[Basic]TRON Mafia Game-Day 4

[Tyler Glembo]

TG, Tommy also said my case had some legit points as well.  How can it be as bad as you claim yet you still think Tommy is town then?

 

You bring up a salient point.  You're right, maybe I should be nervous about Tommy.  If only somewhere on this very page, like 8 posts above here, I had called Tommy out for it and said he pinged then we could have avoided you asking this very question. /sarcasm

[RandA lThor]

A whole bunch of quotes and stuff, warning: large

 

 

 

 

Tommy's case on me, refutes

 

 

PLEASE STOP QUOTING THOSE HUGS WOTS. I CAN'T READ THEM ON MY PHONE. Spoiler them at least.

 

 

My reply to TGlems post:

 

 

 

 

For as long as I've played on DM I've never heard this so called rule. 

 

I've seen it mentioned multiple times as an unwritten type of thing.  I'm sure somebody else can attest.

 

Gonna start this all with a contradiction: I agree - but I still think your eagerness is pinging. Doesn't really make sense, but eh, thats what I feel.

 

Vos is #LOCKTOWN.  I'm pushing it because I know I'm town and I don't trust anyone else to push it.  They might have an agenda.  Any decent townie should be suspicious of another player getting out in front while at the same time understanding the want to push scumhunting.

 

Well at least I can begin the exception to the rule.  A vote on someone because of one scummy post is a scummy vote, especially when you specifically said earlier that you've barely played with me and need to get to know my playstyle, is a scummy vote.  Largest scum read is now Vos.

 

Rand, what would your reaction have been if Vos found you to be incredibly scummy but didn't vote you?  I find your defense to be a narrative in which Vos can't win nomatter what he does.

 

But that wasn't my only point.  My main point which no one seems to be responding to here is that you voted me based off one post.  The things I've said after that are not related to your vote in the first place.  The fact that you voted me based off one post that you thought was scummy but was obviously meant to be a joke is in itself scummy.

 

And was my reaction to one vote large? Yes, but thats because I'm not only defending myself, but I'm also fosing Vos at the same time.  Thats why it looks bigger than it actually is.

 

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FOSes or putting someone on a scum list are characteristic of a scummy post.  But posting that you're going to sit in a corner with a gif shouldn't warrant a vote.  Thats the difference between mafia-like posts, which can vary on perspective, and posts that are intended to change game flow.

 

And what you just said is directly related to meta.  There are some playstyles that some people find scummy when they play with them.  I for example found Mynd's beat the grass technique scummy the first time I played him.  To me, it was him, acting like mafia.  But that's just how he played.  That has so much to do with meta.

 

I disagree completely on what you refer to as a "scummy post."  And the argument you are applying about yourself applies to Vos also.  Maybe it is Vos' playstyle to always vote "popcorn" posts nomatter what.  Either way, like I said above, it reads as narrative.

 

If Vos had just FoSed me, I would have just rolled with it.  In my experience though, maf try to get one of the earlier serious votes, because those can sometimes pile on fast if no one else has good reads.  The fact that Vos used a single post to vote me makes me thing that he is trying the above.

 

Also the scummy post argument and the vote are separate arguments.  The only reason I see for someone to vote someone based off a post is a "beat the grass, startle the snakes" technique like what Mynd uses, and from what I've seen from Vos so far, he doesn't seem like that kind of player.  To make myself more clear I have two main arguments.

 

1. The opinion of a post always being scummy is an opinion that is based on a point of view.  This opinion can easily be changed if you play with a different person.

 

2. Voting someone based on a single post, which wasn't a blatant scum slip, seems to me like scum trying to get the bw rolling.

 

 

 

 

My reply to Clov's post:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rand -

 

 

Been thinking about Rand's rage vote on me, apparently using a situation from another game as a reason. 

 

At first, I chose not to respond to it and fight the urge to OMGUS vote.

 

Then, I ate an orange.  Tasted good, but then my hands were sticky.  And not stick in the fun way.

 

Washed my hands.  Dried them.   Thought about the good ole days. 

 

But then that nagging suspicion crept back into my noggin. 

 

Why would Rand need to go to such lengths to justify his vote in this game?  Sure, day 1 randomness is random but.....he placed his vote on a player he felt no one would question his motives on.  Why....that would require a preset guilty conscience BEFORE he posted. 

 

So.....@Rand.  Why the need to OVER justify your reason for voting me? 

For people who weren't in the game, its a slight pet peeve when people vote someone like that without explanation, I wasn't in the game so I hound them on it, and then I get called out for it.

 

 

Which game are you talking about?

In this case, I'm talking about games in general, basically making references to games which not all players were in, but not saying that its a reference.  But the game that I specifically made a reference to was Hoof's game.

 

 

Then I really have no idea what you're trying to say. 

 

Basically I don't like it when people vote someone because of a past game and don't say it was supposed to be because of a past game.  Because later I case them on it, and they said oh it was a reference stop being so serious, and then I get FoSed because of that.  It happened to me, don't remember if it was here or in EpicMafia.

 

 

 

Why so anxious for a lynch, TG?

 

TG, you are rapidly switching between serious and goofy and I ding understand the transitions. What's up? You on crack?

 

Another game with 100 pages of D1 spam posts will be soul destroying for me, so I'd rather get this game kick started and at least push some gameplay. 

 

 

Gonna start this all with a contradiction: I agree - but I still think your eagerness is pinging. Doesn't really make sense, but eh, thats what I feel. 

 

 

I'm gonna sit in my corner and observe.

 

 

best tr is actually Mynd right now, so [unvote]

 

Without fail, EVERY time someone has made a point out of "sitting back watching" D1 they've flipped scum. 

 

I like Clov already.

 

Me too. 

 

Beside that I don't see alot to comment on. Not a big fan of Drunk coming off with a random list, including himself in the top three and then going all "I don't need your pity" when given a free pass D1. 

 

Don't like how Csarmi/BFG dropped off the radar either, after I mentioned them overplaying it. Where'y'at? 

 

Top 3 for town: Tommy, Mynd, Clov

Top 3 for scum: Drunk, BFCsarmi, Rand

 

[v]Rand[/v]

 

Well at least I can begin the exception to the rule.  A vote on someone because of one scummy post is a scummy vote, especially when you specifically said earlier that you've barely played with me and need to get to know my playstyle, is a scummy vote.  Largest scum read is now Vos.

 

 

 

 

I c wut u did thar.

 

 

 

And it was a vote based off of the types of posts mafia make.  If I, as town, make posts that seem like mafia (important: there is a difference between posts that seem like mafia and posts made to advance the goal of mafia), then that is part of my meta that you don't know already.

 

 

Well, yeah, sure... but come on here. You said something I read as überscummy. Trying to half-vague meta-defend yourself with "Well, but you don't know if I say superscummy things as town!" just won't float. 

 

Secondly, you are flailing hard at a single vote at page 12. Makes me feel real good about where I placed my vote. 

 

But that wasn't my only point.  My main point which no one seems to be responding to here is that you voted me based off one post.  The things I've said after that are not related to your vote in the first place.  The fact that you voted me based off one post that you thought was scummy but was obviously meant to be a joke is in itself scummy.

