[Advanced] Kronos and Kaylee's Firefly Mafia Won

[Sili Quirrels]

i assume you're okay with that.

[csarmi]

My favourite was the "why does csarmi have to reread".

[Clovdyx]

Oh and he loves to misquote and take things out of context to change the meaning. Stuff like that.

 

Also I used to think he rarely takes an active part on D1 unless Mafia but I guess that's not true anymore.

 

Do you think he misrepped or misquoted your actions?  Would he not make that observation as town?

 

 

Morning;

 

What can I do to change that scum feel?

 

@Tommy - I agree, it is odd that so many are saying I'm scummy, but no one's feeling brave enough to vote.

 

Yeah, that is odd.  Maybe not in the way you imply though.  Also, this post was entirely aimed at defending yourself.  Do not like.

 

 

What are you seeing as odd there?  I thought her observation there was spot on.  Tone or something?

 

Pretty sure Wombat is not town here.

 

Keep going dude you're outed to me. Was it worth it to have a shot at mislynching me? I doubt it.

 

How the hell is he outed?  Earlier this morning, you were saying you were unsure on him based of gut.  Earlier you said you couldn't press him because he was around and you would need to re-read, which you wouldn't do.  Now he's outed for pointing out every defense you've made this game is you saying how obvious town you are?

[Sili Quirrels]

wolves prowl in a pack is what im thinking.

[Clovdyx]

im convinced wombat is scum.

 

if im wrong afterward, lynch me or kill me. ill take it. i don't know 100% but i'm going to take the risk i'm right and keep my vote where it is.

 

as to csarmi, while I'm sure it's possible he's scum, my read of him is he's the village fool so all this 'scummy' behavior seems typical to me.

 

This is scummy AND bad play.  I know you said you're not 100% but it implies you're pretty damned sure.  If you ARE town, please do not make posts like this.  It's okay to be wrong on a read if you can justify your position.  It's not okay to put your life on the line to lynch somebody.

 

 

Wombat's treating me is never town ever. Remember this. I know him better and he knows me better. He would read me town here 100% of the time here if he didn't have a scum agenda. More importantly, he wouldn't treat my points that way - I know that he knows what I mean.

 

May be able to pull quotes from work... But I'm like 99% sure that Womby is scum here.

 

So he would read you throwing multiple temper tantrums, abandoning your own reads to sheep somebody else, and contradicting yourself on several occasions as town?  I'm no Wombat expert, but this doesn't sound like you're describing the same person I'm thinking of.

[Sili Quirrels]

it's my life to do with as i will.

[WWWwombat]

im convinced wombat is scum.

 

if im wrong afterward, lynch me or kill me. ill take it. i don't know 100% but i'm going to take the risk i'm right and keep my vote where it is.

 

as to csarmi, while I'm sure it's possible he's scum, my read of him is he's the village fool so all this 'scummy' behavior seems typical to me.

 

That's an odd offer for a guy in his 3rd or 4th game to make.

 

 

And for those who are wondering why I am suspect on Wombat - the best I can explain is that it's a gut feeling.

 

I typically associate Wombat with a lot of bravado as a villager and I'm not getting that vibe this game. I think THAT is probably the biggest tell. Wombat not being an obvious villager is probably a bad thing imo

 

I doubt I could pull a singular post of his and explain in depth why it's scummy or whatever, it's just the general vibe I get when reading over him. I thought his first few angles were consensus-y irt Thane/Sili after the game started. I do think his progression has gotten better but I have some reservations because Csarmi IS making himself look pretty bad on his own so voting him right now makes 'sense' so to speak.

 

I've been sitting back a bit more than usual this game as I don't have as much time as I'd like, but I don't think I've lost my bravado.

 

 

Wombat's treating me is never town ever. Remember this. I know him better and he knows me better. He would read me town here 100% of the time here if he didn't have a scum agenda. More importantly, he wouldn't treat my points that way - I know that he knows what I mean.

 

May be able to pull quotes from work... But I'm like 99% sure that Womby is scum here.

 

I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

 

 

Wombat's treating me is never town ever. Remember this. I know him better and he knows me better. He would read me town here 100% of the time here if he didn't have a scum agenda. More importantly, he wouldn't treat my points that way - I know that he knows what I mean.

