Freemasons vs. Illuminati - Day One

[keyholder21]

Yates,

 

What do you think of dice after his question regarding PM title?  

[Hallia]

It sounded like he started to panic to me.

[Andrej]

Hardly going through trouble imo

 

I think you look scummy this game, so I'm pointing it out.

 

Your two votes today came with little reasoning and further more I disliked your GF pushing on D1. As I pointed out, you starting the wagon there allowed to avoid voting your already given town reads and provided Lenlo with an outlet to decrease his chances of being randomly lynched. This does look bad for you.

 

 

I would also like you to answer Clov's question about why you were willing to swap from Dice to Addi.

[Hallia]

I said why.  He made a good point and I was fine with giving her pressure.

 

Don't skim.

[keyholder21]

I'm removing myself, obviously. Seer claim would take it from 2/6 to 2/5 which I think is pretty legit although I'm not necessarily asking for them to come forward yet.

 

Either way, we have a 30% chance of being correct today, and with one of the Mafia already dead we buy ourselves another mislynch so we have some room for error.

idk, do you think them coming forward is more +EV than having their view at night?

[Clovdyx]

Clov/AJ - Am I wrong thinking the Masons should claim or are you guys fine just knowing our masons are the three unclaimed?

 

Don't really care either way.  If all three unclaimed players DO claim mason, I don't know that we're any better off - scum already knows who is town, and they can reasonably assume any townie that claimed nonmason is telling the truth.  I guess the only real benefit would be if one claims nonmason, so we know to look for two liars in the pile of eight?

[Andrej]

Clov/AJ - Am I wrong thinking the Masons should claim or are you guys fine just knowing our masons are the three unclaimed?

 

I don't think it's incredibly crucial. I have a good idea of who pairs with who already, so I'm good rolling with that for now.

 

We can't force them to claim, and given that none of the Masons are silly enough to claim VT in this situation, I'm fine letting those 3 be.

[Hallia]

You can dislike my push on GF all you want, doesn't mean I was wrong.

[Andrej]

I said why.  He made a good point and I was fine with giving her pressure.

 

Don't skim.

 

lol nice tone

 

Nobody is skimming Hallia, especially not me.

 

I saw your answer. Doesn't explain why you chose to vote Dice after me.

[keyholder21]

Hallia,

 

How do you feel about AJ & TG now?

[Andrej]

You can dislike my push on GF all you want, doesn't mean I was wrong.

 

Uh... considering he's VERY likely to be a Mason here, you were wrong.

 

I'm still trying to decide whether that was just ignorance or scummy.

[Yates]

@Key - Thanks for that. I forgot all about this post:

Key or Clov should unvote and vote Len imo.

I think this supersedes any other argument or concern you may have.

 

I mean, your biggest concerns raised above are that my reads were changing as people were bringing up points. I'm a VT. My reads will change. Especially on Day 1. In other words, you seem to be suggesting I might be scummy even though the evidence you raise explicitly suggests Town play. lol

[Andrej]

 

I'm removing myself, obviously. Seer claim would take it from 2/6 to 2/5 which I think is pretty legit although I'm not necessarily asking for them to come forward yet.

 

Either way, we have a 30% chance of being correct today, and with one of the Mafia already dead we buy ourselves another mislynch so we have some room for error.

idk, do you think them coming forward is more +EV than having their view at night?

 

Not today, perhaps.

 

We're lynching from the NM pool anyway, so if we lynch wrong it just increases their chance of finding the liar.

[Hallia]

Hallia,

 

How do you feel about AJ & TG now?

I'm not liking AJ at all.

 

 

You can dislike my push on GF all you want, doesn't mean I was wrong.

 

Uh... considering he's VERY likely to be a Mason here, you were wrong.

 

I'm still trying to decide whether that was just ignorance or scummy.

 

Neither.  Are you saying scum wouldn't claim not mason, implying that they're VT or Seer?  It's also possible some of the masons have lied about what they are right now, to be brought out later.

[Andrej]

Hallia, I've already addressed those points.

 

Stop skimming.

[keyholder21]

@Key - Thanks for that. I forgot all about this post:

Key or Clov should unvote and vote Len imo.

I think this supersedes any other argument or concern you may have.

 

I mean, your biggest concerns raised above are that my reads were changing as people were bringing up points. I'm a VT. My reads will change. Especially on Day 1. In other words, you seem to be suggesting I might be scummy even though the evidence you raise explicitly suggests Town play. lol

 

Maybe I'm just reading attitude here, but I specifically stated in my post with all the links that that post gives me pause.

[keyholder21]

 

Hallia,

 

How do you feel about AJ & TG now?

I'm not liking AJ at all.

 

Okay, why? Is this something you have felt all game, or is this a new feeling?

[Yates]

Yates,

 

What do you think of dice after his question regarding PM title?

I'm leaning Dice scum due to wagonomics. Ditto with you. I feel like one of you is scum. His PM title post is totally null since he's asking for the info and not providing it.

 

Outside of that, you already know I think it's unsportsmanlike and I don't want to win that way.

[Clovdyx]

 

I'm removing myself, obviously. Seer claim would take it from 2/6 to 2/5 which I think is pretty legit although I'm not necessarily asking for them to come forward yet.

 

Either way, we have a 30% chance of being correct today, and with one of the Mafia already dead we buy ourselves another mislynch so we have some room for error.

idk, do you think them coming forward is more +EV than having their view at night?

 

 

The only way the seer should be coming forward is if they have caught somebody lying IMO. 

[Hallia]

Hallia, I've already addressed those points.

 

Stop skimming.

 

Sassy sassy

 

 

Hallia,

 

How do you feel about AJ & TG now?

I'm not liking AJ at all.

 

Okay, why? Is this something you have felt all game, or is this a new feeling?

 

It's started really building this day.

[Andrej]

The thing with the Seer is that if we lynch wrong today, it'll increase their chances of finding the Illuminati somewhere in the NM group.

 

If they come forward with two NM views from N1/N2 (given these players are still alive) it'll reduce that pool even smaller and increase our chances of picking the remaining Illuminati greatly.

 

So, no - I don't think the Seer should reveal TODAY. D3 is probably optimal, especially if we go wrong today and they can potentially ~clear 1/2 remaining players as NMs.

[Andrej]

Hallia excuse me for expecting you to actually explain yourself when you do things in a game about discerning motive of other players.

 

Umad?

 

Lynch Illuminati D1

 

Encourage pro-Town behavior and show interest in solving

 

Pressure the quiet/sketchy players

 

*still suspected*

[Yates]

Seer claim would take it from 2/6 to 2/5 which I think is pretty legit although I'm not necessarily asking for them to come forward yet.

There is zero reason for the seer to come forward - unless they are getting run up or something. It's not like the Seer is going to waste an investigation on him/herself. Also, absolutely no reason to paint a target on their back. Make scum choose between taking a chance on trying to find the Seer OR eliminate our three conf Town one after another.

[Hallia]

*shrug* If lynching me and getting a vanilla will make you feel better, by all means.

[keyholder21]

 

 

Hallia,

 

How do you feel about AJ & TG now?

I'm not liking AJ at all.

 

Okay, why? Is this something you have felt all game, or is this a new feeling?

 

 

Also, what does building this day mean?  Could you please explain this a little more?