 

And was my reaction to one vote large? Yes, but thats because I'm not only defending myself, but I'm also fosing Vos at the same time.  Thats why it looks bigger than it actually is.

 

 

 

 

 

Well at least I can begin the exception to the rule.  A vote on someone because of one scummy post is a scummy vote, especially when you specifically said earlier that you've barely played with me and need to get to know my playstyle, is a scummy vote.  Largest scum read is now Vos.

 

 

Pfft, that's just an OMGUSFOS and your argument is a kinder-garden-argument. "Everyone who says someone is stupid is stupid". 

 

And the fact that I don't know your meta has nothing to do with it, it wasn't a meta vote.

 

Lol that wasn't at all the argument that you said it was.

 

I said that voting someone based off one singular scummy post (unless its a slip of course) is trying to draw reads out of way too little info.

 

And it was a vote based off of the types of posts mafia make.  If I, as town, make posts that seem like mafia (important: there is a difference between posts that seem like mafia and posts made to advance the goal of mafia), then that is part of my meta that you don't know already.

 

 

I believe the bolded is (essentially) trying to draw a distinction between "being scummy" and actually being scum.  You're absolutely right that there is a difference.  I don't see how that distinction is relevant to his vote though.  It's almost like you're conceding that the post he voted you for WAS a mafia-ish post but you're upset that he's voting you for it.  If he's town, isn't that EXACTLY what he ought to be doing at this point?

 

I'm also not sure how it relates to your meta.  If you're acting like mafia, you're acting like mafia.

 

FOSes or putting someone on a scum list are characteristic of a scummy post.  But posting that you're going to sit in a corner with a gif shouldn't warrant a vote.  Thats the difference between mafia-like posts, which can vary on perspective, and posts that are intended to change game flow.

 

And what you just said is directly related to meta.  There are some playstyles that some people find scummy when they play with them.  I for example found Mynd's beat the grass technique scummy the first time I played him.  To me, it was him, acting like mafia.  But that's just how he played.  That has so much to do with meta.

 

 

But that's precisely what I mean - if you find a certain playing/posting style scummy, the town thing to do is push attention in that direction.  Therefore, you SHOULD be voting and pushing the people playing to that style. In this case, obviously Vos thinks people who make posts like yours are likely to be scum...regardless of how YOU play, I don't see why he wouldn't be inclined to push you at this stage.

 

 

 

Top 3 town that doesn't include yourself?

What would have been said had I NOT included myself??

 

 

"Hey look, this guy doesn't need to specifically state he's town to convince us"?

 

I agree to a point.  Once again, its the vote that made me think Vos was scummy.  If I had even 2 or more posts that were somewhat scummy, then it would make sense.  However, Vos went from pretty much no read on me at all, and then because of 1 post, I was her top scum read.

 

Once again, scum try to find a scummy thing a town did to latch onto, and start a bw on it.  This works on d1 a lot, and is more often than not how d1 gets started.  A player posts something slightly scummy, someone reacts to it, player defends, one of the two who either reacted or defended is seen as scummy by the town, town slowly starts piling votes, and eventually when deadline looms and there is little info due to d1, town lynches that person.  Its in scums interest to get right in the middle of this process and control it.

 

 

 

Also, on the whole DrunkTank situation right now, I'm placing a townread on him, because scum don't usually place themselves in their townreads list.  It draws unneeded attention to them, and they know that it most likely won't convince anyone they're town.  Its kind of a lazy town move I'd say.

 

That being said, his insistence on focusing on his situation is a little weird, but I do understand his point about lurkers.  The situation with me and others however, still should attract a comment or an opinion though.

 

It's the opposite of what you said. I rarely see townies list themselves in their townlist. Your logic for calling him a town reads like writing him off rather than trying to discern his alignment. This is the second time you've defended Drunk with dubious logic.

 

TMI garnished with a fencesit. A fine dessert. For a wolf! [Do I sound like Mynd?]

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Rand[/v]

We can argue this both ways.  I can still argue that scum wouldn't do it since it would draw unneeded attention like the kind its drawing right now.  Both points are valid.  And I'm not blindly defending him, I am qualitatively observing him.  Literally right under I make a point about why I think he's scummy as well.

 

Also, just because I point out both sides of DT, townie and scummy, doesn't mean I'm fencesitting.  I am honestly unsure about him at this point.  However, on other people, I have made my position extremely clear, i.e. not fencesitting.

 

 

 

 

 

[Lenlo]

 

Then this....which gets NO explanation.

Lenlo, I need your help.

Now, less than 15 minutes later, Lenlo replies.  Its almost as if he knew Lenlo was online.  Kinda like they were working together in some other form of communication....like say a Mafia QT perhaps?  What did TG need help with?  A mildly funny gif....one that I believe was hastily used in a desperate attempt to explain why he really needed Lenlo.....to read the mafia QT.

 

Yes Mynd he knew I was online because literally a minute before this post, I posted.

 

 

 

Clov, should I take it you're replacing Kronos?

 

Nobody can ever replace Kronos, I'm just trying to play a game here.

 

(Yes)

 

This is a good answer.

 

 

 

Lenlo, I need your help.

See the timestamps on those? This weak offense/main quote ruins the whole post imo as the rest of the post is building off of this.

 

 

 

You never actually said any problems with it other  than "UM WRONG!!!!"   That proves nothing.  That is like a scum saying "I'm the miller, I swear!!!"   I'm wrong because you say I am wrong.  What are you gonna do, tell me I am RIGHT about pointing out such a connection?  I don't like your reaction.  TG's is worse, but both of you are making a lot out of my casing than you should have.  Hence: snakes are rattled.

 

 

I did actually post my problems with it, you just ignored them. Let me repost them just for you though.

 

First your case relies on the fact that TG knew I was online/wanted me online/was setting up some kind of interaction for some ulterior motive. Well for one its obvious I was online because I posted before him, so everyone knew I was around. Then there's the multigame/multithread/signup lolz me and TG have been having ever since he SKed my while I was silenced in the Hoof game, so theres the precedent for those jokes. Then theres the question of what exactly that interaction, setup or not, could possibly be for. What could a joke like that be used for Mynd? Explain please.

 

Then theres you saying we posted our responses to your case in tandem, like we were working together. Yet you didnt stop for a second to think that perhaps, just maybe, our cases were posted so closely together because we were responding to your case the moment your case came out? As I said before its not like there was a days wait between you posting your case and then TG and I posting our responses. It was literally the same hour, same half hour, as your case when our responses came through along with everyone else's who was online at the time. So there goes that point out the window.

 

Finally your calling us scummy because we are contesting your case to much? Thats because your case is crap and everytime we prove such you move the goal posts to something else and then say we arnt answering anything or that we are over dramatizing it or over reacting. Thats crap, and if anyone is using scum tactics here its you. Your not responding to any points thrown against you your ducking, weaving and rolling all around as if you thought that if you could dodge our responses you could dodge a ball.

