Freemasons vs. Illuminati - Day One

[Andrej]

Len voting GF over Key makes her look worse imo

 

Reminds of the Woodstock game where she got tied to flipped scum because of reservations, so I'm hesitant to call for her lynch right away though.

 

The read on that list that stands out the most to me is Yates because there's no commentary. He just says 'null'

 

I'm not going to invest a ton of merit into it because it's confirmed now the thoughts weren't 100% genuine but I think it's something to pay attention to at the very least.

 

Would like to get Addi back in here and talking again since she's been gone since voting Clov

[Andrej]

Am I done? Good. Sorry for crap game, but am burnt out. Good luck team.

 

Also you woulda loved that essay. Bags all over Odysseus.

 

Take your time and get rejuvenated bro.

[Andrej]

With 1 Illuminati down that now leaves the remaining Illuminati and goon in a tight spot whether they should claim as Mason partners together since the Seer can feasibly check them and find out if someone is lying.

 

It's kind of a long shot because either result doesn't necessarily point to alignment directly unless they catch someone in a blatant lie, but still food for thought.

[dicetosser1]

 

These were the only two posts Lenlo made of substance (if you can call a kickstarter substance?).

 

Hey can I [v]TG[/v] for the lulz yet?

 

God dangit DM you DID IT AGAIN IM DONE WITH YOU. Also almost posted my essay on the Odyssey. That woulda been a read.

 

1 Dice - Scum lean. Hes been fake scumhunting imo. It doesnt remind me of how he was last game and is leaving me with a bad feeling.

 

3 AJ - Town Lean? Ive liked more of your posts than ive disliked but some of them leave me scratching my head. For instance your whole thing about not wanting to disrupt Clovs thing because he might be trying for a gambit or something rubbed me the wrong way. Seeing as how ive already got 3 scum leans im willing to put you in the town pile for now and revise this later if need be.

 

4 Key - Scum Lean. Her "sense" on me at the beginning feels weird. As you pointed out last game she was bussing me pretty hard and distancing so her sense that I was scum last game was infact a lie. We were on the same team. Yet this game she doesnt "sense" im scum? I dont like how this was worded/phrased. I also dont really understand her Despo vote.

 

5 Clov - Town. Ive liked all that hes posted, his reasoning for afew people agrees with mine.

 

6 Des - Null. Whatever I do right now my read on him is gonna be colored because im peeved at him. Hes been abit of donkey to me lately and its hard to let that go, so I wanna come back to him when im not pissed at him.

 

7 TG - Scum lean. I feel that he started off this game going for me with similarly stupid posts as what he had before in the last game so he could say "Hey look, im doing the same thing I was doing before, I havnt changed!" while simultaneously going after a really easy lynch, me.

 

8 Hally - Town lean. She seems to be actually playing this game, instead of trying to slide under the radar with jokey cutesy crap and coasting on baseless LOCK CLEAR town reads some people give her for who knows what reasons. Which is good.

 

9 GF - Scum lean. I hate her playstyle. Sitback and observe? When are we gonna get these thoughts and read? When its endgame and we only need one mislynch to lose? Yeah no im sure that would be perfect for you.

 

10 Addi - Town lean. People brought up the coaching angle earlier, but theres 2 mason teams out there so thats null. Also did some actions that I dont think the scum team would suggest/let them do, such as going after Clov right out of the gate.

 

11 Yates - Null.

 

12 BFG - Post more.

 

Might have missed something since this is the third one. Dont care. Sleeping.

[v]GF[/v]

WTL GF, TG, Dice

 

Town - me

Town lean - Hallia, Addi, AJ*

Null - Yates, Des, presumably BFG?

Scum lean- Dice, Key, TG, GF

 

* AJ was a town lean mainly because Lenlo already had three scum leans.  Even though there were four.  With my four clears in, he's reads look something like this:

 

Town - me

Town lean - Hallia, Addi

Null - Yates, Des, 

Scum lean- Dice, Key

 

 

so these are your reads clov?