 

May be able to pull quotes from work... But I'm like 99% sure that Womby is scum here.

this goes both ways you know. saying that wombat reads you really well, if wombat turns up town, you'll need to be investigated/lynched/killed just to confirm you're not scum.

 

 

Don't like this post at all.  Dude just said the reason he's not scum reading Salami is that he reads Salami as the village fool.  Now he's saying that if I flip town, Salami should pay large?  When AJ and Tommy have been even bigger parts of my train?  Doesn't make any sense.

[csarmi]

 

 

@AJ - I explained that in detail. I wanted to have a better read on Hally myself and it was evident to me (and should be for people who know Hally) that the way Despo been doing it was never gonna work in fact it should have the opposite effect.

Okay.

 

Still unsure why you reacted the way you did though, arguing over semantics and what not.

I hate when people say black is white. Also semantics might matter where people use call words like that to mean scummy.

 

I didn't white knight or defend... Whatever those mean. (They seem to have a negative connotation... I think that's BS BTW you should always defend your strong town reads but whatever)

 

I helped or mediated. It was necessary.

 

Or as Hally put it I acted like a catalyst.

 

There is not just a word of difference but a world of difference. I'm pretty sure you would see it and I have already pointed out but here it goes:

 

You should always help when things are going wrong. That's one of your jobs as a townie. Things were going wrong here. From what I knew of Hally and her situation and the way they interacted on the thread right there I was sure that the way Despo was questioning her was not helping. Not helping to read Hally and not helping Hally's WIM.

 

Defending is a different thing entirely. Defending someone makes sense when you are quite sure of their alignment (either via mechanical reason (masons, cop read, you being scum and having TMI or via reads). When Despo and others were pressing my button by repeating that I was defending her obviously they meant this AND the TMI version obviously. Despo even pulled my behaviour of defending Tress last game as scum... Except I had a very strong town read on her (aside from my scum role pm lol) so I defended her.

 

See the difference?

[csarmi]

 

 

Wombat's treating me is never town ever. Remember this. I know him better and he knows me better. He would read me town here 100% of the time here if he didn't have a scum agenda. More importantly, he wouldn't treat my points that way - I know that he knows what I mean.

 

May be able to pull quotes from work... But I'm like 99% sure that Womby is scum here.

this goes both ways you know. saying that wombat reads you really well, if wombat turns up town, you'll need to be investigated/lynched/killed just to confirm you're not scum.

This is silly... And scummy.

 

But yea I'm that confident. He never flips town here.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

@AJ - I explained that in detail. I wanted to have a better read on Hally myself and it was evident to me (and should be for people who know Hally) that the way Despo been doing it was never gonna work in fact it should have the opposite effect.

Okay.

 

Still unsure why you reacted the way you did though, arguing over semantics and what not.

I hate when people say black is white. Also semantics might matter where people use call words like that to mean scummy.

 

I didn't white knight or defend... Whatever those mean. (They seem to have a negative connotation... I think that's BS BTW you should always defend your strong town reads but whatever)

 

I helped or mediated. It was necessary.

 

Or as Hally put it I acted like a catalyst.

 

There is not just a word of difference but a world of difference. I'm pretty sure you would see it and I have already pointed out but here it goes:

 

You should always help when things are going wrong. That's one of your jobs as a townie. Things were going wrong here. From what I knew of Hally and her situation and the way they interacted on the thread right there I was sure that the way Despo was questioning her was not helping. Not helping to read Hally and not helping Hally's WIM.

 

Defending is a different thing entirely. Defending someone makes sense when you are quite sure of their alignment (either via mechanical reason (masons, cop read, you being scum and having TMI or via reads). When Despo and others were pressing my button by repeating that I was defending her obviously they meant this AND the TMI version obviously. Despo even pulled my behaviour of defending Tress last game as scum... Except I had a very strong town read on her (aside from my scum role pm lol) so I defended her.

 

See the difference?

 

 

Then why did you say you were doing so?

 

And you're right saying it's scummy is BS, but that doesn't apply to you anyway.

[WWWwombat]

My favourite was the "why does csarmi have to reread".

