[Advanced] Blackhoof's Cthulhu Mythos Mafia Game- Day 1

[Tsukibana]

Two random people on every lynch train will be able to grant a single random item to a player of their choice (but not themselves). The gifting player is not told what the item is, but the recipient is told who gave them the item. 

[Tsukibana]

That is how Red would KNOW womby is town - Scum would not give an item to Town.

[Myndrunner]

That is how Red would KNOW womby is town - Scum would not give an item to Town.

 

That actually makes a lot of sense.   Town could give to a scum, but no way an intelligent scum would risk losing an item to town just for the off chance of them being "cleared" by giving it to them. 

 

So....it's Despo.

[Pralaya]

I'd like to point something out apparently everybody has freaking missed.

 

Mynd claimed Dreamer and says there IS scum between Dap, Wombat, and Despo.

 

How are we all not concentrating there right now?

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

He did?I might have missed it.

 

This makes it all the more sweet. Dap is town and Des is totally town here. His case on Red was pretty good and genuine scum hunting.

 

Wombat is lock scum here.

[Tsukibana]

[v]Despothera[/v]

[Pralaya]

That is how Red would KNOW womby is town - Scum would not give an item to Town.

Really? Or Red and Wombat are both scum. Simplest explanation, really. Always works.

[Clovdyx]

Mynd, just so we're 100% clear, you are hardclaiming an investigative result that determined exactly one of Despot, Dap, and Wombat is not town.  Is that completely accurate?

[Nynaeve]

Wombat:  199 posts.

 

I've made the casing a bit more compact, due to amount of posts. I just realized at some point that there's no way I'm doing a complete post by post play of 8 pages of posts lol

 

Anyways.

 

 

Wombat starts off with a couple of fluff posts. Declares himself  lock clear villager by post 3. Places a vote on me, saying I'm rand mafia in his opinion. He points out that the game is weird, that Cory is coming off scummy and that Dap and Darthe are coming off townie. In retrospect, wrong about Cory, right about Darthe. Tells Cory he doesn't care about his meta and that he doesn't like his lolcory moments. Gets a bit aggro with him. He defends RTE and says that in his opinion RTE's OP is null. I've agreed with this, myself. He notes Cory getting rustles over him FOSing Cory. Then comes a series of back and forth with Cory, where he accuses Cory of flipping out at being FOSed. The argument takes a childish 'No u' turn pretty quickly lol  When asked why he thinks the game is being weird, Wombat says that everyone is buddying and not doing much to move the game (this is said like 24 hours into the game). Generally keeps calling Cory out for overreacting to being called scummy. Then he asks Cory what's his read on me and Des. Not really sure why he was particularly interested on his read on us. Seemed a bit random. Then he professes a provisional town lean on Darthe. More exchanges between him and Cory about him overreacting. Gets a bit aggro. Keeps telling Cory he has to calm down.

 

LOL's as Len gets silenced. Some joking around with Des with joke FOSing. More arguing with Cory and calling him emo. Then he asks for a VC and says he's kinda going back and forth between Cory and Des. Seems a bit odd, considering the interaction with Des seemed playful up until now. He says he wants to hear people talk more. That he "feels like leaving Cory alive for now". Ping. He accuses Des of being a brazen scum. Again, a little weird for me that he jumped from playful to full out proclaiming Des to be scum. Then he puts his money where his mouth is, unvotes and votes Des. Considering the time and energy he put into his little face off with Cory, I'm really surprised that his vote ended up going to Des.

 

He lols at Des mentioning Darthe as lock clear town, after he showed his behind. Not sure why he thought it was funny. He himself had a townie read on Darthe earlier. He reinstates that Despo is scum and that RTE, Dawn and Darthe are spewed town. A couple more aggro wtf is your problem with Cory. Then he mentions in passing that Tommy did appear howtrolling to him before. No mention of it in his posts though. But he thinks that it should be left alone for now and that it's better off to go after lock scum Des. This is the second time he puts people he considers scummy on the back burner, to go after Des, the king of scum!. Seems quite anxious to get him lynched. He explains why he intially pushed Cory because of the whole Spurrs talk with Des. He seems convinced one of the two is scum. But then he says that Des' WIM has increased considerably since Cory has been pushed, which made him shift to Des. Fair enough. Then he claimed Des got FROZEN. When asked for his two tops suspects, he says Des and Tommy. He tells Darthe he needs his help to push a Des lynch. Rebuts all of Des' posts by saying he's scum and lol's.