 

[RandA lThor]

 

 

Mynd's case on TG, examination of each point, my points are in blue

 

 

 

 

 

 

It has been my experience that most mafia joke-vote each other on D1 as an early distancing technique.  Looks a lot like this post below....

 

 

 

I refuse to sign anything until my lawyer has looked over it.

 

 

Lenlo needs to be silenced and vigged ASAP.

 

Hastur Hastur Hastur.

 

Bring it.

 

[v]TG[/v] Preemptive Strike!

 

 

 

TG's response here....playful non-threatening banter.

 

 

 

I refuse to sign anything until my lawyer has looked over it.

 

 

Lenlo needs to be silenced and vigged ASAP.

 

Hastur Hastur Hastur.

 

Bring it.

 

[v]TG[/v] Preemptive Strike!

 

Official Day Action*

 

*****

Pimp Slap Lenlo

*****

 

Lenlo, you've been silenced and your powers are now mine to do with as I please. 

 

Carry on.

 

 

 

 

For both of the above, I feel that its only banter from previous conversations outside of the game.  The pimp slap, silencing and so on are all outside references, and fairly innocuous.

 

 

Then, "Real Talk" TG immediately switches to an INACTIVE player?  Kronos will later opt-out, but I find this move very questionable this early in the game.  It's almost as if he knew Kronos was not active on....say.....a mafia QT as well? Either way, too early to go after an inactive and very scummy to do so.

 

 

Real Talk: [v]Kronos[/v]

 

I'm reading between the lines of his 0 posts so far and I've come to two conclusions.  He's totes mcgotes scum.  And I'm pretty awesome at mafia. 

 

 

 

Little too much extrapolation here in an obvious joke.  The 0 posts comment, totes mcgotes, and him saying he's awesome at mafia are all obvious jokes.

 

More lighthearted banter between two players where Lenlo is still voting TG.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rand would say yes nomatter what. Lol

So TG, am I gonna die tonight? 

 

 

So Len-bro, am I gonna die with you tonight?

 

 

 

 

 

Again, nothing bad in here, they were talking previously and were pretty much continuing.

 

And now the appeal to Tommy pointing out someone elses early jokiness other than his own.

 

 

Tommy, you town?  What do you think of Vos early jokiness?

 

 

 

Here's where the good parts start.  Tommy, you town  appeals to Tommy as TG subtly implies himself as more clearly town than Tommy.  Secondly, I do agree that its weird he commented on Vos' early jokiness, when he was joking the entire time before.

 

Appeal to Mynd.  Is this guy running for congress?

 

 

BTW Mynd, love your new dream faker siggy.  Epic awesome.

 

 

 

Extrapolation too far again.  Cuz I was laughing a lot when I saw that siggy.

 

Vote TG for Towniest Townie in 2014!!!  Seriously, more arse smoochin!

 

 

 

 

Tommy, you town?  What do you think of Vos early jokiness?

Yeah. He seems relaxed and I haven't noticed anything different than what I've seen from him in my sample size of ~2 games, so I'd guess he's town.

 

 

I like your consistency.

 

 

 

 

lol wut?  I agree with Mynd on this one, but I don't see any consistency here that is large enough to comment on.  And what consistency are you talking about?  Consistency in this game?  Obviously barely anything has changed and he's the same side and role.  Consistency with previous games?  This was a 1 sentence simple answer.

 

 

Darthe seems to be a heat magnet in most games, which makes him an easy target and scapegoat.  Darthe has barely posted this game and yet that seems to be enough for TG to consider him among the top 3 wolfiest players in the game?  And what happened to Kronos?

 

(heh.  The only GOAT Darthe seems to get is being a scapeGOAT! Hahahaha, I kill me!)

 

 

 

Drunk, Rand, the funny characters guy. Those are the three I would smite with my sword.

 

Nynlia, Darthe, and Drunk (but not) are the three howlers right now IMO (maybe Vos thrown in at a slightly lesser level).  I wouldn't lynch Drunk because it's an unwritten common courtesy law that we never D1 lynch people who are playing their first game here on DM. 

 

Top townies are Len, Tommy, BFArm. 

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

 

 

 

Don't get the Darthe vote either, but again Mynd, pretty sure he was joking about Kronos.

 

Our Goodwill Ambassador of DM Mafia is not going to lynch Drunk Tank for any reason on D1.  Isn't that sweet?

 

 

 

Don't take it easy on me. I'm no baby.

 

I don't plan on taking it easy on you by any means, that said, I personally won't lynch you D1.  I'd rather give you at least that much time to get used to the culture differences in DM mafia play compared to other places. 

 

Top 3 town/scum reads so far?

 

If he meant that, then that would be more scummy.  However, I think he was just trying to be nice to DT here.

 

 

 

 

 

[RandA lThor]

 

 

Then this....which gets NO explanation.

Lenlo, I need your help.

Now, less than 15 minutes later, Lenlo replies.  Its almost as if he knew Lenlo was online.  Kinda like they were working together in some other form of communication....like say a Mafia QT perhaps?  What did TG need help with?  A mildly funny gif....one that I believe was hastily used in a desperate attempt to explain why he really needed Lenlo.....to read the mafia QT.

 

No dude, no one plans out a gif on a mafia QT this much.

 

TG has waded in the spam with us for a lot longer in other games.  Why the sudden haste? Why the flip-floppy behavior? Guilty conscience?  And how is he really pushing any gameplay at this point?  Voting an inactive?  Kissing everyone's arses?

 

 

 

Why so anxious for a lynch, TG?

 

TG, you are rapidly switching between serious and goofy and I ding understand the transitions. What's up? You on crack?

 

Another game with 100 pages of D1 spam posts will be soul destroying for me, so I'd rather get this game kick started and at least push some gameplay. 

 

 

 

 

First of all, you were a fairly large part of that.  Secondly, this game had already started to become fairly interesting if I recall correctly.  Thirdly, it almost never showed signs of becoming nearly that big.  So agree with Mynd here.

 

Scum Playbook:  When called out for a guilty conscience, downplay its signifigence with a funny gif.  Make sure to choose one among the most popular, like an Archer or Anchor Man one.  I'm surprised this one doesn't play Danger Zone when you click on it. 

 

See below:

 

 

 

...and now the guilty conscience explanation. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once again, you were a part of that, and you weren't some leading force that was trying to take people away from the spam.  This is probably an attempt to make you look better than you actually are.

 

TG gives Nyn the finger and calls her out for giving him a weak FOS.  For everyone's convienence, I colored and bolded the part where Nyn gives TGlems an FOS in her quoted quote. 

 

 

 

Not a fan of TG deciding that TD deserves some kind of free pass today. I don't care if someone is new. Not even sure why he brought it up.... unless he finds him suspicious? Because if he doesn't, then why even mention him?

 

For as long as I've played on DM new players are pushed D1, coached D1, engaged D1, but not lynched D1.  Your weak wanna-be FOS is a weak wanna-be FOS.

 

Did you see it?  No? EXACTLY!

 

 

 

Lol found this pretty funny and interesting.  This is probably one of the larger scumtells, being fairly defensive over almost nothing.

