[Standard] - Hitchhiker's Game to the Galaxy - Game Over

[hazelkrs1]

Alright got the quotes grabbed I wanted.

 

AJ can go towards null for now. At the very least I didn't see anything overtly scummy from him in the past few pages.

 

Mish looks town to me. Got a couple of good mindmelds from her, and her tone looked spot on for her town meta in a few posts.

 

Thane is acting WAY too green and overplaying the nub card. Seen him say multiple times how he doesn't know how to read people this game... Yet in another recent game he was much more I'm over his head but still put in a lot more effort to actually scumhunt.

 

Leelou still looks like obvscum to me. Hallia looks worse for voting along with her on Mish.

[hazelkrs1]

Any reason why you didn't mention Mish at all, Des? She had a pretty bad bandwagon vote as well.

Mish looks town and your vote on her was incredibly opportunistic and scummy.

[Lazy]

So just because i dont openly drae atttention to the fact i am drawing up lists and checking them twice. Im always trying to find who is naughty and nice. I dont need to share just yet. If i see something really worth sharing that is worth risking my neck over i will post it. D1 is always a poopfest i have noticed. There is posturing and namecalling.

Or maybe i dont live in this game and if you kill a townie be it on your head.

 

Im not ranting just splaining my style. Yall have never seen me play before part from verb. Maybe dice but cant remember.

 

Tickle me pink and call me the king this is the longest post i have done. :)

[Lazy]

P.s. nyn is definately naughty but in a good townie way. Rawr

[Leelou]

 

Any reason why you didn't mention Mish at all, Des? She had a pretty bad bandwagon vote as well.

Mish looks town and your vote on her was incredibly opportunistic and scummy.

 

 

My vote on her is for her complete overreaction to me saying she might have a PR. Other people before me had mentioned possible PR's with Tina and BFG. I wasn't calling her scum or even FoSing her. So no, it's not opportunistic. You can try to paint it anyway you want though, since in your world Leelou is scum. 

[Leelou]

 

 

[v]Leelou[/v]

 

?

 

Not feeling it. We should try something else.

 

 

Why are you responding to Verbs vote but not Tina's?

 

Well, if you had followed our conversation, we were joking about our meta right before then. No reason to comment on Tina's vote since I had joke voted her first. 

[Leelou]

What is the vote count? 

[Nynaeve]

P.s. nyn is definately naughty but in a good townie way. Rawr

 

 

 

Des, the only time I ever got nightkilled N1 was when I was hydra with tommy lol

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Nynaeve]

Seen enough from Cory to make me more comfortable with him being town, but I'm not a big fan of his opinion of me this game. He says we're not on the same page so that doesn't look good- and yet the stuff that we're not on the same page on... well he's the one that's wrong, not me. For instance we're not on the same page regarding Leelou. Well, his reasoning for thinking Leelou town (that she was interested in figuring things out) was already poked at and prodded by players other than me, and shown to pretty much not be true.

 

Cory, I'm town. I will also often have an unpopular opinion- but also I have a bit more experience with some of these players still so if we're not on the same page, you should maybe consider what that means for YOUR reads instead of thinking that I could be scum. If you ARE town as well Cory, stop trying to waffle or hedge on your read on me and friggin see me for the awesome townie I am. Or else don't, and try and come @ me. Leaving the door open to fos me later will only keep me from trusting you more this game, which means if you are town then we won't be able to accomplish as much together.

 

 

This post bugs me.

 

First of all don't turn this into a black or white thing. Just because you and Cory don't see eye to eye doesn't mean that one of you is scum and the other is town. It could be that you're both townies that think differently. This isn't a f**king competition to see who's right and who's wrong. Drop the 'tude. We're trying to get scum, not to shine up your ego or Cory's.

 

"I'm right and you're wrong" statements won't get you anywhere. It just makes you look like a child. And possibly drag us into town lynching town and doing the work for scum as they sit to the side laughing their asses off.

 

Bottom line is, you could be wrong (god knows you have been before). Or you could be absolutely right. Case people and let those cases stand for themselves. If you are on to something then it will show through that. And if you're making sense, people will follow. And I'm sure Cory will be the first one to admit he was wrong if it turns out that you were right. So cut the crap.

 

With much love,

 

 

 

Nyn

[Thane Vakarian]

Apologies for me not being my active self, i have some RL things i need to take care of and they take more time than i figured.

