[Advanced] Blackhoof's Cthulhu Mythos Mafia Game- Day 1

[dawnflower8]

I hope Tsuki is scum because he's definitely acting anti-town.  The one thing I hate more than inactives is players who are actively anti-town but are town.

 

Tsuki's always like that. Personally, I think he's most likely town.

[dawnflower8]

Also, Vos, I am a girl.

[nervositee]

Also, Vos, I am a girl.

 

Yeah, dang, I know that. Was half asleep here, sorry (:

 

If it helps, I got an avatar with a beard and people still thinks I'm a girl.

[Hallia]

I honestly think Mynd is telling the truth, I'm going to trust his judgement.

 

[v] wombat [/v]

[nervositee]

 

 

(Unofficial) Vote Count


Des(3)- Red, Wombat, Dawn
Wombat(6)- Pral, Nervo, Nyn, RTE, mynd, Hallia



Not voting (2)- Player, TGlems, Tsuk

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch

Deadline: 3AM 6 July EST
Countdown Timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140706T17&p0=1492&msg=End+of+Day+2&csz=1&swk=1

[nervositee]

Deadline: 3AM 6 July EST

Countdown Timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140706T17&p0=1492&msg=End+of+Day+2&csz=1&swk=1

 

 

Which again puts deadline about 8 o'clock monday morning for me >_< Damn timezones.

[hazelkrs1]

Fwiw I don't think there's really anything to support Dap being silenced this phase, since he hasn't been active in my game either

 

So I don't see a problem with waiting till he can show up if he is able

[nervositee]

Well, it seemed ok last weekend, but with a sunday-night deadline, DM mafia is usually pretty inactive. Wouldn't we risk ending up at no lynch if we hold off building trains until Dap shows up?

 

I dunno. Open to give him some time, but for my sake we can lynch elsewhere today, and if he remains AWOL I'm sure mod will take care of the problem accordingly. We got alot of info so far - going after inactives now is superweak and reads distracting-move - not pro-town gameplay.

[Blackhoof]

Vote Count

 

 

Des(3)- Red, Wombat, Dawn

Wombat(6)- Pral, Nervo, Nyn, RTE, mynd, Hallia

 

 

 

Not voting (5)- Player, TGlems, Des, Clov, Tsuki

 

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch

 

Deadline: 3AM 6 July EST

Countdown Timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140706T17&p0=1492&msg=End+of+Day+2&csz=1&swk=1

[Red2111]

I'm in class I get out at 1030pm CST and no work torroe. I'll bbl later tonight to actually post but a quick clarification. Dap is not mod confirmed silenced. His being silenced is an aßumption u lot are making

Len was mod confirmed hence my defence. And vos its mod confirmed silenced players I defend. I have no problem going after lurkers.

 

And there's no saying dap isn't lurking hoping people believe he's silenced. He didn't say the h name 3 times that I could find and hoof at nt confirmed him being silenced. I make no assptions and gocen ymds lost I question the xonvient timing of his abscense.

[Red2111]

I'm on my phone and auto correct is a jerk so sorry I'd the above ain't too clear

Breaks over g2g

[dawnflower8]

I thought Hallia's vote was the hammer for a sec. But then I realised people unvoted, and felt incredibly stupid.

[WWWwombat]

 

Red having logic fail isn't really a scumtell.  Still think Despo is scum.  I feel like Dap should be replaced or modkilled.  His inactivity is seriously altering the game right now.

 

Going after inactive. Seems more like trying to steer focus away from yourself than actually reacting to Daps lack of involvment.

 

would prefer Dap to be replaced.

 

but baring a replacement, would prefer a Dap lynch to a Dap MK.

 

I think this has already been pointed out, but I thought you didn't like going after inactives? Seem to remember you saying that pretty loud and clear. What changed?

 

 

1.  How is that "going after" an inactive?  I said I wanted Dap replaced or modkilled, not lynched.  Later, I went on to say that Dap votes were a distraction.

 

2.  Yeah, that was me who pointed it out.  Way to say I'm scum while sheeping one of my points in the same post.

 

 

How much are you actually reading this game?  You seem a lot denser than usual atm.  Starting to think it's because you're not town.

[WWWwombat]

I honestly think Mynd is telling the truth, I'm going to trust his judgement.

 

[v] wombat [/v]

 

The two clauses of this sentence should have very little to do with each other.  Make your own opinion, don't foist responsibility onto Mynd.

