[Advanced] Woodstock 1969 Mafia - Town wins

[Krakalakachkn]

Lan is looking pretty awesome.

 

I like his DT analysis.

 

Gut says Len is town

[Andrej]

lol Krak

 

SPELLING

[Yates]

Gut says Len is town

Your gut is wrong.

Lenlo, in the body of Jerry Garcia, Mafia Goon died on Day 1

[Yates]

lol Krak

 

SPELLING

Beat me to it.

 

Would you please respond to my 2200 while you are here? It has me puzzled.

[Andrej]

Let me be more clear.  A) I've been busy with work and since the wife and kid are out of town I've been busy with the drink.  So, I read about 10 pages, then have to go off and do something, only to see 10 more pages added to the game.  I'm at page 91 now. 

B) What do you mean by "deep wolf"?  Do you mean a hardcore lurker who will have zero thread presence?  Do you mean somebody in game who is full of WiM and looks super town?  Do you mean somebody who has hardcore buddied the #lockclear club?  It's not obvious.

 

TG - I don't buy that you have no clue what a deep wolf is referring to. Especially considering how you so freely use all the other acronyms that have recently come to DM.

 

WiM for instance, which you're actually using in this post.

 

 

 

Do you think Des would be coming in and dropping thoughts organically like he has if he was scum and 2 of his bros just died? That would be depressing as heck if I was scum. I would lose WIM big time. Huge comeback required.

Are you even reading? Des WiM sank like a tiny pebble in a sad sad stream. And he has since been flagellating it like crazy to get it to come back up while constantly telling people it might go right back down.

I honestly haven't noticed what you're talking about.

 

Me neither.

 

Besides, I don't see Des as ever getting to the point of emo-quit even if a couple of his scumbros died.  I can see him taking a moment to recover and, once his ego gets back, thinking he is gonna go HAM and win the game by himself.

 

Despot wanted to quit WAY before the Len lynch became prominent and even if he was scum he wouldn't have known I was gonna kill Darthe N1.

 

Thread flow, br0.

 

Btw with a cop and deputy (backup right?) it's nearly guaranteed we have a GF right?

 

I would assume so.

 

At this point I feel like it's going to be hard for mafia to bus, instead I feel like we're going to see clear stances taken and it's going to be hard to get scum to budge on them.  Organic flow will dissipate and forced thought will set in.

 

 

Key's ISO on my play does not look organic.  I see hedging and a slight narrative engagement bias.  I could better understand that bias if she had come to the conclusion that I was scum instead of 'sketchy,' but sketchy it is and the bias looks a bit forced.

 

 

 

Krak ISO looks sketchy.

 

In ironic fashion, argues against lynching Len because “has no good reason”. Says nothing after the five post ISO on darthe.

Unvotes and votes for Vos at a time when darthe and Len were vote leaders.

 

Votes for Len because he “doesn’t remember him posting a reason for him not to be around”.

 

Later states that Len is a slight scum read, but doesn’t mention why, or a reason for his view on Len changing. I suppose maybe it’s because he wasn’t around, but he doesn’t say that, nor did he say he thought it scummy when he voted him.

 

 

 

 

You have no interest in a no lynch and yet you vote Lenlo?

What's your problem with a Lenlo lynch??

I don't have a good reason to lynch him atm.

[darthe ISO by Tommy]

 

 

Maybe he really did shank his girlfriend?

How did everyone feel about Hallia's response to my vote?

Unvote Vote Vos

 

 

I propose that we lynch Despo.

Still?

Do you not want to?

 

I still think his desire to lynch Thane to "maybe feel better" about Salami is questionable.

Hallia, who was it that commented on you going "lololol?"

I have a secret scum lean on AJ at the moment.

 

Suspicious of Vos until his claim (his flavor claim sounded legit too) - still don't like his play though.

 

Suspicious (leaning scum) of Hallia and Des

 

Null to leaning scum on Thane, Lenlo

 

Neutral on Salami, Kates, DT, Dice, Darthe

 

Null to leaning town on BFG, Arsis

 

Leaning town on Tom and TG

 

 

I don't like my Salami, Arsis, or Thane leans/reads, but I think this best describes where I'm at right now.