 

And now, a warning to all of us lowly hethens who DARE consider TGlems as scum because they might have an agenda.  Vos is naturally #CHAINLOCKTOWNwithPADLOCK while we should be suspicious of players other than TG if we wanna be decent townies.  Read the following and try not to facepalm too much.

 

 

 

For as long as I've played on DM I've never heard this so called rule. 

 

I've seen it mentioned multiple times as an unwritten type of thing.  I'm sure somebody else can attest.

 

Gonna start this all with a contradiction: I agree - but I still think your eagerness is pinging. Doesn't really make sense, but eh, thats what I feel.

 

Vos is #LOCKTOWN.  I'm pushing it because I know I'm town and I don't trust anyone else to push it.  They might have an agenda.  Any decent townie should be suspicious of another player getting out in front while at the same time understanding the want to push scumhunting.

 

Well at least I can begin the exception to the rule.    A vote on someone because of one scummy post is a scummy vote, especially when you specifically said earlier that you've barely played with me and need to get to know my playstyle, is a scummy vote.  Largest scum read is now Vos.

 

Rand, what would your reaction have been if Vos found you to be incredibly scummy but didn't vote you?  I find your defense to be a narrative in which Vos can't win nomatter what he does.

 

But that wasn't my only point.  My main point which no one seems to be responding to here is that you voted me based off one post.  The things I've said after that are not related to your vote in the first place.  The fact that you voted me based off one post that you thought was scummy but was obviously meant to be a joke is in itself scummy.

 

And was my reaction to one vote large? Yes, but thats because I'm not only defending myself, but I'm also fosing Vos at the same time.  Thats why it looks bigger than it actually is.

 

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FOSes or putting someone on a scum list are characteristic of a scummy post.  But posting that you're going to sit in a corner with a gif shouldn't warrant a vote.  Thats the difference between mafia-like posts, which can vary on perspective, and posts that are intended to change game flow.

 

And what you just said is directly related to meta.  There are some playstyles that some people find scummy when they play with them.  I for example found Mynd's beat the grass technique scummy the first time I played him.  To me, it was him, acting like mafia.  But that's just how he played.  That has so much to do with meta.

 

I disagree completely on what you refer to as a "scummy post."  And the argument you are applying about yourself applies to Vos also.  Maybe it is Vos' playstyle to always vote "popcorn" posts nomatter what.  Either way, like I said above, it reads as narrative.

 

 

 

 

Yeah the way this was phrased was a little weird.  Again going back to the I'm more clear town than you guys, I should be making the reads kind of mentality.  Don't like it.  Coincidentally though, this makes me doubt a lot that you and Vos would be on a team together.

 

TG earlier states that he isn't going to vote Drunk Tank because he's new to DM.  Yet he fires off at Rand for calling out Vos for voting him and not knowing his game play.  Don't forget, he just finished warning us all that if we want to be decent townies, we need to be suspicious.

Then a defense of Vos which doesn't even begin to consider that Vos is Scummy McVosScum. 

 

Yeah, TG......I have an agenda in this game.  It's getting rid of all the scum. 

 

I figure I'd start with you.

 

So essentially, I refuted a lot of what Mynd said, but even without that, this is still a pretty strong case on TG.  Comment on reaction of TG later.

 

 

 

 

 

[RandA lThor]

Lenlo's case on me and his list of town and scum

 

 

 

 

 

So I had a serious feel that BFG and CS were up to something. Then I remembered they were a Hydra.

 

We get some jokes for the first few pages, as is par for the course. This is the first post to stick out to me though.

[v]Mynd[/v]
 
Screw you Mynd.  Screw you. :P
 
K in all seriousness, I'm not going to be one of those guys who votes someone because of a grudge last game, so [unvote]
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Yeah... no I am going to be one of those guys. [v]Mynd[/v] :D

Joke vote Mynd. Alright. Unvote Mynd for a poor reason and then revote Mynd again saying screw that reason for unvoting him its stupid. This doesnt sit right with me, it could be subtle reinforcement of the vote or it could be trying to overplay a joke vote on someone early on. Either way it makes me suspicous of Rand atm.
 

Drunk's post was the scummiest thing in this thread so far. It feels completely out of the otherwise jovial flow of this thread. You know how DM games usually start with fun and banter and then slowly become serious? It felt like Drunk couldn't get his footing in that environment, and I think it's because he's scum.

I want to give Drunk atleast D1 to get into the flow of things on DM, the differences and all that, before we start raking him over the coals for not going with the usual flow. Small game remember so we arnt allowed as many mistakes as the big ones.
 

Lenlo needs to be silenced and vigged ASAP.

I h8 u.

So now we have some NotBob posts that leave me feeling... abit worried over him honestly

Game on.  Vote Rand
 
Scummy, opportunistic trying to hard to avoid conflict.

 

 

 

I didn't like Vos myself. Soemthing about the way he's been joking

 
Pfft, you're just making wishy-washy negative statements on me because I'm onto you. 
 
Csarmi/BFG is totally overplaying fake scumhunting, prodding and cheerfulness-joking around in-thread. 
 
!!!!!!!111
 
Tommy, Darthe, Mynd is looking town. 
 
Bit more unsure of Nyn/Hally
 
BGCsarmi on top (or bottom, depending on how you see it)
 
Xthrax is looking überscummy. Not ready to commit yet though.

 

 
FOS.
 
Fear of commitment.

 

The first one agree's with my current view on Rand, but the second one feels like an attempt to paint someone red, get them with a quick stab. Could be a joke of course but at this point in the game I am not going to assume anything. If he is scum then that makes the vote on Rand some safe distancing this early in the game.
 

 

I didn't like Vos myself. Soemthing about the way he's been joking

 
Pfft, you're just making wishy-washy negative statements on me because I'm onto you. 
 
Csarmi/BFG is totally overplaying fake scumhunting, prodding and cheerfulness-joking around in-thread. 
 
!!!!!!!111
 
Tommy, Darthe, Mynd is looking town. 
 
Bit more unsure of Nyn/Hally
 
BGCsarmi on top (or bottom, depending on how you see it)
 
Xthrax is looking überscummy. Not ready to commit yet though.

 

Can you explain these abit more Vos?

So now we get some jokey jokey from TG and Tommy, Mynd comes in with his orange juice covered fingers and takes a look at Rands post. Its critical and it asks questions. Like it. I also like how tommy follows it up with questions about why rand was defending Drunk like he was. It was something I didnt think of, the possibility of Rand knowing more than he should in regards to Drunk.

Rand comes in and kinda sidesteps all the questions thrown at him and then goes back to more jokey. Dont like it.
 

 

Drunk, Rand, the funny characters guy. Those are the three I would smite with my sword.

 
Nynlia, Darthe, and Drunk (but not) are the three howlers right now IMO (maybe Vos thrown in at a slightly lesser level).  I wouldn't lynch Drunk because it's an unwritten common courtesy law that we never D1 lynch people who are playing their first game here on DM. 
 
Top townies are Len, Tommy, BFArm. 
 