 

I will try to reread through everything and post something a bit more constructive later on

[Leelou]

UNOFFICIAL Vote count 

Leelou: 3 - Despo, Dice, Mish
Verbal: 1 - Lazy
Dice: 3 - Clov, RTE, Nyn
Mish: 2 - Leelou, Hally
Pral: 1 - AJ
 
Not voting: Cory, BFG, Tina, Thane, Pray, Verbal

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch
 
Deadline Saturday 7 pm GMT - Day 1 deadline

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

Any reason why you didn't mention Mish at all, Des? She had a pretty bad bandwagon vote as well.

Mish looks town and your vote on her was incredibly opportunistic and scummy.

 

 

My vote on her is for her complete overreaction to me saying she might have a PR. Other people before me had mentioned possible PR's with Tina and BFG. I wasn't calling her scum or even FoSing her. So no, it's not opportunistic. You can try to paint it anyway you want though, since in your world Leelou is scum. 

 

 

Can you AtE a bit more Leelou? I think there are still a couple of heartstrings you haven't tried to yank on yet

 

And your vote WAS opportunistic, and I will go into a little more detail as to WHY it was in a moment

 

 

Seen enough from Cory to make me more comfortable with him being town, but I'm not a big fan of his opinion of me this game. He says we're not on the same page so that doesn't look good- and yet the stuff that we're not on the same page on... well he's the one that's wrong, not me. For instance we're not on the same page regarding Leelou. Well, his reasoning for thinking Leelou town (that she was interested in figuring things out) was already poked at and prodded by players other than me, and shown to pretty much not be true.

 

Cory, I'm town. I will also often have an unpopular opinion- but also I have a bit more experience with some of these players still so if we're not on the same page, you should maybe consider what that means for YOUR reads instead of thinking that I could be scum. If you ARE town as well Cory, stop trying to waffle or hedge on your read on me and friggin see me for the awesome townie I am. Or else don't, and try and come @ me. Leaving the door open to fos me later will only keep me from trusting you more this game, which means if you are town then we won't be able to accomplish as much together.

 

 

This post bugs me.

 

First of all don't turn this into a black or white thing. Just because you and Cory don't see eye to eye doesn't mean that one of you is scum and the other is town. It could be that you're both townies that think differently. This isn't a f**king competition to see who's right and who's wrong. Drop the 'tude. We're trying to get scum, not to shine up your ego or Cory's.

 

"I'm right and you're wrong" statements won't get you anywhere. It just makes you look like a child. And possibly drag us into town lynching town and doing the work for scum as they sit to the side laughing their asses off.

 

Bottom line is, you could be wrong (god knows you have been before). Or you could be absolutely right. Case people and let those cases stand for themselves. If you are on to something then it will show through that. And if you're making sense, people will follow. And I'm sure Cory will be the first one to admit he was wrong if it turns out that you were right. So cut the crap.

 

With much love,

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

That wasn't me copping a 'tude @ Cory- not at all. And I never insinuated that one of us HAS to be scum, that'ds ridiculous. I'm town and I recently said he seemed >rand to be town as well.

 

I just don't like him hedging on his read on me so much. It's making it so I can't trust him, I can't add him to my true POE. Cory and I can be VURRRY effective when we're both town and work together; however if I can't clear him because he's waffling on me so much, well then the chance of wrecking the scum team with a nice power town circle goes down.

 

It behooves everyone if he chooses how he wants to go about treating me, instead of sitting on the fence about it. If he chooses that I'm >rand to be scum, then he can case me, and I can use that to try and determine his alignment better AND help broadcast my own towniness by responding to his case. If he chooses that I'm >rand to be town, or even LOCK CLEAR, and it looks genuine, well then we can start #wrecking. Using all the non-committal language he's been using however, will just kinda lead to more confusion and working harder to clear stuff up that mebbe should have been more clear from the start.

[csarmi]

Mod note: as there are no vote shenanigans, feel free to give unofficial vc's.

 

I see Leelou gave one already. Tx

[Nynaeve]

That wasn't me copping a 'tude @ Cory- not at all. And I never insinuated that one of us HAS to be scum, that'ds ridiculous. I'm town and I recently said he seemed >rand to be town as well.

 

I just don't like him hedging on his read on me so much. It's making it so I can't trust him, I can't add him to my true POE. Cory and I can be VURRRY effective when we're both town and work together; however if I can't clear him because he's waffling on me so much, well then the chance of wrecking the scum team with a nice power town circle goes down.

 

It behooves everyone if he chooses how he wants to go about treating me, instead of sitting on the fence about it. If he chooses that I'm >rand to be scum, then he can case me, and I can use that to try and determine his alignment better AND help broadcast my own towniness by responding to his case. If he chooses that I'm >rand to be town, or even LOCK CLEAR, and it looks genuine, well then we can start #wrecking. Using all the non-committal language he's been using however, will just kinda lead to more confusion and working harder to clear stuff up that mebbe should have been more clear from the start.