[Clovdyx]

 

 

These were the only two posts Lenlo made of substance (if you can call a kickstarter substance?).

 

Hey can I [v]TG[/v] for the lulz yet?

 

God dangit DM you DID IT AGAIN IM DONE WITH YOU. Also almost posted my essay on the Odyssey. That woulda been a read.

 

1 Dice - Scum lean. Hes been fake scumhunting imo. It doesnt remind me of how he was last game and is leaving me with a bad feeling.

 

3 AJ - Town Lean? Ive liked more of your posts than ive disliked but some of them leave me scratching my head. For instance your whole thing about not wanting to disrupt Clovs thing because he might be trying for a gambit or something rubbed me the wrong way. Seeing as how ive already got 3 scum leans im willing to put you in the town pile for now and revise this later if need be.

 

4 Key - Scum Lean. Her "sense" on me at the beginning feels weird. As you pointed out last game she was bussing me pretty hard and distancing so her sense that I was scum last game was infact a lie. We were on the same team. Yet this game she doesnt "sense" im scum? I dont like how this was worded/phrased. I also dont really understand her Despo vote.

 

5 Clov - Town. Ive liked all that hes posted, his reasoning for afew people agrees with mine.

 

6 Des - Null. Whatever I do right now my read on him is gonna be colored because im peeved at him. Hes been abit of donkey to me lately and its hard to let that go, so I wanna come back to him when im not pissed at him.

 

7 TG - Scum lean. I feel that he started off this game going for me with similarly stupid posts as what he had before in the last game so he could say "Hey look, im doing the same thing I was doing before, I havnt changed!" while simultaneously going after a really easy lynch, me.

 

8 Hally - Town lean. She seems to be actually playing this game, instead of trying to slide under the radar with jokey cutesy crap and coasting on baseless LOCK CLEAR town reads some people give her for who knows what reasons. Which is good.

 

9 GF - Scum lean. I hate her playstyle. Sitback and observe? When are we gonna get these thoughts and read? When its endgame and we only need one mislynch to lose? Yeah no im sure that would be perfect for you.

 

10 Addi - Town lean. People brought up the coaching angle earlier, but theres 2 mason teams out there so thats null. Also did some actions that I dont think the scum team would suggest/let them do, such as going after Clov right out of the gate.

 

11 Yates - Null.

 

12 BFG - Post more.

 

Might have missed something since this is the third one. Dont care. Sleeping.

[v]GF[/v]

WTL GF, TG, Dice

 

Town - me

Town lean - Hallia, Addi, AJ*

Null - Yates, Des, presumably BFG?

Scum lean- Dice, Key, TG, GF

 

* AJ was a town lean mainly because Lenlo already had three scum leans.  Even though there were four.  With my four clears in, he's reads look something like this:

 

Town - me

Town lean - Hallia, Addi

Null - Yates, Des, 

Scum lean- Dice, Key

 

 

so these are your reads clov?

 

 

No.  It's an organized list of his ("he's" was a typo).  

[keyholder21]

If you were paying attention to threadflow you'd be able to see the reasoning for the early town leans,

Please show me where, des. Because I went through the first 9 pages of the game twice now and I see no reference, let alone explanation from you in regards to Hally and GF’s play.

 

I said that I would wait because Clov said he'd explain later. This is me developing my read on him. If he's town, he could be trying to gambit/test someone and by me pressing him for an answer I could interfere.

 

At the time I wasn't sure what he was doing so I went the simple route and considered his vote being legit as a scum read on Addi. Which is why I said that I could see why he was voting there, which I also explained later at how I could see him finding some of her posts scummy - if that's what he was going for. This is me analyzing, or attempting, his thought process.

 

"Need for time" is me saying that I need to see more from him before I feel comfortable putting him one way or the others.

