[Advanced] Kronos and Kaylee's Firefly Mafia Won

[Nynaeve]

That's the level of humor you get from me at 2:40 am

[Tommyrod]

 

It's a massive over reaction to minimal pressure early in the game. I don't know what that means towards his alignment. Overall though, I have him as mafia right now. I thought Tom's question regarding my point was perfectly valid, and then when he got resistance to the push, he said he "remembered wrong" - she had, in fact, been confident this game.

 

All of that's plausible, but then when I ask for examples, he told me to go back and look for myself.

This post about Salami is bizarre.

Clov, when I think about you and how you've approached this game, I think of posts like this. You come across as afraid to take stances until you know how the thread is flowing... and even when you do case someone, it reads totally garbled like the above.

 

If you want me to reconsider then you'll have to make a pretty convincing case for why we should lynch someone over you. And I don't mean semantics arguments or wishy washy "this looks good but this looks bad" type cases. I want you to really sink your teeth into someone and I want you to stake your life on them flipping scum. When I see that level of involvement and passion and find it to be a convincing argument I will make a serious effort to read your case without being colored by the idea that you're scum. Two strong scum cases would be best. If you can find a plausible link between the two, even better.

 

But you have to not sound like a weasel.

[Nynaeve]

Word

[Sili Quirrels]

if he goes after thane i'll laugh.

[Sili Quirrels]

New Scum List

 

Clovdyx, Thane, Lelou, AJ

 

Yellows are Wombat and Halli

[Sili Quirrels]

You know I'm Town, don't you?

 

I think you do.

is this suspicious tom? if it is, I would like to know whether clov or wombat commented on it, and if so how.

[Andrej]

Alright, I'm here for a bit.

 

Reading up again

[Andrej]

New Scum List

 

Clovdyx, Thane, Lelou, AJ

 

Yellows are Wombat and Halli

 

This is serious btw?

[Sili Quirrels]

ya, going a little with my gut here until tom gets back to me on your meta

[Leelou]

It's Lee(2 e's)lou.

[WWWwombat]

 

Kind of want to lynch Alanna.

 

"I want to see if Pral's reads change at all once he gets fully caught up. I do find it a weird list, but given that he was probably going through it fast and is only halfway through, I'm not calling scum on him yet. "

 

"I agree the formatting thing is weird, but I will definitely need more than that to consider a vote on him."

Alanna seems quite reasonable here. Unless really convinced, one shouldn't vote on a possible townie

 

 

 

Everyone is a possible townie...

 

Gross.

 

Srsly.  That statement Thane made says nothing.  And if everyone followed that philosophy, we'd never get a lynch on D1.

[WWWwombat]

 

More specifically, I'd like to see Clov respond to this:

 

 

 

 

I'm confused as to why Salami followed Clov and then unvoted before Clov clarified what he was trying to do.

I followed Clov cause i thought we saw the same thing there. Then i read back up and it turned out i remembered wrong.

 

Then came Clov and explained he didn't see that either.

 

Throwing kindle on fire are we?

 

 

Really, I haven't seen much of anything.  In addition to what Nyn already said about our conversation yesterday, she should be more than willing to confirm that I told her I associate Leelou being snarky with her scum game, since I saw a lot of it in ABBA.  Nyn told me she's that way regardless of alignment.  Probably true, but I have minimal experience with Town!Leelou.  But I've seen a little bit of it here.

 

Content wise, I couldn't even begin to form a read on her.  She has a couple posts of gameplay, but it's nothing I can really analyze her from.

 

Overall, I think it's perfectly reasonable for me to have SOME concern about her.  Again - serious push worthy?  Not at all.  But enough to make me try a move.

 

So, you already know I'm town? Trying to get me to blow up to get a mislynch on me, but Nyn ruined it for you? 

 

 

He seems to have completely ignored it.  And considering that it was something I was very curious about earlier, I find that disquieting.

 

I don't even remember seeing Leelou POST this.  I thought I answered you, though (or somebody that asked about it).  Whatever.

 

Leelou - The last statement ISN'T about you being town.  It's about snarkiness.  After the conversation between Nyn, you, and me I figured you wouldn't be to eager to participate early on if you rolled scum again.  You did have a decent amount of posting early in the game.  That would suggest town.  The tone of your posts slightly reminded me of when I played with you as scum though, so I was trying to elicit a response.