 

Thane I feel like I'm going with the flow

Salami I am more likely to read >rand town despite 'evidence' that I'd call scum tells in other players

Arsis is kinda gut and I'd rather have a better idea of how to read him

Hallia - seeing as how firmly you think I'm scum, why would you not notice that it was me who called you out on lolololing? I feel like it would have stuck out to you in some manner.

It only took her a minute to find the quote which makes me think she knew where it was which makes me think she knew who said it which makes me think she didn't post my name originally because she wanted to distance from her read on me a bit so it wouldn't look like she was tunneling?

 

 

Hallia, tell me I'm over-thinking this and that I can trust you.

 

 

Not sure I trust your fellow voters.

 

But sure, why not, I don't trust enough people will come online within the next three hours. 

 

[unvote]

 

|v]Lenlo[/v]

 

Ok, hitting bed now.

Wait, what? Wouldn't bold be a better reason to vote for Len in the first place? Since he and Vos were tied with the most votes at this time.

Sorry, I either don't get the context or am not sure what you're pointing at. Could you expound a bit?

 

Problem is I know Lenlo was online so wouldn't mafia have had him claim something if they had fake claims?

 

He didn't even try.

Not if they want to sell Vos' claim really hard.

 

Emphasis on "arguing against lynching Len" instead of "questioned Len lynch" or "challenged Arsis on a washy vote." 

 

 

Good point on challenging my "Len null to scum lean" read, but doesn't go far enough.  Maybe I missed a question in a later post, but I don't see any challenging or intent at further action, merely presentation.

 

 

I also realize that Kates is a group target at the moment, so I must take momentary bias into my thoughts too. I'm not doing a good job at townreading so far this game.

 

 

 

@KEY

 

Do you think it's more likely that my early non-reaction to Lenlo and Darthe and subsequent comments are because I'm scum or because they had not presented any sort of valid play?

 

 

Also please respond with a clear answer as to whether you think I'm scum or town as I don't have time to search through the thread and don't have recent notes.

 

Key's argument:

 

'Krak is scummy cause he was hesitant to lynch the same people I was.'

 

I like how Krak responded here actually. Very level headed imo

[Andrej]

 

lol Krak

 

SPELLING

 

Beat me to it.

 

Would you please respond to my 2200 while you are here? It has me puzzled.

 

Yeah, I'll get back to that in a sec.

[hazelkrs1]

I'm officially falling asleep in bed at our new house and it feels amaaaaaaaazing

 

[Yates]

Key's argument:

 

'Krak is scummy cause he was hesitant to lynch the same people I was.'

Actually, I was confused about this as well. I think she just wasn't being super clear. She was saying that she talked about Len and Darthe and said why she didn't want to lynch them. She's saying Krak just said he didn't want to lynch them but not why. So she was saying there is a difference between stating a position [like Krak] and backing it up [like her].

 

While what she is saying is true, we are in disagreement on this issue because here people tend to get away with just saying stuff and not backing it up. I wish that weren't the case but it is. So while this could be ascribed scum value elsewhere, it's a marginal tell here AT BEST.

[Andrej]

 

Don't like Yates egging that on after town reading Despot's post and then coming back with 'but I wonder how he'll react to TG's posts. They were solid'

 

An opinion was asked on a single post. I responded to the post. Then I realized that the response I gave might be misconstrued as me thinking Des is Town. So I made the second post to make you aware of where my head is at currently. I like TG's narrative and I'd like to see where it goes. As I said earlier, if there's a GF role [and I think there is] I think Des is a good candidate.

 

Why would it be Des specifically over anyone else?

 

Also:

Anyway, that one post actually looks Townie.  I'm interested in Des's response to TG's narrative, though.  It's solid.

 

Two posts? What is the second one you're talking about because this is all I see. You say Des looks Townie after you break down the quote of his into individual portions - and then follow it up by saying 'TG could be right tho'

 

So Despot looks Townie on closer examination but you think he could still be 'the Godfather'

 

?

 

 

I kill TG over Des any day this game.

 

I'm having a hard time understanding your TG hate.

