[Standard] Cory vs. Bad Dietary Habits & Laziness Mafia, Mafia Sweep

[SickPuppets]

Sick Puppets I think you are handling me badly here.

 

I voted you for basically no discernable reason, which prompted you to ask me for one.

 

I feel like right now you're trying to be more cordial/reasonable with me than regarding me as a potential suspect. If you are town, I would think my vote on you would cause some concern as you wouldn't know my true alignment or intentions. That isn't the vibe I get right now and it doesn't make me feel great about your slot.

I think you're putting reasoning down too quickly. Once again. I can understand that vote. You put the vote on me based solely on the fact that I had some pretty poor posts which is fair reasoning to place a vote on someone day 1. No, I don't know your alignment but I do think that you're town because of this. I'm not the kind of person to mark you as a potential suspect for that. Voting and not giving a reason THEN posting about other stuff is suspect. 

[Andrej]

 

 

Totally shook!

 

 

Also WATCH OUT MEANIE IN THE HOUSE!

 

But not really, I'm still at work ; . ;

 

hallia confirmed butternut

 

also when you get back from work I expect #werk

 

you don't get a pass this game.

 

I never get a pass

 

Soon to be home <3

 

And by soon I mean I'm technically at home, but I just got home, so I need to catch up.

 

FTR I am in agreeance with Monstr this game here. Only reason I didn't push Hallia more in the VS DBZ game that just finished is because we were wolfing together.

 

In this case - no such leniency. I already feel ~bad about Csarmi, so the promise of catching up nearly 6 hours ago without any follow up is #notagoodlook imo

[Andrej]

 

Sick Puppets I think you are handling me badly here.

 

I voted you for basically no discernable reason, which prompted you to ask me for one.

 

I feel like right now you're trying to be more cordial/reasonable with me than regarding me as a potential suspect. If you are town, I would think my vote on you would cause some concern as you wouldn't know my true alignment or intentions. That isn't the vibe I get right now and it doesn't make me feel great about your slot.

 

I think you're putting reasoning down too quickly. Once again. I can understand that vote. You put the vote on me based solely on the fact that I had some pretty poor posts which is fair reasoning to place a vote on someone day 1. No, I don't know your alignment but I do think that you're town because of this. I'm not the kind of person to mark you as a potential suspect for that. Voting and not giving a reason THEN posting about other stuff is suspect. 

 

Okay, I can follow your last point there. Still not really sure how I should interpret the other stuff though. I just led a mislynch on you at Lylo in the DBZ game, so I would think for you that it wouldn't be outside of my wolf range to target you.

 

Anyway - more pertinent stuff. Tom and I have fingered you as wolfy for your posts. Despot says that he gets a townie vibe. Your opinion?

[SickPuppets]

 

 

Sick Puppets I think you are handling me badly here.

 

I voted you for basically no discernable reason, which prompted you to ask me for one.

 

I feel like right now you're trying to be more cordial/reasonable with me than regarding me as a potential suspect. If you are town, I would think my vote on you would cause some concern as you wouldn't know my true alignment or intentions. That isn't the vibe I get right now and it doesn't make me feel great about your slot.

 

I think you're putting reasoning down too quickly. Once again. I can understand that vote. You put the vote on me based solely on the fact that I had some pretty poor posts which is fair reasoning to place a vote on someone day 1. No, I don't know your alignment but I do think that you're town because of this. I'm not the kind of person to mark you as a potential suspect for that. Voting and not giving a reason THEN posting about other stuff is suspect. 

 

Okay, I can follow your last point there. Still not really sure how I should interpret the other stuff though. I just led a mislynch on you at Lylo in the DBZ game, so I would think for you that it wouldn't be outside of my wolf range to target you.

 

Anyway - more pertinent stuff. Tom and I have fingered you as wolfy for your posts. Despot says that he gets a townie vibe. Your opinion?

 

Wait wait wait. Oh. OH MY GOD I'M AN IDIOT. It's _AJ. 

