[Advanced] Kronos and Kaylee's Firefly Mafia Won

[Nynaeve]

I'm not that sold about Thane. I dunno.

[Tommyrod]

Yeah. I recall reading about sandwiches earlier. I'll look if Csarmi is in peril. Let me get caught up on the stuff since I entered the game first before back tracking.

This post made me laugh and I don't know why. I want a Clov or Wombat lynch today for being drooling slimy woofs. Which do you think is more likely scum? Clov? Read last night's fight between Salami/Sili and Wombat/Clov and LMK.

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count:

 

Csarmi (4): Leelou, Des, Wombat, Clov
Wombat (4): AJ, Tommy, Csarmi, Sili
Clov (1): Nyn
Thane (1): Des

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline Set for Friday 9pm MST

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141017T21&p0=3862&fg1=80c2da&msg=End+of+Day+1&csz=1

Not Voting (7): SP, Thane, Pral, Verbal, Alanna, Yates, Hally

 

[csarmi]

semi-mindmeld: Tommy gets why I call it w/w

 

Des is scum.

 

 

Des/Thane looks w/w to me.

 

 

I see why csarmi would think its w/w because Des seems too sure and Thane seems like he's not threatened. It's the kind of slap fight I saw in TG/Vos last game. That said, Des could be super convinced because I see similar self referential behavior from Thane as last game.

Same question to Thane 2x

 

So anything stands out to you Thane?

 

 

Thane, let's talk about something else. Anything standing out so far as either good or bad?

THane is frozen 2x

 

Thane is FROZEN.

 

 

Thane bailed yo

Sandwich:

 

 

Thane bailed yo

Get off my sandwich.

 

[Nynaeve]

CLOV!!!

[Yates]

 

I like Alanna's approach to the game so far.

Can you talk to me about her? I have some philosophy I'll share soon but she was one of the people in my mental mix of those that need spotlight.

 

Did you ever do this? Might help explain why I feel so bleh about her.

[Nynaeve]

That was at Tommy.

[Yates]

 

Yeah. I recall reading about sandwiches earlier. I'll look if Csarmi is in peril. Let me get caught up on the stuff since I entered the game first before back tracking.

This post made me laugh and I don't know why. I want a Clov or Wombat lynch today for being drooling slimy woofs. Which do you think is more likely scum? Clov? Read last night's fight between Salami/Sili and Wombat/Clov and LMK.

 

K. I haven't gotten there yet but as of my entry post I have Womby as my likely vote for today. We'll see if that changes.

[Nynaeve]

Where be Verbal? I don't wanna miss him passing out like a girl.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

I don't know if it's occurred to anyone, but what wombat and clovdyx are doing is fishing for a wagon. They aren't genuinely concerned with whether csarmi is scum.What they need is a scapegoat to fill a sinking boat, so they're doing their best to exacerbate some sketchy but not altogether unreasonable play for a town.

It's absolutely unreasonable play for town. When "That post I made was a town post!" is the BEST defense you have going for yourself, that's a bad sign. When you willingly admit to abandoning your own reads to follow sheep somebody else's, it's a bad sign. When every post you make seems to contradict the way the game has gone....it's a bad sign.

 

The fact you're trying to discredit people for this conclusion looks a lot worse for you than it does for us IMO because I see ZERO reason for reading him as town. And no, I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt because he blew up and self voted after minimal pressure a few hours into the game.

Clov, you're pushing Salami as scummy for playing bad instead of trying to figure out whether he can be town despite playing bad. You're reminding me of my scum game again -- specifically how I get late game mislynches by preventing players from forming a plausible explanation for their behavior.

 

Not sure if Clov/Wombat would be w/w while so blatantly double teaming. Clov probably isn't above that though; our coordinated hammer in the Tron game comes to mind.

 

Wombat, you don't have any read on Clov despite appearing to agree with him a lot last night in the Great Siliami Wars?

