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[Yates]

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1. Hally

First post is a blatant ~sheep of Tommy in 227. Arg. Probably villiagery of her, though.

Hally yields to pressure and unvotes in 370. Another gross Hally Town move.

 

2. AJ

Makes the first 2nd vote on a player - Sili - in #16.

Nothing really notable until post 227 when he likes the Wombat vote. I do too.

Yeah. I likek 293. AJ probably Town.

 

 

3.SickPuppets

4.Thane

Lulz entry with everyone possible scum post 35. Meh

Calls out WWWwombat for scum reading him due to what Des may be thinking. My thoughts exactly.

 

5. Pral

6. Clov

Finally arrives with a vote on Leelou for "seven straight games."

388 says Nyn and Hally are both Town. Again - why Nyn? Agree with Hally. Claims scum read on Leelou is legit.

436 - Clov Gambit? I don't recall seeing one of those before.

 

7. Leelou

MANY posts of zero sustance to start.

Claims she can see Nyn as Town because Nyn appears relaxed. Not sure I'm buying this.

Votes Csarmi out of the blue when he is catching heat in 478

 

8. Verbal

Bunch of junk.

Challenges Thane on questioning WWWwombat on something *I* would have questioned WWWwombat on. Do not like.

Retracts in 196 - so reaction test I guess?

 

9. Des

Decides to "target" Thane with his Desness.

Finally back in the 550's with some crazy theories.

560 is a better explanation for why he really voted Thane - meta scumbro experience.

Not sure why he's against the WWWwombat votes?

"Wombat, Nyn, Sili, and AJ all look Purdy good right now, Wombat And Nyn especially so" Again - why Wombat?

592 Quotes the exact post that made me decide Nyn was probably Town as a Lock Town post. Des is probably Town.

Disagree with greening Clov in 594 but we can talk later.

597 - Also agree that Csarmi is looking for others to make his points early. Might even just sheep Des.

 

10. Alanna

12. Csarmi

RVS vote Sili in #14.

"Des/Thane looks w/w to me." Joking? #59

Why does he specifically ask Tommy about Sili's entry? #63

Backs up an RVS vote with Sili claiming he's a hippocrite #76

403 I agree that the Nyn Town read seems early and unsupported.

407 undoes the good will with the vote on Leelou. Again. WHY?

 

13. Womby

Enters with fear that he won't outpost the mods

Claims Thane and Sili - the only two people anyone has pretended to have scum reads on - are scum leans. Do not like.

"Thane for some of the tone things that Des seems to have seen." Rings as hollow - he doesn't know Des's reason for starting on Thane.

WWWwombat is digging in to his Thane scum read in 197.

FINALLY makes a post I agree with in 517 calling Leelou null, Nyn just becoming Town, and Clov's lock clear excessive.

545 "Salami quitting doesn't actually make sense to me as either alignment unless he's truly burnt out or he's symping someone or something." Symping? What?

 

14. Sili

OMGUS RVS Votes Csarmi in #15.

Later unvotes for no apparent reason.

 

15. Tommy

Claims to have meta knowledge on Sili looking wolf as VT

Takes Csarmi's "w/w" post seriously and agrees

Votes Thane in next post [68] for weak reasons. RVS or serious?

Says Sili's "cockiness" caught his eye - still votimg Thane

Town reading Nyn for that 318 follow up? Wut?

 

16. Nyn

Asks Des to expand on his Thane read - then has about a dozen non game related posts - mostly about her bewbs and sitting in laps.

Finally enters the game in post 200 with opinion on Thane.

Why is Nyn asking TOM about AJ's preferences wrt rolling Town/Scum in 318?

Nyn gives Leelou a "likewise" Town read? She hasn't SAID anything!!

412 gives the back story. Feel better about that. She's targeting Clov. Seems reasonable. I've had Clov pegged as Town after two posts before. Not this game.

426 acknowledges Leelou hasn't done anything. So weird.

Nyn follows Leelou's vote on Csarmi with one of her own in 480

 

[Yates]

fair, i thought you were going to stop at 10. still, either way we cut the slice i think you're villagery, but it's nice to know you're making a solid effort.

 

good work.

 

and sorry for misjudging you.

I'm over it. I'm trying to suck it up and get caught up before going absent again tomorrow. But I'm out of beer. :/

 

FYI Yates, my seeing someone's perspective doesn't necessarily mean I agree with their conclusion; but I can follow their thought process so it's at least reasonable so it could be a villagery mindset

I would agree with you but what is this in regards to?

