[Advanced] Avengers - Age of Ultron (GAME OVER!)

[Tommyrod]

 

It's not bad it just won't stop Galactus or Ultron.

Damnit this is a good point too. Dawn is not Galactus or Ultron and therefore is the lesser threat.

What makes you think she didn't recruit Galactus or Ultron? She wouldn't have known who they were.

I got this message yesterday:

 

Uatu the Watcher sends the following message to the Twins

 

"You are doing well, my miracle friends, but darker challenges are ahead. Keep your wisdom and honest hearts true. Evil may still have the upper hand. Do not let pride be the downfall of mankind."

 

Could just be Mynd messing with us but I still believe Galactus exists and is a big threat

[Yates]

...so let's vig Dawn, get a two for one kill, and not waste any more time discussing her.

I would feel more comfortable with this strategy if we knew for certain that we had a vig shot.

[Nolder]

 

It's not bad it just won't stop Galactus or Ultron.

Damnit this is a good point too. Dawn is not Galactus or Ultron and therefore is the lesser threat.

What makes you think she didn't recruit Galactus or Ultron? She wouldn't have known who they were.

 

If Tommy was unrecruitable I imagine frickin Galactus would be as well.

 

Yates those abs are to die for.

 

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

So we think Dawn can only recruit one? How did we get that intel? Dawn?

 

I'll vote Dawn all day.  Looks like we're going to deadline.  If we have a Vig shot:

 

Shoot Xthrax

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

 

Yeah it is likely a fake claim but IMO night actions can sort him out.

I agree. I also think killing two anti-heros with one lynch is the best scenario possible. We need to kill Dawn.

 

Disagree. Yes it's good numbers wise but it's a waste information wise. Rustling scum by wagoning them will always be more revealing than wagoning some scrub third party.

 

Look, I'm coming at it like this:

 

1. Dawn could be lying about her recruiting role - it could be unlimited

2. Dawn could have left out the part about how her faction gets a kill once they are at X number - say TWO...

3. We have so many investigative roles that "information" lynches have nerfed value in this game - especially if someone's alignment can be changed literally overnight

4. We HAVE to play the numbers game. Our number advantage is all that's keeping Dawn - THEORETICALLY - on our side. Once that number balance flips, she's pro-Scum.

5. We have to kill Dawn eventually. May as well be now.

 

 

This

[Tommyrod]

But AJ sticking on the front of the wagon is making me sick.

[Tommyrod]

Also: "If Tommy was unrecruitable I imagine frickin Galactus would be as well."

 

I wasn't told I was unrecruitable. I was told my alignment wouldn't change. I was told this D1. Given Dawn recruited during Dawn phase, I conclude any and all recruits were already finished by D1.

[Yates]

So we think Dawn can only recruit one? How did we get that intel? Dawn?

Yes.

 

DAWN claimed she only had one shot.

Dawn also claimed she can't kill and that her factions ability is only to lessen the number to lynch by 1 on a single person.

Dawn also claimed that she forgot to "spit" on someone last night but *did* recruit.

 

I'm cool with the lynch Dawn and shoot X [or BH or AJ or TG] idea, actually. I think it's the better play.

[Nolder]

Also: "If Tommy was unrecruitable I imagine frickin Galactus would be as well."

 

I wasn't told I was unrecruitable. I was told my alignment wouldn't change. I was told this D1. Given Dawn recruited during Dawn phase, I conclude any and all recruits were already finished by D1.

Fair enough.

 

Also @Mynd: Votecount?

 

 

Yates your eyes are so dreamy. I could lose myself in them.

[Yates]

But AJ sticking on the front of the wagon is making me sick.

This I agree with. I mean, it's possible AJ is Dawn's recruit and that by being number 1 on the wagon he prevents her lynch... In which case, lynching AJ and shooting from a select group is the better option. I have to think about this...

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

But AJ sticking on the front of the wagon is making me sick.

 

Doesn't matter.  Choose from the wine in front.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

So we think Dawn can only recruit one? How did we get that intel? Dawn?

Yes.

 

DAWN claimed she only had one shot.

Dawn also claimed she can't kill and that her factions ability is only to lessen the number to lynch by 1 on a single person.

Dawn also claimed that she forgot to "spit" on someone last night but *did* recruit.

 

I'm cool with the lynch Dawn and shoot X [or BH or AJ or TG] idea, actually. I think it's the better play.

