[Advanced] Blackhoof's Cthulhu Mythos Mafia Game- Day 1

[WWWwombat]

Overall, I would bet on RTE being scum in that group.

[Red2111]

@ Wombat - i'd honeslty rather split the difference and just lynch him tbh

 

 

Womby's lynch has been bullet trained, scum are leading it imo.  both days a Despo lynch has stalled, scum lynches ALWAYS stall.

 

 

then you have his lockclearing Lenlo D1 after 1 post!   Len flipped scum!

 

 

then you have his push on Tommy, WHO FLIPPED TOWN.

 

 

even if you want to ignore my case on him and his case on me for fear of team distancing, for crying out loud you cannot ignore these points!  these are concrete inarguable facts in the game that are immune to WIFOM.

[Red2111]

I've thought you were scum for some time but I also said I thought you and RTE were likely both town after the N1 flip.... right now, I think you're either with Womby and scum, or he's playing you.  Changing one's mynd is not a scumtel.  The two of you were going at it all day and night long, then suddenly he GIFTS you?  You don't find that odd?

 

 

no but constant flip flopping on an issue is out of character for you Mynd.  you're not just changing your mynd, your tryign to play both sides.

 

bold - you cannot fence sit on this, you've made an informed enough decision to call gambit on me and wombat. pick a side.

 

 

and heres another thing.

 

you came out of the gate voting Despo.  D1 you were bromance with Despo.   you're flip flopping on him.

 

 

 

tbh i'm starting to really doubt this whole dreamer thing and starting to think Wom y is right and this is a gambit between you and Despo, and the original despo vote was for distance and town cred.

 

 

you may have voted him, but you were nudging people to vote Dap and Womby the entire day and tried to quick hammer Womby with that sudden vote switch.  i bet you and your scum mates thought he was L-1 and wanted to hammer him.  i'm glad it failed.

[WWWwombat]

STRONG TOWN

10:Wombat

12:Red

2:Tsukibana

3:dawnflower

 

TOWN LEAN

14:Nyn
6:Quibby Clovdyx
13:Zer0 Hallia

 

NULL TO SCUM LEAN

15:Player

1:nervositee

8:Pralaya

 

STRONG SCUM
7:myndrunner
9:TGlems
18:ReleaseTheEvil
17:Despothera

[WWWwombat]

Also, I'm not going to claim other than to say that I'm town and I'm not a cop or doc.

[WWWwombat]

Goodnight.

[Myndrunner]

We could lynch Despo instead, I really could go either way; however, based on my POV, Womby is the most likely scum. I don't like how he went from antagonizing Red to trusting her with a gift.  I don't like his responses now.

 

I'm pretty sure Dawn is scum.

 

@Red - I'm not sure about you but you're not making any sense right now.  I wasn't nudging anyone to vote Dap, in fact, he was the one I first wrote off as town because of the whole Lenlo thing.  Also, do you not remember defending Tommy TO Wombat?

 

If you are town, you need to stop, collaborate, and listen.   Clear your mynd of all your prejudices and theories.  Re-read the thread and pretend that Red is some other player named Red and not you.  You might start to see what many of us already see.

 

If you are not town....then GOOD LUCK!

[dawnflower8]

Why do you think I'm scum? Because I think a player that you think is scum is town? Because I'm actually playing better than usual, which makes you think I'm being coached?

[Red2111]

We could lynch Despo instead, I really could go either way; however, based on my POV, Womby is the most likely scum. I don't like how he went from antagonizing Red to trusting her with a gift.

he antagonized Tommy, he's pokes at me were no where near antagonizing. imo your exagerating this.

 

 

I don't like his responses now.

his responses on on par with how they've been all game when he's deafened himself imo

 

 

I'm pretty sure Dawn is scum.

yeah she's starting to reek for me too. i dislike you parroting the coached angle that Depso has been hard selling all game.