 

You liked that he had Arsis, Lenlo, and Darthe in his WTL pool [in that order] - which I agree seems pretty Town. I don't think scum will put two buddies in their WTL list, especially if 1 is a PR. Plus, he did post that he wanted to silence and kill Len, which was pretty funny and prescient.

 

But you didn't like that he asked you if you thought Key was scum after you made that "this could be important" post? That's where I saw you turn on your read. Maybe it's because it's my slot but I read that at face value.

 

Is there something else that I'm missing?

 

You're right, TG having those people on his WTL list did look very good for him D1. Arsis being 1st is somewhat concerning because I feel like he's town and this could have been TG's move to get himself as the 'deep wolf' (which he apparently has no concept of lol) by listing two of his scumbros that were already being suspected on D1. Notice how Lenlo (goon) is listed before Darthe (role cop). Coincidence? Maybe - but I still find it strange.

 

The part about him questioning me about the post I made regarding Key's reads, I think that is more a potential subconscious tell than anything.

 

I really just don't like how TG entered D2 tbh. I think he would've been a bit harder from the get-go once he came back and saw 2 scum dead. Instead he just kinda floundered around asking for Cliff Notes and acted confused which I think was a bit scummy. As far as I can tell he's got Des and you as his scum reads for today. Big whoop.

 

You I agree on, obv. But I believe in like the heart of my hearts that Despot is town this game.

 

If I'm wrong then you guys can change my name to Derf or something and I will forever in shame.

[Krakalakachkn]

ATBEST

[Andrej]

Another thing about TG - why is he dragging up all this crap from D1 now to push Despot with anyway??

WHERE WAS THIS CASE ON D1?

[Krakalakachkn]

HIBERNATING! LIKE A TORTOISE!

[Andrej]

Actually - I'm gonna look over BFG's handy vote tracker and see how TG's votes moved around on D1.

 

Should be fun.

[Andrej]

Everyone join me!

 

Huzzah! (for Hallia)

[Krakalakachkn]

HUZZAH!

[Yates]

Why would it be Des specifically over anyone else?

I'll give you a better answer in the morning because I need sleep but basically a tone read atm.

 

Two posts? What is the second one you're talking about because this is all I see. You say Des looks Townie after you break down the quote of his into individual portions - and then follow it up by saying 'TG could be right tho'

No. Just in the one post. The post Tommy quoted and asked for an opinion on. That's the post I gave my feedback on. Again, I said that POST looks Townie on investigation. I realized that wasn't clear so I made a second post as a "BUT" I'm still open to the idea of Deep Wolf Des.

 

Notice how Lenlo (goon) is listed before Darthe (role cop). Coincidence? Maybe - but I still find it strange.

I guess I didn't notice. I assumed it was because people were talking about Lenlo and not about Darthe at the time.

 

I really just don't like how TG entered D2 tbh. I think he would've been a bit harder from the get-go once he came back and saw 2 scum dead. Instead he just kinda floundered around asking for Cliff Notes and acted confused which I think was a bit scummy. As far as I can tell he's got Des and you as his scum reads for today. Big whoop.

I guess I'd have to go back and see how much he actually missed. I hadn't noticed that but I was kind of dealing with stuff at the time so I guess it's possible. TG should probably answer that for himself, though.

 

Okay. Good enough. Thanks.

[Andrej]

I'm still going to push for an Arsis lynch today.  If not I'll go Lenlo 2nd.  Darthe 3rd.  Des 4th.

 

Meh?

 

Meh.

 

Idk - maybe I'm just really wrong on Despot and TG is right. But I kinda doubt that. I think I'm more likely wrong on TG and still right on Despot. Both of them showed support for lynching Len/Darthe. Despot actually voted both in a pressuring manner throughout the Day and TG was on either Arsis/Despot until about ~12 hours to DL before he moved to Lenlo when a few others voiced support. This does look good for him, but: Bus for town cred or legit?

[Tyler Glembo]

You're right, TG having those people on his WTL list did look very good for him D1. Arsis being 1st is somewhat concerning because I feel like he's town and this could have been TG's move to get himself as the 'deep wolf' (which he apparently has no concept of lol) by listing two of his scumbros that were already being suspected on D1. Notice how Lenlo (goon) is listed before Darthe (role cop). Coincidence? Maybe - but I still find it strange.

