Defining DM Mafia Roles and Balance

[Tommyrod]

No matter what we need to outlaw random mod-chosen scum recruitments on N7

 

Grrrr Mynd

[Nolder]

No matter what we need to outlaw random mod-chosen scum recruitments on N7

 

Grrrr Mynd

Let's not forget who necessitated the need for that bad decision in the first place.

Mynd made the wrong move but it was Darthe's cheating that forced him into that position.

[Tommyrod]

MK Darthe, don't convert people completely at random and break you game.

[Arsis]

No matter what we need to outlaw random mod-chosen scum recruitments on N7

 

Grrrr Mynd

Worked out well for me.

[Nolder]

MK Darthe, don't convert people completely at random and break you game.

Sure. But again that was a bad decision made by Mynd who was under pressure from the dead thread, the mafia QT, the live thread, etc at the very end of a long game. 

In my opinion it's an innocent case of bad decision making.

 

I see what Darthe did as a malicious violation of everyone's trust.

Point being Mynd is not the bad guy in the situation.

[Arsis]

 

 

MK Darthe, don't convert people completely at random and break you game.

Sure. But again that was a bad decision made by Mynd who was under pressure from the dead thread, the mafia QT, the live thread, etc at the very end of a long game.

In my opinion it's an innocent case of bad decision making.

 

I see what Darthe did as a malicious violation of everyone's trust.

Point being Mynd is not the bad guy in the situation.

I have to agree. Darthe was intentionally malicious in trying to game a mod and break the game. I'd put what he did a step down from zanube.

[Nolder]

 

 

MK Darthe, don't convert people completely at random and break you game.

Sure. But again that was a bad decision made by Mynd who was under pressure from the dead thread, the mafia QT, the live thread, etc at the very end of a long game.

In my opinion it's an innocent case of bad decision making.

 

I see what Darthe did as a malicious violation of everyone's trust.

Point being Mynd is not the bad guy in the situation.

I have to agree. Darthe was intentionally malicious in trying to game a mod and break the game. I'd put what he did a step down from zanube.

 

Sure. Which is why I kept pressing him to admit what he did and apologize and he just kept throwing it all back on Mynd.

That's why for my part I'm done with him. What happened disgusted me and I'll never trust him to play fair again.

I'm continually surprised that I'm the only one that feels this way but w/e. You all do what you want.

[Verbal32]

(thread on roles and balance just got awkward)

[Verbal32]

Just lynch me and you'll feel better.

[Clovdyx]

To the best of my knowledge, that was Mynd's fault and Darthe should be absolved of any blame.  I'll throw in the disclaimer as I've only heard about it through the rumor mill, but if my understand is correct, it's all on the mod.

[Tommyrod]

Darthe pushed the limits knowingly but I disagree with Mynd's random conversion regardless of circumstances. That can't ever be a good idea.

[Arsis]

To the best of my knowledge, that was Mynd's fault and Darthe should be absolved of any blame. I'll throw in the disclaimer as I've only heard about it through the rumor mill, but if my understand is correct, it's all on the mod.

 

Darthe gamed the mod. Played stupid when people told him he was intentionally misrepresenting what the mod said. Mynd's decision based on what Darthe did is a separate issue. Darthe was 100% in the wrong.

[Clovdyx]

What I heard was Darthe asked if he could do something.  Mynd said yes.  Darthe did it.  

 

If that's accurate, that's entirely on Mynd.  If you don't want a player doing something, don't get them permission.  If I ask the mod who the entire scum team is and they tell me, that's their problem.  Now obviously if that's not accurate, then I don't know - like I said, I've only heard it through the grapevine.  

[Nolder]

What I heard was Darthe asked if he could do something.  Mynd said yes.  Darthe did it.  

More to it than that.

 

Darthe was "jailed" with me in a QT but I was going to die so Darthe asked if he could post about what we were talking about or some such. I forget exactly the way Darthe said it. Mynd said "you can post whatever you want" not understanding that Darthe was asking if he could post the actual link for the QT and I was like that doesn't include the link to this QT though right? Because in the rules in the OP it said not to link QT's. And Darthe was basically like "he said whatever I want so yes" and I was like obviously he didn't mean that you should wait for clarification first. He ignored me and posted anyway which heavily influenced the game IMO because I was scum trying to manipulate townie Darthe and I don't think he realized that but others would. When confronted he just kept pushing responsibility for his actions back on Mynd because Mynd misspoke.

[Nolder]

To reiterate, since I know I explained that badly because my memory is fuzzy on the details of exactly what was said, it was clear in the rules of the game set out from the very beginning that QT's were not to be linked. There were over a half dozen QT's during that game and none had been linked up to that point which was nearly the very end of a long game. Darthe knew better, there is no way he couldn't. He abused the fact that Mynd misspoke in order to give himself/town an advantage that shouldn't have existed.

[Arsis]

Mynd didn't mispeak. It was obvious to anyone with halfna brain that mynd was saying he could talk about the qt and not post the link. You even told him and he didn't wait for clarification.

[Darthe]

I'm not shocked that the two people who were butthurt then remain butthurt. 