Also your tone is very different than the lylo  in DBZ at the moment so that's one thing. 

I can understand where you're coming from, if Tom's just saying what you're saying that's a bit odd and I'd like to hear why Despot thinks I'm town so far

[hazelkrs1]

Cool I'm mostly caught up.

 

I like Halligami/Tomstress/SP/Yates so far.  

 

Votes on Dice are premature imo.  He looks like he always does, which is to say open and completely oblivious to his tone.  IthiTurin also look odd but I am not too worried about them yet.  Turin can play a straight game but Ithi stick out more and more over time.  Mainly with her it is illogical arguments compounding and their Hydra thankfully solves the drama of figuring out how much of their buddying is their bond.  

 

Don't think I've ever played with meridan before.

 

I actually don't have a problem with this post, which is kinda funny for Darthe. I'm not trying to say that means anything either, just often I find his early reads to be bad or wolfy. These look kosher so far, even if I disagree with them.

 

Sick Puppets I think you are handling me badly here.

 

I voted you for basically no discernable reason, which prompted you to ask me for one.

 

I feel like right now you're trying to be more cordial/reasonable with me than regarding me as a potential suspect. If you are town, I would think my vote on you would cause some concern as you wouldn't know my true alignment or intentions. That isn't the vibe I get right now and it doesn't make me feel great about your slot.

 

This seems weird to me- like AJ was planning on making SP look bad no matter how he reacted to the vote. And I actually get what AJ is saying, but I don't really think that he would normally find this scummy from someone.

[hazelkrs1]

I think SP is town here because of his casual demeanor. As scum he is much more guarded and tends to have consensus reads and tries to fit in. As town he is much more likely to stand out at first and is more aloof. Plus, the times I've seen him caught as scum it wasn't all that hard to catch him, so if I'm wrong here I doubt he fools everyone, he's not usually in the "deep wolf" category

[hazelkrs1]

Also weird to me that some peeps are townreading either Turin or Ithi because they're "acting like they normally do" or anything like that. I honestly don't feel that is the case here- I've never seen Ithi push a policy-like vote out the gate before and stick to it, and I also am not used to seeing Turin fall back on buzzwords so much. He's more likely to overexplain something to NOT use buzzwords than the opposite.

[csarmi]

 

 

Do mafia fake-claim Miller on this site? Is that a thing here?

Last miller claim was mine. I was town on role madness. I wouldn't lock myself into a role like that as Mafia in my first post but I do know some players who are ballsy enough. I don't think its out of TG's range.

 

 

Kinda hedgy on his TG read imo. 'I wouldn't personally lock myself in as a role like that as Mafia, but TG might.' Doesn't really come off like he's trying to discern TG's motivation here.

 

What is there to discern? If he's town, he's doing it for town credit (and cause it's a sensible thing to do). If he's mafia, he's doing it for town credit and wifom potential. I gave my views on whether I think he would pull this as mafia (I think yes). FWIW, I like his game and lean town on him (after last evening) but I'm really bad at reading TG. I just hope Hally is better.

 

 

Dice has frozen the thread!

 

This was just random and I don't really understand. Salami spam probably ~null, but just seems out of sync with the game.

 

No it was exactly on sync with the game. Posts just kept flowing, Dice came in and the game kind of ... stopped.

 

 

 

Did we claim?

 

I don't remember seeing us claim?

 

 

Pretty sure he meant to write TG there.

 

 

This is the post I was talking about where to me it looks like CS is paying close attention to the thread but not really commenting on much as it progresses.

 

See: Sniping or Sidelining for reference.

 

Fair enough. I was waiting for my Clash of Clan troops to get trained and playing Catan. Occasionally I would look at the thread and comment. I didn't put any deep thinking into the game or felt important to take stances. This stood out for some reason (was sitting next to the comp at that point) so I thought I'd clarify.

 

 

Night all. Hally takes over when I sleep.

 

I'm >rand to be lazy at night.