 

 

No, I'm pushing him because I find his play scummy.  Can he be town and he's just playing a game that I find absolutely scummy?  Sure.  And my top townies can be mafia despite playing a game that seems incredibly pro-town, but I'm not going to lynch them over it.  I haven't seen a single post from Csarmi that makes me feel good about him.  You've got...what?  That he blew up and probably wouldn't burn his town meta that way?

 

Like, I don't understand YOUR approach to him this game.  You say I'm preventing him from providing a reasonable explanation.  He had plenty of opportunity to do so.  Instead, he repeated he same post half a dozen times about how he wasn't defending Hallia, even though anybody paying attention to the thread would seemingly disagree with that.

 

Look at everything I've said about Csarmi.  What am I wrong about?  What are you seeing that I'm not?  

[Tommyrod]

 

 

I like Alanna's approach to the game so far.

Can you talk to me about her? I have some philosophy I'll share soon but she was one of the people in my mental mix of those that need spotlight.

Did you ever do this? Might help explain why I feel so bleh about her.

Yes, about 5 posts later. Des hated the theory because he is a dingus.

 

I have almost zero opinion of her and can't remember anything she's said. Which is probably bad.

[Yates]

semi-mindmeld

Okay. That's why I didn't notice it. Those are TERRIBLE examples and absolutely do NOT in any way resemble "mindmelds."

 

1st quote, for example. That's just Tommy "understanding your train of thought" and, as he put it earlier when I questioned him on something, that doesn't mean he necessarily AGREES with it. So that's not a midmeld.

 

2 people pushing on Thane to post is not a mindmeld.

 

2 people noticing that Thane called it quits for the day is not a mindmeld.

 

You aren't finishing each other's sentences or anything like that. You are just poking at obvious poke points.

[WWWwombat]

Everything Des says about me in 1677 is garbage:

 

 

1.  I am a trending candidate.  That is clearly evidenced by how many votes I'm getting.  And "no longer a suspect" was Sili's language.  I didn't consider myself a suspect until very recently.  No one has actually pointed to anything scummy I've done.  AJ and Tommy were all about incorrect tone reading, Salami was opportunistic, Sili seems to be sheeping, and you're just calling random crap scummy for some reason, Des.

 

2.  The point about Hallia would be a good one in general, but given how little substance Hallia actually posts, I find posts that are solely aimed at defending herself to be sketchy.

 

3.  Point about Alanna is asinine.  I'm defending something Alanna said, not Alanna herself.  I still don't have much of a read on Alanna but that doesn't mean I can't agree or disagree with something she says.

 

4.  Not my fault if you don't explain context, dude.  That would be your fault.

 

5.  Point about my reads list is terrible.  The reads list I made when hydraing with you was very extreme for me and a one-time thing due to the fact that I wanted to try using our hydra to make an aggregate reads list.  You know that.  You know what went into it.

[Sili Quirrels]

Since when do I sheep?

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

 

I don't know if it's occurred to anyone, but what wombat and clovdyx are doing is fishing for a wagon. They aren't genuinely concerned with whether csarmi is scum.What they need is a scapegoat to fill a sinking boat, so they're doing their best to exacerbate some sketchy but not altogether unreasonable play for a town.

It's absolutely unreasonable play for town. When "That post I made was a town post!" is the BEST defense you have going for yourself, that's a bad sign. When you willingly admit to abandoning your own reads to follow sheep somebody else's, it's a bad sign. When every post you make seems to contradict the way the game has gone....it's a bad sign.

 

The fact you're trying to discredit people for this conclusion looks a lot worse for you than it does for us IMO because I see ZERO reason for reading him as town. And no, I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt because he blew up and self voted after minimal pressure a few hours into the game.

Clov, you're pushing Salami as scummy for playing bad instead of trying to figure out whether he can be town despite playing bad. You're reminding me of my scum game again -- specifically how I get late game mislynches by preventing players from forming a plausible explanation for their behavior.

 

Not sure if Clov/Wombat would be w/w while so blatantly double teaming. Clov probably isn't above that though; our coordinated hammer in the Tron game comes to mind.

 

Wombat, you don't have any read on Clov despite appearing to agree with him a lot last night in the Great Siliami Wars?