 

first he accuse Darthe of coaching her, Darthe flipped town. now he's accused me of coaching her. he's trying too hard to sell it imo

 

 

@Red - I'm not sure about you but you're not making any sense right now.  I wasn't nudging anyone to vote Dap, in fact, he was the one I first wrote off as town because of the whole Lenlo thing.  Also, do you not remember defending Tommy TO Wombat?

my bad i retract the Dap stuff ur right.

 

i still dont like how you bromanced with Despo D1, then flipped to vote him right off the bat today, then tried to quick hammer Womby like that.

 

you've also not made a case on Despo. for being "either or is fine with me" i'd like to see your case on despo. you posted one for Womby.

 

 

If you are town, you need to stop, collaborate, and listen.   Clear your mynd of all your prejudices and theories.  Re-read the thread and pretend that Red is some other player named Red and not you.  You might start to see what many of us already see.

i might do a re-read .... but then i look at the pages and recall all the emo shit and my WIM for a re-read goes so limp even Viagra wouldn't help it.

 

 

If you are not town....then GOOD LUCK!

take a stance man. take a stance.

 

 

 

 

with that, i'm off to bed. 6:30 comes early

[Hallia]

Y'know, I believe you.  Going on my gut and your tone.

 

Vote Despo

[Hallia]

Inb4IforgotIwasalreadyvotingDes

[Myndrunner]

Inb4IforgotIwasalreadyvotingDes

 

Nice rack!

[Hallia]

:">

[Myndrunner]

So Hally, who is mafia?

[Hallia]

I'm thinking Des over Womby at teh momentz

[hazelkrs1]

I got nothing to hide, VT here

 

 

Also, lervely to see the scum outing themselves to try and get me lynched. Hooray!

 

 

Way I see it, we're in a great position regardless. Pretty sure Wombat is scum, and pretty sure there's not enough derp in the thread to let him live, so we should get another scum flip PLUS the TONS of info from the competing trains will give us

 

If town does derp and lynch me, meh no big deal, my reads are proven genuine, and town will still have the same tons of info to use regarding these competing trains, and those who came out of the woodwork in EXTREMELY unimpressive fashion to fake having a scum "read" on me to try and save Wombat (read: Hallia)

 

Only way this ends badly for us is if either Mynd is lying and doing some kind of grand scheme to lead town wherever he wants, or if Dap is scum after all. Both of those scenarios don't seem likely to me

[hazelkrs1]

>My case was AWESOME, Wombat destroying it must mean he's scum.

>Ok maybe I was wrong about Red and she's "scumslipping left and right... as a townie" but Wombat is still scum.

>Hey Red, truce, vote Wombat with me.

>Hey these two frequently cased players are also scum.

>Town read on 6 people cuz I need more allies/WIFOM

 

lolwut?

 

 

You don't even really make any of your own points at all here until the very last part, and even that is weak as it's just coloring things to fit your perspective/what you want people to see

 

Are you saying that giving out town reads makes me scum?

 

So I never like to get out town reads as town? That's what you're saying?

 

Cause the correct answer is I'll give out town "reads" as town OR scum. As town they'll be legit unless I got something up my sleeve with one or two, and as scum they'll be designed to wifom/buddy.

 

So what about my post made it seem like I was trying to buddy, other than you just saying I was without trying to support that in any way?

 

Despo, check pages 81-86.  Mynd asks for lists of 3, then he says the following...

 

(chopped)

 

After this, on p87, you went after and voted Red.

 

I did see a couple of these (like the "light shine on" thing) but I kinda figured it was just Mynd being Mynd. He'll often speak in ways that seem half-cryptic at first.

 

Regardless I've never really been one to PR hunt, even as scum I usually leave that up to teammates. I find the less you look for PR's, the less chance you have of doing scum's work for them

 

Womby is right.  This is kinda splitting hairs.  He's still probably scum with Red, but not because of how he responded to my question.

 

I agree with Mynd here fwiw. Granted, it does seem slightly more significant since it ended up being about Wombat, who already seemed sketchy to me, but on it's own I don't think it's that big of a deal

 

If I'm being coached, who do you think my coach is? Wombat, since I read him as town and everyone else seems to think he's scum?