 

 

You and I are on the same page.  I don't have the energy level to convince the masses.

[Yates]

I'll go as far to say that you might be pushing for this because you want more time for your scum team.

This is a salient point worth exploring tonight or tomorrow. For now all you supposedly know is that I served up anti-Town on a silver platter and that should buy me today at least, right? So let's focus on the stuff we know and deal with paranoia and speculation at a more appropriate time.

[RandA lThor]

@EVERYONE: Dawn is the person, dawn is the phase. please use this from now on

 

 

 

 

Yeah it is likely a fake claim but IMO night actions can sort him out.

I agree. I also think killing two anti-heros with one lynch is the best scenario possible. We need to kill Dawn.

 

Disagree. Yes it's good numbers wise but it's a waste information wise. Rustling scum by wagoning them will always be more revealing than wagoning some scrub third party.

 

Look, I'm coming at it like this:

1. Dawn could be lying about her recruiting role - it could be unlimited
2. Dawn could have left out the part about how her faction gets a kill once they are at X number - say TWO...
3. We have so many investigative roles that "information" lynches have nerfed value in this game - especially if someone's alignment can be changed literally overnight
4. We HAVE to play the numbers game. Our number advantage is all that's keeping Dawn - THEORETICALLY - on our side. Once that number balance flips, she's pro-Scum.
5. We have to kill Dawn eventually. May as well be now.

 

1. Unlimited recruiting role, but only in dawn?  Doubt Dawn made up the dawn phase modifier, seems like something that is a good role restriction for Mynd to put in to avoid alignment changes to already cleared people, but I doubt that Dawn has been in a game where that kind of modifier has been used.  Don't think that is something she would think of.  Also makes sense for a reason for Mynd to create a Dawn phase.

 

2. Does anyone else have 3 roles?  Because from what I've seen so far, 2 is kinda the game standard.  Its possible to have 3, but from what we know right now, unlikely.

 

3. That is also really stupid.  Investigative roles can be foiled, misdirected, and changed depending on mafia roles.  Having informative lynches on the other hand is never a bad thing.

 

4. There are almost assuredly 2 people on that team.  There is no way that they have anywhere close to a majority right now.  So once again, we hold off on their lynch until absolutely necessary, and it'd be even better if a vig kills them.

 

5. Nope.  See above.

 

 

 

It's not bad it just won't stop Galactus or Ultron.

Damnit this is a good point too. Dawn is not Galactus or Ultron and therefore is the lesser threat.

What makes you think she didn't recruit Galactus or Ultron? She wouldn't have known who they were.

I got this message yesterday:

Uatu the Watcher sends the following message to the Twins

"You are doing well, my miracle friends, but darker challenges are ahead. Keep your wisdom and honest hearts true. Evil may still have the upper hand. Do not let pride be the downfall of mankind."

Could just be Mynd messing with us but I still believe Galactus exists and is a big threat

 

I thought I remembered the message saying something specific about Galactus?

 

 

So we think Dawn can only recruit one? How did we get that intel? Dawn?

Yes.

DAWN claimed she only had one shot.
Dawn also claimed she can't kill and that her factions ability is only to lessen the number to lynch by 1 on a single person.
Dawn also claimed that she forgot to "spit" on someone last night but *did* recruit.

I'm cool with the lynch Dawn and shoot X [or BH or AJ or TG] idea, actually. I think it's the better play.

 

Spit was at night, recruit was at dawn, two different phases.

 

 

 

I'll go as far to say that you might be pushing for this because you want more time for your scum team.

This is a salient point worth exploring tonight or tomorrow. For now all you supposedly know is that I served up anti-Town on a silver platter and that should buy me today at least, right? So let's focus on the stuff we know and deal with paranoia and speculation at a more appropriate time.

 

I agree which is why I'm not voting you right now, I'm trying to figure out whats happening with the 2/5 situation.  Xthrax was looking good for a lynch, but he claimed.  However, though I have argued that his gs role is possible, Phil Coulson kinda does sound like a fake claim when we have bad asses all over the place.  Could easily be a false claim.  He may be the best lynch, but right now, waiting for Tom's response to my idea on what Vos should do to better clear him in some sort of way.

[RandA lThor]

@Nolder, do you take requests?

[RandA lThor]

Lol its fun to see someone else with the annoying PR.

[Tyler Glembo]

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE???

