[Advanced] Woodstock 1969 Mafia - Town wins

[Tommyrod]

So BFG was WTL Len but never says why?

[Andrej]

Pretty much.

 

Compared to her 2 other scum reads on Despot and Thane.

 

I wasn't a fan of her OP either, but meh.

 

Like I was babbling on last night about, I really don't like trying to read her in games. I kind of want her to be town, so it clouds my judgement.

[hazelkrs1]

Sadly I'm still awake (have had serious issues with sleep lately ) and yeah after reviewing BFG's iso I'm comfortable putting a vote there. Extremely little thread presence even tho apparently she's been posting a bit here and there. Very little sign of her wanting to put in actual #work in her posts, which is very unlike town!BFG

 

[V]BFG[/v]

 

Also wtl Kates and TG. Salami on my backburner for now.

[Tommyrod]

Hey Des you still sore at me? I'm sorry about what happened.

[Drunk Tank]

Well we have had 2 megalurker scum. I would think other two are more outspoken unless BFG is scum and they watched me fight Des and decided to hibernate on D1.

Seee i  told you LUkrkers ares bad. I' reallly hsould go to slepp now. I'm hpapy woth thie resullts of toodya exocept fo r Hallllia shje's nice.

 

Goood shoooting therre AJ. I'M OUTtao heree.

[BFG]

Apologies for any errors - all unintentional but there were a lot of votes to try and sort through.

 

Edited to account for phase change flips.

 

All Votes:

 

 

 

 

Lenlo: Arsis, Csarmi, Des

 

Darthe: Tommy

 

Tommy: Krak, Des, Arsis

 

Des: Tommy, Hallia, Csarmi,Csarmi, Arsis, TG,Tommy, Des, Tommy, Csarmi (revote)

 

Hallia: Des

 

Darthe: AJ, Tommy, Tommy, Vos, Des, Thane

 

Arsis: Des (failed?), Dice, Tommy, Des, DT, TG

 

AJ: Arsis, Vos

 

Csarmi: Tommy, Des, Csarmi

 

Dice: Hallia

 

DT: DT

 

Lenlo: DT, Tommy, Arsis

 

Csarmi: Tommy

 

Hallia: Krak

 

Vos: Tommy, Arsis, Tommy, Krak, Tommy, AJ

 

Thane: Des

 

Lenlo: Tommy, Thane, TG, Tommy, Vos (failed?), Krak, Hallia, BFG, Des, AJ

 

Thane: Tommy

 

AJ: Tommy

 

Thane: Des, Vos

 

BFG: Darthe

 

Hallia: Kates

 

Krak: Tommy, Dice

 

 

Not voting: Lenlo

 

 

 

Looking at it this way it's interesting that the pressure on Des never really went away - or at least he had votes on him since that early spat with Tommy, same with Arsis had a vote on him pretty much throughout Day 1.

 

Tommy votes practically everyone: Darthe, Des, Csarmi, Darthe, Arsis, Des, Des, Csarmi, Lenlo, Vos, Darthe, Vos, Lenlo, Thane, Vos, AJ, Lenlo and Krak. Bolded are the votes that people follow him on, underlined is the start of Lenlo's final train.

 

Generally I find this protown. I can see why he's moving his votes and I think that the final set of votes will mean a lot with more flips and who follows whom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Several trains developed during the day, I'm calling a train one that reaches 3 votes at the same time.

 

'Joke Voting'

 

Lenlo (3): Arsis, Csarmi, Des

 

These all seemed to be 'joke' votes. Arsis because of the Doctor Who Survivor thing, Csarmi because of Miley Cyrus (sp?) and Des because Lenlo isn't great as town and because of the Survivor thing. Lenlo gets upset at Des's vote, but not the others, which looks good for Des. Also interesting is that Krak told Des 'to slow the roll' presumably around the votes, Des called him mafia for it but never followed it up.

 

At the same time we have

 

Darthe (1): Tommy - an Avengers vote

 

Tommy (1): Krak - an Avengers vote

 

 

 

Things get "serious"

 

Des (3): Tommy, Hallia, Csarmi

 

Other votes at the same time

 

Tommy (2): Krak, Des

Lenlo (1): Arsis

Darthe (1): AJ

Arsis (2): Des, Dice

AJ (2): Arsis, Vos

 

 

Which shifts to:

 

Csarmi (3): Tommy, Des, Csarmi - I really don't like this self vote, as I said it seemed calculated

 

AJ (2): Arsis, Vos

Des (1): Hallia

Darthe (1): AJ

Tommy (1): Krak

Arsis (1): Dice

 

 

Then we move to the first +3 wagon: Csarmi unvotes himself and votes Des

 

Des (5): Csarmi, Arsis, TG, Tommy, Des

 

AJ (1): Vos

Arsis (1): Dice

Darthe (1): AJ

Dice (1): Hallia

 

Normally I'd be worried that Des had 2 failed wagons, as I expect mafia to push through a townie wagon, but I suspect that because these developed so early in the Day that mafia wouldn't want to risk exposing themselves.