 

 

Nope, I am not being coached. And why does everyone read Wombat as scum right now? He's the most town player left in the game.

 

 

Why do you think I'm scum? Because I think a player that you think is scum is town? Because I'm actually playing better than usual, which makes you think I'm being coached?

 

Dawn legit obsessed with the "coaching" angle. Also seems preoccupied with asking who is coaching her, instead of just saying... she's not being coached.

 

Also her "Wombat the most town player in the game" was lololarious.

 

 

He hasn't said anything that seemed remotely scummy to me, I guess. I'm not quite sure why I read him as town; it's gut feeling I suppose. I really don't think we should lynch him, since we've already lost 3 townies.

 

Emphasized is puketastic fear mongering. We've lost three townies yes, this has no actual bearing on the day's events however. Dawn bringing it up just reeks reeks reeks.

 

I'm not going to hammer you, since you're town. I also thought this was not a hammer game.

 

Oh. My. God.

 

How are more people not hammering Dawn for this?

 

Tbh this has me tinfoiling that Wombat COULD be town (and either Mynd is lying or Dap is scum after all), and that Dawn is TMI slipping like crazy.

 

Seriously, how does she KNOW Wombat is town here?

 

 

Trains were at 6/5 until Mynd switched his vote.  I'm guessing Mynd is Despo's scummate and was trying to get me and/or Dap lynched first before finally bussing.

 

I really, really, really hope you're scum this game Wombat. If this kind of turrible reasoning came from a town!Wombat I'd be pretty freaking depressed.

 

 

nervositee

Clovdyx

myndrunner

Pralaya

TGlems

Nyn

Dap

 

ReleaseTheEvil

Red

Hallia

 

Tsukibana

dawnflower

Wombat

 

Where I'm at atm. Think my LOCK CLEARS look pretty good, and feel purdy good bout my scum group as well. To pontificate on the middle group:

 

RTE prob could be LOCK CLEAR if it wasn't for his early reveal yesterday. His recent posts don't look as bad however. But since I think it was Vos who pointed out that thing I gave RTE town cred for, I can't really put RTE firmly in my town group yet. Red seems like she's getting played by Wombat, but the WIFOM here is that it could be scum!Red trying to be out in the open and defend scummate Wombat out of pure wifom. She even pulled the "I wouldn't do that as scum" card. And Hallia... she replaced Zero, who had zero posts, and yet I feel like that slot still hasn't said anything. Wonk wonk.

 

I'm treating this reads list as pre-death WIFOM btw.  Something that should be noted is that Des often looks at reads lists of flipped scum to find the other scum.  He says that scum often put their teammates in the middle of a group.  He has also told me before that he avoids doing this as scum.  WIFOM comes into this a bit, but I don't think he would expect me to have remembered that.  If you do lynch me, keep that in mind, but don't base much of anything off of it.  Do the old-fashioned legwork.

 

 

 

Sorry bout that, I suddenly got a really nasty taste in my mouth for a second

 

Despo's list, uncolored, and with player numbers included reads as follows:

 

 

1:nervositee

6:Quibby Clovdyx

7:myndrunner

8:Pralaya

9:TGlems

14:Nyn

15:Player

18:ReleaseTheEvil

12:Red

13:Zer0 Hallia

2:Tsukibana

3:dawnflower

10:Wombat

 

 

 

As you can see, the only player he changed the order with other than moving the player to another group was RTE.  This only further convinces me that Despo's reads list is fake.  It also convinces me that the movement of RTE was deliberate.  Had RTE been left in order, the purple group would have read Red, Hallia, RTE.  This could have been done either to move Hallia out of the middle, move Red into the middle, or move RTE up to the top.  Any of these moves could have been made for a number of WIFOMy reasons, so I'm not going to speculate further at this early point.

 

 

 

The main thing to take away from this is that Despo's reads list is almost certainly faked and designed not to lead back to his scummates.