 

Just thought this was sort of amusing. Typical CS thing where he says he'll go to bed but keep posting

 

Yea. The evening took a different turn. I've actually stayed up long enough to be able to talk with Hally even.

 

 

 

Are these guys just new to the game? That might give them some leeway.

 

Ithi is probably the best scumhunter on DM (certainly in the top three). Turin is quite good too. Turin did push for MIller lynch in my game too... with that said, they is giving me bad vibes so far with their push. Especially if we add Turin's initial answer to me.

 

 

How do you feel about TG's claim, Turin?

 

I don't feel anything about it. Flavour wise it seems to fit. I am leaning to believe the claim. Not sure how Miller fits in with Standard type mafia set up however.

 

 

 

Bolded: Here Salami is stating that he's had prior experience of Turin pushing him with a Miller claim (I'm assuming Turin was town that game, correct me if wrong) which to me would make him think it more aligns with Turin's town game. What I don't like is how he's hedging on evidence that should suggest town!Turin and making it seem bad.

 

What exactly about Turin's initial response did you dislike? Looking at it again, I think his reasoning is pretty good.

 

Yes Turin was town that game. His initial response is okay, it contradicts his later play however.

 

What I'm saying that I can see town!Turin pushing millers but the way his game happened to progress this time and their push in general don't sit well with me. I'm leaning scum on them.

[hazelkrs1]

I think it's funny how right there Turin was saying he was leaning to believe the claim, yet recently he has stressed that the claim didn't sit well with him immediately

 

Happy with my vote on WiFuM

[hazelkrs1]

To give a more in depth look at what I'm talking about:

 

@GleMeri, Flavor?  

 

 

Ithi is TOWN. 

 

 

 

 

Character?

 

Dark Chocolate.  We might look bad for you but we really aren't. 

 

plausible. 

 

 

These are Turin's first two posts reacting to the Miller claim. First asking for flavor (presumably character, there was some xposting going on at the time it seems) so while possibly skeptical certainly not expressing any instant doubt, and then after seeing the character Turin says it's "plausible". Which I can only infer means Turin thought it was "plausible" TG was telling the truth

 

 

How do you feel about TG's claim, Turin?

I don't feel anything about it. Flavour wise it seems to fit. I am leaning to believe the claim. Not sure how Miller fits in with Standard type mafia set up however.

 

Arsis, is a quest bar some sort of protein thing? Or is it where adventurers go to tell tales? 

 

 

So here is Turin responding to Csarmi asking what he thinks about the claim. Funny thing is, Turin FIRST says he doesn't feel anything about it, followed immediately by him saying he is leaning to believe it, followed by setup spec that leaves the door open to doubt the claim later (and honestly I don't see how someone as experienced as Turin would find a Miller role unusual in a Standard type mafia game).

 

Bad language already? How uncivilised.

[V]Vote TG[/v]

Can do without a muddying of waters

 

 

The problem with millers is that there is no way to actually vet them in a more basic game because the roles that could clear them are not going to be there. Claiming Miller and then playing uber town is a recipe to a town loss. 

 

Part of claiming Miller early is knowing that you may have to be lynched for the long term good of the town.

 

You could be telling the truth but without being able to confirm it then all it does is set up a bad situation later in the game. 

 

So this is funny- after Ithi comes in and votes TG, Turin's very next post is supporting his other half. Understandable, but still interesting considering Turin had previously stated that the claim was "plausible" and that he was leaning to believe it. Kinda weird to go from that to then preaching about the dangers of leaving a miller claim unlynched.

 

If this is truly how Turin felt about Miller claims, why didn't he bring this up before? Why only when Ithi had already come in with the policy vote?

 

 

@Ithi: I'm so town my triceps look like horseshoes

 

 

 

Aorn tho I don't think you and Turin are town. And my other two scum reads have both at least started looking marginally better- Yates in his push on you, and Arsis in that one response to me. You guys tho keep doubling down on the buzzword stuff and waffling between policy lynch and legit scum read on TG

Yates pushed at us? really? 

 

Doubling down on buzzwords... ironical.

