[Standard] Cory vs. Bad Dietary Habits & Laziness Mafia, Mafia Sweep

[monstrman]

I would lynch him if he reads as scummy to me. I would not specify a time. There is no time limit to my mind. I'm considering him as if he never claimed anything.

I'm already liking tom as a villager. Considering lock clearing.

[hazelkrs1]

Mini-wot for anyone who cares:

 

 

 

Hardclaim: Miller.

 

Cory and Key confirmed to suck.

 

Bold is what I just referred to- not a fan of when peeps act all upset at the mod for randing them a negative utility role, looks like them trying to sell it. A negative utility role played right doesn't have much negative utility at all, so why complain at all?

 

Character?

 

 

 

I don't want to leave for work right now. I just want to go back to sleep for three days.

Claiming scum already?

[V]Arsis[/v]

 

 

Early posts from Salami didn't look good to me. Asking for character looked like a lazy attempt at looking like he was interested in #solving, and then immediately puts out what looks like a RVS vote to look casual still

 

Do mafia fake-claim Miller on this site? Is that a thing here?

 

This was REAL bad on Arsis' part tho. Site meta shouldn't really have much to do with how he develops his read on TG, and asking others looked like ditching responsibility for genuinely reacting to the claim himself

 

Plus he asks this but then soon after votes Swag, looks like an attempt to keep wifom on TG while also not getting heavily involved

 

Bad language already? How uncivilised.

[V]Vote TG[/v]

Can do without a muddying of waters

 

Last line of this post looks turrible- obvious attempt to justify the vote with a policy push, also trying to look protown like she's "clearing the waters"

 

So is everyone specific food items like TG's claim? I am not.

Also, looks like a scum claim to me.

[v]Tommyrod[/v]

 

 

Others covered this and yeah, looks obv like reaching to me

 

I'd self vote and get rid. It's a negative to Town.

So if you are a Miller you cause uncertainty and wifom.

If you are Mafia claiming Miller you cause uncertainty and wifom.

There's no real good reason to keep you about.

 

I call BS on this reasoning- HIGHLY doubt Ithi would self-vote as a miller and besides, self voting with or without the miller claim would just look like obvious wifom so.... yeah this reasoning falls flat on it's face

 

The problem with millers is that there is no way to actually vet them in a more basic game because the roles that could clear them are not going to be there. Claiming Miller and then playing uber town is a recipe to a town loss. 

 

Part of claiming Miller early is knowing that you may have to be lynched for the long term good of the town.

 

You could be telling the truth but without being able to confirm it then all it does is set up a bad situation later in the game. 

 

Someone else already pointed this out (Salami I believe) but yeah you don't lynch someone just because they "can't" be cleared by a cop.

 

And I put "can't" in sarcasm quotes because Standard doesn't necessarily mean basic, and regardless you can't game the setup this early. Turin shouldn't know what kind of investigative roles might be in the game. In FACT, him assuming that there's only a Cop might even spew TG as town, since he is basically taking TG's claim for granted there (presence of a Miller would basically guarantee the presence of a Cop outside of bastard mods, which Cory isn't). Kind of a stretch but still worth considering.

 

Same question for you then - at what point do you think we should Lynch him?

Never?
At some point?
Early on?

When does reasonable doubt occur?

Of course if he is a real Miller ansd your here to White Knight him, then that would make you look super awesome, yes?

 

 

Bold doesn't look like Ithi trying to discern someone's alignment, if anything it looks exactly like that which she is accusing others of doing- nudging. Again, more about discrediting her attackers than trying to actually find scum

 

 

Ping on Yates for the bad reach.

You don't have to like it. I just want to see responses to it.

 

 

Turrrrrrible. Also surprised no one called Yates out for this.

 

Yates is too experienced of a player to so obviously ruin his own "trap" if that's what he was really doing, by saying it was for reactions. Looks like a scum "I did it for reactions" cop out

 

I don't think Tommy is Mafia. He wouldn't slide a vote onto us this early, that would backfire on him when our flip came out.