 

 

Here's exactly what I did Wombat:

 

Step 1: Copy players list from OP

Step 2: Paste the players list after toggling edit mode cause I'm a BAWSH and this way no funky backgrounds or anything copy over

Step 3: Deleted those that had already flipped, as well as the people that subbed out

Step 4: Arranged the players to generally match my reads groups. I didn't worry too much at all about the actual order

Step 5: Bolded and colored the reads groups, cause again, I'M A BAWSH

 

So good job there Sherlock.

 

 

Vote Despo

 

I think Wombat's responses have been pretty good.

 

UGH.

 

This vote is just vomit-enducing. Hallia makes no mention of how I look, or if Dap might be scum or not, just says Wombats responses have been good and votes me

 

*shudder*

 

Fishing for info? That's not what bothered me, but the misrepresentation on Wombat's answer to Mynd's question is what I don't like.  For the other, I really really need to finish my reread.  From what I've seen I'm not the keenest on him.(Despo)

 

If this is all the justification Hallia is going to give for voting me, then again-

 

*shudder*

 

If I actually get lynched, DO NOT let her slip away for this TERRIBLE vote/reasoning. Seriously, that will freaking piss me the hell off.

 

Y'know, I believe you.  Going on my gut and your tone.

 

Vote Despo

 

 

Inb4IforgotIwasalreadyvotingDes

 

Oh God she was so worried about trying to look like she was organically coming to a decision here she forgot she had already voted me.

 

*headdesk*

 

MOAR OBVIOUS U GAIS.

 

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Updated reads list:

 

nervositee

Clovdyx

myndrunner

Pralaya

TGlems

Nyn

Dap

ReleaseTheEvil

 

Tsukibana

Red

Hallia

dawnflower

Wombat

[hazelkrs1]

Here's something else I just considered, and hear me out since I think this is something even people on the fence or w/e can appreciate:

 

No matter how Wombat flips, town gains an absolute treasure trove of info. Observe:

 

Womba Scum Flip

 

Red would look a bit worse, and at the very least town would no she had no idea what she was talking about and would disregard her "reads" (good for town)

 

Hallia would look a LOT worse for her craptastic vote on me and just saying "Wombat's responses have been good"

 

Dawn would look bad for thinking Wombat was the townies player in the game, and then not really being able to explain why (her response was lolbad)

 

Myself, Mynd, and Dap would all be pretty much LOCK CLEAR for every other townie

 

Wombat Town Flip

 

Either Dap is scum or Mynd is lying (I'm still town in this scenario FYI)

 

Dawn look TERRIBLE for TMI slipping that Wombat was town

 

Red looks better, not quite LOCK CLEAR but at least some of the wifom would die out on her

 

All those who subtly pushed @ Wombat during the night would then look a bit worse

 

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And that's just off the top of my head, there's likely a lot more info town would gain

[dawnflower8]

Despo, how many scum do you think there are?

 

Also, I do not "know" Wombat is town. I am just pretty sure of it. Just like I was pretty confident Darthe was town earlier. Also, if I was scum and trying to prove Wombat was town and he actually was town, what in the world would I gain out of that? Absolutely nothing, since that would be pro-town and preventing a lynch of a townie, which is the opposite of what the mafia's goals should be. Yeah, your read on me doesn't make much sense at all.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Whelp. I actually mostly agree with Des' last two posts. What is this world coming to?

[hazelkrs1]

Despo, how many scum do you think there are?

 

Also, I do not "know" Wombat is town. I am just pretty sure of it. Just like I was pretty confident Darthe was town earlier. Also, if I was scum and trying to prove Wombat was town and he actually was town, what in the world would I gain out of that? Absolutely nothing, since that would be pro-town and preventing a lynch of a townie, which is the opposite of what the mafia's goals should be. Yeah, your read on me doesn't make much sense at all.

 

# of scum: Well, based on the number of players in the game, I'd expect 4-5 going by standard ratio of 1:3 scum to town. But I dunno why you think this question is relevant. Are you trying to say I have too many scum on my suspects list?

 

As for the rest- it's not that I think you are trying to argue for Wombat being town, in fact my point was that you might have TMI slipped that you KNEW he was town. You said you wouldn't vote Wombat because he's town. Not that you think he's town or believe he might be town, but that he's town. Period. So really that whole point falls flat on it's face.