[Arsis]

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE???

 

I was seriously abused as a child so it's had an effect on my emotional stability as an adult.

 

 

What's wrong with you?

[Tyler Glembo]

We have a confirmed non-town role and you all want to tinfoil and lynch elsewhere?  Every single person who is suggesting we lynch elsewhere because we *might* maybe hit a bigger scum target needs to be vigged, vigged again, and vigged in all future games until they learn their lesson that you lynch CONFIRMED scum.

 

[Tyler Glembo]

 

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE???

 

I was seriously abused as a child so it's had an effect on my emotional stability as an adult.

 

 

What's wrong with you?

 

 

I have an overdeveloped ego and a severely overdeveloped sense of how humble I am.

[Tyler Glembo]

@Nolder, do you take requests?

 

I seriously want Nolder to become the top poster in this game.

[RandA lThor]

We have a confirmed non-town role and you all want to tinfoil and lynch elsewhere?  Every single person who is suggesting we lynch elsewhere because we *might* maybe hit a bigger scum target needs to be vigged, vigged again, and vigged in all future games until they learn their lesson that you lynch CONFIRMED scum.

 

Shh TG, just take the blue pill and it'll all be over.

 

We are not lynching helpless scum that we can knock off at a moment's convenience when we have so much else to work with.  Literally Dawn is not a threat to anyone right now.

[RandA lThor]

 

@Nolder, do you take requests?

 

I seriously want Nolder to become the top poster in this game.

 

lol me too.

[Yates]

1. Unlimited recruiting role, but only in dawn?  Doubt Dawn made up the dawn phase modifier, seems like something that is a good role restriction for Mynd to put in to avoid alignment changes to already cleared people, but I doubt that Dawn has been in a game where that kind of modifier has been used.  Don't think that is something she would think of.  Also makes sense for a reason for Mynd to create a Dawn phase.

I'm not going to assume Dawn is being 100% honest. If I were an outted recruiter I'd claim my ability is 1X. The time of day has nothing to do with it. She could be telling the truth about EVERYTHING [time of day included] in her PM except for the number of recruits. This is my point.

 

2. Does anyone else have 3 roles?

Again, I'm not assuming Dawn is being 100% honest. Maybe she was being truthful when she claimed she could only recruit once but she's NOT being truthful about the venom part or what the venom does. I'm just throwing that out there as something you have to consider - or at least something that *I* am considering.

 

3. That is also really stupid.  Investigative roles can be foiled, misdirected, and changed depending on mafia roles.  Having informative lynches on the other hand is never a bad thing.

Who said anything about information being a bad thing? ALL information is good - even redirected roles since that helps inform the player base of potential scum roles we are working with. My point is that the "information lynch" is limited in value when you have known RELIABLE information at your disposal that you could be using instead.

 

4. There are almost assuredly 2 people on that team.  There is no way that they have anywhere close to a majority right now.  So once again, we hold off on their lynch until absolutely necessary, and it'd be even better if a vig kills them.

What's the difference between lynching Dawn and vigging X vs lynching X and vigging Dawn? Also, why are you assuming we have a vig shot?

 

Spit was at night, recruit was at dawn, two different phases.

Yeah? And? My point was that she claimed she wasn't around for the night phase and thus we can't verify her claimed night action. This leaves open all the speculation I have noted above since it isn't vettable today. BUT she claims she *was* around for the "Dawn phase" and that she recruited during that time period but - even though she claims to want to help the Town - she is unwilling to tell us who her new partner is. So, again, she is unvettable.

 

Really, the only thing that gives me pause is the whole AJ being ant-Town thing. With AJ being first on the wagon I have to consider the possibility that he NEEDS to be first on the Dawn wagon in order to prevent her lynch. So that has me thinking maybe AJ is the better lynch choice, now, and that we can vig from a pool tonight. The reason I say vig from a pool is specifically because of the potential for blocking and redirection that you claim makes our investigative powers so weak. If you are going to rely on the vig to shoot Dawn, I'm imagining a redirection onto a lock-clear so SCUM get 2 for 1 instead of Town.

[keyholder21]

I seriously don't know where to vote. Like nolder said, cult could end up being massive problem if she lied about her recruitment capabilities and I get twitchy considering not lynching a guilty cop view. But she's not Galactus. Or Ultron. Unless she could turn into Galactus if she recruits enough? But idk if that would make sense.