 

Any other questions? I've also made more commentary on Addi recently when others have called her post scummy and how I view them - so I'm really not sure what angle you're trying to work here. I think I handled Clov exactly how I should.

I found it odd because of the fact that you are giving him the benefit of the doubt. You are not shy and often jump on people, especially both of these games, for the smallest thing that looks out of place, yet you are willing to give Clov the benefit of the doubt to further develop your read? It looks like you know he’s town so therefore aren’t pressuring him.

 

I’m not sure what the commentary on Addi has to do with anything since I wasn’t asking/talking about her.

 

 

As for the question re: AJ and TG as town, I think that is also valid. Perhaps you are using a hypothetical, but how does supposing Hallia is scum mean automean AJ and TG are both town? We all know that people can bus teammate/s in this game.

You're still making NO sense in this matter Key

 

The hypothetical I was laying out for AJ was ASSUMING they were both town, to ask him if he thought Hallia would go at him and TG like that if she were scum and they were town

 

I wasn't supposing Hallia was scum there, quite the opposite in fact, I was illustrating how from his perspective (since he is townreading TG and was operating under the guise of being town himself) it actually might NOT be likely that Hallia was scum there

 

AJ instantly understood what I was saying, yet you are trying to twist it as saying something it's not, and now setting up strawman arguments to make it look like you're being legit in this push when you're not

 

OBVIOUSLY I know scum may bus. You and I were JUST bussing Lenlo in the first iteration of this game. I wasn't saying Hallia was bussing at all, or trying to inference AJ or TG's alignment from a supposed scum read on Hallia. ALL I WAS DOING was interacting with AJ and both introducing the possibility of Hallia being town (at the time he was scumreading her, I was townreading her) and also trying to judge AJ's reaction

 

THERE WAS NOTHING QUESTIONABLE ABOUT THAT YET YOU KEEP GOING ON ABOUT IT LIKE THERE WAS

 

Bold – is kind of my point. Why would you need to assume that both of them were town in your hypothetical? You could make the case just as easily using just one of them, so it looks weird that you include both.

 

In your hypothetical you say ‘If Hallia is scum then….” So you ARE supposing that she is scum for your hypothetical situation. I get that you mean to imply that she isn’t, but I feel like you are twisting what I am saying.

 

As far as AJ instantly understanding what you said, okay. Does that mean that I will automatically know? No. People don’t always think or understand the same things in mafia.

 

Re: the bussing. Again, I didn’t say that you said anything about bussing. I brought it up because since you were addressing AJ, you brought up TG. Where is the need for that? Your point could have been made without including him. Furthermore, if you are town, you don’t know that they both are, so how does looking at how she interacts with AJ have anything to do with TG? She could be scum bussing a teammate. That’s what I was getting at.

 

I don't think Key is missing this kind of stuff on accident here, I think she is scum opportunistically pushing a mislynch

Yep, cause I do that all the time.

 

 

 

 

Still WTL Len tho

 

Still only responding about himself

WTL Len/Key atm

AJ, what changed between these two statements to make you add me? Specifically, no one talked anything about me.

 

Nothing between ~those posts. I was just kind of musing at the time because I wanted to get my opinions in the open.

 

Did you miss the previous commentary I made on you irt your stance on Len and how you don't get the sense he's scum 'this game'?

 

Like I said previously, I found the addition of 'this time' to be weird because you were voting him all of D1 last round as his scum buddy, so obviously you knew your opinion then wasn't genuine.

 

No, I didn’t miss your posts. However, you make your post about the fact that you are willing to lynch Len, and then literally in your next post you add my name. If you were willing to lynch me, why didn’t you include it the first time?

 

For one, I never said there was scum motivation for the process in which you caught up.

 

TG asked me what I thought about your other posts because he found that you were doing a 'legit' catch up. I reviewed your ISO and then wanted him to explain what he meant by it being legit, which I took as him saying your catch up looked good context wise.

 

I wasn't discrediting you here, I was pointing out your content thus far and questioning TG as to what he found 'legit' about it.