No, I'm pushing him because I find his play scummy. Can he be town and he's just playing a game that I find absolutely scummy? Sure. And my top townies can be mafia despite playing a game that seems incredibly pro-town, but I'm not going to lynch them over it. I haven't seen a single post from Csarmi that makes me feel good about him. You've got...what? That he blew up and probably wouldn't burn his town meta that way?

 

Like, I don't understand YOUR approach to him this game. You say I'm preventing him from providing a reasonable explanation. He had plenty of opportunity to do so. Instead, he repeated he same post half a dozen times about how he wasn't defending Hallia, even though anybody paying attention to the thread would seemingly disagree with that.

 

Look at everything I've said about Csarmi. What am I wrong about? What are you seeing that I'm not?

How many people that know Salami pretty well have told you he's more likely to be town? One of his huge scum tells last game was that he didn 't get emotional. He's just a very emotional person and takes personal affronts to heart as town. There's several little things sprinkled on top like sandwiches and the fact that he's still here and fighting against your scurrilous slander and the fact that he's a strong counter wagon to one of the scummy players in this game and you've got a probable townie cake. Last game he and I could read Tress as town despite her never even commenting on the game, just being upset. Some play doesn't make sense as scum and like Sili I think making himself a lightning rod of negative attention qualifies.

[WWWwombat]

Thane asking Despo about what happens when he flips was not a scumclaim.  I've done that as town many times when I think someone hasn't thought things through.

[Tommyrod]

 

semi-mindmeld

Okay. That's why I didn't notice it. Those are TERRIBLE examples and absolutely do NOT in any way resemble "mindmelds."

 

1st quote, for example. That's just Tommy "understanding your train of thought" and, as he put it earlier when I questioned him on something, that doesn't mean he necessarily AGREES with it. So that's not a midmeld.

 

2 people pushing on Thane to post is not a mindmeld.

 

2 people noticing that Thane called it quits for the day is not a mindmeld.

 

You aren't finishing each other's sentences or anything like that. You are just poking at obvious poke points.

And you think it's likely that scum would be thinking the same way that I was at the same moment, even if it's something that seems small to you? There are maybe 5 wolves I know who can do this to me. Salami is not one of them.

[Yates]

It's those that are near the bottom of the POE but seem to always float back up a little when it matters that will be scum.

This is your Alanna read? Or just your rant? I actually like this thought in theory. I'd have to look back and see if it proves out, though, because I do know we've had a lot of "clear" Townies that were wolves recently - like Arsis in Corey's game off the top of my head.

[WWWwombat]

 

hurray for multiposts

 

I think Des has a plan for when i flip town, he'd have his suspects and a flip on my side would give him info. So, let's say i actually flipped town, what then? 

 

Thane you know and I know you are never flipping town this game

 

No townie ever says "What happens if I actually flip town"

 

You scum claimed

 

This is a terrible point to make against someone who probably learned French before he learned English.  In French, "actuellement" has a slightly different meaning that is more like "presently."  It's actually somewhat of a false cognate.

 

Also, IIRC that wasn't Thane's first post on the subject.

[WWWwombat]

Des, here's a question for you. Should i be killed (lynched, Nk'd, vigged, whatever) and flip town (which i would), how would that affect your vision on the game? In other words, who'd be prime suspect?

 

This is Thane's original question.  Seems null to me.

[Tommyrod]

 

It's those that are near the bottom of the POE but seem to always float back up a little when it matters that will be scum.

This is your Alanna read? Or just your rant? I actually like this thought in theory. I'd have to look back and see if it proves out, though, because I do know we've had a lot of "clear" Townies that were wolves recently - like Arsis in Corey's game off the top of my head.

It was a swirling thoughts segue because it seemed like Alanna was heavily in the background and could qualify but she hasn't attracted negative attention so it wasn't about her specifically, she just reminded me to share it.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

 

I don't know if it's occurred to anyone, but what wombat and clovdyx are doing is fishing for a wagon. They aren't genuinely concerned with whether csarmi is scum.What they need is a scapegoat to fill a sinking boat, so they're doing their best to exacerbate some sketchy but not altogether unreasonable play for a town.