[hazelkrs1]

Still think I'm scum Wombat? I could go for a CFD on Hallia. She's blatantly ditching responsibility for making any scumreads of her own

 

I also think it's at least plausible that you're in fact town, and that Dawn TMI slipped. Mynd could be lying or Dap scum here.

 

What you think?

[WWWwombat]

 

You serious?

 

There are SOOOOOOOOO many reasons for town to be voting you over me

 

1. You were much more of a consensus scum read than I was before day began or Mynd revealed any Dreamer stuff

2. Whether or not I've been wrong, I was more than willing to get my hands dirty immediately in the game and pursued my reads with conviction. You've sniped from the sidelines

3. Your lynch gives town SOOOOOOO much more than mine would regardless of your alignment. As I showed with that awesome post of mine a few pages ago, no matter how you flip town gains a known scummer (in addition to you if you flip scum), and gains info on others to boot. My flip doesn't give nearly as much info

4. I was willing to claim. You aren't. Withholding information at L-1 (before me and Clov unvoted) is antitown.

5. I smell better than you and I put out easier

 

1.  Doesn't matter.  Your arguments today have been so bad that it's utterly astounding that anyone would actually believe them.

2.  "Conviction" is a null tell.  It's pretty easy to fake as mafia.  And townies are often ambivalent, especially early in the game.  The "sniping from the sidelines" thing is parroted crap.  I'm currently third in post count despite having limited time and have expressed more opinions than almost everyone in this game.

3.  You have yet to back this up.  Mynd's claim makes the info pretty much even.  And if you need my flip to get a read on Red right now, then you must have taken a mighty thump to the dome recently.

4.  Withholding my claim is not anti-town here.  I've told the town I'm not cop or doc.  I don't need to hard claim because town now knows that my role isn't something that would break the game if we lost it.  If I'm lynched, town will find out my role in my flip.  If I'm not, then by the next day phase, it will be pretty apparent that I'm town.

5.  Only assuming you like the smell of astroglide.

 

 

Not to mention, we don't KNOW Mynd is even telling the truth. There has been nothing that has actually confirmed that he got a Dream which gave him relevant alignment info on anyone in the thread

 

He could be scum playing town like puppets

 

He could be town doing a gambit to either get more info out of peeps or try and have town focus on top scum reads of his

 

Either of those aren't really crazy possibilities either, they're both very plausible

 

Also, I want to point out right here cause doing so will be both dramatic and make me look purdy smart-

 

The way a Dreamer works normally, they are NOT able to choose who they dream about. They either get three names the mod provides, one of which contains scum, or they get one name back, who is town

 

Granted, Mynd said this particular little event or w/e had it's own special rules, but again, that could be him being completely full of it and making his claim more convoluted to make it more believable (as either scum or town)

 

So Hallia, tell me again why you should trust Mynd completely to give the top three most likely people to be scum, instead of analyzing the thread yourself and making a judgement call as to who seems the scummiest from your perspective?

 

^ Throwing dirt on Mynd's claim for when I flip town.  Take note.

[WWWwombat]

Still think I'm scum Wombat? I could go for a CFD on Hallia. She's blatantly ditching responsibility for making any scumreads of her own

 

I also think it's at least plausible that you're in fact town, and that Dawn TMI slipped. Mynd could be lying or Dap scum here.

 

What you think?

 

I think you're probably scum.  I think Mynd is either telling the truth or scum.  At this point, he's way past town gambit utility and if he were lying should have already fessed up.  I'm probably not going to vote outside of you or Mynd today.

[hazelkrs1]

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

Let's just get this over with

[Hallia]

We have a dream where 1 out of you is def. scum and you want to band with the other, who you think is scum...for...me?  Thaaat makes no sense.

 

Unvote

 

Vote Des

[Red2111]

okay first things first.  about the Dap thing and the total mis-rep on me over this.

 

 

first off, you lot missed this post by me

 

 

well Dap's profile says he was active on the forum today, so i assume lurking (i mean he's been doing the catch up to lurk thing all game imo)

 

if he's been silenced then the Despo train it will be.  never considered this until it was pointed out, he didn't say the H name 3 times did he?

 

 

i pointed out he has been on DM since the D2 started and that because he hasn't been mod confirmed silenced like Len, its more likely hes lurking.