He'd let Town do the voting and keep his hands clean.

 

Terribad reasoning. Tommy is fearless as scum and not the kind to worry about getting his hands dirty, he could EASILY wiggle out of culpability were he involved in a townie's lynch.

 

Also don't think Ithi believes this. If anything I think she's scurred of a thunderdome with Tommy so wants to deflect.

 

Also 'Soul Read' = 'Making it up'

Who voted me first?

I think TG just followed on. Plus I was voting him and he has to make the miller claim seem genuine. Hence I must be a bad guy just wanting him dead.

 

Ithi not explaining why TG voting her is actually just scummy, just writing in a narrative for his vote if he WAS scum. Town!Ithi better than this.

 

And yet TG still not voting his CONFIRMED SCUM. Doesn't want to be third on the mislynch.

 

Awful. Turin stressing the mislynch thing to make them look more town. And being third on a lynch is dumb, bringing that up just looks fake to me.

 

But that also means it makes more sense for him to claim it as mafia. If he waits until D2 or later (especially after he is viewed) then it is not going to help him at all. It would help his team by potentially outing a cop but he would be very dead most likely.

 

 

Again Turin/Ithi just drawing out a narrative for TG being scum and why he might do ____ as scum, not actually pointing out how anything he has done actually makes him MORE LIKELY to be scum. This isn't scumhunting.

 

 

Actually, it is completely dependent on the percentage of cacao in the dark chocolate, but who are we kidding...Cory doesn't know that! Hahahohohehe.

 

I need Ray.

 

Comes in a makes a joke comment on actual gameplay about my claim.  Doesn't engage on it at all.  I don't like the tone so I voted off that. 

 

Lmao. Eat something other than carbs and workout; macros done.

 

[v]TSB[/v]

huehuehuehue

 

 

Useless fluff to piss Arsis off which is not alignment indicative.  However, laughs at my vote which is needless to do during RVS, and it's clear he is treating the thread as still in RVS based on comment #1.

 

End of case.

 

 

Good case actually.

 

@yates, Tommy lies so much on D1 that I doubt he is telling the truth about his flavour. Plus Ithi thinks he is town so, he is only backburner material right now.

 

 

You said you are good with TG's Miller claim right? How about his snap reads on AJ and TSB? btw, do you know TSB/Swag?

 

Bold = discrediting Tommy

 

Also TG's snap reads look pretty good to me, pretty well justified tho even tho it's early

 

 

Oh yay I'm catching flak instantly after joining a game again. How wonderful
 

You look shook, imo.

 

 

 

Totally shook!

 

 

Also WATCH OUT MEANIE IN THE HOUSE!

 

But not really, I'm still at work ; . ;

 

And here I was thinking you wanted to get back into my good graces Hallia

 

[csarmi]

@manbat - Turin buddying to Ithi is site meta-joke. Note that they're hydra now.

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

I don't want to leave for work right now. I just want to go back to sleep for three days.

Claiming scum already?

[V]Arsis[/v]

 

 

If this was a joke post I kinda didn't like it but I kept reading and

 

 

@GleMeri, Flavor?

Ithi is TOWN.

... And the buddying starts.

  

 

I think this is probably a villagery thing to say in a vacuum, but I'd have to disagree that it looks like buddying. I mean it's not unheard of for town to just say those things so ya.

 

I'd self vote and get rid. It's a negative to Town.

So if you are a Miller you cause uncertainty and wifom.

If you are Mafia claiming Miller you cause uncertainty and wifom.

There's no real good reason to keep you about.

This makes negative sense.

 

Aj and tom get villager points for mindmeld votes almost immediately following this post.

 

I'm on page 5 see you shortly.

 

FYI Manbat, Ithi is my hydra partner but I am known for buddying her on this site. So it was pure joke.

 

look forward to your catch up. 

[monstrman]

@manbat - Turin buddying to Ithi is site meta-joke. Note that they're hydra now.

goooooooootcha

 

also noted.