 

I remain firm that I did nothing outside of my understanding or the moderators provisions and that the unintended consequences of this action were handled poorly by Mynd, who chose to punish me instead of remaining impartial.  

 

I would point out that Arsis, you of all people should really STFU about it since you intentionally joined my next game to ruin it.  

[Arsis]

I'm not shocked that the two people who were butthurt then remain butthurt.

 

I remain firm that I did nothing outside of my understanding or the moderators provisions and that the unintended consequences of this action were handled poorly by Mynd, who chose to punish me instead of remaining impartial.

 

I would point out that Arsis, you of all people should really STFU about it since you intentionally joined my next game to ruin it.

 

I did nothing against the rules. I gamed your rules the same way you gamed mynd. I'm not sure why the same set if rules doesn't apply for everyone.

[Darthe]

Aaaand if we are dredging this back up here we go.

 

Link to the QT.  Posts 34 and 35.

 

LewisFriend

08-28-2014

07:08 AM ET (US)

You are still jailed until the end of Night 6.

You can post anything you like.

34

Darthe

08-27-2014

09:53 PM ET (US)

EDIT

DELETE

@Mynd am I still jailed and can I post this QT or any info from it?

 

 

Rules list stated that posting of PM's was allowed, hence the question.  

 

QT did not ever specify that it couldn't be posted, though others did.

 

Waited 12 hours for him to change his mind because Nol thought he had misspoke before I decided to move forward with action.

 

Post action Mynd punished our team in such a way that he 90% handed the game to mafia.  

 

Nol died and continued posting after death without penalty.  

 

Arsis got recruited, making him and Nol winners.

 

Arsis joins my game with intent to hurt it and Nol continues to bitch about this two months later.

 

Remind me where I am at fault here?

 

Here is the post where Mynd ended day, depriving town of a lynch and then converted a random player to mafia with 5 people left in the game.  

 

Here is Nol admitting that Mynd said I could post the QT.

 

Nolder

08-28-2014

05:18 PM ET (US)

I know he did.
I don't think he meant it though.

 

 

 

 

I feel the need to mention that this was probably the worst I've ever played in a game, but that's irrelevant to the discussion at hand.  

 

Here is me posting the QT and making a generally terrible post in a mafia game.

 

Here is Tommy linking his QT after I linked mine because (understandably) he thought he could do so.  However, it does say in its first post that he cannot, again making it apparent that the mod not including that in my QT and his response to me were mod oversight rather than player manipulations.

 

Here is Arsis joining my game to mess it up (starts in the late 30's, admits to it in the 40-43 area) after being a total douche to me in the Mynd game (where admittedly I was playing poorly).

 

 

So, guys, do we need to continue arguing this?  

[Arsis]

We can talk about it in person if you want

[Darthe]

 

I'm not shocked that the two people who were butthurt then remain butthurt.

 

I remain firm that I did nothing outside of my understanding or the moderators provisions and that the unintended consequences of this action were handled poorly by Mynd, who chose to punish me instead of remaining impartial.

 

I would point out that Arsis, you of all people should really STFU about it since you intentionally joined my next game to ruin it.

 

I did nothing against the rules. I gamed your rules the same way you gamed mynd. I'm not sure why the same set if rules doesn't apply for everyone.

 

There is a vast difference between a mod making an error which a player innocuously misinterprets and intentionally joining a game to look for ways to break it.  

 

For starters, one of them is cheating and the other isn't.  One of them is mod based and the other is player based.  One of them is the sort of slimy low shit that I wouldn't spit on and the other is a mistake.  Your guess which I think is which.  I'll not be saying more on this.

[Darthe]

We can talk about it in person if you want

How tough of you.  Bye.

[Arsis]

 

 

 

I'm not shocked that the two people who were butthurt then remain butthurt.

 

I remain firm that I did nothing outside of my understanding or the moderators provisions and that the unintended consequences of this action were handled poorly by Mynd, who chose to punish me instead of remaining impartial.

 

I would point out that Arsis, you of all people should really STFU about it since you intentionally joined my next game to ruin it.

I did nothing against the rules. I gamed your rules the same way you gamed mynd. I'm not sure why the same set if rules doesn't apply for everyone.

There is a vast difference between a mod making an error which a player innocuously misinterprets and intentionally joining a game to look for ways to break it.

 

For starters, one of them is cheating and the other isn't. One of them is mod based and the other is player based. One of them is the sort of slimy low shit that I wouldn't spit on and the other is a mistake. Your guess which I think is which. I'll not be saying more on this.

I was within the rules. I didn't nothing against your game's policy or dm's policy. Not my fault you can't handle your own behavior.

[Nolder]

So, guys, do we need to continue arguing this?  

No. I'm done arguing with you.

You're wrong and you wont admit it.

You should be banned from mafia on DM.

For whatever reason Verbal is choosing to overlook it (I don't think anyone formally complained so maybe that's why) and people are still choosing to play with you.

That's their choice I guess, for my part you've lost any respect I once had for you and I wont sacrifice my integrity to play with someone who clearly has none.

[Tommyrod]

What have I done