 

 

lol First of all, you really need to stop using the word waffling. I'm on a diet and it's making me drool :P

 

Secondly, you're saying it's not a tude but you going all "Well I'm obviously right and Cory is obviously wrong, neener neener" then it comes across silly (SCORE, finally managed to use neener in a sentence \m/).

 

So bottom line is.... what bugs you is that Cory is on the fence in regards to his read on YOU? Cause I got the impression that it bugged you that you weren't on the same page in regards to general reads.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Leelou]

Slot01 - Cory - slightly leery for his reasons of clearing people, but since he's expanded on his reads a bit getting a town lean
Slot02 - BFG - Getting a null townie lean right now on BFG, I'd like her to comment on a few more players to see her reads. 
Slot03 - Clov - actively tried to get the game in gear, questioning reads, calling out what he sees, answering questions directed to him. town lean
Slot04 - Despo - too worried about what Cory thinks of him. Dragged in a personal conversation for his case against me, only looking at my posts in a scum light, feels like he's not fully scum hunting. Relying too much on meta null to slight scum lean
Slot05 - Tina - All of her posts have read as town to me. She's asking questions and getting involved. town lean
Slot06 - Thane - Not enough game play yet. Solid null 
Slot07 - RTE - I have a tendency to read him as scum, I'm going to need more info and voting records to get a better read on him. null 
Slot08 - Andrej - AJ started off slow and more going with the flow, now he is starting to look better. Right now slight town lean. null to town
Slot09 - Lazy - actively posting, not taking a stance in any situation. Has a reads list, but doesn't want to post it because: Day 1. Awesome scum hunting can be done on day 1, so if you have something you'd be better off sharing it. null 
Slot10 - Nynaeve - actively taking part in all issues that come up, her posts are coming off with a town feel to them. If she's scum it will start to show in a couple days, but I doubt it at this point. town lean
Slot11 - Pralaya - has made no game content posts at all. Null to scum lean
Slot12 - Hallia - After going through Hallia's posts, I'm getting a town lean from her right now. She is actually jumping into the game and giving some leans. I know she sometimes was a bit confusing with her last couple of posts, but I get what she was saying. 
Slot13 - Dice - Horrible bandwagon post with bad reasoning for his voting. His further posting hasn't helped him. scum lean
Slot14 - Mish - over reactive, currently voting her. Had some weird reasoning about me trying to accuse her while she was asleep. I'm still not really sure how she is coming to the conclusion what I did about mentioning she might have a PR equals me FoSing her null to scum. Very well could be town since she has a tendency to get huffy, but I'd actually like to hear from her before I move her. 
Slot15 - Verbal - town
Slot16 - Leelou - town

[Cory Caboose]

Seen enough from Cory to make me more comfortable with him being town, but I'm not a big fan of his opinion of me this game. He says we're not on the same page so that doesn't look good- and yet the stuff that we're not on the same page on... well he's the one that's wrong, not me. For instance we're not on the same page regarding Leelou. Well, his reasoning for thinking Leelou town (that she was interested in figuring things out) was already poked at and prodded by players other than me, and shown to pretty much not be true.

 

Cory, I'm town. I will also often have an unpopular opinion- but also I have a bit more experience with some of these players still so if we're not on the same page, you should maybe consider what that means for YOUR reads instead of thinking that I could be scum. If you ARE town as well Cory, stop trying to waffle or hedge on your read on me and friggin see me for the awesome townie I am. Or else don't, and try and come @ me. Leaving the door open to fos me later will only keep me from trusting you more this game, which means if you are town then we won't be able to accomplish as much together.

Bro.

 

First, I mean, I know what I read. Just because other people don't think Leelou is "interested in figuring things out" doesn't mean it's not what I saw following her logic. If you are saying I LIED, then call me a liar. I'm glad you have the resolve to say I am just wrong but let's not pretend either of us has the game solved. I have given a list I think is pretty good with a good concentration of townies and good concentration of null-to-mafia. Fine if you disagree, but this is my process and I have been exceedingly transparent and the fact that I am anticonsensus on several reads has always been a bigger indicator I'm on the right track, at least from past experience.

 

Take your own advice on the waffling/hedging bit. I gave you townie points when you earned them and you've been in my green pile - I've also stated that us not agreeing isn't something I consider alignment-indicative. I have given you room to operate - threats from you and Verb that I "am not in the power town pile" or whatever isn't going to change my process. I am here to eradicate Mafia, not make arbitrary stances so I can be considered by YOU to be a power townie.