 

He explained later that it wasn't necessarily the content but the manner in which you did - which I don't think really points in either direction alignment wise. I understood his explanation so in my mind I said 'okay' and carried on as usual.

Just like des, when I ask a question you are responding first with “I didn’t do that”. Did I say you said there was scum motivation? No, but you find me scummy, this was your catchup on me, so I was asking you where you thought the scum motivation was in that. If I’m scum, as you seem to think I am, why am I catching up like that?

 

no i wasnt joking. i simply wanted to see addict reply. thats it. i got no reply tho iirc addict did go on to say other stuff.

 

it wasnt fake scumhunting. i legitimately wanted the answer.

Oh. Why? What did you think her responding would accomplish?

[Andrej]

Actually I rescind that bit about Key looking worse for Lenlo voting GF.

 

At the time the tops wagons were Len, Despot, Key who were all at two which ensured a 3-way tie more or less.

 

Len followed Hallia onto GF which then made it 2(Len)/2(Key)/2(Despot)/2(GF) and changed the chances of him being randomly lynched from 33% to 25%. I think this may have been more of an act of self-pres than avoiding a teammate.

 

Only after GF voted Key to put her in the lead did Dice move to GF to also put him at 3. THIS does look bad however.

[keyholder21]

I think Des is probably town.

 

Okay, why? 

 

Actually largely agree with Lenlo, reading that (aside from myself and Yates). Perhaps he's town now.

This looks bad, imo.  

 

Haha I agree.

 

Not to bash cause apparently it was super hard for Len to post that, but I wasn't really impressed with the reads.

 

I also think the bit about how he almost posted his essay is a bit overdone and makes it feel less genuine to me.

I find it scummy, AJ, that you mention his reads, mention his essay, but missed the fact that he didn't include me in his summary. Especially since you think I'm scummy and was a high choice to swing today. It looks like distancing from your scum buddy.

[keyholder21]

 

 

So I'm back. I'm caught up. And nothing seems to have happened in my absence. Oh, except for Hally scummily declaring GF posting differently from last game based on TWO sentences.

 

@Hally - I don't feel like you adequately explained this.

 

Where did this go Yates?  Why haven't you been pressuring Hally more since?  Did you forget?

 

Guess I was waiting for an explanation. I'm still okay with my Key vote, too, though.

 

This doesn't sound like the Yates that I know. No offense meant, but I am used to you relentless harping on someone in order to get your answers.

[Andrej]

Key I feel like your posts are more bluster than actual analysis.

 

Len has you in his reads - so... I don't understand your point there? And how would I be distancing based on missing something? Enlight me cause I can't follow your line of questioning.

 

And ftr, when you ask me a pointed question such as "where's the scum motivation in that?" when I clearly say nothing about motivation of either spectrum inside the post it makes me think you are implying that I said what you did was scummy. I didn't. I wasn't even addressing you there - I was asking TG to clarify what he found legit about your posts. AND like I stated earlier, after he explained I came to realize he wasn't talking about the content (which there wasn't anything of) but the way in which you did where you pulled a quote at the beginning and then pulled a later quote addressing the same point by someone previously.

 

Personally, I don't find this kind of catch-up 'style' if you will indicative either way.

[keyholder21]

In the ABBA game I noticed that Key's play can look solid town but by endgame if you go back and analyze where she made her pushes/statements, most of her play when scum becomes clear that it wasn't town motivated.

Do I look solid town to you, this game?

 

 

I guess Scum!Hallia could have thought GF would have been an easier mislynch than Town!Key or Town!Despot? A vote for either would have put them in the lead, and since we know there are only three mafia this game, the possibility of Key, Des, Lenlo, AND Hallia being scum together is zero, so I would think she would vote for whichever is town if she was trying to get a wagon going to save Lenlo.