 

It's called a rhetorical question.  But if you want to answer it, you still can.

 

 

 

 

Morning;

 

What can I do to change that scum feel?

 

@Tommy - I agree, it is odd that so many are saying I'm scummy, but no one's feeling brave enough to vote.

 

Yeah, that is odd.  Maybe not in the way you imply though.  Also, this post was entirely aimed at defending yourself.  Do not like.

 

 

What are you seeing as odd there?  I thought her observation there was spot on.  Tone or something?

 

 

I was implying that the people who didn't want to vote her could just as easily be scumbuddies distancing rather than scum unwilling to commit to a mislynch.  The criticism she leveled is valid, but not very meaningful on its own imo.

 

 

it's my life to do with as i will.

 

Not if you're town it isn't.

[WWWwombat]

Salami, was Hallia a strong town read of yours or not?  You can't have it both ways.

[Andrej]

Salami, was Hallia a strong town read of yours or not?  You can't have it both ways.

 

This.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

Morning;

 

What can I do to change that scum feel?

 

@Tommy - I agree, it is odd that so many are saying I'm scummy, but no one's feeling brave enough to vote.

 

Yeah, that is odd.  Maybe not in the way you imply though.  Also, this post was entirely aimed at defending yourself.  Do not like.

 

 

What are you seeing as odd there?  I thought her observation there was spot on.  Tone or something?

 

 

I was implying that the people who didn't want to vote her could just as easily be scumbuddies distancing rather than scum unwilling to commit to a mislynch.  The criticism she leveled is valid, but not very meaningful on its own imo.

 

I can agree with that.

[csarmi]

Also i keep getting accused that I meta defend and such instead of actually playing and showing.

 

I am playing and showing. And when people take my townie looking posts and use them as scumtells and examples of scummy behaviour I say so.

 

Not much more I can do when:

 

I'm being called out for my town behaviour .

I'm being called for not showing (while all I do is show... Look at my posts maybe)

 

It is being repeated over and over but that don't make it true. In fact I find it absurd.

[csarmi]

 

 

 

 

@AJ - I explained that in detail. I wanted to have a better read on Hally myself and it was evident to me (and should be for people who know Hally) that the way Despo been doing it was never gonna work in fact it should have the opposite effect.

Okay.

 

Still unsure why you reacted the way you did though, arguing over semantics and what not.

I hate when people say black is white. Also semantics might matter where people use call words like that to mean scummy.

 

I didn't white knight or defend... Whatever those mean. (They seem to have a negative connotation... I think that's BS BTW you should always defend your strong town reads but whatever)

 

I helped or mediated. It was necessary.

 

Or as Hally put it I acted like a catalyst.

 

There is not just a word of difference but a world of difference. I'm pretty sure you would see it and I have already pointed out but here it goes:

 

You should always help when things are going wrong. That's one of your jobs as a townie. Things were going wrong here. From what I knew of Hally and her situation and the way they interacted on the thread right there I was sure that the way Despo was questioning her was not helping. Not helping to read Hally and not helping Hally's WIM.

 

Defending is a different thing entirely. Defending someone makes sense when you are quite sure of their alignment (either via mechanical reason (masons, cop read, you being scum and having TMI or via reads). When Despo and others were pressing my button by repeating that I was defending her obviously they meant this AND the TMI version obviously. Despo even pulled my behaviour of defending Tress last game as scum... Except I had a very strong town read on her (aside from my scum role pm lol) so I defended her.

 

See the difference?

Then why did you say you were doing so?

 

And you're right saying it's scummy is BS, but that doesn't apply to you anyway.

I didn't say so. You can take that out of context and try and reinforce that cause it helps your scum agenda. But that don't make it true.

 

I explained it a few times and I'll do it the last time here:

 

Despo said I was white knighting. I meant that if that's what he calls white knighting I'm guilty as charged and I will always do so. Quote the context and quote the post. It is evident what I mean.

[Clovdyx]

Also i keep getting accused that I meta defend and such instead of actually playing and showing.

 

I am playing and showing. And when people take my townie looking posts and use them as scumtells and examples of scummy behaviour I say so.

 

Not much more I can do when:

 

I'm being called out for my town behaviour .