It's absolutely unreasonable play for town. When "That post I made was a town post!" is the BEST defense you have going for yourself, that's a bad sign. When you willingly admit to abandoning your own reads to follow sheep somebody else's, it's a bad sign. When every post you make seems to contradict the way the game has gone....it's a bad sign.

 

The fact you're trying to discredit people for this conclusion looks a lot worse for you than it does for us IMO because I see ZERO reason for reading him as town. And no, I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt because he blew up and self voted after minimal pressure a few hours into the game.

Clov, you're pushing Salami as scummy for playing bad instead of trying to figure out whether he can be town despite playing bad. You're reminding me of my scum game again -- specifically how I get late game mislynches by preventing players from forming a plausible explanation for their behavior.

 

Not sure if Clov/Wombat would be w/w while so blatantly double teaming. Clov probably isn't above that though; our coordinated hammer in the Tron game comes to mind.

 

Wombat, you don't have any read on Clov despite appearing to agree with him a lot last night in the Great Siliami Wars?

No, I'm pushing him because I find his play scummy. Can he be town and he's just playing a game that I find absolutely scummy? Sure. And my top townies can be mafia despite playing a game that seems incredibly pro-town, but I'm not going to lynch them over it. I haven't seen a single post from Csarmi that makes me feel good about him. You've got...what? That he blew up and probably wouldn't burn his town meta that way?

 

Like, I don't understand YOUR approach to him this game. You say I'm preventing him from providing a reasonable explanation. He had plenty of opportunity to do so. Instead, he repeated he same post half a dozen times about how he wasn't defending Hallia, even though anybody paying attention to the thread would seemingly disagree with that.

 

Look at everything I've said about Csarmi. What am I wrong about? What are you seeing that I'm not?

How many people that know Salami pretty well have told you he's more likely to be town? One of his huge scum tells last game was that he didn 't get emotional. He's just a very emotional person and takes personal affronts to heart as town. There's several little things sprinkled on top like sandwiches and the fact that he's still here and fighting against your scurrilous slander and the fact that he's a strong counter wagon to one of the scummy players in this game and you've got a probable townie cake. Last game he and I could read Tress as town despite her never even commenting on the game, just being upset. Some play doesn't make sense as scum and like Sili I think making himself a lightning rod of negative attention qualifies.

 

 

 

So I should discount my read, based on his gameplay, due to the metaread of people whose alignment I don't know?  Stop it.  AJ and you are PROBABLY town (more convinced on AJ than you based on how you've been approaching me lately)...but you're both good enough to be convincing early.  You're also both bad enough that you can be wrong if town - just like anybody else.   I certainly could be wrong about him, but his play makes me confident enough to take that risk.

 

 

Also, LOL at "your scurrilous slander".  Great job.  

[Sili Quirrels]

Wombat and Despothera strike me as people who I could think of as scum even if they were town. I don't know what to think.

[csarmi]

 

 

I like Alanna's approach to the game so far.

Can you talk to me about her? I have some philosophy I'll share soon but she was one of the people in my mental mix of those that need spotlight.

 

Did you ever do this? Might help explain why I feel so bleh about her.

 

a little I think... and later I changed my mind... I didn't like her read list and ger subsequent posts... btw i have no idea how to read Alanna and didn't really try hard. she's on my suspect list cause of that dislike and cause I don't really know

 

does that make sense?

 

probably not

 

sorry, can't really help ya with Alanna

[Clovdyx]

 

Des, here's a question for you. Should i be killed (lynched, Nk'd, vigged, whatever) and flip town (which i would), how would that affect your vision on the game? In other words, who'd be prime suspect?

 

This is Thane's original question.  Seems null to me.

 

 

Des is greatly overstating it by saying it's a scumclaim, but throwing "(which I would)" in there seems like overdoing it to me.  There's a lot of ways to make that point across more simply.