 

My alliance rules anyway.

[Cory Caboose]

Oh hai Nyn

[Nynaeve]

Oh hai Nyn

 

You said waffling >.<

 

 

<3 you still.

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Cory Caboose]

It behooves everyone if he chooses how he wants to go about treating me, instead of sitting on the fence about it. If he chooses that I'm >rand to be scum, then he can case me, and I can use that to try and determine his alignment better AND help broadcast my own towniness by responding to his case. If he chooses that I'm >rand to be town, or even LOCK CLEAR, and it looks genuine, well then we can start #wrecking. Using all the non-committal language he's been using however, will just kinda lead to more confusion and working harder to clear stuff up that mebbe should have been more clear from the start.

 

 

 

You've been in my green pile since you cased Leelou. Look at the game from my perspective - do you think I should be lock clearing you at this point? I have you as > rand to be town and out of my Day 1 POE. We actually agree on plenty of things, and I have been pretty vocal on how I feel.

 

And I do understand that as a villager you would probably want me to lock clear you.

 

Exercise some patience.

[Cory Caboose]

 

Oh hai Nyn

 

You said waffling >.<

 

 

<3 you still.

 

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

I can make pancakes too

 

LMK

[Cory Caboose]

Des - if you are saying that I'm discounting you or whatever, I would probably be throwing Leelou in my blue pile for her reads post because they make a great deal of sense to me but you've said enough to make me feel like I need to handle her extra carefully as a suspect

 

With that said, and for all this weird discussion about Mish (and what Leelou said in her reads is pretty dead-on), I don't think anyone has any reason to have her as anything but null. She said she'll get her thoughts out there and deserves the benefit of the doubt, but anyone reading into her grumpiness and saying it means anything alignment wise is fooling themselves or Mafia - Mish is LOCK GRUMPY. That's, you know, Mish, in her wonderful splendor

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

 

 

Nyn you've earned my due diligence (because ) and I read over Day of Arkham (the last game you were Mafia according to your list) and you were basically invisible that game

 

With that said, things are probably a little different for you with players like me in the game who try to drag out invisible players kicking and screaming :P

So, in your opinion, how do you think you would approach the game as Mafia with the sort of player's list we have now?

What makes you think I alter my style because of who's playing? Besides, I don't remember who were the players back in the Arkham game, but I'm sure they were equally competent to the ones in this game.

 

Generally speaking, In the times I rolled scum I tried to play as I do as town (not sure if I actually managed to, but that's what I was going for). I'm generally rather nervous and try to hide it.

 

I like rolling town better. I'm more comfortable in my own skin, so to speak.

 

 

 

Nyn

I don't know that I've ever seen you as scum, but this game you read as pretty town! (And pretty town too )

 

 

Uh oh, Pral/Hallia not clear yet

 

Looks like I'm mafia again

You can be town for now. Your entire tone was different last game, it was like playing with a Cory-Doppelganger, I didn't like it ; . ;

 

Suspicious of Mish right now, the whole sleep/time thing was a strange statement. There are people from tons of different time zones, and if that were true, how come she never defends me when I'm being attacked while at work? It works both ways.

 

Vote Mish

If there is any post I couldn't get out of my head yesterday it's this one

 

Was sweating all night tbh

[Verbal32]

Des - if you are saying that I'm discounting you or whatever, I would probably be throwing Leelou in my blue pile for her reads post because they make a great deal of sense to me but you've said enough to make me feel like I need to handle her extra carefully as a suspect

 

With that said, and for all this weird discussion about Mish (and what Leelou said in her reads is pretty dead-on), I don't think anyone has any reason to have her as anything but null. She said she'll get her thoughts out there and deserves the benefit of the doubt, but anyone reading into her grumpiness and saying it means anything alignment wise is fooling themselves or Mafia - Mish is LOCK GRUMPY. That's, you know, Mish, in her wonderful splendor

 

I LOL'ed.

 

 

I see Des and Cory going back and forth here, and then Nyn jumping in to defend her new BFF.  I actually side with Des on this (can't believe I just said that)......he isn't saying Cory is scum for being wrong, just that he knows people's meta here better and wants Cory to realize he could be wrong and Des could be right.  I seems like a reasonable statement, and I wasn't getting the impression Des was using it to accuse.

 

This type of conversation is inevitable with 2 people that have large egos.  I get it - mine is pretty huge, too.

 

 

 

 

 

That's what she said.  >_>

 

 

 

 

 

Joking aside, this strong stance by Des is a towntell.  I did much the same thing in questioning Cory's methods early on.  I don't know why you'd equate this to us "threatening" you, though.