[Tommyrod]

 

FYI Yates, my seeing someone's perspective doesn't necessarily mean I agree with their conclusion; but I can follow their thought process so it's at least reasonable so it could be a villagery mindset

I would agree with you but what is this in regards to?

 

Your commentary on me, specifically about Salami and his Des/Thane w/w comment.

[Yates]

So you saw Csarmi's perspective but did not agree and voted Thane for other reasons? What were your reasons? I hadn't noted them.

[Tommyrod]

 

rofl... yeah, Csarmi, maybe you and Des are wolves, anything is possible

This response is over wrought as well.

 

[v]Thane[/v]

 

A mix of gut feels that this was a bad post and him doing the "haha I'm so villagery and carefree!" schtick from his just-ended wolf game where he skated by doing this exact thing.

[Yates]

Okay I lied. have to be up in 6 hours and drive all day so I can't get caught up tonight.

 

This is it through page 35:

 

1. Hally

First post is a blatant ~sheep of Tommy in 227. Arg. Probably villiagery of her, though.

Hally yields to pressure and unvotes in 370. Another gross Hally Town move.

 

2. AJ

Makes the first 2nd vote on a player - Sili - in #16.

Nothing really notable until post 227 when he likes the Wombat vote. I do too.

Yeah. I likek 293. AJ probably Town.

699 "Another thing with Wombat is that when he's a villager he wields it like a sword." Fair point.

 

 

3.SickPuppets

4.Thane

Lulz entry with everyone possible scum post 35. Meh

Calls out WWWwombat for scum reading him due to what Des may be thinking. My thoughts exactly.

 

5. Pral

6. Clov

Finally arrives with a vote on Leelou for "seven straight games."

388 says Nyn and Hally are both Town. Again - why Nyn? Agree with Hally. Claims scum read on Leelou is legit.

436 - Clov Gambit? I don't recall seeing one of those before.

Starting to look like Town posting in 613. "I don't follow this logic at all." re Des saying Tommy Town means Hally=lock scum. Me neither.

 

7. Leelou

MANY posts of zero sustance to start.

Claims she can see Nyn as Town because Nyn appears relaxed. Not sure I'm buying this.

Votes Csarmi out of the blue when he is catching heat in 478

 

8. Verbal

Bunch of junk.

Challenges Thane on questioning WWWwombat on something *I* would have questioned WWWwombat on. Do not like.

Retracts in 196 - so reaction test I guess?

 

9. Des

Decides to "target" Thane with his Desness.

Finally back in the 550's with some crazy theories.

560 is a better explanation for why he really voted Thane - meta scumbro experience.

Not sure why he's against the WWWwombat votes?

"Wombat, Nyn, Sili, and AJ all look Purdy good right now, Wombat And Nyn especially so" Again - why Wombat?

592 Quotes the exact post that made me decide Nyn was probably Town as a Lock Town post. Des is probably Town.

Disagree with greening Clov in 594 but we can talk later.

597 - Also agree that Csarmi is looking for others to make his points early. Might even just sheep Des.

603 "Pretty sure he's [Csarmi] trying to force his town meta, like hard" Noted. Will be looking for this.

606 "Town Clov likes early "gambits"" Is this true? I haven't seen it in our ~3 games recently.

 

10. Alanna

Arrives in 622. Not blown away by the opening. Totally feel her on Hally, though.

 

12. Csarmi

RVS vote Sili in #14.

"Des/Thane looks w/w to me." Joking? #59

Why does he specifically ask Tommy about Sili's entry? #63

Backs up an RVS vote with Sili claiming he's a hippocrite #76

403 I agree that the Nyn Town read seems early and unsupported.

407 undoes the good will with the vote on Leelou. Again. WHY?

 

13. Womby

Enters with fear that he won't outpost the mods

Claims Thane and Sili - the only two people anyone has pretended to have scum reads on - are scum leans. Do not like.

"Thane for some of the tone things that Des seems to have seen." Rings as hollow - he doesn't know Des's reason for starting on Thane.

WWWwombat is digging in to his Thane scum read in 197.

FINALLY makes a post I agree with in 517 calling Leelou null, Nyn just becoming Town, and Clov's lock clear excessive.

545 "Salami quitting doesn't actually make sense to me as either alignment unless he's truly burnt out or he's symping someone or something." Symping? What?

 

14. Sili

OMGUS RVS Votes Csarmi in #15.

Later unvotes for no apparent reason.

 

15. Tommy

Claims to have meta knowledge on Sili looking wolf as VT

Takes Csarmi's "w/w" post seriously and agrees

Votes Thane in next post [68] for weak reasons. RVS or serious?

Says Sili's "cockiness" caught his eye - still votimg Thane

Town reading Nyn for that 318 follow up? Wut?