I'm being called for not showing (while all I do is show... Look at my posts maybe)

 

It is being repeated over and over but that don't make it true. In fact I find it absurd.

 

This is precisely what I'm talking about.  We're supposed to discern your alignment.  I do this by looking at what you say and make an educated guess if it's more likely to come from town or scum.  If I conclude scum and explain why, you saying "No, that's a town post!  You're scum for reading me that way", I have zero incentive to change my mind.  

 

If you want to sway people, refute allegations.  Address concerns.  Clear up misinterpretations (and any other causes of confusion).  Pointing fingers and insinuating that somebody HAS to be scum because you don't think they would read something a certain way accomplishes nothing.  

[WWWwombat]

You're probably the only one who finds it absurd, Salami.  The vast majority of your defenses have been that a behavior that people have pointed to as scummy is town for you.  The only one of your actions that you're trying to defend as objectively town is your action with respect to Hallia.  But that action looked much more aimed at buying town cred than getting Hallia to defend herself.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

 

@AJ - I explained that in detail. I wanted to have a better read on Hally myself and it was evident to me (and should be for people who know Hally) that the way Despo been doing it was never gonna work in fact it should have the opposite effect.

Okay.

 

Still unsure why you reacted the way you did though, arguing over semantics and what not.

I hate when people say black is white. Also semantics might matter where people use call words like that to mean scummy.

 

I didn't white knight or defend... Whatever those mean. (They seem to have a negative connotation... I think that's BS BTW you should always defend your strong town reads but whatever)

 

I helped or mediated. It was necessary.

 

Or as Hally put it I acted like a catalyst.

 

There is not just a word of difference but a world of difference. I'm pretty sure you would see it and I have already pointed out but here it goes:

 

You should always help when things are going wrong. That's one of your jobs as a townie. Things were going wrong here. From what I knew of Hally and her situation and the way they interacted on the thread right there I was sure that the way Despo was questioning her was not helping. Not helping to read Hally and not helping Hally's WIM.

 

Defending is a different thing entirely. Defending someone makes sense when you are quite sure of their alignment (either via mechanical reason (masons, cop read, you being scum and having TMI or via reads). When Despo and others were pressing my button by repeating that I was defending her obviously they meant this AND the TMI version obviously. Despo even pulled my behaviour of defending Tress last game as scum... Except I had a very strong town read on her (aside from my scum role pm lol) so I defended her.

 

See the difference?

Then why did you say you were doing so?

 

And you're right saying it's scummy is BS, but that doesn't apply to you anyway.

I didn't say so. You can take that out of context and try and reinforce that cause it helps your scum agenda. But that don't make it true.

 

I explained it a few times and I'll do it the last time here:

 

Despo said I was white knighting. I meant that if that's what he calls white knighting I'm guilty as charged and I will always do so. Quote the context and quote the post. It is evident what I mean.

 

 

I don't have "a scum agenda".  I have "literacy".

 

 

 

I'm not giving Thane a break because he's in Disneyland- I don't like parking a vote on someone who doesn't look likely to be lynched, AND if he IS town he wouldn't have much time to prove that before deadline

 

Hallia IS here otoh, and is able to respond.

 

Please stop White Knighting her Csarmi. She's a big girl and can defend herself, and I don't want yyou and her to turn into a Turin/Ithi situation

 

I'm white knighting everyone you fluffy bunny. When i feel a different approach is needed i try to help.

 

 

I like to think I'm a very intelligent person.  Assuming I'm GREATLY over estimating myself and I'm just above average, I STILL don't see how you can expect anybody to interpret that any way but "Yes, I am white knighting her".

[WWWwombat]

Salami, you gonna scum read Clov now to buddy Tommy even more?  How about taking an original stance?

[WWWwombat]

I'm not giving Thane a break because he's in Disneyland- I don't like parking a vote on someone who doesn't look likely to be lynched, AND if he IS town he wouldn't have much time to prove that before deadline

 

Hallia IS here otoh, and is able to respond.

 

Please stop White Knighting her Csarmi. She's a big girl and can defend herself, and I don't want yyou and her to turn into a Turin/Ithi situation

 

I'm white knighting everyone you fluffy bunny. When i feel a different approach is needed i try to help.