[v]Darthe[/v]

 

Can you explain the reasoning behind these TG? Also explain why you have a town read on me? Cause I have no gameplay up to this point, nothing for you to reasonably be able to call me town imo, and that pings. So yes plox explain.

Rand still not seriously responding on pg 10. WBK replaces out. Wimp. >.> Clov! Wimp. >.>

Not a fan of TGs current def, but hes right. New people generally arnt lynched D1 from what ive seen. Its really weird.

Mynd. F u and these big quotes.

 

Darthe seems to have not committed to the game just yet.
 
On the other hand Lenlo interacts with several different posts/players with only fluffy comments. I see more potential here. 
 
[v]Lenlo[/v]

Good post.  Too bad that is kinda how Lenlo is when he is town as well, which makes him harder to read than one would think.  No worries, he'll likely get lynched/frozen/ killed/jailed/silenced by D3 anyway.

 

I do my best to be an amorphous blob of unknowable mystery. Just dont shine a light in my corner, it burns.
 

Then this....which gets NO explanation.

Lenlo, I need your help.

Now, less than 15 minutes later, Lenlo replies.  Its almost as if he knew Lenlo was online.  Kinda like they were working together in some other form of communication....like say a Mafia QT perhaps?  What did TG need help with?  A mildly funny gif....one that I believe was hastily used in a desperate attempt to explain why he really needed Lenlo.....to read the mafia QT.

 

Yes Mynd he knew I was online because literally a minute before this post, I posted.

 

 

 

Clov, should I take it you're replacing Kronos?

 
Nobody can ever replace Kronos, I'm just trying to play a game here.
 
(Yes)

 

This is a good answer.

 

 
 

Lenlo, I need your help.

See the timestamps on those? This weak offense/main quote ruins the whole post imo as the rest of the post is building off of this.

Tl;Dr [v]Rand[/v]

 

Towny
Mynd
Tommy

Null
Darthe
Drunk Tank
BFArmi(BFG and Csarmi)
Vos
Clov
Nynlia

Scummy
Notbob
TG

Scum
Rand

 

 

I need to stop not keeping up with games and then catching up in one big post. It ruins my frivolity.

K he basically mentions me 3 times in seriousness.  The largest is the first, which puts an FoS on me because of my first post, which is also a joke vote.  Instead of thinking that I just have a bad sense of humor, he puts a large FoS on me, for one vote.  

 

That in itself isn't that bad, but the next time he mentions me, he basicallyy says NotBob is scummy, and therefore him voting me is distancing, already assuming I'm scum based on only the joke vote at that point.  This is bad, because not only does he not take into consideration that mafia may not even touch one of their partners with a 10foot pole to avoid linking, but he assumes I'm mafia already based off of one joke vote.

 

The next time he just says I'm not responding to things.  Which is completely wrong, I have literally responded to everything thrown at me.  He doesn't quote anything that I missed, as far as I could see.  False reasoning, thrown in there to make his vote look stronger.

 

Therefore, Lenlo ends up voting me because of a joke vote, supposed distancing based off of someone else's post who he thinks is scum (also off of one post), and completely false reasoning.  Basically, the only serious evidence he has is a joke vote, which ironically, is also a joke.

 

Now this is important.  Going back to what I said about voting people based off of one post on d1, Lenlo is doing the same thing Vos did, and having votes slowly pile up on me until when deadline comes, everyone jumps on me to avoid the random lynch.  Tommy at least had a point on the DT defending, which was valid, though I did refute him.  Out of all the people piling onto my slowly growing train, he's the least scummy, imo.

 

Also keep in mind here that he says Mynd is one of his town reads after Mynd posts his case on TG.

 

 

 

 

[RandA lThor]

TG's initial reaction to Mynd's case

 

 

 

 

Mynd, your "case" is terribad.  I'm putting it in quotations because it doesn't even rise to the level of a real case.  I expected more from you.  I'll tear it apart when I get back from my next meeting.  Hold your breath.

Immediate dismissal of his case as horrible, Mynd's bad, expected more from you, etc, etc, means two things.  First of all he took the time to right this, so he's scared people are going to vote him, yet he didn't put any immediate things that stuck out to him that would have taken him the same time to type.  No, the linking is bad logic, or you're extrapolating too much on my joke votes, or anything like that.  That's what I think is the most wrong with this post.

 

 

 

Lenlo's sarcastic backtrack

 

 

 

 

 

Mynd, your "case" is terribad.  I'm putting it in quotations because it doesn't even rise to the level of a real case.  I expected more from you.  I'll tear it apart when I get back from my next meeting.  Hold your breath.

 

Scumtwin powers activate!  Did you guys.....ahem....plan that tag team in your mafia QT thread?

 

Statements like "I expected more from you" is exactly what a squirmy scum would say.  When we go back to the raw nature of a townie and a scum, townies press for information while scum discredit, distract, and disinform. 

 

It's a knee-jerk scum reaction to try and talk down to a townie who is on to them.  They don't want anyone else to actually consider the case as proper. 

 

Also, notice how neither Lenlo nor TG even consider the chance that I am scum and trying to lead a lynch on a townie.  Why? Because they know I'm town.  How do they know this?  They are not.

 

My case is just that.  Mine.  The rest of the town can take it or leave it, but I think we've found ourselves TWO scummies already. 

 

Yup, I in no way think you might be scum pushing a lynch on a towny other than my FoS and question at you about how I think at this point you are trying to distract people from any case other than you own, such as my WoT, with poorly made and backed up cases that assume a level of planning unprecedented so far with those your accusing.

 

Tommy how much butter did you put on that, cause I want some.

 

Really now?  You think he's scum?  Then please explain why, like I mentioned above, he was in your top town list, which was created after Mynd had made his case.

 

 

 

 

Lenlo's attempt at saving himself with more "evidence posts"

 

 

 

 

Heres 2 more scummy posts Rand. I didnt include them fully before cause I didnt wanna flood my post with large quotes, but since you  asked:

 

 

 

Rand,

What's up? Are you scum? Should I lynch you today?

If I get lynched right when I join a game/game starts, I'm going to flip a table.  Then, I'm going to get up... and flip another table.

 

But to answer your questions

 

Gonna go on my XBOX, yes of course, no it makes me haz sad

 

Been thinking about Rand's rage vote on me, apparently using a situation from another game as a reason. 

 

At first, I chose not to respond to it and fight the urge to OMGUS vote.

 

Then, I ate an orange.  Tasted good, but then my hands were sticky.  And not stick in the fun way.

 

Washed my hands.  Dried them.   Thought about the good ole days. 

 

But then that nagging suspicion crept back into my noggin. 

 

Why would Rand need to go to such lengths to justify his vote in this game?  Sure, day 1 randomness is random but.....he placed his vote on a player he felt no one would question his motives on.  Why....that would require a preset guilty conscience BEFORE he posted. 

 

So.....@Rand.  Why the need to OVER justify your reason for voting me? 

For people who weren't in the game, its a slight pet peeve when people vote someone like that without explanation, I wasn't in the game so I hound them on it, and then I get called out for it.