 

He agrees with Pral that Dap might be hiding behind his meta. Most posts of referring to Des' posts as word vomit and takes a general mocking tone without ever bothering to respond to what Des is saying. Agrees with Darthe that Red is towntelling. Calls Despo's post gross, tells him to stop trying to AtE, calls him a dolt, criticizes him for saying honestly twice in a sentence (lol). Gets needlessly aggro, imo. Tommy starts the whole 'play better' speeches at this point. Wombat completely disregards him. He defends Red saying that Des going after her is unwarranted. He goes at Des getting all worked up about Tommy trying to appeal to him while voting for him. Wombat suggests putting more votes on Des. Critisizes Des and says he gets fixated about his reads.

 

At this point there's a shift in the interaction between Tommy and Wombat. Wombat asks Tommy what his read on Des is. He tells Tommy he can trust him barring a recruitment. He says that lately Tommy has been towntelling. What can I say? Love is in the air. He adds that Des seemed pretty scummy, but that he's starting to look more like a psychotic townie. This is the first time that I've seen where Wombat is willing to go back from putting Des in his lockscum list. He asks Darthe for a Des read. Des asks Wombat why he's trying to appeal to someone he considers to be scum. Wombat replies that he has appealed to people he considers scum before and that the responses helped. Okay. Once Mynd dishes out his read list, Wombat says some of it is bad, some of it is good and questions Mynd regarding his RTE and Dap read, asking him if he thinks RTE was bussing.

 

More bla bla with Des. He disses Des' top scum list (Red, Wombat, Tommy, RTE) and says he has, at most, one scum in that list. Defends RTE and says he thinks he's lynchbait. Mentions that Des' WoTs full of nothing is a scum tell. Keeps mocking Des. Eggs Tommy on to mock Des. A lot of unnecessary ridiculing of Des, imo. He keeps flip flopping from having a scum read on tommy, to seeming villagery, but still pointing out he's top tier wolf so you never know. Looks to be that he can't seem to make up his mind and take a stance on him. Points out again that RTE is towntelling. More mocking. One moment he's laughing with Tommy and egging him on to rip Des a new one, the other he's suspicious of him.

 

Mynd raises a theory about Dap possibly knowing something more about Len being silenced. Wombat calls Mynd out on it and says it's obvious what happened to Len from the context, in his opinion. Then suddenly, he unvotes and votes Dap, claiming he's hiding behind competing trains meta and general sliminess. I find this vote odd. He's been spending days riding Tom and Des, only to revert to Dap who he has hardly mentioned. He says he's up for a Dap lynch because everyone is reading him as scum, except Des, which is a good sign. Jumps at Vos' throat when Vos points out that he doesn't get why Wombat was accusing Des of being AtE.

 

Next, Wombat agrees with Mynd about Tommy overplaying scum hunting and buddying up people. So it's back to thinking Tommy is scummy. Then he brings up Tommy giving a lockscum read on Cory early on, saying it was gross. Calls Tommy's read list garbage. Lock clears Darthe (like the third time he does lol). Unvotes, votes Tommy. He says that as soon as Tommy stopped arguing with Des, he started scumtelling again. He does some Tommy dissing and some more dissing of his reads. Then he dares Tommy to have a scum read on someone other than Dap. I don't get what the big deal is here. Wombat himself has a scum read on Dap, but he drops him to juggle tommy again.

 

Suddenly he cuts out the mocking crap with Des and legit asks him if he has any other scum reads that aren't associative other than Tommy. When RTE tries to explain his early reveal, he calls it dumb. There's a general air of misplaced hostility towards everyone, even RTE who he has constantly townread throughout the game. This is around the time Des says on thread that he asked for a replacement. Wombat gets really rustled and tells him to get over himself. Loves on Darthe a bit more. Asks Darthe to assume control. In retrospect possibly because he doesn't want to assume responsibility of a mislynch. Defends RTE  from Darthe. Says on thread, again, that Darthe is his strongest town read. Apparently he want this KNOWN and engraved in our memory forever more. Then out of the blue he says RTE is playing a lot bolder than he usually does. Mmmmm. Soon after he turns on RTE and says he's being emo and AtE. Tells Red to drop it when she's going after Darthe. When Darthe casts a vote on RTE, Wombat says he doesn't like it. More tommy nudging and mocking plus telling Red again to stop getting her panties in a bunch over stuff. I believe it had to do with Darthe bringing up fishy things about Lenlo, while Lenlo is unable to respond.