 

 

 

I missed DT's self vote from my list yesterday, but it's pretty clear it's a joke and he moves to Lenlo soon after.

 

Lenlo then gets another train:

 

Lenlo (3): DT, Tommy, Arsis

 

Arsis (2): Dice, Des

Des (2): Csarmi, TG

Dice (1): Hallia

Darthe (1): AJ

AJ (1): Vos

Hallia (1): Krak

 

 

 

 

Darthe's the next train that develops:

 

Darthe (4): AJ, Tommy, Vos, Des

 

 

Des (2): Csarmi, TG

Dice (1): Hallia

Vos (1): Arsis

Hallia (1): Krak

Arsis (2): Dice, DT

 

(Tommy unvotes and Thane votes)

Darthe (4): AJ, Vos, Des, Thane

 

Vos (1): Tommy

Des (2): Csarmi, TG

Dice (1): Hallia

Hallia (1): Krak

Arsis (2): Dice, DT

 

 

Lenlo's final train starts at this stage deadline's getting closer.

 

Lenlo (3): Tommy, Thane, TG

 

Darthe (3): AJ, Vos, Des - Darthe's train is dying

 

Des (1): Csarmi

Vos (1): Arsis - this is about to start

Dice (1): Hallia

Hallia (1): Krak

Arsis (2): Dice, DT

 

 

Vos's is the next train to start:

 

Vos (4): Arsis, Krak, Tommy, AJ - of these AJ's vote is most interesting as he moves from his top suspect to his second highest, given that this is a hybrid hammer and therefore it's not necessary it seems interesting - unfortunately not sure how to interpret it AJ is obviously Town

 

Darthe (2): Des, Vos

Lenlo (2): Thane, TG

Des (1): Csarmi

Dice (1): Hallia

Arsis (2): Dice, DT

 

 

And then we get the final train; Tommy jumps back to Lenlo and a load of people follow...

 

Lenlo (8): Thane, TG, Tommy, Vos (technically a failed vote), Krak, Hallia, BFG, Des, AJ

 

Des (1): Csarmi

Vos (1): Arsis

Arsis (1): DT

BFG (1): Darthe

Hallia (1): Kates

Krak (2): Tommy, Dice

 

Not Voting (1): Lenlo

 

 

 

 

General things of interest: there's generally a good spread of voting.

 

Ignoring joke voting attention shifts from Des - Csarmi - Des - Darthe - Lenlo - Vos - Lenlo. Technically Arsis as well, but votes on him are spread out and never developed momentum compared to the others. The Vos wagon is counter to both Lenlo and Darthe and thus more likely to be town. Tommy was clearly driving the voting at end of day.

 

However town generally voted as a block, people on both Darthe and Lenlo's wagons are pretty much clear Tommy, AJ, Thane, Vos, Des. Of interest is that Krak and Arsis were on Vos but not Darthe, Krak moved to Lenlo, Arsis to Vos.

 

I'm not liking Kates position with regards to Vos's 'failed' vote. Given that he's defending Key being wrong on mafia partly with Lenlo flipping goon, thus probably not worth sticking your neck out for... Lenlo flipped goon and wasn't playing, I'm pretty sure that most mafia teams would sacrifice him over someone else who was playing, so a push on Vos for this reason doesn't make sense.

 

So at the moment I'm looking at isoing Krak/Kates/Arsis/Csarmi due to wagons and voting.

[Yates]

Kates: Hallia flipped town. Thoughts?

At least she wasn't a Doc? Seriously, though, I wasn't thinking Deputy either. So in that regard, her claim to "know" Tommy is cop seemed sketch. Oh well. At least I had Hally right this game.

 

Hey Kates tell me again how Darthe's posts weren't alignment indicative and how they shouldn't matter because it was the start of the game

Probably has to do with Key being against lynching lurkers on Day 1 in general but I'll let her respond to that. He isn't even mentioned in our QT.