[csarmi]

Mini-wot for anyone who cares:

 

 

 

 

Hardclaim: Miller.

 

Cory and Key confirmed to suck.

Bold is what I just referred to- not a fan of when peeps act all upset at the mod for randing them a negative utility role, looks like them trying to sell it. A negative utility role played right doesn't have much negative utility at all, so why complain at all?

Character?

 

I don't want to leave for work right now. I just want to go back to sleep for three days.

Claiming scum already?

 

[V]Arsis[/v]

Early posts from Salami didn't look good to me. Asking for character looked like a lazy attempt at looking like he was interested in #solving, and then immediately puts out what looks like a RVS vote to look casual still

Do mafia fake-claim Miller on this site? Is that a thing here?

This was REAL bad on Arsis' part tho. Site meta shouldn't really have much to do with how he develops his read on TG, and asking others looked like ditching responsibility for genuinely reacting to the claim himself

 

Plus he asks this but then soon after votes Swag, looks like an attempt to keep wifom on TG while also not getting heavily involved

Bad language already? How uncivilised.

 

[V]Vote TG[/v]

 

Can do without a muddying of waters

Last line of this post looks turrible- obvious attempt to justify the vote with a policy push, also trying to look protown like she's "clearing the waters"

 

So is everyone specific food items like TG's claim? I am not.

Also, looks like a scum claim to me.

 

[v]Tommyrod[/v]

Others covered this and yeah, looks obv like reaching to me

I'd self vote and get rid. It's a negative to Town.

 

So if you are a Miller you cause uncertainty and wifom.

 

If you are Mafia claiming Miller you cause uncertainty and wifom.

 

There's no real good reason to keep you about.

I call BS on this reasoning- HIGHLY doubt Ithi would self-vote as a miller and besides, self voting with or without the miller claim would just look like obvious wifom so.... yeah this reasoning falls flat on it's face

The problem with millers is that there is no way to actually vet them in a more basic game because the roles that could clear them are not going to be there. Claiming Miller and then playing uber town is a recipe to a town loss.

 

Part of claiming Miller early is knowing that you may have to be lynched for the long term good of the town.

 

You could be telling the truth but without being able to confirm it then all it does is set up a bad situation later in the game.

Someone else already pointed this out (Salami I believe) but yeah you don't lynch someone just because they "can't" be cleared by a cop.

 

And I put "can't" in sarcasm quotes because Standard doesn't necessarily mean basic, and regardless you can't game the setup this early. Turin shouldn't know what kind of investigative roles might be in the game. In FACT, him assuming that there's only a Cop might even spew TG as town, since he is basically taking TG's claim for granted there (presence of a Miller would basically guarantee the presence of a Cop outside of bastard mods, which Cory isn't). Kind of a stretch but still worth considering.

Same question for you then - at what point do you think we should Lynch him?

 

Never?

At some point?

Early on?

 

When does reasonable doubt occur?

 

Of course if he is a real Miller ansd your here to White Knight him, then that would make you look super awesome, yes?

 

Bold doesn't look like Ithi trying to discern someone's alignment, if anything it looks exactly like that which she is accusing others of doing- nudging. Again, more about discrediting her attackers than trying to actually find scum

 

Ping on Yates for the bad reach.

You don't have to like it. I just want to see responses to it.

Turrrrrrible. Also surprised no one called Yates out for this.

 

Yates is too experienced of a player to so obviously ruin his own "trap" if that's what he was really doing, by saying it was for reactions. Looks like a scum "I did it for reactions" cop out

I don't think Tommy is Mafia. He wouldn't slide a vote onto us this early, that would backfire on him when our flip came out.

 

He'd let Town do the voting and keep his hands clean.

Terribad reasoning. Tommy is fearless as scum and not the kind to worry about getting his hands dirty, he could EASILY wiggle out of culpability were he involved in a townie's lynch.

