[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

[Yates]

In general I think tom is capable of the same things when wolf or village. The way I tell them apart is how frequent his scum tells are, and whether they're pointed or blunted.

Yeah, it's still a play style thing I'm working out fully. I'm not sure if Tommy or Cory know how to play a full game of mafia without being mean spirited, demeaning, or condescending at some point as either alignment. So I try not to let that color my reads. And that can be a chore.

 

I'll actually put something together tomorrow if I get a chance. See if I can figure out what's what.

[Alanna]

 

FYI, Yates, I don't really see manbat or Tommy as being illogical, I just think they're meta-reading each other as town right now. That's what I got.

Yeah.  I agree with you on this.  But the EARLY portion of the clear is what irked me.  Because it seemed like it came without enough info.

 

The context you are missing is the VS game that just ended that everyone is talking about.  The scum tactic in that game was to hard clear each other with no explanation and since Tommy and Cory were two of the scum they just expected the Town to follow via inertia.  And it worked way too well.  So that set off a HUGE red flag for me.

 

 

Ah okay, thanks for the explanation. I had kind of surmised that Tommy had won big in that game as scum, but I didn't realize about the hard clearing. So I get more now why that irked you from Tommy and manbat. I thought you were hurt mad about their win :P

 

[Alanna]

The way he broke it up, and added the actual answer to  a spoiler.

 

Hmm. Okay. I don't really see anything weird from it myself.

[Yates]

Thane thinking Krak had intentionally roled a female player as a female character was definitely super weird, but I'm not sure I find it scummy. If it had come out of nowhere, but he seemed to be responding to Krak pointing out there could be clues or hints in the scenes he writes.

Thane is a little weird. All he needed was a wiki link and he dropped it. Maybe because he saw the life line? But probably because he didn't actually think things through before posting. I'm okay with seeing him think things through in the thread. He's going to take a beating - from EVERYONE that posts a catch up post - but at least he isn't hiding. I'm going to say that Townie of him.

[Yates]

Ah okay, thanks for the explanation. I had kind of surmised that Tommy had won big in that game as scum, but I didn't realize about the hard clearing. So I get more now why that irked you from Tommy and manbat. I thought you were hurt mad about their win :P

No problem. Also, Manbat was the mod of that game. He was FULLY aware of how disastrous that tactic was. This is a comment from him in the dead thread in that game:

a cory/tom wolfteam was pretty unfortunate for the village since people just like to clear them for the sake of clearing them

That's why I went after him a bit.

[Arsis]

Hey folks.

 

Catching up, getting a grip etc.

 

 

 

maybe i read too much into the intro, but it seems that the female character is plotting revenge. Therefore 1 player leading scumteam, female player more likely.

 

Or, my meds are messing with me and i see ghosts

What? Why the hell would the flavour indicate a person of any gender would receive any particular role? This is implying that @Mod didn't randomize roles across the entire playerbase, you do realize? Also the Verabl buddying is a little obvious.

 

 

 

 

The down side of being Leelou's hydra partner is that now I can't follow up on my policy lynch promise.

 

The plus side of being Leelou's hydra partner is that now I can follow up on my Cory AND Hally policy lynch promises with a single vote!

 

[v]HalCore[/v]

 

Huzzah!

Sorry for rustles, will be on best behavior

This pinged. Both, actually. @Yates for policy talk which is gross, @cory for promising to lay low?

 

 

nver read the book, perhaps should have. Thanks Yates, there goes my theory.....

Wow so yeah, you thought mod roled a female character to a female player?

Really?

 

 

 

I'm going to pretend Verbal has town cred for coming out strong and "scumhunting" but I'm really suspicious of him jumping on something small so soon.

Also this. While Verb's push is genuine, it's seems just a little too strong for the evidence at hand. But I'm leaning toward that being excited by a potential scumread.

@Sili and @Tommy are null at the moment but being involved, which is a plus. Is Tommy normally this ...this?

@Desp entry - wow. Ok. Ping for you too. But later Desp proves to be Despish by most accounts so, egh.