 

This is pretty similar to what you said earlier.  It didn't answer the question then, and doesn't answer it now.  What does "ut I've seen a little bit of it here" mean to you?

[WWWwombat]

 

I can accept that.

 

That comment wasn't about her town meta.  I'm talking about her snark.  I thought the exchange with Nyn implied I don't HAVE a town meta for her.  I can see how you would take it that way, though.

 

 

So what does "I have minimal experience with Town!Leelou.  But I've seen a little bit of it here" mean then?

 

 

From way back on p. 41.

[WWWwombat]

Clov, in normal English sytax, the sentence structure there would mean that "it" is a pronoun replacement for "Town!Leelou" as a concept.  Are you saying it refers to her snark instead?

[Andrej]

 

Verb playing up the laziness is kinda wolfy I think. I think he understands the game enough to know as a villager that it's more or less his duty to help collect information so just saying he's going to pick his top townie and sheep is #notagoodlook

 

I understand the game enough to know that I can't scumhunt properly without fully reading those ~70 pages I missed.  The next best thing is for me to identify my best town reads in real-time and a few ISOs, and go from there.

 

I don't like the sheep idea myself, but I don't have a better one that doesn't involve me not doing anything but read the game for the next 4 hours.

 

That's what you probably should be doing though. Your sheep idea basically allows you to buddy up to a villager and ditch all responsibility for your read if you're scum here.

 

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

I've been kinda keeping up over the last day or so, so I'm not completely out of thread flow.

 

Cliff notes: Wombat is looking more townie. Maybe he just had to shake the rust off cause he hasn't played in a few months. Don't think lynching him is optimal today as his game has picked up and I still think Hallia makes a good wagon.

 

Thane/Hallia/Clov wagons are probably decent imo

 

I have some issues with Pral's reads that I will address later. For one I don't think he's every town read me in a game when he was town, but that's kinda minor and just an amusing detail that comes to mind for me. I don't think his Wombat commentary is completely factual though and I do take issue with that. Means bad for Pral, maybe bad for Wombat.

 

Verb playing up the laziness is kinda wolfy I think. I think he understands the game enough to know as a villager that it's more or less his duty to help collect information so just saying he's going to pick his top townie and sheep is #notagoodlook

 

That's all for now, mostly. I'll be around some in real time tonight after the thread for my other game closes. Until then, keep on keeping on village.

 

So no actual explanation for the Hallia vote, and then you say you support Thane and Clov wagons but AGAIN, don't say anything about either of those

 

Actually - one more thing.

 

Yates wasn't it you in a recent game who said you got caught as a wolf for doing that type of catch-up notes posts?

 

Food for thought imo

 

Looks like a lazy wolfy sideline snipe to me

 

Dude what do I really need to continue harping on ITT? You want some commentary on Hallia? Look through my ISO for something other than what fits into your confbias narrative where I called her out for every single little wolfy thing she did. Parking her vote on me as potentially a 'joke vote' cover on around pg 14. Fail logic with me. Fail logic with Alanna. Wolfy pop ins. Large absences from the game. Lazy/sheep votes. She's got cleared because what - she made an 'attempt' to make constructive posts when she was catching heat?

 

Super villagery dude.

 

I've said my piece on Thane. Spaceballs game basically proved I read him pretty badly. I think you're a villager and you obviously seemed convinced so I'm comfortable sheeping my town reads D1. Same goes with Tommy irt Clov even though I have said before I think Clov could be a villager too.

 

I disagree.

 

I caught up and made what I feel are good posts.

 

But if you wanna waste a lynch on a vanilla go ahead.

 

lololol

 

I agree with Des about AJ, btw. Been howling some.

 

lololol

 

I've said that AJ is scummy. It wouldn't surprise me at allllll

 

I've discussed him a couple of times I believe. One where I thought his behavior was off, but that one got put on me.

 

Oh you have? Let's see it.

 

Cause I'm pretty sure I can go back and pull a fair amount of quotes where I make comments about you and the shady stuff you were doing.

[WWWwombat]

 

That's alright Sili. I know that basically nobody has cleared me as town yet.