 

Also don't think Ithi believes this. If anything I think she's scurred of a thunderdome with Tommy so wants to deflect.

Also 'Soul Read' = 'Making it up'

 

Who voted me first?

 

I think TG just followed on. Plus I was voting him and he has to make the miller claim seem genuine. Hence I must be a bad guy just wanting him dead.

Ithi not explaining why TG voting her is actually just scummy, just writing in a narrative for his vote if he WAS scum. Town!Ithi better than this.

And yet TG still not voting his CONFIRMED SCUM. Doesn't want to be third on the mislynch.

Awful. Turin stressing the mislynch thing to make them look more town. And being third on a lynch is dumb, bringing that up just looks fake to me.

 

But that also means it makes more sense for him to claim it as mafia. If he waits until D2 or later (especially after he is viewed) then it is not going to help him at all. It would help his team by potentially outing a cop but he would be very dead most likely.

 

Again Turin/Ithi just drawing out a narrative for TG being scum and why he might do ____ as scum, not actually pointing out how anything he has done actually makes him MORE LIKELY to be scum. This isn't scumhunting.

 

Actually, it is completely dependent on the percentage of cacao in the dark chocolate, but who are we kidding...Cory doesn't know that! Hahahohohehe.

 

 

I need Ray.

Comes in a makes a joke comment on actual gameplay about my claim. Doesn't engage on it at all. I don't like the tone so I voted off that.

Lmao. Eat something other than carbs and workout; macros done.

 

 

 

[v]TSB[/v]

huehuehuehue

Useless fluff to piss Arsis off which is not alignment indicative. However, laughs at my vote which is needless to do during RVS, and it's clear he is treating the thread as still in RVS based on comment #1.

 

End of case.

Good case actually.

@yates, Tommy lies so much on D1 that I doubt he is telling the truth about his flavour. Plus Ithi thinks he is town so, he is only backburner material right now.

 

 

You said you are good with TG's Miller claim right? How about his snap reads on AJ and TSB? btw, do you know TSB/Swag?

Bold = discrediting Tommy

 

Also TG's snap reads look pretty good to me, pretty well justified tho even tho it's early

 

Oh yay I'm catching flak instantly after joining a game again. How wonderful

 

You look shook, imo.

Totally shook!

 

 

Also WATCH OUT MEANIE IN THE HOUSE!

 

But not really, I'm still at work ; . ;

And here I was thinking you wanted to get back into my good graces Hallia

WoT too early. Not reading.

 

-5 cool points

+2 Desponess

-EV

[monstrman]

Totally shook!

 

 

Also WATCH OUT MEANIE IN THE HOUSE!

 

But not really, I'm still at work ; . ;

 

hallia confirmed butternut

 

also when you get back from work I expect #werk

 

you don't get a pass this game.

[Tommyrod]

Des how can you say TG's case on TSB/Swag is good? You know exactly what Swag is like from games on VS.

[monstrman]

AJ/Tom/Csarmi/GT seem townie to me so far

 

In order of clearedness from feels and magic space junk

 

AJ

Tom/GT

Csarmi

 

no one's sticking out as particularly scummy. Page 7.

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

I don't think Tommy is Mafia. He wouldn't slide a vote onto us this early, that would backfire on him when our flip came out.

 

He'd let Town do the voting and keep his hands clean.

 

Terribad reasoning. Tommy is fearless as scum and not the kind to worry about getting his hands dirty, he could EASILY wiggle out of culpability were he involved in a townie's lynch.

 

Also don't think Ithi believes this. If anything I think she's scurred of a thunderdome with Tommy so wants to deflect.

 

 

Also 'Soul Read' = 'Making it up'

 

Who voted me first?

 

I think TG just followed on. Plus I was voting him and he has to make the miller claim seem genuine. Hence I must be a bad guy just wanting him dead.

 

Ithi not explaining why TG voting her is actually just scummy, just writing in a narrative for his vote if he WAS scum. Town!Ithi better than this.