With the resistance that she was getting from everyone regarding her opinion on GF, coupled with the fact that several people have found me scummy this game, I doubt Hallia figured GF for an easier lynch. IMO, she's pretty clear town from this.

[Andrej]

Anyway, my time is up.

 

Hopefully I'll be back before PC but I think the Night DL is pretty short as well, so we'll see.

 

Key, if you could just summarize how you're viewing the game atm I would appreciate it.

[Yates]

THIS ENTIRE POST

Two thumbs up.

 

Would read again.

 

Scum lean- Dice, Key

Only after GF voted Key to put her in the lead did Dice move to GF to also put him at 3. THIS does look bad however.

So I'm in a pickle. I feel like Lenlo scum spewed either Dice or Key. Possibly both. I seem to recall Lenlo including scum team mates in his scum "reads" in the past as scum. Can anyone fact check me on this assertion?

[Yates]

No offense meant, but I am used to you relentless harping on someone in order to get your answers.

None taken.  

 

A.  This is a kinder/gentler Yates Town meta.

 

B.  I wasn't around to push her on it.

 

Circle one.

[keyholder21]

Town - me

Town lean - Hallia, Addi, AJ*

Null - Yates, Des, presumably BFG?

Scum lean- Dice, Key, TG, GF

 

* AJ was a town lean mainly because Lenlo already had three scum leans. Even though there were four. With my four clears in, he's reads look something like this:

 

Town - me

Town lean - Hallia, Addi

Null - Yates, Des,

Scum lean- Dice, Key

IIRC, Len usually puts one teammate in his town/null reads and one in his scum reads. I'll go back and look/link Dr. Who, though in just a minute.

 

Len has you in his reads - so... I don't understand your point there? And how would I be distancing based on missing something? Enlight me cause I can't follow your line of questioning.

 

And ftr, when you ask me a pointed question such as "where's the scum motivation in that?" when I clearly say nothing about motivation of either spectrum inside the post it makes me think you are implying that I said what you did was scummy. I didn't. I wasn't even addressing you there - I was asking TG to clarify what he found legit about your posts. AND like I stated earlier, after he explained I came to realize he wasn't talking about the content (which there wasn't anything of) but the way in which you did where you pulled a quote at the beginning and then pulled a later quote addressing the same point by someone previously.

 

Personally, I don't find this kind of catch-up 'style' if you will indicative either way.

He has me in his reads list, but not in his WTL list at the bottom. I find it scummy that you didn’t notice I wasn’t in his summation at the bottom. Especially since you commented on other pieces of his post, and thought he and I were both scummy at the time. Would it not be a perfect situation to point out how he and I were connected? I feel it is unlikely that you missed that.

 

Distancing from your scum buddy because it looked like you were just tossing out a post about not liking his reads for the hell of it. You comment below his reads list that you are okay with the lead wagons, but say nothing about the fact that Len, you top scum read, has the other two lead wagons at the time on his scum lean list, or that he (as BFG mentioned) is voting for GF over me when you think I was the stronger scum candidate. If you preferred me, then why not ask Len to switch his vote?

[Clovdyx]

Key, were you Illuminati or goon last game?

[keyholder21]

Key, if you could just summarize how you're viewing the game atm I would appreciate it.

Town reads:

 

Hallia – I already said, but I think she is often viewed as scummy when she’s town and I don’t see her making the play that she did at EOD as scum, it put her firmly in my town pile.

 

BFG – I’ve liked her catch up so far.

 

TG – He seems like he’s actively trying to figure out all the players in the game and is considering differing opinions on people, going with the thread flow, if you will.

 

GF – I have no clue how to read GF, so he’s always fairly null for me. However, since I know my alignment, I don’t see him putting the hammer on Len if GF is on his team. Would have been better to let it go random.

 

Null:

 

Clov – I find myself nodding along to what he is saying most of the time, and I like the effort. But I’ve never seen him as scum, so I don’t feel comfortable completely townreading him right now. He could be pulling the wool over my eyes.