 

He congratulates a point Des made about RTE ignoring the possibility that Darthe might be scum. Funny, coming from someone who's been town clearing Darthe in his sleep, but okay lol. Then he goes back to dissing Des  and his reasoning LOL  Moves on to dissing Tommy. Says Tommy is going after Dap because he's an easy lynch, even though Wombat himself was going after Des earlier as well. I would assume, for good reasons, right? He also doesn't like Tommy going after Darthe. Later on he chimes in that he started a train on Dap that Tommy followed up on after rereading and realizing that Dap is scummy. He seems to suggest that Tommy was trying to use Dap as a scapegoat. Wombat defends Dap in his back and forth with Tom. More dissess at Tommy's reads. Lock clears Vos. More Tommy mocking. Gets very aggro at this point. Then it's back to pure mock mode. Pointing out that Tommy's read list stinks... again. More soft defending of Dap's inactivity. In reply to Tommy he says "Nice try, but dumping at Des to look town ain't gonna work." So he has a town lean on Des now? Who knows! He gets bored pretty soon and goes back to his new hobby: dissing Tommy. And MOAR.

 

He quotes Mynd and says he doesn't like his comment about the DT being funny with Cory and Tom in it, that it's like a foreshadowing of tommy flipping town. But he gets over it pretty soon and goes back to making fun of Tommy *laughs* More about how opportunistic tommy's read list is. He gets annoyed at RTE later on for self voting.Once Tommy is gone, he's back to riding Des xD  He gets mad at Red's reaction to the whole troll fest.

 

 

 

 

I'm not loving what I'm seeing here. I do expect TownWombat to be fluid and not lock himself into a specific mindset. But his constant read hopping bugs me. Half the time I couldn't really keep up with his current read list because it would constantly change dramatically, as if he he doesn't want to commit to anything to not be held accountable. He's been more than willing to let Darthe take the lead. That doesn't sit well with me either. He's been unnecessarily aggressive, dismissive and downright rude, when it was quite obvious that he wasn't with agreement with some people. He didn't need that attitude to get his point across. I love Wombat's quips and sarcasm, but I'm not seeing it here. I see serious trolling and misplaced aggro, which is what I've come to expect from ScumWombat.

 

 

 

Vote Wombat

 

[nervositee]

Catching up. I just had to add - while I'm catching up... I feel like people are talking about me over my head. Not sure if I like it or if it triggers my paranoia.

[Myndrunner]

Mynd, just so we're 100% clear, you are hardclaiming an investigative result that determined exactly one of Despot, Dap, and Wombat is not town.  Is that completely accurate?

 

At least one is scum.

[Clovdyx]

 

Mynd, just so we're 100% clear, you are hardclaiming an investigative result that determined exactly one of Despot, Dap, and Wombat is not town.  Is that completely accurate?

 

At least one is scum.

 

 

Fair enough.  I will [v]Unvote[/v] and [v]Vote Wombat[/v] then.  Despot came across as town when dealing with Tommy, and I think his case on Red seems genuine.  There is nothing inherently wrong with linking players together, as this isn't vacuum mafia, and I really don't understand how she could say he was wrong - not really because of Despot's "You shouldn't be saying I'm wrong, you should be saying I'm scum", but how would she know?  Barring something new coming up, I won't be lynching him.

 

Still not 100% sold on Dap, but I'll gamble on Wombat being scum over Lenlo's case being a bus vote.

[Red2111]

list right now

 

lockclear

 

 

Wombat

 

 

 

 

lean town

 

 

 

RTE

Mynd (for now and pending vetting)

 

 

 

 

null - the needs to post more gang

 

 

 

Dawn

Dap

Clov

Halia

 

 

 

 

lean scum

 

 

 

TGI - went from null to lean scum for his current hardcore fishing

nyn - soft defense of Despo on thread

vos - wolfiest of the scumlean pile but not enough for lockscum yet

 

 

 

Scum Pasta Salad

 

 

 

Tsuki - reasons already stated

Pral - went from null to scum for harcore lurking and the posts above

Despo - too many to list

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If scum did self silence it's perfect for Lenlo to vote a teammate early on like that.

 

That doesn't even make sense. If you are trying to distance, getting silenced isn't the best way. How is it perfect? It was clear Len was trying to push the dap train.

 

 

Lenlo was frozen because of saying Hastur three times.  I am sure of it.  I don't think Lenlo knew what to expect when he did it, let alone be frozen.  If Lenlo was pushing the Dap train, then that is one thing.  If he just casually voted him without much of a push, then I would call it distancing.