 

and btw, i've been commenting on his absence all damn day and before the trains built on Despo and Womby i suggested pressuring Dap over it.  i find it utterly scumtastic for him to be listed on Mynds list like then and then going poof when he's stated he'd have, and i quote, plenty of time to play now.

 

 

 

as to my post where i stated i'd prefer Dap to be lynched over MKd if he's not going to be replaced, it was in direct response to WOmby's post.  which was posted directly UNDER Womby's post

 

Red having logic fail isn't really a scumtell.  Still think Despo is scum.  I feel like Dap should be replaced or modkilled.  His inactivity is seriously altering the game right now.

 

 

would prefer Dap to be replaced.

 

but baring a replacement, would prefer a Dap lynch to a Dap MK.

 

 

and yes, if Dap isn't going to be replaced i'd much rather prefer him be lynched rather than a straight up MKd.  with a MK we get no info other than his corner report.  with a lynch we get convo and reasons why people are voting him

 

 

now to the people who mis-repped the convo 

 

 

 

would prefer Dap to be replaced.

 

but baring a replacement, would prefer a Dap lynch to a Dap MK.

 

Why?  He's dead either way, and if we lynch him, we're losing the opportunity to lynch the guy you've been jumping up and down claiming is totally obvious lockscum Despot until the next phase.  Shouldn't you prefer to lynch Des and let the mod deal with Dap, alignment be damned?

 

because a lynch gives more info than a MK.  and didn't suggest lycnhign him today, and do you see me voting him, no my votes still on Despo and thats where its saying.

 

but we CAN discuss it and not let him slip by from it.  it IS scum, it diserves PRESSURE and hes on mynds LIST.   someone on mynds list goes silent when he's been active on DM and isn't mod confirmed silenced ur damn right i'm gonna red flag that. i'm a proactive player.  his silence stinks and its convenient, i dislike it greatly.

 

 

would prefer Dap to be replaced.

 

but baring a replacement, would prefer a Dap lynch to a Dap MK.

 

Why?  He's dead either way, and if we lynch him, we're losing the opportunity to lynch the guy you've been jumping up and down claiming is totally obvious lockscum Despot until the next phase.  Shouldn't you prefer to lynch Des and let the mod deal with Dap, alignment be damned?

 

Was just about to say it was prob a typo, but nope you're right

 

Wow Red just keeps digging her own grave

 

It's completely antitown what she's suggesting- you don't waste a lynch on someone who the mod might be clearing up the situation on sometime soon

 

The opposite is WAY more beneficial to town, you use the lynches in a more efficient manner

 

I for one think this talk about Dap being gone (Red was the first I saw to complain about it twice, fos'ing him for it even tho she has me as LOCK SCUM and isn't calling Mynd a liar, which means logic SHOULD have her thinking Dap is town) is a complete red herring and a ruse, designed for us to talk about other stuff since it won't be easy for scum to mislynch me

 

if hoof is gonna be replacing him then good.  but no reason why we shouldnt be pressuring him over it and keeping it relavent JIC he doesn't get replaced.

 

Mynds list and claim can be vetted and calling him a LLL over it does no good.  i have no basis to call him a LLL.  its WIFOM right now and theres ways to vet it, much like a claimed finder.  if hes scum, he's exposed himself, if he's town then he's helped out immensely. 

 

you going 180 on Mynds list pings, as does your reach with this Dap play.  is there a reason why you dont want Dap to get pressure?  why are you defending against any pressure on him?

 

 

 

would prefer Dap to be replaced.

 

but baring a replacement, would prefer a Dap lynch to a Dap MK.

 

Why?  He's dead either way, and if we lynch him, we're losing the opportunity to lynch the guy you've been jumping up and down claiming is totally obvious lockscum Despot until the next phase.  Shouldn't you prefer to lynch Des and let the mod deal with Dap, alignment be damned?

 

I agree with this.  Furthermore, Red, didn't you say pushing potentially silenced players was scummy?

 

no i said pushing a mod confirmed silenced player was scummy.  Dap aint mod confirmed, Len was, thats your difference.

 

 

would prefer Dap to be replaced.

 

but baring a replacement, would prefer a Dap lynch to a Dap MK.

 

I think this has already been pointed out, but I thought you didn't like going after inactives? Seem to remember you saying that pretty loud and clear. What changed?

 

I actually think Dawn is town though. I recognize his frustration here. Really annoying to be FoSd for doing something you see other players get away with.