 

Addi – I don’t think there’s enough information here. I know others think of her as town for taking on those of us who have been around for awhile on her first day, but I’ve been in games with new people who aren’t afraid to go for it before. I would like more posts from her.

 

Dice – I feel like I want dice to be town, but I am not sure. I liked him in the beginning, but I question his question to Addi. I thought it was a joke, but he says it’s not. I also do not see the same level of effort that has been in his town game recently.

 

Null to scum:

 

Yates – He votes for me during RVS 2.0, says nothing more about me but then is okay to keep his vote on me. It’s suspicious, but not enough to me atm to put him firmly in my scum pile. I need to reread I think.

 

Scum reads:

 

Des –I get a sense of him not even trying to understand where I am coming from when he responds to me, he seems to be twisting what I say/ trying to make me look bad . I think his caps look like posturing unnecessarily. Additionally, I feel like Len’s reason for having a “null” read on him is not a real read. It could definitely have been a way to leave him open to interacting with des however he wanted in the future, if Len survived the lynch. I also noted that Len used the same exact line of reasoning for dice looking bad that des did. Could be coincidence, could be something they discussed in QT.

 

AJ – I feel like your press to vote me came out of virtually nowhere. You went from thinking my “this time” looked weird to me being one of your lead people to lynch. I also don’t like your limited analysis of Len’s reads list. Also, your push on Len looks a lot to me like my push/bus on him last game.

[keyholder21]

Key, were you Illuminati or goon last game?

I was Illuminati with des.

[keyholder21]

 

Key, if you could just summarize how you're viewing the game atm I would appreciate it.

 

 

I also feel frustrated, because I feel that I'm playing the game just fine and adding my thoughts to it. Obviously I'm not doing a good enough job though, or half the game wouldn't see me as highest on the next lynch.

 

 

Seen as scummy when I'm town and town when I'm scummy, #keyholderproblems.

 

[keyholder21]

gr.

 

Key, if you could just summarize how you're viewing the game atm I would appreciate it.

 

I also feel frustrated, because I feel that I'm playing the game just fine and adding my thoughts to it. Obviously I'm not doing a good enough job though, or half the game wouldn't see me as highest on the next lynch.

 

 

Seen as scummy when I'm town and town when I'm scummy, #keyholderproblems.

[Yates]

Dice – I feel like I want dice to be town, but I am not sure. I liked him in the beginning, but I question his question to Addi. I thought it was a joke, but he says it’s not. I also do not see the same level of effort that has been in his town game recently.

 

Town - me

Town lean - Hallia, Addi, AJ*

Null - Yates, Des, presumably BFG?

Scum lean- Dice, Key, TG, GF

 

* AJ was a town lean mainly because Lenlo already had three scum leans. Even though there were four. With my four clears in, he's reads look something like this:

 

Town - me

Town lean - Hallia, Addi

Null - Yates, Des,

Scum lean- Dice, Key

IIRC, Len usually puts one teammate in his town/null reads and one in his scum reads. I'll go back and look/link Dr. Who, though in just a minute.

 

So if you think Dice is Town...???

[keyholder21]

Well, in those two posts that you quoted, a) I said from what I recall and that I would need to go back and check. b) Usually does not mean always, but it is still worth looking into, and c) I didn't think dice is town, I put him in my null.

[dicetosser1]

 

THIS ENTIRE POST

Two thumbs up.

 

Would read again.

 

Scum lean- Dice, Key

Only after GF voted Key to put her in the lead did Dice move to GF to also put him at 3. THIS does look bad however.

So I'm in a pickle. I feel like Lenlo scum spewed either Dice or Key. Possibly both. I seem to recall Lenlo including scum team mates in his scum "reads" in the past as scum. Can anyone fact check me on this assertion?

 

 

i dunno about len  in other games, but do you wanna guess what im gonna do come D2 morning? heres a hint. you have seen it before.