 

 

Well, that's what I am saying. He didn't casually push him. He actually made a case on him and then voted. Which is why it looks like a train-push.

 

i dislike how sure you are that it wasn't distancing between the two. perhaps you have info that we dont?

 

 

That is how Red would KNOW womby is town - Scum would not give an item to Town.

Really? Or Red and Wombat are both scum. Simplest explanation, really. Always works.

 

if is was scum

 

 

a - i wouldn't have put my but on the line to clear wombat like that

 

b - i would have kept quiet and used a lynch on him as a gambit

 

c - i wouldn't have clarified i wasn't the finder to try and bait a CC out of the real finder

 

 

so that leaves

 

d - ur scum and trying to push people off your scummates lynch

 

 

despo today & pral tomorrow

 

(yo Despo, NOW i'm setting up lynches)

[Clovdyx]

list right now

 

lockclear

 

 

Wombat

 

 

 

 

lean town

 

 

 

RTE

Mynd (for now and pending vetting)

 

 

 

 

null - the needs to post more gang

 

 

 

Dawn

Dap

Clov

Halia

 

 

 

 

lean scum

 

 

 

TGI - went from null to lean scum for his current hardcore fishing

nyn - soft defense of Despo on thread

vos - wolfiest of the scumlean pile but not enough for lockscum yet

 

 

 

Scum Pasta Salad

 

 

 

Tsuki - reasons already stated

Pral - went from null to scum for harcore lurking and the posts above

Despo - too many to list

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If scum did self silence it's perfect for Lenlo to vote a teammate early on like that.

 

That doesn't even make sense. If you are trying to distance, getting silenced isn't the best way. How is it perfect? It was clear Len was trying to push the dap train.

 

 

Lenlo was frozen because of saying Hastur three times.  I am sure of it.  I don't think Lenlo knew what to expect when he did it, let alone be frozen.  If Lenlo was pushing the Dap train, then that is one thing.  If he just casually voted him without much of a push, then I would call it distancing.

 

 

Well, that's what I am saying. He didn't casually push him. He actually made a case on him and then voted. Which is why it looks like a train-push.

 

i dislike how sure you are that it wasn't distancing between the two. perhaps you have info that we dont?

 

 

That is how Red would KNOW womby is town - Scum would not give an item to Town.

Really? Or Red and Wombat are both scum. Simplest explanation, really. Always works.

 

if is was scum

 

 

a - i wouldn't have put my but on the line to clear wombat like that

 

b - i would have kept quiet and used a lynch on him as a gambit

 

c - i wouldn't have clarified i wasn't the finder to try and bait a CC out of the real finder

 

 

so that leaves

 

d - ur scum and trying to push people off your scummates lynch

 

 

despo today & pral tomorrow

 

(yo Despo, NOW i'm setting up lynches)

 

 

I don't know what's worse - that you're using a "I can't be scum, because if I WAS scum, I would have done this" argument OR that you're concluding he MUST be scum because he's suspicious over you.

[Red2111]

i'm not concluding he's scum because he's suspicious of me, thats a normal response to me regardless of alignment.

 

 

i'm concluding hes scum cause of how hard he's pushing against Despos lynch and because he's basically lockclearing Dap due to Len. he's acting like he know s100% it wasn't team mate distancing and i dont buy that.

 

i made it rather clear why i was FoSing him o.o

[nervositee]

We lost Tommy, but Got Lenlo - Even night. We are only down 1 town, due to Cory's BS.

By analyzing who pushed at Tommy, then made the mid-train votes (where I feel scum should be), and then compare to who takes me down, it should really narrow things down.

just just aren't paying attention, like at all, eve to the simpliest of things.

 

DARTHE AND LEN were shot last night. TOMMY WAS LYNCHED.

 

WERE DOWN 2 TOWNIES

 

 

I just found this too precious not to comment on.

 

Cory flipped town

 

WERE DOWN 3 TOWNIES.

 

Focus.

[Myndrunner]

Red, is the basis for you being 100% on Wombat being town related ONLY because he gave you a gift?  Or is there more to this?  That alone should not 100% clear him.

[Red2111]

@ Vos - i was using Tsuki's "even night logic"

 

by his logic - "we lost darthe, but got Len - even night. we're only down 2 townies, due to cory's BS"

 

 

the above is the same as the bolded statement but i changed the italics

[Myndrunner]

[Red2111]

Red, is the basis for you being 100% on Wombat being town related ONLY because he gave you a gift?  Or is there more to this?  That alone should not 100% clear him.