 

 

Rand,

What's up? Are you scum? Should I lynch you today?

 

This game would just be so much easier if we all just ask eachother if they are scum, and lynch the people who said yes.

 

 

Then, I ate an orange.  Tasted good, but then my hands were sticky.  And not stick in the fun way.

 

 

!!!

 

:shakeshead:  Ohh vos.

 

and    at your reaction to Mynd's comment

 

Rand would say yes nomatter what. Lol

This is why I    you.  Please kill a lot of scum this game too.

 

 

 

 

Not liking Rand's very reserved and casual response to my question. I was expecting more....Dragon......and got a tame puppy instead.

come to JN and its more lax rules and I'll give you more... Dragon. :P

 

Don't women usually feel the same way after getting it on with you? =)

 

 

Don't women usually feel the same way after getting it on with you? =)

 

Nah that happens before, and they call it foreplay. 

 

They only say that to save your feelings.

 

Drunk, Rand, the funny characters guy. Those are the three I would smite with my sword.

who's the funny characters guy?

 

[unvote]
[v]Darthe[/v]

Way to destroy the string of 1-vote trains you scumster.

 

 

 

There are two things that are so wrong with this that they should come out and punch you in the face.

 

Firstly, he doesn't say anything about why these are scummy.  For all we know he literally could have gone and grabbed the first two quotes of me he found and said, you scummy mcscumster, here's your evidence go lynch him, hoping no one would look.

 

And secondly, I'm starting to doubt whether he didn't just randomly take these, because almost every single thing I posted in these is a joke.  And its not like I don't have enough serious content either.  The only thing that isn't a joke here, is an explanation of a pet peeve in mafia.  

 

So, in summary, to support his vote on me based on a single joke vote post, he somehow finds the few other joke posts I have, and posts both of them as "evidence", when really the only explanation he gives is they are scummy.  Lenlo is rocketing to the top of my scum list.

 

 

 

 

Small comment on something Nyn said

 

 

 

 

Not sure how I feel about Lenlo scumhunting on D1.

 

So you think that might be a scummy move from Len's part? Kinda funny. It's not so much when he turns on the serious switch that should trouble us, but more so the level of scumhunting. If he makes good points then I don't see anything wrong with it. If he says crap to appear like he's scumhunting then that's a different story. 

 

Your vague non-committal posts are kinda worthless. If you have something to say, say it. 

 

Nyn... he is saying crap to appear like he's scumhunting.  This is a different story.

 

 

 

 

Good Mynd reaction to opinions on his case

 

 

 

 

Grass has been beaten and the snakes are hissing!

 

TG overreacted and got more taint on Lenlo in the process by posting right after him in tandem.  A lot of people are just parroting "Mynds case on TG is good, but his connection to Lenlo is bad because.......Tommy said so."  At least we all agree.

 

I am also concerned that Darthe isn't really reading the whole thread.  Not sure why he gets a scumread on me without posting anything specific as to why.  He missed most of the actual FOS tossed his direction.

K, grass beating is the Mynd I know.  He can easily fake it, but this is another good sign.  Also, parroting comment is also a good sign.

 

 

 

 

Rebuttal to Vos's point again

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd like to see more from Nyn/Hallia.

Any reaction on Darthe calling you scum for exactly this sort of pop-in comment?

 

 

My thought too. 

 

To Lenlo (I believe) who wanted me to explain more about my "reads list". At page 10 (or something) its just gut and tone reads. Who reads as more relaxed, who is forced, who is deliberatly trying not to look a certain way, who seems to be trying just a little too hard. Nothing to expand on, but felt it worth putting out there. I've learned to trust my gut D1, and now its saying Rand and Csarmi is top 2 for scum. Rand for making a point out of "sitting back and enjoying town bicker between themselves" and then flailing when called out on it. Csarmi/RTE for trying way too hard, first at trying to look relaxed and jokyey, then trying to fake scumhunt and prod prod prod. Then disappearing before prodding some more. 

 

Also think it's a tad too soon to go bitching about people not posting enough. They are probably online trying to scroll through the quotation-hell a couple of pages back. My brain is still trying to catch up on the WOTs. Hnnnghn. 

 

Once again, I'm not flailing.  I am defending myself and casing people at the same time.  Just because I am casing you doesn't mean I am flailing, and though it does look like an OMGUS, I put solid reasoning behind why I voted you.  When there's good reasoning, its not an OMGUS.

 

 

 

 

 

Wow OK done with that.

 

tl;dr

 

Votes are piling on me exactly as I called it, with bs 1 post explanations.

 

Lenlo is fake scumhunting, using obviously false reasons, and is at the top of my scum list.

 

Mynd's case on TG had holes, but overall, was still enough to have me see TG as scum.  His reaction was not that good either, but I have not read his reply to Mynd's case, so his read isn't as stable as others yet.

 

Vos has dropped on my scum list simply because other people have done more scummy things.  Also, don't think TG and Vos are on the same team.

 

Tommy is the most likely to be town, due to his fairly solid reasoning when voting me.

 

So townreads include Tommy and Mynd, DT is kind of leaning town, but as I said before unsure.

 

Scumreads include: Lenlo, TG, and Vos.

 

Are two of those voting me?  yes.  But I do doubt that both of them are town, simply because mafia doesn't want to all be on the early end of a starting train.

 

PS: As I expected I have too many quotes.  I'll try to split it up, my apologies if anything gets messed up in the middle.

 

[RandA lThor]

Wow, I think thats the largest WoT I've ever done.  OK, I'm going to take a break, and then look at what TG and Lenlo have said.

[Clovdyx]

TG, Tommy also said my case had some legit points as well.  How can it be as bad as you claim yet you still think Tommy is town then?

 

This seems like you trying to discredit somebody off of nothing.  People disagree on things all the time in mafia, and it doesn't necessarily reflect on their alignment.  If TG was reading Tommy as town for the majority of his posts, I don't see why he should abandon that read over a slight agreement with you.

[Lenlo]

Rand its not that you missed it, its that you avoided answering the actual questions thrown at you. You joked with them, you quoted them, but you didnt actually /answer/ them. Your also missing the point where I supported Tommy's reasoning for voting you. 

 

For the NotBob thing I said may. May being the key word. You were my only scum read at that point in the reread, D1, so of course im going to be focused on you. And mafia wouldnt touch a teammate with a 10ft pole to avoid linking? Please in a game this small thats a non issue. Mafia have to interact with each other in some way in a game this size.

 

And you can call the reasoning false all you want, it doesnt make it so. 

[Clovdyx]

Deleting all of the nested quotes but what I'm actually replying to. 

 

A whole bunch of quotes and stuff, warning: large

 

 

 

 

Tommy's case on me, refutes

 

 

PLEASE STOP QUOTING THOSE HUGS WOTS. I CAN'T READ THEM ON MY PHONE. Spoiler them at least.

 

It's the opposite of what you said. I rarely see townies list themselves in their townlist. Your logic for calling him a town reads like writing him off rather than trying to discern his alignment. This is the second time you've defended Drunk with dubious logic.