 

There is no waffling between the two. The initial look was because the claim did not sit well. So after applying some pressure and seeing his response I am more convinced he is mafia. You gonna tell me it is bad to pressure people that you find suspicious and see how they respond?

 

As of right Now I am thinking that you are not town either so there you go. 

 

 

Now compare all that to Turin's recent response to me. In the bold, Turin is clearly trying to make it seem like he initially doubted the claim, that it didn't sit well with him, so that he then applied pressure. But he DIDN'T really doubt the claim initially, at least not in any firm way. He said it was plausible and was "leaning to believe it", and then started joking with Arsis. Turin was NOT interested in pressuring TG for his claim, yet he is trying to act like he was. Ithi DID come in instantly with the vote, but Turin is now trying to take credit for skepticism of the claim that he did not truly express.

 

[dicetosser1]

i DID say i was at work and would catch up as i can,  shakes head.

 

ok so

 

Why does it matter to you all so much who I'm voting.

I'm just 1 person.

If you don't want to vote him then go ahead, vote someone else. I can't make you agree with me. But you can't make me change my mind about what I feel.

Not even when all SIX of you seem to suggest it's the most important thing on earth.

But I'm going to actually go do my adventure game now. And then I'm going to do fun things and not get drawn into this ever decreasing circle.

I don't play like you. I get it - I really do. I play like me. I doubt I'll ever change as I've been playing like this forever.

I'm not all bad. I do often find bad guys with my weird eclectic style.

And it's late and I'd like to have some happy time before bed.

If turin ever decides to post again, ask him logical questions. He's much better at that.

 

the blue.   But you ARNT playing like you. You have been focussed on one person/discussion really. all about the miller. thats not the ithi im used to. you feel off to me and that making me lean mafia on you.

[dicetosser1]

tommy lose the bromance clearing will ya?  Why are you leaning town on manbat? give reasons.  and yes i skimmed and so may have missed it. Deal with it i just caught up 20 odd pages and still have to look at darthes game yet.

 

i was likeing the same thing about des' relaxed tone as other people were.

 

AJ made my eyebrows raise with the way he went on sickpuppets. i have seen heaps of people say that sort of thing when accused of being mafia early on. why is that a reason to vote?

[Tommyrod]

tommy lose the bromance clearing will ya?  Why are you leaning town on manbat? give reasons.  and yes i skimmed and so may have missed it. Deal with it i just caught up 20 odd pages and still have to look at darthes game yet.

 

i was likeing the same thing about des' relaxed tone as other people were.

 

AJ made my eyebrows raise with the way he went on sickpuppets. i have seen heaps of people say that sort of thing when accused of being mafia early on. why is that a reason to vote?

Have you seen something from manbat that you think is scummy?

[Tommyrod]

FTR I am in agreeance with Monstr this game here. Only reason I didn't push Hallia more in the VS DBZ game that just finished is because we were wolfing together.

 

In this case - no such leniency. I already feel ~bad about Csarmi, so the promise of catching up nearly 6 hours ago without any follow up is #notagoodlook imo

Hallia was super excited to play a mafia game.

 

So it's probably bad that she isn't.

[csarmi]

 

FTR I am in agreeance with Monstr this game here. Only reason I didn't push Hallia more in the VS DBZ game that just finished is because we were wolfing together.

 

In this case - no such leniency. I already feel ~bad about Csarmi, so the promise of catching up nearly 6 hours ago without any follow up is #notagoodlook imo

Hallia was super excited to play a mafia game.

 

So it's probably bad that she isn't.

 

I just know that she got home, then we chatted a bit on skype/QT (setting up communication and ways to reach one another)... then she probably had other plans for the evening. She seemed to be quite excited about us playing and she loved our role.

[TheSlenderMan]

Cut by csarmi answering a question before I even got to axe (was going to ask him to paraphrase the Hydra QT).

 

_AJ raises excellent points and seems very Town-like here.