 

Here are the other people that were "wrong" about Len:

 

Csarmi

DT

Arsis

Tommy

Dice

Darthe

 

Do you disagree that at least one of these people is scum? Let's say you buy Tommy's claim - which is likely to be sorted tonight - that leaves 1 or 2 scum in 5 slots. These are the people you need to be talking to.

 

Any suggestions on who I should cop tonight?

Someone you find scummy off the wagon. Leave it at that.

 

As I read through... Darthe and BFG are feeling like good options for potential scum that refuse to post.

These beauties were brought to you by Yates. Yates - the person trying to steer conversation away from scum bussing on the Lenlo wagon.

 

/Yates

[BFG]

So BFG was WTL Len but never says why?

Because of the contradiction between his words and actions. There wasn't anything to say that others hadn't.

[Yates]

 

So BFG was WTL Len but never says why?

Because of the contradiction between his words and actions. There wasn't anything to say that others hadn't.

 

How is it that you happen to find yourself posting immediately after a flip? Is this your normal posting time?

[BFG]

 

 

So BFG was WTL Len but never says why?

Because of the contradiction between his words and actions. There wasn't anything to say that others hadn't.

 

How is it that you happen to find yourself posting immediately after a flip? Is this your normal posting time?

 

My schedule's a bit erratic, but it's 8.30pm here, I generally post between 6 and 12 in the evening, sometimes around 7am before work, depends on if I'm up or not.

[csarmi]

Sadly I'm still awake (have had serious issues with sleep lately ) and yeah after reviewing BFG's iso I'm comfortable putting a vote there. Extremely little thread presence even tho apparently she's been posting a bit here and there. Very little sign of her wanting to put in actual #work in her posts, which is very unlike town!BFG

 

[V]BFG[/v]

 

Also wtl Kates and TG. Salami on my backburner for now.

Umm what? I think she's been gone till Monday, then she posted every time she's normally available which was like... Twice since then? Where's the availability? Thread presence?

[Tommyrod]

BFG and Kates thunderdome seems like a good plan. Both are on the table for today. The more you post the better for everyone.

[Tommyrod]

And if you can find holes in each other's arguments, even better.

[csarmi]

@BFG - my selfvote sounds calculated because it WAS calculated. I wanted to make a serious stance there and I did. I explained what stance and why. Basically, that I won't be bullied.

[Yates]

Hey Kates tell me again how Darthe's posts weren't alignment indicative and how they shouldn't matter because it was the start of the game

Oh. I asked Key why she was against the Lenlo and Darthe lynches. This is what she said:

This is really frustrating. Most of the proposed lynches for the day were slankers. That always makes me uncomfortable because they're low accountably / low hanging fruit and people haven't interacted with them so there's little to no spew to be gained anyway...

[Tommyrod]

 

Hey Kates tell me again how Darthe's posts weren't alignment indicative and how they shouldn't matter because it was the start of the game

Oh. I asked Key why she was against the Lenlo and Darthe lynches. This is what she said:

This is really frustrating. Most of the proposed lynches for the day were slankers. That always makes me uncomfortable because they're low accountably / low hanging fruit and people haven't interacted with them so there's little to no spew to be gained anyway...

Lolwot? That's something I wrote.

[Yates]

BFG and Kates thunderdome seems like a good plan. Both are on the table for today. The more you post the better for everyone.

I reject your suggestion of a false dichotomy. BFG could be scum. But there isn't enough info to base a real read off of.

[Yates]

Lolwot? That's something I wrote.

Too cheeky or thoughtful response?

[csarmi]

 

 

So BFG was WTL Len but never says why?

Because of the contradiction between his words and actions. There wasn't anything to say that others hadn't.

How is it that you happen to find yourself posting immediately after a flip? Is this your normal posting time?

I can confirm that BFG's posting times are completely normal. From what I've learned from modding her, hydra'ing with her.

[Tommyrod]

You're saying Key thought I was scum?

[Tommyrod]

 

BFG and Kates thunderdome seems like a good plan. Both are on the table for today. The more you post the better for everyone.

I reject your suggestion of a false dichotomy. BFG could be scum. But there isn't enough info to base a real read off of.

Just like Darthe right?

[Andrej]

"Lenlo's final train starts at this stage deadline's getting closer.

Lenlo (3): Tommy, Thane, TG

Darthe (3): AJ, Vos, Des - Darthe's train is dying"

 

These 6 are super clear imo.

[Tommyrod]

That was from the same vote tally?

[csarmi]

Well there wasn't info on Darthe either... One of the reasons he was such a good shot - nothing to read on so...

[Andrej]

Darthe outed himself like instantly to me.

 

Hence my vote being parked there all D1