 

TMI garnished with a fencesit. A fine dessert. For a wolf! [Do I sound like Mynd?]

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Rand[/v]

We can argue this both ways.  I can still argue that scum wouldn't do it since it would draw unneeded attention like the kind its drawing right now.  Both points are valid.  And I'm not blindly defending him, I am qualitatively observing him.  Literally right under I make a point about why I think he's scummy as well.

 

Also, just because I point out both sides of DT, townie and scummy, doesn't mean I'm fencesitting.  I am honestly unsure about him at this point.  However, on other people, I have made my position extremely clear, i.e. not fencesitting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

How can you say the bold when you literally said you're placing a townread on him because scum don't list themselves as town?  If you truly feel both sides are both (scum doesn't do it, town doesn't do it), that's null by the very definition.  Combined with you pointing out something scummy, I don't see how you could possibly reach a conclusion of him being town without already knowing his alignment.

 

Also underline completely goes against having a townread on him.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

calling all scum...please identify yourself to claim a prize...

[Nynaeve]

Powerful commentary if true.  

 

I don't use it too often. She might explode of happiness. 

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

Powerful commentary if true.  

 

I don't use it too often. She might explode of happiness. 

 

 

I'd love to watch.  Let me know.

[Lenlo]

calling all scum...please identify yourself to claim a prize...

... Whats the prize?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

calling all scum...please identify yourself to claim a prize...

... Whats the prize?

 

 

Looks like we got one....

 

Unvote, Vote Lenlo

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

^^^sometimes I amaze myself with my scum hunting skillz^^^

[Nynaeve]

I'd love to watch.  Let me know.

 

I like voyeurs ;)   I'll see what I can do.

[Lenlo]

Dangit! Tricked again by shiny objects!

[nervositee]

 

 

calling all scum...please identify yourself to claim a prize...

... Whats the prize?

 

 

Looks like we got one....

 

Unvote, Vote Lenlo

 

 

LETS ALL PILE ON RIGHT NOW!

[RandA lThor]

/kicks door open

 

How the heck you boys doin?!

Sup AVM?

 

 

Deleting all rebuttals that I also mentioned in my analysis of Mynd's case to avoid "ditto".  Again, I am in bold and blue

*****MOD APPROVED EDIT***********I DID MY BEST TO FIX THE QUOTES BUT ALL THESE QUOTES ARE FROM MYND************

 

I'm taking out a bunch of the nested quotes.  You want them, go back and read them.

 

And now the appeal to Tommy pointing out someone elses early jokiness other than his own.

 

I'm engaging players because I know my only agenda is scumhunting.  What is your agenda?

 

I don't even think this responded to what he said.  Look at my case for a clearer argument against you for that  post, one that you can't respond with, I scumhunt bro, y u no scumhunt?

 

Darthe seems to be a heat magnet in most games, which makes him an easy target and scapegoat.  Darthe has barely posted this game and yet that seems to be enough for TG to consider him among the top 3 wolfiest players in the game?  And what happened to Kronos?

 

(heh.  The only GOAT Darthe seems to get is being a scapeGOAT! Hahahaha, I kill me!)

 

Darthe is wolfie for his BS reads that he popped in with.  Show me how he had helped town in any way by the time I made my list. 

 

Also, by applying your own logic to yourself, you must be saying you know Darthe is town with your joke.  How would you know that Mynd?  Only if you're scum. 

 

If I remember correctly, you also voted Darthe for this.  I understand that he may have been somewhat scummy, but again, one post votes?

 

Our Goodwill Ambassador of DM Mafia is not going to lynch Drunk Tank for any reason on D1.  Isn't that sweet?

 

No, I'm not.

 

K this changes my view of what you said before.   This isn't necessarily scummy or town as much as stupid.  You should never ever make an exception in a mafia game to not lynch someone.  If someone got a day cop report on him, he slipped and said he was mafia, or he did some extremely scummy things right in a row, would you go "Oh he's new here, lets go easy".  This is mafia.  Voting someone on their first day here, especially when they've played elsewhere, is not personal, its part of the game.  You making a blatant exception goes against mafia 101, as town or scum.

 

Then this....which gets NO explanation.

Lenlo, I need your help.

Now, less than 15 minutes later, Lenlo replies.  Its almost as if he knew Lenlo was online.  Kinda like they were working together in some other form of communication....like say a Mafia QT perhaps?  What did TG need help with?  A mildly funny gif....one that I believe was hastily used in a desperate attempt to explain why he really needed Lenlo.....to read the mafia QT.

 

This might be the stupidest thing you said.  You're saying I knew Lenlo was online because I posted this.  In the next sentence you're saying I needed him to get online to read the QT.  So I knew he was online which is why I posted this to try and get him online.  Are you taking logic lessons from Despo and Red? 

 

I agree with what you said, but just wanted to point out that this is ironic considering the above.

 

 

TG has waded in the spam with us for a lot longer in other games.  Why the sudden haste? Why the flip-floppy behavior? Guilty conscience?  And how is he really pushing any gameplay at this point?  Voting an inactive?  Kissing everyone's arses?

 

Yes, and wading through it is soul killing me.  It's fun....for a while, but everything in moderation.  Hence, some jokes, some gameplay.  Sorry you can't understand moderation.

 

I'd say you were higher than the average for number of joke posts and so on in this game.  That means that you can't suddenly change (especially after people have already started playing the game) and go, "STOP TOWN! Let me lead you to non spammy posts, because I want game play".  You're inflating the amount of things you've done for town, an action commonly done by scum.

 

TG gives Nyn the finger and calls her out for giving him a weak FOS.  For everyone's convienence, I colored and bolded the part where Nyn gives TGlems an FOS in her quoted quote.

 

You're a LLwL.  I called it a wanna-be FOS.  Insinuated without using the words.  Nice try.  You even used pretty colors to draw attention to how your placing all this into your narrative.

 

Point taken, I understood a wanna-be FOS as a blatant FOS that wasn't as strong.

 

And now, a warning to all of us lowly hethens who DARE consider TGlems as scum because they might have an agenda.  Vos is naturally #CHAINLOCKTOWNwithPADLOCK while we should be suspicious of players other than TG if we wanna be decent townies.  Read the following and try not to facepalm too much.

 

TG earlier states that he isn't going to vote Drunk Tank because he's new to DM.  Yet he fires off at Rand for calling out Vos for voting him and not knowing his game play.  Don't forget, he just finished warning us all that if we want to be decent townies, we need to be suspicious.

Then a defense of Vos which doesn't even begin to consider that Vos is Scummy McVosScum. 

 

Yeah, TG......I have an agenda in this game.  It's getting rid of all the scum. 

 

I figure I'd start with you.

 

I don't know why I'm arguing with you when you're doing such a good job of arguing with yourself.  Vos' alignment has nothing to do with Rand being right or not.  Rand is wrong on this one.  I could be attacking scum for all the wrong reasons.  Just because they are scum doesn't make my reasoning better.

 

And DT being new v. Rand and Vos not knowing playstyles are two completely different things.  You're conflating them, badly, to fit your narrative. 