 

The backpedalling (by Turin) Despot just pointed out looks horrible and need some serious EXPLAINING on Turin's part.

 

For the moment: [unvote]

 

[v]Arsis[/v]

 

Anyone legit think this guy is Town here?

 

Yet barely anyone's expressing any interest to actually Voting him?

 

Don't think that csarmi's gamestart Vote on Arsis makes it impossible for them to be knowingly co-aligned, btw: could totally plausibly be weak 'distancing', especially with the way Arsis reacted to the Vote.

[keyholder21]

Official Vote Count:

 

Arsis (2) - Halligeddon, TheSlenderMan

Torrey_Smith's_Brother (1) - Arsis

TG/Meri (1) - TI

Tomstress (1) - Yates

TI (2) - TG/Meri, Despothera

Halligeddon (1) - manbat

SickPuppets (2) - Andrej, Tomstress

 

Not Voting (7): everyone else

 

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!

 

No Deadline yet. 

[TheSlenderMan]

Also Arsis -- please run me through on why your Vote is still on TSB, even this late into the game.

[TheSlenderMan]

Also fwiw I'm going to revoke the superficial Town-lean on Despot; I don't remember a reason for him to not be Scum here, especially if Ithi/TT is a Town-slot.

 

If anyone remembers something in favour of Town!Despot over Scum!Despot, please point it out.

[monstrman]

Cut by csarmi answering a question before I even got to axe (was going to ask him to paraphrase the Hydra QT).

 

_AJ raises excellent points and seems very Town-like here.

 

The backpedalling (by Turin) Despot just pointed out looks horrible and need some serious EXPLAINING on Turin's part.

 

For the moment: [unvote]

 

[v]Arsis[/v]

 

Anyone legit think this guy is Town here?

 

Yet barely any one's expressing any interest to actually Voting him?

 

Don't think that csarmi's gamestart Vote on Arsis makes it impossible for them to be knowingly co-aligned, btw: could totally plausibly be weak 'distancing', especially with the way Arsis reacted to the Vote.

 

I don't really have any particular feelings one way or the other about him. I mean the parked vote is #notagoodlook, but I don't see anything that glaringly makes me want to go "lynch this guy, he's definitely scum."

 

I kind of don't want to stop voting hallia until she posts because she has this thing when she's scum where she flies utr the whole game and people just kind of ignore it. If she's town I want her to be obvious today and that would put me at ease.

 

As far as Despot goes I think my interaction with him felt pretty genuine and he feels like he's playing differently from the game where he was scum against me, so I'm still comfortable with the greenlight as far as I'm concerned, though I can't really say I blame you for rescinding your lean since his scum game is actually really good.

 

Unrelated: I think SP is playing within his villager range right now. From what I recall in the last game he was called out for seeming "emotionally detached" and I think it's villagery in a vaccuum to agree with people for voting you while saying "I agree with your votes because I had some pretty terrible posts." I also agree with him about AJ's tone being massively different than from lylo at DBZ, which is a large reason why AJ is at one of my most cleared villagers right now.

[Tommyrod]

You saw my reasoning for TG being town due to "sharpness?" Same for Des; this tone read being easier for me because I *just* spent a good chunk of a game arguing with him when we were both town.

 

I'm not locked into these reads if people start looking bad but I feel good about them for now.

[monstrman]

Current willing to lynch list:

 

Hallia

Arsis

Anyone with under 5 posts

[csarmi]

@SlenderMan - what would you have me paraphrase?

[TheSlenderMan]

The Halligeddon-slot could well be Scum -- AJ made me see the light re: that.

 

Especially since, with so many Town-ish reads around, it would be Lazy and Bad to assume that 'Scum is in the non-posters herp derp a derp derp'.

 

I don't think I remember a single game where the first half of D1 was all Town-on-Town -interactions.

 

So Arsis and Halligeddon both being Scum is actually plausible, in light of the Threadflow so far.

[csarmi]

Current willing to lynch list:

 

Hallia

Arsis

Anyone with under 5 posts

Hallia is town.