 

 

I like to think I'm a very intelligent person.  Assuming I'm GREATLY over estimating myself and I'm just above average, I STILL don't see how you can expect anybody to interpret that any way but "Yes, I am white knighting her".

 

 

Meh.  I think he was more trying to imply that he wasn't defending Hallia to any extraprdinary degree.  A contention I don't agree with.

[csarmi]

I also find it...... weird..... that despite my stance on him he's still townreading me and allegedly willing to follow my lead. He prolly knows that buddying me won't do him any good.

Correct. I'm town reading you cause

 

A) your posts make sense to me

B) you have belief in what you're saying

C) it is apparent to me that you do try to figure out my alignment (genuine)

 

I'm happy to follow you cause:

 

A) you're my strongest town read

B) you are a GOAT when it comes to towning

C) your case makes sense and reinforce my impression

 

Don't worry I won't follow you everywhere and I will point out when I think you're taking the wrong direction.

[Nynaeve]

Interesting.

[WWWwombat]

 

I also find it...... weird..... that despite my stance on him he's still townreading me and allegedly willing to follow my lead. He prolly knows that buddying me won't do him any good.

Correct. I'm town reading you cause

 

A) your posts make sense to me

B) you have belief in what you're saying

C) it is apparent to me that you do try to figure out my alignment (genuine)

 

I'm happy to follow you cause:

 

A) you're my strongest town read

B) you are a GOAT when it comes to towning

C) your case makes sense and reinforce my impression

 

Don't worry I won't follow you everywhere and I will point out when I think you're taking the wrong direction.

 

 

Why don't you make, and take responsibility for, your own decisions?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

im convinced wombat is scum.

 

if im wrong afterward, lynch me or kill me. ill take it. i don't know 100% but i'm going to take the risk i'm right and keep my vote where it is.

 

as to csarmi, while I'm sure it's possible he's scum, my read of him is he's the village fool so all this 'scummy' behavior seems typical to me.

 

That's an odd offer for a guy in his 3rd or 4th game to make.

 

 

And for those who are wondering why I am suspect on Wombat - the best I can explain is that it's a gut feeling.

 

I typically associate Wombat with a lot of bravado as a villager and I'm not getting that vibe this game. I think THAT is probably the biggest tell. Wombat not being an obvious villager is probably a bad thing imo

 

I doubt I could pull a singular post of his and explain in depth why it's scummy or whatever, it's just the general vibe I get when reading over him. I thought his first few angles were consensus-y irt Thane/Sili after the game started. I do think his progression has gotten better but I have some reservations because Csarmi IS making himself look pretty bad on his own so voting him right now makes 'sense' so to speak.

 

I've been sitting back a bit more than usual this game as I don't have as much time as I'd like, but I don't think I've lost my bravado.

 

 

Wombat's treating me is never town ever. Remember this. I know him better and he knows me better. He would read me town here 100% of the time here if he didn't have a scum agenda. More importantly, he wouldn't treat my points that way - I know that he knows what I mean.

 

May be able to pull quotes from work... But I'm like 99% sure that Womby is scum here.

 

I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

 

 

Wombat's treating me is never town ever. Remember this. I know him better and he knows me better. He would read me town here 100% of the time here if he didn't have a scum agenda. More importantly, he wouldn't treat my points that way - I know that he knows what I mean.

 

May be able to pull quotes from work... But I'm like 99% sure that Womby is scum here.

this goes both ways you know. saying that wombat reads you really well, if wombat turns up town, you'll need to be investigated/lynched/killed just to confirm you're not scum.

 

 

Don't like this post at all.  Dude just said the reason he's not scum reading Salami is that he reads Salami as the village fool.  Now he's saying that if I flip town, Salami should pay large?  When AJ and Tommy have been even bigger parts of my train?  Doesn't make any sense.

 

Something you need to know, but should already know is I am boastful and confident until i make mistakes. And I do make them but not enough to warrant a change in personality.

 

What csarmi said was predicated on you knowing him very well. In the off-chance you flip town, csarmi would be the next on my list.

 

I would prefer to investigate him by the way. I don't think being wrong necessitates a kill.