 

However, I will humor you, since you DO seem to be trying a lot harder this game (fyi I had to resist a strong urge to be ultra-condescending in this response, realized acting that way to a 15 yr old would be pretty dickish behavior- SEE EVERYONE, SLOWLY, I AM LEARNING TO BE SELF AWARE! )

 

Here's why a scummer would try and defend a townie:

 

1. Buddying- this concept pretty much describes exactly what it is. By defending a townie, you could hope to "buddy" them in the attempt to make them think you're town yourself, and have someone who will defend you later on or agree with you

 

2. White Knighting- this term generally means rushing to the defense of a consensus scum read for people (who is actually town) in the attempt to gain town cred if that person ends up being lynched. You can look like you were trying to rescue a poor townie, not some meanyhead who lynched them.

 

Both of these concepts I would generally consider a bit advanced for you to actually try (altho I could see you do the buddying thing with the right player), but again, I wasn't suggesting at all what you were trying to say.

 

Two more quick things about this post-

 

1. Didn't you have a scum read on Darthe earlier ITT? Either way, why bring up an earlier town "read" on a townie who's already flipped? NOW are you trying for towncred?

 

2. @ you doing the "If I was scum and dadada" thing, which newbscum often fall for. It indicates subconscious guilt on your part, like you're not trying to defend yourself cause you're town, you're trying to say that my argument wouldn't make sense if you were scum (since you know you're scum)

[hazelkrs1]

I just want to reiterate this point cause I think it's pretty rock solid and I love getting the chance to troll a scum team when I hit on something good:

 

The way I see it, no matter what, lynching Wombat guarantees town one (extra) scum, plus some other juicy stuff on peeps

 

If we lynch Wombat, and he flips scum, first of all HOORAY FOR TOWN!, second- we pretty much gain a guaranteed scum in Hallia, for her turrible vote in an attempt to save Wombat. Additionally, we gain more support for either a scum!Red or scum!Dawn situation

 

If we lynch Wombat, and he flips town, first of all for town, second- we pretty much gain a guaranteed scum in Dawn, who might have TMI slipped about Wombat. Additionally, we would figure out that either Dap is scum, or Mynd is lying. Granted, that last little tidbit is somewhat subjective- I would gain that info, but not everyone else necessarily since yall don't know me to be town yet. However, I think I have already done more than enough to show that I am interested in #solving this game and trying to catch scum, and well if I wasn't able to convince yall and ended up getting lynched, then meh, yall would find out soon enough, and before the game was lost anyways.

 

Here's what town gets with a Despot townflip (since I know I'm town):

???

 

 

I'm being facetious but actually think about it. It would lend more support to Wombat and Red being scum, but then there's already fairly good support for their scumminess, and furthermore their would still be wifom about Mynd and Dap, so Red and Mynd could still dance out of it. It would make Dawn look worse since she's continuously been trying to either set up my lynch with a townflip on someone else, or set up someone else's lynch with a townflip on me (where's Red to call out THAT obvious setting up of lynches btw ), but again, my flip wouldn't really be giving that much MORE support to her scumminess- she already looks pretty scummy on her own.

 

Basically what I'm trying to say is, the way I see it there's no way we shouldn't lynch Wombat in this scenario. He refused to claim, he has pinged a lot of people throughout the game, and he essentially refuses to budge off any of his reads unless he feels he has to, but more important than all of that- his flip helps town regardless.

 

If anyone can convince me that me flipping town today will help town as much as either of Wombat's flips would, I'd be GLAD to self-vote.

 

[dawnflower8]

 

Despo, how many scum do you think there are?

Also, I do not "know" Wombat is town. I am just pretty sure of it. Just like I was pretty confident Darthe was town earlier. Also, if I was scum and trying to prove Wombat was town and he actually was town, what in the world would I gain out of that? Absolutely nothing, since that would be pro-town and preventing a lynch of a townie, which is the opposite of what the mafia's goals should be. Yeah, your read on me doesn't make much sense at all.