 

Womb, Red, Tsan is my strongest scumleans now

 

Mynd and Nyn are my strongest townleans, followed by Des.

 

omg no one even said anything about inactives. are you even reading before you throw out a FoS

 

 

 

[Blackhoof]

Vote Count

 

 

Des(4)- Red, Wombat, Dawn, Hallia

Wombat(6)- Pral, Nervo, Nyn, RTE, mynd, Des

 

 

 

Not voting (4)- Player, TGlems, Clov, Tsuki

 

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch

 

Deadline: 3AM 6 July EST

Countdown Timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140706T17&p0=1492&msg=End+of+Day+2&csz=1&swk=1

[hazelkrs1]

We have a dream where 1 out of you is def. scum and you want to band with the other, who you think is scum...for...me?  Thaaat makes no sense.

 

Unvote

 

Vote Des

 

Nothing and no one has confirmed that the Dream actually took place

 

It seems you KNOW Mynd is town and know he is telling the truth- you're acting like there's no question that the Dream happened

 

I see through your facade Hallia

 

[Red2111]

 

i dislike how Pral, Vos, Nyn & Clov have parked their votes on Womby and just split.

 

Colv and Nyn i can sorta forgive, they both at least gave a case on Womby.  Pral and Vos though, they straight up parked and split.  if you lot are town you need to get your assests back in here and make an informed decisions and tell us why, with all this new info since Mynd revealed his findings last night, you are leaving your vote on Womby instead of switch to blatantly obv scum.

Split? Heh.

 

All the info Mynd gave just reinforces the fact that Wombat is obvscum here. Why would I vote anyone else? you are not making any sense now.

 

good sense my prod got you posting, keep posting and be more active mkay.

 

 

Not to mention, we don't KNOW Mynd is even telling the truth. There has been nothing that has actually confirmed that he got a Dream which gave him relevant alignment info on anyone in the thread

 

He could be scum playing town like puppets

 

He could be town doing a gambit to either get more info out of peeps or try and have town focus on top scum reads of his

 

Either of those aren't really crazy possibilities either, they're both very plausible

 

Also, I want to point out right here cause doing so will be both dramatic and make me look purdy smart-

 

The way a Dreamer works normally, they are NOT able to choose who they dream about. They either get three names the mod provides, one of which contains scum, or they get one name back, who is town

 

Granted, Mynd said this particular little event or w/e had it's own special rules, but again, that could be him being completely full of it and making his claim more convoluted to make it more believable (as either scum or town)

 

So Hallia, tell me again why you should trust Mynd completely to give the top three most likely people to be scum, instead of analyzing the thread yourself and making a judgement call as to who seems the scummiest from your perspective?

 

link where you got this info for Dreamer, i'm not taking your word for it on the role and the only thing i found on the Wiki anywhere close to what Mynd is talking about is this

 

 

 

stated it before and i agree with Womby, sounds like your cyaing yourself cause you know womby will flip town.

 

 

Here is the info I have to offer the town:

 

I said H three times.  I was given a Nightmare.  I named three players and I was given that at least one of them are threats to the town.  I had a 33% chance of being killed for having my nightmare.  I was told I was lucky.  The three players names were in this order Dapianoplayer, Despothera, and Wombat. 

 

I have a hard time believing that Dap is scum because of the Lenlo flip and his push on Dap right before being frozen.  It doesn't rule him out, but puts him as the least likely among the three.

 

Despo made me more suspicious that he didn't question my Dream initially and went after Red instead of Wombat, Dap, or even me.  Dawn followed up with a vote on Red as well.  To me, it seemed collusion.

 

Wombat did act more as an instigator rather than an actual scum-hunter on D1.  Either he takes a secret delight in making Tommy squirm or was egging it on for a lynch he knew would result in a town flip.  Red and Womby went at it.  Red staunchly defended Tommy.  Suddenly she is 100% sure of Womby because he gifted her. 

 

I really think it's Wombat.  I think Red is with him.  I don't like how they were going at each other on D1 but then Womby chooses to gift her at night.

 

 That's my take.

 

 bold - actually this is a mis-rep.  i'm staunchly defending Womby this phase, i only expressed my belief in Tommy being town from gut reading his tone.  but yest i did defend Tommy D1, i just dont like how youre upselling it and i feel its a misrep.

 

also, Womby and i didn't go at it.  if you recall, we were both going at Despo D1 hardcore, tho not as hard as today.