 

I have no hidden agenda in this game, nor do i try to sound sly. I'm really just typing as i go. Perhaps i'm just an odd player, i dunno.

Stop it. You see how you're agreeing and then making an excuse right after? That's wolfy.

 

 

Why are you giving Clov advice on how to appear less scummy?  It almost looks like you're more interested in pushing a lynch on Clov through than "solving."

 

 

vote Clov

 

you're reaching, vote stays. Seems like i didn't have to wait EOD after all

 

Great.  Clov is now entering too scummy WIFOM territory.  I feel like good scummates would have warned him against a capricious vote on a competing train.

[Andrej]

Hallia is probably scum.

 

Nyn is just bad imo.

 

Despot is getting into that mode where he tries to fit everything he can into his own personal narrative so he can feel good about himself for solving the game.

 

Wouldn't be surprised at all if Thane flips villager and Hallia is actually a wolf that he's hard defending now.

 

Go figure.

[Andrej]

Mafia sure is tough sometimes though

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

That's alright Sili. I know that basically nobody has cleared me as town yet.

 

I have no hidden agenda in this game, nor do i try to sound sly. I'm really just typing as i go. Perhaps i'm just an odd player, i dunno.

Stop it. You see how you're agreeing and then making an excuse right after? That's wolfy.

 

 

Why are you giving Clov advice on how to appear less scummy?  It almost looks like you're more interested in pushing a lynch on Clov through than "solving."

 

 

vote Clov

 

you're reaching, vote stays. Seems like i didn't have to wait EOD after all

 

Great.  Clov is now entering too scummy WIFOM territory.  I feel like good scummates would have warned him against a capricious vote on a competing train.

 

he did that last game i played with him too.

[Sili Quirrels]

Hallia is probably scum.

 

Nyn is just bad imo.

 

Despot is getting into that mode where he tries to fit everything he can into his own personal narrative so he can feel good about himself for solving the game.

 

Wouldn't be surprised at all if Thane flips villager and Hallia is actually a wolf that he's hard defending now.

 

Go figure.

someone is mad

[Sili Quirrels]

not that i completely disagree with what you said about despot or thane

[Yates]

I think Clov's play makes more sense as scum than Thane's play does.

But you think one of them is scum regardless?

[WWWwombat]

I'm here, though I wish I wasn't. Blechhhh

 

I am reading thane as scum, pretty firmly

 

Care to elaborate?

 

 

I'm pretty sure I did a PR cover in my first game ever.

 

You're special.

 

 

Alright no one sane. :D

 

He does look quite silly though. In the best sense.

 

xD

 

 

i dont need to breadcrumb a pr claim. there's no incentive for it.

 

Don;t you think you've already done enough damage?

[Andrej]

Fwiw I think Tom is town. I think scum Tom would've abided by the 50 post thing, and used that as a tactic.

 

This is probably the worst town read I've ever seen. Know what Hallia likes to do as a wolf?

 

Buddy the strong villagers.

 

That's it

 

[v] AJ [/v]

 

He said his town streak was ending. MUAAAHAHAHAAA

 

Because of his long streak of being town. It's bound to be over.

 

It'll likely move.

 

Maybe.

 

~obvious villager already

 

I mean, I claimed in my OP. That's good enough right?

 

In all seriousness though Hallia

 

burying your vote on me D1 for something unrelated to my play ITT is not gonna be a good look.

 

Just my initial take on it.

 

We'll see how things go

 

Read this sequence and tell me I'm not a villager and Hallia isn't ~likely a wolf here

[Andrej]

 

Hallia is probably scum.

 

Nyn is just bad imo.

 

Despot is getting into that mode where he tries to fit everything he can into his own personal narrative so he can feel good about himself for solving the game.

 

Wouldn't be surprised at all if Thane flips villager and Hallia is actually a wolf that he's hard defending now.

 

Go figure.

 

someone is mad

 

You could say I'm rustled, sure.

 

Despot should be better than this to rescind his read on me like that. Especially over an obviously pro-wolf type player like Hallia, I don't care what she's claimed.

 

If he actually looked at those quotes irt Thane in context I think it's pretty clear that I was talking about him because he'd been broughten up by others.