[dicetosser1]

^^^ that was @ Yates

[Clovdyx]

 

THIS ENTIRE POST

Two thumbs up.

 

Would read again.

 

Scum lean- Dice, Key

Only after GF voted Key to put her in the lead did Dice move to GF to also put him at 3. THIS does look bad however.

So I'm in a pickle. I feel like Lenlo scum spewed either Dice or Key. Possibly both. I seem to recall Lenlo including scum team mates in his scum "reads" in the past as scum. Can anyone fact check me on this assertion?

 

 

I think the only time I've played with Lenlo as scum prior to the first Illuminati was Nyn's Buffy game.  The scum team was him(Hydra'ed with Key)/Verbal(hydra'ed with Krak)/Mynd.  He had Verk in the nulls and Mynd in scum.  The person he voted was town, though.

 

 

Town - me

Town lean - Hallia, Addi, AJ*

Null - Yates, Des, presumably BFG?

Scum lean- Dice, Key, TG, GF

 

* AJ was a town lean mainly because Lenlo already had three scum leans. Even though there were four. With my four clears in, he's reads look something like this:

 

Town - me

Town lean - Hallia, Addi

Null - Yates, Des,

Scum lean- Dice, Key

IIRC, Len usually puts one teammate in his town/null reads and one in his scum reads. I'll go back and look/link Dr. Who, though in just a minute.

 

Len has you in his reads - so... I don't understand your point there? And how would I be distancing based on missing something? Enlight me cause I can't follow your line of questioning.

 

And ftr, when you ask me a pointed question such as "where's the scum motivation in that?" when I clearly say nothing about motivation of either spectrum inside the post it makes me think you are implying that I said what you did was scummy. I didn't. I wasn't even addressing you there - I was asking TG to clarify what he found legit about your posts. AND like I stated earlier, after he explained I came to realize he wasn't talking about the content (which there wasn't anything of) but the way in which you did where you pulled a quote at the beginning and then pulled a later quote addressing the same point by someone previously.

 

Personally, I don't find this kind of catch-up 'style' if you will indicative either way.

He has me in his reads list, but not in his WTL list at the bottom. I find it scummy that you didn’t notice I wasn’t in his summation at the bottom. Especially since you commented on other pieces of his post, and thought he and I were both scummy at the time. Would it not be a perfect situation to point out how he and I were connected? I feel it is unlikely that you missed that.

 

Distancing from your scum buddy because it looked like you were just tossing out a post about not liking his reads for the hell of it. You comment below his reads list that you are okay with the lead wagons, but say nothing about the fact that Len, you top scum read, has the other two lead wagons at the time on his scum lean list, or that he (as BFG mentioned) is voting for GF over me when you think I was the stronger scum candidate. If you preferred me, then why not ask Len to switch his vote?

 

 

I'm confused as to where you're going with this.  I don't see anywhere that AJ went through and really analyzed the reads, so I'm not sure why he would necessarily need to point that out?  I also don't see why you not being on his lynch list is a good thing? 

 

Unless you're not saying it is?

 

 

Dice – I feel like I want dice to be town, but I am not sure. I liked him in the beginning, but I question his question to Addi. I thought it was a joke, but he says it’s not. I also do not see the same level of effort that has been in his town game recently.

 

Town - me

Town lean - Hallia, Addi, AJ*

Null - Yates, Des, presumably BFG?

Scum lean- Dice, Key, TG, GF

 

* AJ was a town lean mainly because Lenlo already had three scum leans. Even though there were four. With my four clears in, he's reads look something like this:

 

Town - me

Town lean - Hallia, Addi

Null - Yates, Des,

Scum lean- Dice, Key

IIRC, Len usually puts one teammate in his town/null reads and one in his scum reads. I'll go back and look/link Dr. Who, though in just a minute.

 

So if you think Dice is Town...???

 

 

This looks opportunistic to me, Yates.  I see the POV, but it reads more like dirt kicking than actual hunting.