 

underlined - atleast you're not waffling anymore.

 

@ Mynd - thoughts on Despo suddenly going 180 at you and going at Dap after defending him now?

 

 

 

 

before i catch up on Despos latest fabrications and mis-reps i just want to say something

 

 

i dislike how Pral, Vos, Nyn & Clov have parked their votes on Womby and just split.

 

Colv and Nyn i can sorta forgive, they both at least gave a case on Womby.  Pral and Vos though, they straight up parked and split.  if you lot are town you need to get your assests back in here and make an informed decisions and tell us why, with all this new info since Mynd revealed his findings last night, you are leaving your vote on Womby instead of switch to blatantly obv scum.

 

TGI needs to get off the fence, and Dap needs to just straight up show up.  his disappearing act has NOT gone un-noticed.

 

*sigh*

 

I get that you think Wombat is town. We all get it. You make it really really really clear you are certain he is town.

 

Your FoS'ing of everyone who don't agree with you and see things your way is getting tiresome. I didn't park my vote and vanish, I explained my vote, then went to sleep and then to work. Every time I catch up I feel better about my vote. His defense, and your defense of him doesn't float at all. It reeks of desperation. I don't feel anything has changed since I cast my vote and I have no intention of going back to explain it to you again because you are a)defending a stubborn idea, or more probable b)defending a teammate,

 

So, if you're gonna sell your ideas, then "Wombat is town, and everyone who doesn't agree with me is scum" just won't cut it. Sorry.

 

 

my FoS at you guys was a poke to get you guys to start posting more.

 

theres like 15 players alive, yet the same 5 people are the only ones being active

 

 

POST MOAR!!!

 

 

Still think I'm scum Wombat? I could go for a CFD on Hallia. She's blatantly ditching responsibility for making any scumreads of her own

 

I also think it's at least plausible that you're in fact town, and that Dawn TMI slipped. Mynd could be lying or Dap scum here.

 

What you think?

 

 

i agree that Halias hoping around pings.

 

 

but what pings more is your sudden flipping on your Dap lean, you now trying to target Mynd and set up a lynch on him and now youre flip on your read on wombat.

 

 

sounds liek your setting yourself up for a town flip, especially when you add in all that "lets wait for Dap to post" grand standing and then hammer Wombat.

[Myndrunner]

We have a dream where 1 out of you is def. scum and you want to band with the other, who you think is scum...for...me?  Thaaat makes no sense.

 

Unvote

 

Vote Des

 

 

Let me be clear.  According to my Nightmare, AT LEAST one of those three is scum. It could be all three scum, or any combination of two. 

 

I also kinda agree...you're being a bit lazy here AND you have assumed I am town and telling the truth.  The one thing Red has going for her is that she is among the few that actually questioned my claim and suggested I was a LLL like a good townie should.  Those that haven't strike me as scum who KNOW I'm town.

[Red2111]

btw thsi got over looked.  its in a seperate post from my cathc up for a reason

 

 

I for one think this talk about Dap being gone (Red was the first I saw to complain about it twice, fos'ing him for it even tho she has me as LOCK SCUM and isn't calling Mynd a liar, which means logic SHOULD have her thinking Dap is town) is a complete red herring and a ruse, designed for us to talk about other stuff since it won't be easy for scum to mislynch me

 

If you were town, you'd already be dead.  #RealTalk

 

Why?

 

Fyi I AM town, so you're apparently completely wrong

 

 

isn't telling someone they're completely wrong a scum slip?

 

 

according to Despo, it is.

 

 

Here's another juicy one for yall, and it's short and sweet and absolutely makes Red look AWFUL

 

 

You are generally correct in saying that (about Red being wrong A LOT- I used to hate her for it, then I grew to love her for it   )

luv ya too bro. even though yer horribly wrong this game.

 

 

This is a scumslip yall. Complete and utter scumslip.

 

Lock Red up and take her to the clink.

 

Red says I'm "horribly wrong" this game.............. which actually means she knows me to be town. Otherwise, how could I be "wrong" about something or someone? I think she slips that in cause SHE knew I was wrong about Tommy, and momentarily forgot she was supposed to be handling me as a scum read. Cause yeah, scum aren't wrong. They're scum.

 

Complete and blatant slip on Red's part, and I will likely be emphasizing this again for anyone that's skimming my case on Red. She is LOCK SCUM CONFIRMED.