 

And if you actually are town, then you aren't gonna be checking any boxes on your agenda.  Terribad case is terribad.

 

Once again, your stance on DT because he's new literally makes no sense from any viewpoint.  Now that I think of it, its even somewhat scummy, contrary to the null read that I stated before, because only mafia would state that they would never lynch someone.  It makes for a good mafia protecting town story.

 

On the other hand, town never ever ever states that they would never lynch someone on a certain day, simply because they are new to DM.  That's ridiculous.

 

 

 

Mynd, your scum team is TG and Lenlo? I think TG has some scum equity, but I don't think your "omg they're colluding!" theory you start that case with is very likely.

 

Often people say "hah did you plan that in scum chat?!" and that's almost never the case. I mean do you seriously plan out conversations in scum chat? I don't.

 

TG wanting less spam isn't scummy. Him being spammy while also deriding people for not being serious kind of is, though.

 

I give your case a 4/10. Might be right but probably for the wrong reasons. A lot of what you found scummy is actually semantics.

 

Except for the "scum equity" this is spot on.

 

Lol two things happened here.

 

1. You tried to take a viewpoint of someone and take it out of context by omitting anything bad about yourself and only presenting the good parts.

 

2. You didn't realize that you just accepted the fact that its scummy for you to be spammy while deriding people, and also the fact that Tommy said you might be scum.

 

 

 

 

But stay tuned for TG to shred my case to shreds by shredding it!!!!  When he gets back from [reason for delay] so he can start shredding!

 

If it was terribad, why not just say why now?

 

/me begins to hold breath.

 

It's called work.  I had a meeting and knew it would take time to properly ridicule respond to your "case".

 

I'd like to clarify before you respond the same way to my analysis of your reaction, that my beef with you is that in that post, you didn't mention a single thing, even in a quick phrase, that was wrong with Mynd.  If you had time to read Mynd's entire case, then you had time to post, his linking is bad, or ,he's thinking too much about joke posts.

 

*popcorn*

 

Wasn't the "popcorn" comment mentioned by Vos earlier about scumtell?

 

Yes, the same scumtell that I've been campaigning against.  I don't agree with it against me or Tommy.  Its supposed to be a funny post, and though it may be a little scummy, it is nowhere near as telling as you or Vos seems to think.

 

Mynd thinks TG is lock scum. Mynd's case on TG is a bit contrived but TG's reaction to it was bad. Considering I've agreed with Mynd several times so far ITG and I've noticed TG has felt a bit... erratic... I think we might have something here. But more due to unnatural emotional states than the semantics argument Mynd was forwarding.

 

Scummy follow-on to Mynd's bad case (that you yourself called bad) is scummy.  Ping.

 

I'm starting to think that the 2nd point up above is very correct.  Tommy basically said what I said in way fewer words and with less conviction.  Mynd's case has a lot of BS, but some parts are good, and you may be scum.

 

This btw is an OMGUS FOS.  Someone that I liked suddenly FoSed me, let me get back at them really quick and make up some reasoning that is completely false (although this time may have gave false reasoning unknowingly)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quick bit of fun to reenergize anyone reading over all my long posts.  Lol I love this part of the movie.  "If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball" :

 

Rand its not that you missed it, its that you avoided answering the actual questions thrown at you. You joked with them, you quoted them, but you didnt actually /answer/ them. Your also missing the point where I supported Tommy's reasoning for voting you. 

 

For the NotBob thing I said may. May being the key word. You were my only scum read at that point in the reread, D1, so of course im going to be focused on you. And mafia wouldnt touch a teammate with a 10ft pole to avoid linking? Please in a game this small thats a non issue. Mafia have to interact with each other in some way in a game this size.

 

And you can call the reasoning false all you want, it doesnt make it so. 

Ok.  With the whole answers thing, I'm not just saying its false, it is.  If you want to make it true, find posts of people asking me questions, and me answering them jokingly or not answering them but quoting them.  The only time I've done that is with NotBob's vote which I originally thought was a joke, and if I've done it anywhere else, I've missed it.

 

Secondly, if I missed it, it was probably a one-liner to give you more cred again.  And if it was in your second post and not your original, that's even worse, because now you're just jumping onto other people's reads to make yourself seem more credible.

 

And thirdly for the NotBob thing, if I'm your only scum read that early in the game, that still doesn't mean you can assume I'm scum, and make an assumption based off of that.  And mafia avoiding each other, even in a large game, is completely plausible, especially when the thing they're avoiding is initial votes.  There is more reason for mafia not to vote their partners first, then to do so.

 

Deleting all of the nested quotes but what I'm actually replying to. 

 

A whole bunch of quotes and stuff, warning: large

 

 

 

 

Tommy's case on me, refutes

 

 

PLEASE STOP QUOTING THOSE HUGS WOTS. I CAN'T READ THEM ON MY PHONE. Spoiler them at least.

 

It's the opposite of what you said. I rarely see townies list themselves in their townlist. Your logic for calling him a town reads like writing him off rather than trying to discern his alignment. This is the second time you've defended Drunk with dubious logic.

 

TMI garnished with a fencesit. A fine dessert. For a wolf! [Do I sound like Mynd?]

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Rand[/v]

We can argue this both ways.  I can still argue that scum wouldn't do it since it would draw unneeded attention like the kind its drawing right now.  Both points are valid.  And I'm not blindly defending him, I am qualitatively observing him.  Literally right under I make a point about why I think he's scummy as well.

 

Also, just because I point out both sides of DT, townie and scummy, doesn't mean I'm fencesitting.  I am honestly unsure about him at this point.  However, on other people, I have made my position extremely clear, i.e. not fencesitting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

How can you say the bold when you literally said you're placing a townread on him because scum don't list themselves as town?  If you truly feel both sides are both (scum doesn't do it, town doesn't do it), that's null by the very definition.  Combined with you pointing out something scummy, I don't see how you could possibly reach a conclusion of him being town without already knowing his alignment.

 

Also underline completely goes against having a townread on him.

Kind of confused by what you mean here, but I used to have a townread on him, and not its a town lean due to the post I was commenting on.  So thats why the underline goes against having a townread on him, that's supposed to, its part of what made me switch my assessment on him.

[RandA lThor]

 

 

 

calling all scum...please identify yourself to claim a prize...

... Whats the prize?

 

 

Looks like we got one....

 

Unvote, Vote Lenlo

 

 

LETS ALL PILE ON RIGHT NOW!

 

This feels off.  I don't know how to describe it reallly, but it seems very forced.

[Lenlo]

You misunderstood what I meant with the third bit Rand. I mean in a game this small its implausible for mafia teammates to avoid each other. Theres not enough people in a small game like this for 3 people to avoid each other completely.

 

As for the quotes ill find them when I get home, because they exist.

[Lenlo]

Also just because you missed things, dont go dismissing them when I bring them up just because they go counter to what your saying. Ill bring quotes to prove that one to.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

/kicks door open

 

How the heck you boys doin?!

 

Better than most...how the hell are you?