vote who you think is scum?

They don't depend on you, they depend on the logic or lack thereof I identify in your reasons for 'having' the same opinion as me. Who knows why? Perhaps because I'm new, potentially once-bitten-twice shy on running off on my own against one of the two 'big' players, because I'm insecure and I hate miscommunication and losing and being wrong? Which is why this whole thing frustrates me because, if you're Town, isn't the idea to work together to catch out the scum? If another player agrees they have the same scum read as you (you and I with Kiv), but voices doubts over potential holes in their reasoning, and confusion over why you could then think DPR is clear Town - wouldn't the best TOWN move be to work through the logic and confirm the votes are sound?

 

 

 

Cass what I don't get... If you think both Kivam and DPR are scum - why do you prefer a DPR lynch?

 

 

I don't. I (currently) prefer Kiv, and DPR is confusing me. That's why I unvoted, early in the day. I voted DPR last round because of his whole involvement in the Yates-Sili-DPR seer cover thing. None of them answered me directly when I pushed that I thought it highlighted the possibility that Yates might be a wolf, fishing for 'other' seers. I don't care what anyone says, one thing that does seem strange to me, in a board where I've been told that seer cover is not common, is someone jumping on a hardclaim seer straight away. DPR was pushing the same opinion as me - that Yates and Sili were acting like scum by repeatedly defending 'seer cover' as a concept, as opposed to hardclaiming seer as a move. I looked at Yates some more. We had a direct discussion about exactly this, and while I did that I looked more at DPR too. I started to think that DPR and Sili may have set things up. And then I (stupidly) abandoned my questioning of Yates because I thought that DPR was scum. I voted Sili because I thought he was in on it too - working with DPR but that noone would support a DPR vote D1 (about that at least, I was right).  Which in the end is probably what Sili meant about tinfoil and why I was 'apologising' to him in one of my posts - I've mentioned all of this before (that apology to Sili was actually meant to be for end-game too, btw, pointing out the lesson I had learned thanks to him about not thinking someone's scum just because they're associating with someone who you think is scum too). Anyway. Over 'night' I looked at DPR and Kiv and the possibilities of what night player roles may have killed Yates and decided to step back. During the day, the more I look at Kiv, the more 'calculations' and 'twistings' I see in his words. He speaks the truth and 'fact' a lot, but the way he colours it seems to have a consistent theme of scare the Town. The fact that I was one of the central players he decided to scare the Town most directly with jumps out at me incredibly. What concerns me is that DPR has done the same, and neither of them have done anything of the  ('direct') sort with the other player. This (without links etc) is not the way I imagined presenting this idea. I don't like telling you ideas without showing you where they came from. Hmmf.

 

 

 

Based on this I'm willing to CFD Wombat.

I'd support this as well

Everyone...  I know I'm probably just incredibly dense here. Whatever. Say I am. It would help if I knew what the objective of this was, besides everyone jumping on someone else because of mob mentality...