 

 

# of scum: Well, based on the number of players in the game, I'd expect 4-5 going by standard ratio of 1:3 scum to town. But I dunno why you think this question is relevant. Are you trying to say I have too many scum on my suspects list?

 

As for the rest- it's not that I think you are trying to argue for Wombat being town, in fact my point was that you might have TMI slipped that you KNEW he was town. You said you wouldn't vote Wombat because he's town. Not that you think he's town or believe he might be town, but that he's town. Period. So really that whole point falls flat on it's face.

 

However, I will humor you, since you DO seem to be trying a lot harder this game (fyi I had to resist a strong urge to be ultra-condescending in this response, realized acting that way to a 15 yr old would be pretty dickish behavior- SEE EVERYONE, SLOWLY, I AM LEARNING TO BE SELF AWARE! )

 

Here's why a scummer would try and defend a townie:

 

1. Buddying- this concept pretty much describes exactly what it is. By defending a townie, you could hope to "buddy" them in the attempt to make them think you're town yourself, and have someone who will defend you later on or agree with you

 

2. White Knighting- this term generally means rushing to the defense of a consensus scum read for people (who is actually town) in the attempt to gain town cred if that person ends up being lynched. You can look like you were trying to rescue a poor townie, not some meanyhead who lynched them.

 

Both of these concepts I would generally consider a bit advanced for you to actually try (altho I could see you do the buddying thing with the right player), but again, I wasn't suggesting at all what you were trying to say.

 

Two more quick things about this post-

 

1. Didn't you have a scum read on Darthe earlier ITT? Either way, why bring up an earlier town "read" on a townie who's already flipped? NOW are you trying for towncred?

 

2. @ you doing the "If I was scum and dadada" thing, which newbscum often fall for. It indicates subconscious guilt on your part, like you're not trying to defend yourself cause you're town, you're trying to say that my argument wouldn't make sense if you were scum (since you know you're scum)

Yes, I was saying you have too many suspects on your list. No way are there 6 in the game. I never had a scum read on Darthe. He was always very town to me.

 

And I guess those do make sense as to why you think I'm scum if Wombat's town. But I actually just think Wombat's play seems very town and think we shouldn't lynch him, and try to lynch someone else. (Preferably you or Red, since I'm pretty sure one of you is scum.)

[hazelkrs1]

I wasn't trying to say there are 6 scum in the game. Those are just my suspects atm. Obv I'm wrong about 1-2 of them, but overall I think town will be in good shape if we focus there.

 

Fwiw, that last response was a little better than any of your other recent posts.

 

Also, if you actually are town, you're committing a pretty big sin for any scumhunter: assuming that one person HAS to be scum out of two people you pick.

 

It's true that Red and I have gone @ one another a lot, and we both have been wary of the other, but it could either be a big gambit on our parts (as in we're both scum trying to distance from one another) or it could be some good ol fashioned town on town violence.

 

Using simplistic reasoning that if one person is town, then the other person has to be scum cause they were calling the other one scum, is really never good for town. Basically I'm saying you've done a really poor job of justifying ANY of your reads this game, since pretty much any time you have this kind of reasoning has surfaced.

[hazelkrs1]

Dawn there are a number of reasons why I think you're scum this game, but just to be clear, this is what I'm referring to when I say "TMI slip":

 

I'm not going to hammer you, since you're town. I also thought this was not a hammer game.

 

TMI stands for Too Much Information, and the implication is that townies don't know at the start of the game who is town or who is scum, but scummers do, and occasionally forget that they're NOT supposed to know

 

The wording of your post doesn't seem to indicate any hesitance or confusion on your part regarding whether or not Wombat is town, you straight up say he's town. Wording is important in mafia games, and well I'm not sure what you can even do to explain yourself in this instance. If Wombat ends up being town, I will not waver for a second in declaring you lock scum. If he flips scum like I think he will, you still don't look good really, since you were hardcore defending a scummer (calling him the towniest person in the game). However, you wouldn't be lock scum, since townies can be wrong.