 

1. I do believe that Tommy wouldn't get involved in a silly firefight as Mafia.

 

2. What's that about deflect?

 

3. You simultaneously manage to cast both me and Tommy as possible Mafia in your first response. That's good going. That fence must really be hurting your bottom.

 

4. TG wasn't voting me. He just stepped up the nudges on me after AJ and Tommy voted me. Maybe he didn't want to be number 3.

[csarmi]

Like I could resist reading. Townish Despo WoT and mindmeld points on TG/IT.

 

Town lean.

[monstrman]

I have this really weird reading problem from what I've caught up with so far where I keep reading Ithi as scum and Turin as town.

 

It's actually kind of disorienting.

[hazelkrs1]

Good to know Tress. 

 

Tommy, The Miller claim is not the only reason I am thinking GleMeri is not town. That was just tinfoil as many here seem to think that mafia will never claim miller right away. The nudge TG made at us and that he had to be cajoled into voting someone he had already declared "LOCK WOLF" speaks volumes about him IMO.

 

This just looks like you trying to justify your "read" after the fact

 

Plus buzzword alert

 

"nudge" "had to be cajoled" "speaks volumes about him" <<<< scum are more likely to use these words/phrases early on as fallback things to say to look like they're scumhunting

 

Are these guys just new to the game? That might give them some leeway.

 

Arsis with these sideline snipe posts REALLY making me suspect him more

 

I don't think I've been discrediting my attackers?

 

Well apart from the one I'm voting for. I don't know how a Town Miller would behave. I can't help but see it as the perfect place for Mafia to hide especially as 'everyone' knows this is exactly what a town miller would do and thus it must be a Town Miller. Everyone walks away. Cop doesn't view. It's just perfect.

 

I may just be contrary - but if no Mafia has ever done this, why the hell not?

 

Bold: I showed how yall are discrediting your attackers in my wot

 

Italics: Don't believe you

 

Underlined: You seriously trying to say the Cop should view TG after he claimed Miller? Are you seriously saying that? Regardless of whether TG is faking Miller or not, Cop viewing him would be an absolutely terrible idea

 

Enlargened: Looks like a copout- "I may just be contrary" I think you're just trying to double down on this policy vote

 

 

Are these guys just new to the game? That might give them some leeway.

No. Not new. I just don't ever believe or trust anyone. I don't take anything at face value. I assume everyone is lying or plotting.

 

 

Sadly this is the main reason I'm not voting for TurIthian yet. It's true that Ithi IS often super skeptical as town, so while her arguments and stances since she entered the game have been antitown imo, it's still plausible they're town

 

Quick flip flops from Despo are part of his mafia game. Show some examples where we are spreading WIFOM please.

 

Also no one was attacking us until after we took the stance that TG and his claim should not be used to put him in a LOCK TOWN category, which is what you just basically did by calling him nearly confirmed as Miller. I already stated that part of the gameplan with a fake miller claim is to put on your townie hat and take all actions to be town. Buss without discretion even lead a lynch on a teammate. Whatever it takes. 

 

I assume that you have actual read now so what do you think of TG and Arsis voting TSB right out the gate? Of AJ jumping on TG's words to vote Ithi/Turin? or TG nudging our vote but not actually voting until baited into it? Anything else I missed? 

 

I showed the attempts at sowing WIFOM (imo at least) in my wot

 

And again, this just looks like you trying to assume TG could be scum here, and writing the narrative from that perspective. YES, he could be faking the Miller claim here and acting protown to make it more believable, but what ACTUALLY makes you think this is the case here, instead of him really being a miller and trying to play his role in a protown manner?

[csarmi]

Who is manbat?

[monstrman]

I'm monstrman

[Ithillian Turambar]

I have this really weird reading problem from what I've caught up with so far where I keep reading Ithi as scum and Turin as town.

 

It's actually kind of disorienting.

It's because Turin is all logic and stuff, and I have to go with feels and instant moments - because my memory is screwed.