@Cory - Heavy defense noted. But I always have trouble reading through emotion and tend to write it off as scum. But hydra halli makes me wonder especially given-

@Yates' cheering of Halli, which seems... friendly. I don't like friendly.

@manbat handing out town reads like candy. Forms a list. I didn't really question it until I realised very little of the reads had reasons. Hrmm.

 

 

 

~4 Wolves in

 

Pral

Alanna

Rags

Arsis

Yates

Key

Dice

Berf

 

So let's try to clear half this list and lunch from the rest

 

Shouldn't be too hard

This post is especially nonsense. 4 wolves in 3/4 of the game. Most of those people haven't posted yet. This is what you post ad scum to pretend scum hunt.

+1. Though it should be noted that I'm on this list, so my objection is probably implied.

 

 

 

It's not AtE when Yates literally will not speak to him.

Oh is he asking me stuff? I have him on ignore.

That's certainly one way to play the game where talking to people is kind of the point.

If he is your scumread, then you would want him to keep talking day 1 surely, in case something slips? either way, you've ruled out the possibility of him being town by refusing to engage, limiting your effectiveness for town.

 

 

 

Right so.

 

Townish on Verb, Tommy, sili, desp despite myself and maybe halli. p-edit and now Allana.

 

Scummish on Cory (But the halli play hrmm), Yates and Thane. The mod handing out roles like that is pretty damn unheard of. I'd vote Thane out of the two of them.

 

Nothing much else has stood out. Apart from the fact that this is on page 34 already jesus krak what have you gotten me into.

You agree with all of my posts but I'm not town lean? :(

[monstrman]

 

Ah okay, thanks for the explanation. I had kind of surmised that Tommy had won big in that game as scum, but I didn't realize about the hard clearing. So I get more now why that irked you from Tommy and manbat. I thought you were hurt mad about their win :P

No problem. Also, Manbat was the mod of that game. He was FULLY aware of how disastrous that tactic was. This is a comment from him in the dead thread in that game:

a cory/tom wolfteam was pretty unfortunate for the village since people just like to clear them for the sake of clearing them

That's why I went after him a bit.

 

 

I'm allowed to be a hypocrite without being a wolf

[Andrej]

Hi Alanna :)

 

Ftr those arguing about manbat & co. clearing each other early being wolfy are wrong. It's just how they play. This sort of interaction is likely to happen regardless of their individual or collective alignments except for maybe those ~rare occasions where one of them is obviously off, which isn't likely going to be readily visible until later phases. I get the hysteria after the VS game but I really don't think there's anything that is going to stop it. Besides if they all randed wolf again together we are already doomed so you might as well just pucker up and take it :sleepy:

 

More seriously though I do like Hallia's content this round. I think her and Cory as a hydra is going to elevate her play greatly. I look forward to seeing their reads as things progress.

 

Dice is likely a villager for how he approached me on the subject. I feel for one he's very transparent and two his simple justification. Dice is a gutty player and that is an example of how I expect him to articulate an early read.

[Sili Quirrels]

I'm a leaf on the wind, in autumn storm

Waiting for the find, of mine own form

 

 

Don't know who to vote for anymore

[Andrej]

Here's how I see it:

The way Yates is acting right now is suicidal. Does he do this as scum? I don't know.

Tom before our last two games I would call this point by you villagery.

 

Unfortunately now I am aware that you are very capable of formulating natural thought occurrences that I would agree with in my villager mind as a wolf

 

Something like this happened in the Firefly game where I felt we mind melded on Nyn being villagery for suspecting I may have rolled scum for my attitude.

[Arsis]

I didn't play the vs game. So, I don't know what happened there. They're just actually scummy to me. Cory and tommy had terrible intro's and have had multiple scummy posts. Cory is tripping over himself to put an excuse for him to coast. Tommy is aTe all over the place. Hasn't actually scum hunted at all yet.

 

Manbat is reminding me of the game I was scum with him.

[monstrman]

I didn't play the vs game. So, I don't know what happened there. They're just actually scummy to me. Cory and tommy had terrible intro's and have had multiple scummy posts. Cory is tripping over himself to put an excuse for him to coast. Tommy is aTe all over the place. Hasn't actually scum hunted at all yet.