 

16. Nyn

Asks Des to expand on his Thane read - then has about a dozen non game related posts - mostly about her bewbs and sitting in laps.

Finally enters the game in post 200 with opinion on Thane.

Why is Nyn asking TOM about AJ's preferences wrt rolling Town/Scum in 318?

Nyn gives Leelou a "likewise" Town read? She hasn't SAID anything!!

412 gives the back story. Feel better about that. She's targeting Clov. Seems reasonable. I've had Clov pegged as Town after two posts before. Not this game.

426 acknowledges Leelou hasn't done anything. So weird.

Nyn follows Leelou's vote on Csarmi with one of her own in 480

624 "Usually Clov is very neat and pretty much overwhelms me with his logic. Like I can sit there and just nod when I read his posts." Absolutely this.

 

[Yates]

 

 

rofl... yeah, Csarmi, maybe you and Des are wolves, anything is possible

This response is over wrought as well.

 

[v]Thane[/v]

 

A mix of gut feels that this was a bad post and him doing the "haha I'm so villagery and carefree!" schtick from his just-ended wolf game where he skated by doing this exact thing.

 

Understood. Thanks.

[Andrej]

Might put Yates as green for D1.

 

Yates I wish you would've voted/at least voiced who you wanted to vote in this situation

[Tommyrod]

Might put Yates as green for D1.

 

Yates I wish you would've voted/at least voiced who you wanted to vote in this situation

Yeah? I was just about to complain about him not really helping.

[Yates]

Well you both are going to have to wait until I'm caught up. Remember Kates?????

 

I'm not going to vote for someone based on stuff that may have been resolved over the last 15 pages I haven't read yet. You sound stupid for suggesting it.

[Tommyrod]

Well you both are going to have to wait until I'm caught up. Remember Kates?????

 

I'm not going to vote for someone based on stuff that may have been resolved over the last 15 pages I haven't read yet. You sound stupid for suggesting it.

It is you who is the doo doo head.

[Yates]

I didn't call you stupid - I merely pointed out that the post you made makes you sound that way.

 

"Yates! Make a vote based on partial information! That's the way to win this game!" - says no Townie ever. I think you need sleep as badly as I do.

[Tommyrod]

I can tell since I didn't even say that! HAH!

[hazelkrs1]

Catching up

[hazelkrs1]

Okay caught up. Quotes are grabbed and ready to go, but first a good ol SoC post:

 

Just since this is the most recent thing off the top of my head, Yates is LOCK CLEAR. Mainly for two reasons- 1. Declaring that he won't pull ANY gambits would severely limit his scum game in this scenario since that is one defense he could no longer pull and be able to hold any kind of legitimacy- that "it was all a gambit guys!". Not really any point to doing this as scum (limiting his options for defense) and I don't think this would buy him much town cred with most people so it just seems like a protown move period. Additionally I can see why he might limit his options irt gambits as a townie here since if I'm not mistaken he's seen some gambits blow up pretty spectacularly in his face recently as town. The other thing is his catchup/note posts. While there's actually a LOT I can disagree with in his notes (particularly irt Hallia, him saying stuff was bad town for her instead of possible wolf was kinda   and also disagree with Thane and Wombat stuff), he develops and expresses an IMMENSELY easy to follow progression of thoughts and reads. Now while this COULD be done as a move to look super townie, it would really require a LOT of work as scum to try and look transparent while also not letting anything slip, and well I just dont think Yates would be inviting that much work and responsiblity as scum in this situation, not when still having to catch up and whatnot.

 

So yeah, TLDR is Yates is LOCK CLEAR imo

 

Getting busy with crap at work so I kinda got derailed a bit but let's see... okay I STILL do NOT see anything that either Clov or Wombat look that bad, and I seriously think it's crap that people are pushing those angles so hard when better lynch options keep popping up. In fact, both of my generally stronger town reads keep making me want to tinfoil on them (AJ and Nyn) because both seem completely unwilling to reconsider those reads (Wombat in AJ's case, Clov in Nyn's case) even when they really probably should. Those town reads started to waver a bit because of that and other stuff, but I found other posts that made me want to reaffirm the town reads again.