[monstrman]

 

I have this really weird reading problem from what I've caught up with so far where I keep reading Ithi as scum and Turin as town.

 

It's actually kind of disorienting.

It's because Turin is all logic and stuff, and I have to go with feels and instant moments - because my memory is screwed.

 

 

That might have a part in it probably. I dunno I might just be giving far too much weight into that one post you posted that I thought was scummy.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I don't think the cop should view TG. I clearly think we should Lynch him, as that's the only way were gonna get a real true alignment.

 

Why are you making out like I'm trying to direct the cop? That's just waaaaaaaay out there.

[hazelkrs1]

Des how can you say TG's case on TSB/Swag is good? You know exactly what Swag is like from games on VS.

 

My meta on Swag isn't NEARLY as good as yours. So while yes, he does act pretty aloof early on in all the games I've seen him in, I can't completely disregard TG's points on meta.

 

And honestly I don't have a scumread on Swag or anything necessarily, I just think TG summed up HIS read very well and made me think he is town because of it

 

AJ/Tom/Csarmi/GT seem townie to me so far

 

In order of clearedness from feels and magic space junk

 

AJ

Tom/GT

Csarmi

 

no one's sticking out as particularly scummy. Page 7.

 

I like Manbat's early WIM and participation

 

 

1. I do believe that Tommy wouldn't get involved in a silly firefight as Mafia.

 

2. What's that about deflect?

 

3. You simultaneously manage to cast both me and Tommy as possible Mafia in your first response. That's good going. That fence must really be hurting your bottom.

 

4. TG wasn't voting me. He just stepped up the nudges on me after AJ and Tommy voted me. Maybe he didn't want to be number 3.

 

 

1. If you genuinely believe this you're objectively wrong. Tommy would have zero qualms getting involved in a "silly" firefight as Mafia

 

2. I think you townreading Tommy was you deflecting

 

3. Oh look- more discrediting of your attackers

 

4. .... Can't believe you're trying to push the "third on the wagon" thing too. Blech.

 

Like I could resist reading. Townish Despo WoT and mindmeld points on TG/IT.

 

Town lean.

 

Fwiw I actually have you as green now as well, even after your early posts

[Yates]

I don't know how a Town Miller would behave.

Not to be overly nitpicky here but I'm going to be overly nitpicky. What did you mean by Town Miller? Why add the Town part? Have you been in games with a Scum Miller? I think they are just called Godfathers. *shrug*

[Yates]

I don't think the cop should view TG.

Cop would never do this anyway. We already know the result would be guilty. That's the whole point of claiming Miller in the first place. You are saying "Guys, I'm going to investigate as guilty."

[hazelkrs1]

I'm monstrman

 

Oh wow I didn't know. Tight man!

 

Early green read for you then

 

I don't think the cop should view TG. I clearly think we should Lynch him, as that's the only way were gonna get a real true alignment.

 

Why are you making out like I'm trying to direct the cop? That's just waaaaaaaay out there.

 

Ithi you're the one who said that people might all walk away from this and let TG off the hook, and that the Cop wouldn't view him. Your words, not mine.

 

I wasn't trying to fos you for trying to direct the cop, I was just trying to get where you were coming from cause that post made no sense.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Also Despo does a massive post listing all the reasons - could be Mafia.

 

But also says I could be Town.

 

3rd vote being Mafia is epic funny.

 

And

 

 

I thought that's what it was. Town Miller like Town Vanilla like Town cop.

 

Alignment and Role?

 

Seems a little thing to get annoyed about really.

[monstrman]

Despot being nice to me I think is a villager tell for him.

 

The last wolf game I saw him in I'm pretty sure he was adamant on lynching me in the early stages of the game.

 

Ofc the last villager game I was in with him he scumread me early but I don't think that was entirely his fault because I was sort of playing an utr game which probably made it slightly difficult.

 

I'm comfortable giving him an early green read right back.

[Yates]

Early green read for you then

Since when do you hand out early "green" reads as Town?