 

The part about him questioning me about the post I made regarding Key's reads, I think that is more a potential subconscious tell than anything.

 

I really just don't like how TG entered D2 tbh. I think he would've been a bit harder from the get-go once he came back and saw 2 scum dead. Instead he just kinda floundered around asking for Cliff Notes and acted confused which I think was a bit scummy. As far as I can tell he's got Des and you as his scum reads for today. Big whoop.

 

You I agree on, obv. But I believe in like the heart of my hearts that Despot is town this game.

 

If I'm wrong then you guys can change my name to Derf or something and I will forever in shame.

 

Bro, I know what the concept of deep wolf throat (new term for mafia is throat) is, but the concept is ambiguous since it could refer to a number of different playstyles. Notice that I listed them out when questioning how CSarmi meant it when he said deep throat.

 

As for my D2 entrance, make of it what you will.  I got stupid busy at work and was out the entire night.  I came back to 30+ pages so I didn't even know you shot Darthe when I started posting.  I even told Tommy where I was when asking for cliff notes.  So good job AJ, I think what you really want here is congrats on shooting Darthe.

 

Okay but seriously, good shot.

[Tyler Glembo]

Me neither.

 

Besides, I don't see Des as ever getting to the point of emo-quit even if a couple of his scumbros died.  I can see him taking a moment to recover and, once his ego gets back, thinking he is gonna go HAM and win the game by himself.

 

Despot wanted to quit WAY before the Len lynch became prominent and even if he was scum he wouldn't have known I was gonna kill Darthe N1.

 

Thread flow, br0.

 

When I think of Des I think more top poster and wanting to be a town leader.  Do you think he has been either this game?  I'll go back and look at how he entered D2, with or without WiM, but he would've known both Darthe and Lenlo were in trouble with their trains were building D1.  So yeah, timelines.

[Andrej]

Despot is #2 in posts behind Tom's ridiculous ~500 something.

 

And yes, I do think he came out at the start of this game in such a manner and instead got his scheit pushed in over it.

 

I think you're wrong on him, I'll just say that.

 

I keep going back and forth on you.

[Krakalakachkn]

So yeah, timelines.

[Tyler Glembo]

Yeah, I can't tell if you actually think I'm scum or are just tinfoiling a bit about me.  Prolly cuz you don't know either.  Either way I'm town so your effort is better spent elsewhere. 

 

AJ, what would you do if you were trying to deep wolf throat yourself because you were GF.  Bus multiple teammates D1, or shout your lungs out against their lynch hoping to get cop viewed for it? 

[Andrej]

I'm not looking for a congrats, but thanks anyway

 

I'm just stating my thoughts on how I'm perceiving things. My word isn't written law obviously, although I do understand that at this point it may be weighed more heavily than others. 

 

I get where you're coming from and I have no interest in calling you a liar over it, nor would I. You just seemed sort of deflated - which could just be you being hungover. I certainly know that feeling.

 

I keep looking at your ISO and I think a lot of the stuff you've said/done has been pretty townie but I think you're going in the wrong direction with Despot.

[Tyler Glembo]

Despot is #2 in posts behind Tom's ridiculous ~500 something.

 

And yes, I do think he came out at the start of this game in such a manner and instead got his scheit pushed in over it.

 

I think you're wrong on him, I'll just say that.

 

I keep going back and forth on you.

 

So yeah, timelines.

 

Fine, I'll go back and look.  Not that the point on his WiM has anything to do with the main reason I find him scum, which is how he took outs during the Tommy tiff. 

 

And I don't think I'm wrong on Despot so I'm going to keep pushing it.  You could just save us the trouble and shoot his slimy @$$.

[Andrej]

GFs have to tread a thin line of being scummy enough to get peeked but not enough to get lynched.

 

Bussing your teammates is likely going to NOT get you viewed imo, cause then you can be cleared through wagonomics in a hypothetical situation.

 

Arguing against their lynch, maybe. This could also be disastrous and end up getting you strung up as well.

 

So yeah - thin line.

 

I also haven't personally played as a GF, ever, so I'm probably not the best source.

 

Tom might be though. He's sort of notorious for being a GF when rolled scum, at least on DM.