 

Manbat is reminding me of the game I was scum with him.

 

Tommy isn't AtE

 

Hallia's slot is completely readable

 

playing a scum game with someone isn't exactly a reliable way to read them as scum, you have to village against them as scum first

 

Are you sure you're not just mad that we're all voting for you?

[Arsis]

 

I didn't play the vs game. So, I don't know what happened there. They're just actually scummy to me. Cory and tommy had terrible intro's and have had multiple scummy posts. Cory is tripping over himself to put an excuse for him to coast. Tommy is aTe all over the place. Hasn't actually scum hunted at all yet.

Manbat is reminding me of the game I was scum with him.

 

 

Tommy isn't AtE

 

Hallia's slot is completely readable

 

playing a scum game with someone isn't exactly a reliable way to read them as scum, you have to village against them as scum first

 

Are you sure you're not just mad that we're all voting for you?

I called you all scum before you voted for me. So, that's not exactly true. In fact it's a lie. :(

[Andrej]

 

 

Key's skepticism of me felt a liiiiiiiiiittle overdone but I'm not gonna pick a fight with her before seeing more thread action

Could be nothing

 

 

You mean my one question? 

 

Yeah, man, so overdone.

  

 

I'm not sure what you are looking for here? I apologize if you don't like my choice of words and if it was hurtful - it was not my intention; is never my intention, which I believe you know. I was trying to ask if your statement there was a tell for you or if it was neutral. So, I will retract my original statement and ask:those of you who have played with Cory as scum, which I never have, is his reaction regarding Verb not liking his joke, a neutral reaction or something more of a tell, in your opinion(s)?

I didn't really like the snappy tone in these posts. Maybe it's just Key being all kinds of preggo right now

[Andrej]

Alanna is looking good already which makes me happy.

[Andrej]

Not a huge fan on Berf's wall but I haven't played with him in a while and neither has he so he probably isn't familiar with the culture shift that has hit DM lately. A lot of his points come from what I would consider older DMafia "tells" if you will.

[monstrman]

 

 

I didn't play the vs game. So, I don't know what happened there. They're just actually scummy to me. Cory and tommy had terrible intro's and have had multiple scummy posts. Cory is tripping over himself to put an excuse for him to coast. Tommy is aTe all over the place. Hasn't actually scum hunted at all yet.

Manbat is reminding me of the game I was scum with him.

 

Tommy isn't AtE

 

Hallia's slot is completely readable

 

playing a scum game with someone isn't exactly a reliable way to read them as scum, you have to village against them as scum first

 

Are you sure you're not just mad that we're all voting for you?

I called you all scum before you voted for me. So, that's not exactly true. In fact it's a lie. :(

 

 

I'm still open irt your alignment

 

I'm not really sure if you're being villagery for yourself or not

[monstrman]

I'll probably figure it out later but I should have been in bed ages ago

[Andrej]

Arsis is null for me.

 

I don't think anything he's really done so far is extremely wolfy for him

 

The bravado about catching scum D1 even if the thread suggests otherwise is probably villagery though

[Andrej]

The Manbat cannot rest.

 

This village needs a hero

[monstrman]

I'll be the hero the village deserves

 

but not the one it needs right now

[Andrej]

@Dice -Look into my souland know these words are true;Lee and I are Townand can not lie to you.

  

 

@AJ - We need our Ned Nederlander to ride again.

These are villager Yates posts.

[Andrej]

Yates I think it's mildly wolfy of you to ignore me here

Get @ me

I actually think this post was mildly wolfy seeing it again

 

Get @ me

 

i'm town again... yaaaaaay~

sigh.

life hates me.

Villager OP imo

[Nynaeve]

Hi AJ :)

[Nynaeve]

 

VOTE COUNT

 

 

Team Cuddles (1): Arsis

Tommy (4): AJ, Sili, Des, Yates

AJ (1): Dice

Arsis (3): monstr, Tommy, Team Cuddles

 

 

Not Voting: The rest of you lot.