 

But yeah @Nyn: Seriously, Clov was putting out new posts for a bit there, but instead of evaluating them to see if you should change your stance on him (which you should have) you kept listing him as part of your solve for the scum team while arguing with AJ instead. I still think you're town, but if you remain unwilling to reconsider stances and opinions I will be forced to eventually throw that town read out the window

 

@AJ: Seriously not liking how you're parking your suspicions on Wombat and just generally saying everyone should sheep you and Tom. Especially since Tom STILL looks somewhat questionable in my eyes (even recently the way he is STILL tunneling on Clov and Wombat and then acting like Yates looked bad when... he really didn't). Also don't really like how you keep saying you'd vote Hallia and promote her as a wagon but continue pushing Wombat... will make me more worried prob if Hallia is in fact scum

 

Speaking of Hallia, she still looks mega scummy. Wolfy pop ins, is deflecting more when defending herself instead of actually trying to explain herself better or determine her accuser's motivations, just kinda skipping over how others have pointed out obvious fail logic on her part... just everything looks bad there right now. Also gone is her towntell of defending others for meta stuff or w/e like Tom pointed out.

 

In fact since Thane IS gone all weekend, and well parking a vote on someone IS bad, might as well

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

Don't have much time and keep getting interrupted and need to do some stuff before audit so w/e just gonna fire from the hip with the rest

 

Yates made me think that if Leelou turns out to be scum, Clov might be as well for that early "gambit", could have actually been a distancing ploy

 

Need more from Leelou and Verb. Like a LOT more.

 

Alanna looking good. Not just how she seems to be seeing the same things I am, but also REALLY liked how she responded to others a few pages ago, looked townie to me.

 

Could be confbias on my part, but getting BIG TIME scum vibes off of Salami and Hallia interactions, def looks like it could be w/w stuff ITT to me

 

Besides that thing with Leelou, Clov still looks good to me. Liked his pressure of Sili

 

That being said, while I was agreeing with it at first (Clov's stuff on Sili) Sili has come to a couple of other people's defense recently in ways that don't look particularly wolfy... I wouldn't say he's clear by any means but I prob wouldn't lynch him today, would instead like more time to solidify a read there

 

Kk that's all I got for now, will be back later after audit with my mini quote blocks

[Tommyrod]

Really? I thought it was a super sketchy look for Clov that the one piece of work he did today was about Sili. As scum he hunts like a lion, not like a cheetah. He tests the strong then falls back after resistance and preys on the weak.

[hazelkrs1]

Tommy either you're scum, or you suck this game, or I suck this game

 

Only one of those options is bad for me so yeah

 

Cause all you're doing is tunneling on people I don't find wolfy at all really, and throwing soft push grenades my way every so often. Also that mafia meta thing about hunting in the middle of the pack was Kinda pointless imo as well, and also goes completely against what we've learned in DM mafia games lately- don't over think things and go for deep wolves, just lynch the most likely to be mafia

 

Imo that's Hallia today (considering Thane is gone so even if he is scum we'd have less interactions to judge off of and if he's town he wouldn't be able to prove it quick enough) and its not even close

[hazelkrs1]

Really? I thought it was a super sketchy look for Clov that the one piece of work he did today was about Sili. As scum he hunts like a lion, not like a cheetah. He tests the strong then falls back after resistance and preys on the weak.

Also not a fan of how you seem to be gauging the thread lately-

 

"Really? Cause I actually thought so and so..."

[Hallia]

And when I flip town?

 

Tom sounds fine to me.

[hazelkrs1]

And when I flip town?

 

Tom sounds fine to me.

You're doing absolutely ZERO to try and show your towniness if you ARE town so I'd likely be pretty irritated with you

[Hallia]

Just because I don't do long WoT doesn't mean I'm doing zero.  I'm sorry you feel that way.

 

It's D1, there isn't much to go on besides guessing.

[hazelkrs1]

If you ARE town tho Hallia, try this on for size

 

I thought your thing on Alanna was crap, and opportunistic

 

Why haven't you responded to people pointing out your fail logic?

 

Why are you just popping in every now and then to say something snarky, instead of actually try to be helpful to town?

[hazelkrs1]

Just because I don't do long WoT doesn't mean I'm doing zero. I'm sorry you feel that way.

 

It's D1, there isn't much to go on besides guessing.

I would never expect long wot's from you, ever.

 

Still don't think you're offering much at all here tho, and you have numerous things pointing to you being scum here SO IF YOU ARE TOWN you should want to fix that situation and turn things around so we don't start the game off with a mislynch

[Hallia]

If you ARE town tho Hallia, try this on for size

 

I thought your thing on Alanna was crap, and opportunistic

 

Why haven't you responded to people pointing out your fail logic?

 

Why are you just popping in every now and then to say something snarky, instead of actually try to be helpful to town?

 

Alanna explained further, and I unvoted.  Did you read more into it than I did or something?

 

I have been responding.

 

I'm the one who's snarky? Mmmmhm.

[csarmi]

Halleh hath teeth.