*sighs* yes

 

and yes it does clear him imo for the exact reasons that have been pointed out.

 

 

if womabt was scum he wouldn't have gifted to me, he'd have gifted it to a scumate instead. its a s simple as that and its the best thing i can personally get to clear someone on aside from a finders report.

[Clovdyx]

i'm not concluding he's scum because he's suspicious of me, thats a normal response to me regardless of alignment.

 

 

i'm concluding hes scum cause of how hard he's pushing against Despos lynch and because he's basically lockclearing Dap due to Len. he's acting like he know s100% it wasn't team mate distancing and i dont buy that.

 

i made it rather clear why i was FoSing him o.o

 

Are you and I reading the same thread?

 

 

 

I'd like to point something out apparently everybody has freaking missed.

 

Mynd claimed Dreamer and says there IS scum between Dap, Wombat, and Despo.

 

How are we all not concentrating there right now?

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

He did?I might have missed it.

 

This makes it all the more sweet. Dap is town and Des is totally town here. His case on Red was pretty good and genuine scum hunting.

 

Wombat is lock scum here.

 

 

 

That is how Red would KNOW womby is town - Scum would not give an item to Town.

Really? Or Red and Wombat are both scum. Simplest explanation, really. Always works.

 

 

He's said all of five words towards/about Despot since yesterday.  He made it very clear where he stands on Despot's alignment, yes.  But I don't see him exactly jumping up and down accusing anybody who finds Des suspicious as scum.  IMO you are GREATLY overexaggerating how much resistance he's put up. 

[Myndrunner]

 

Red, is the basis for you being 100% on Wombat being town related ONLY because he gave you a gift?  Or is there more to this?  That alone should not 100% clear him.

*sighs* yes

 

and yes it does clear him imo for the exact reasons that have been pointed out.

 

 

if womabt was scum he wouldn't have gifted to me, he'd have gifted it to a scumate instead. its a s simple as that and its the best thing i can personally get to clear someone on aside from a finders report.

 

 

It doesn't 100% clear him though because, and I mean this with all the love and respect I have for you, he knows you are a pitbull and, like me, tend to take things and run with them.  It is possible, however improbable, that he was counting on you reaching this conclusion and YOLO gifted you not expecting Lenlo to perish. 

 

I am really starting to feel like I'm wasting my time here.

[nervositee]

That is how Red would KNOW womby is town - Scum would not give an item to Town.

 

Uuuuuhm. Not liking the point, nor that it was made by you and not Red directly. Did you come up with that all by yourself?

 

 

That is how Red would KNOW womby is town - Scum would not give an item to Town.

Really? Or Red and Wombat are both scum. Simplest explanation, really. Always works.

 

 

Well, it's an option. It's a bit too obvious buddying to be. But that might excatly be just that. WIFOM, u know.

 

I think a smart scum would give it to a townie actually. It's like a private buddying move. And hey, it might have worked, Red got an item from Wombat and is now HARDCORE defending him. To use that as a towntell is stretching it, to LOCKTOWNOMGZ is ridiculous. If I'm right and Wombat is scum, he is laughing his ass off from Red and Tsan doing his defending for him, making themselves look worse in the process.

[Myndrunner]

If someone gave me a gift, I wouldn't place them 100% town unless I was nearly there to begin with.  Still, I wouldn't put it past them to be doing exactly that.   If I was scum, knowing that the receiver knows who sent it, I would totally YOLO gift a townie....especially if that townie tends to act like a bull in a china shop. 

[Tsukibana]

 

That is how Red would KNOW womby is town - Scum would not give an item to Town.

 

Uuuuuhm. Not liking the point, nor that it was made by you and not Red directly. Did you come up with that all by yourself?

 

 

That is how Red would KNOW womby is town - Scum would not give an item to Town.

Really? Or Red and Wombat are both scum. Simplest explanation, really. Always works.

 

 

Well, it's an option. It's a bit too obvious buddying to be. But that might excatly be just that. WIFOM, u know.

 

I think a smart scum would give it to a townie actually. It's like a private buddying move. And hey, it might have worked, Red got an item from Wombat and is now HARDCORE defending him. To use that as a towntell is stretching it, to LOCKTOWNOMGZ is ridiculous. If I'm right and Wombat is scum, he is laughing his ass off from Red and Tsan doing his defending for him, making themselves look worse in the process.

 

Bite me.

 

I am defending no-one.

[Myndrunner]