[Verbal32]

 

Seen enough from Cory to make me more comfortable with him being town, but I'm not a big fan of his opinion of me this game. He says we're not on the same page so that doesn't look good- and yet the stuff that we're not on the same page on... well he's the one that's wrong, not me. For instance we're not on the same page regarding Leelou. Well, his reasoning for thinking Leelou town (that she was interested in figuring things out) was already poked at and prodded by players other than me, and shown to pretty much not be true.

 

Cory, I'm town. I will also often have an unpopular opinion- but also I have a bit more experience with some of these players still so if we're not on the same page, you should maybe consider what that means for YOUR reads instead of thinking that I could be scum. If you ARE town as well Cory, stop trying to waffle or hedge on your read on me and friggin see me for the awesome townie I am. Or else don't, and try and come @ me. Leaving the door open to fos me later will only keep me from trusting you more this game, which means if you are town then we won't be able to accomplish as much together.

Bro.

 

First, I mean, I know what I read. Just because other people don't think Leelou is "interested in figuring things out" doesn't mean it's not what I saw following her logic. If you are saying I LIED, then call me a liar. I'm glad you have the resolve to say I am just wrong but let's not pretend either of us has the game solved. I have given a list I think is pretty good with a good concentration of townies and good concentration of null-to-mafia. Fine if you disagree, but this is my process and I have been exceedingly transparent and the fact that I am anticonsensus on several reads has always been a bigger indicator I'm on the right track, at least from past experience.

 

Take your own advice on the waffling/hedging bit. I gave you townie points when you earned them and you've been in my green pile - I've also stated that us not agreeing isn't something I consider alignment-indicative. I have given you room to operate - threats from you and Verb that I "am not in the power town pile" or whatever isn't going to change my process. I am here to eradicate Mafia, not make arbitrary stances so I can be considered by YOU to be a power townie.

 

My alliance rules anyway.

 

 

A question on this - my memory of yesterday was that you were the first to offer a bunch of reads.  Being anti-consensus, to me, indicates that you'd be the one coming in and being the contrary one.  A few people have agreed with you, and a few have not.  I'm not quite understanding how this makes you the anti-consensus one.  I might not be remembering yesterday properly, though.....can you help me understand?

[hazelkrs1]

Gonna go ahead and spoiler this wall, has a lot of good stuff tho:

 

 

 

 

Mish, in no way am I saying a post restriction is scum indicative. Just saying that you might have one.

 
Here's what I thought when I read this post from Leelou (where she is defending herself from Mish): If a PR isn't in any way scum indicative, why waste so much effort in bringing them up, instead of offering thoughts on matters which COULD BE scum indicative?
 
This is basically worse than it first appeared, that Leelou was trying to keep focus on PR's as a way of nudging other lynch candidates: this is Leelou basically admitting outright that she was fake scumhunting.
 
Take a look @ Leelou's iso. Of her first 25 posts, 23 are fluff/spam, and 2 are gameplay oriented. One of those was prompted by Clov, in fact. In both gameplay posts, which are short posts btw, she mentions possible PR's. In the next 10-15, she starts complaining about people developing a serious read on her already, even right after she tells Cory he should have her as a stronger town read.
 
If mentioning the PR's had nothing to do with finding scum (even tho she mentions the PR's in the post answering Clov about who she would kill), then her behavior this game has pretty much been that of someone not concerned at all with trying to find scum. Leelou will fluff a bit as either alignment at the start of games, but as town I'd expect her to make at least SOME early effort to participate in the scumhunt.
 

 

I know that you are annoyed by it. Tell me why you asked Cory to make you blue even though you don´t want people to say that you are town.

 
I started to get bad vibes from him, he cleared me into a town lean too early when I wasn't really doing much. The asking for blue was to see what he would say. He also never answered if he was scum, just turned it on me saying it's a sad way to play.

 

 

 

 

Mish, in no way am I saying a post restriction is scum indicative. Just saying that you might have one.

 
And what exactly is the point of saying so? And why not follow up when people questioned it?
 
And why not wait until I got back to see how my posts was then? It's quite common that people geek out about a theme they love. I don't understand why you singled me out amongst the others.

 

 
Bold. So much bold.
 
And btw, this post screams town for Mish. The tone in her response, that annoyed emotional type feel Mish is famous for, with how quick and natural the response comes, is def some strong town points for Mish in my book.
 
It's not like errone was discussing PR's and Leelou decided to give her two cents or something- she was one of a very few to try and bring attention to possible PR's. And yet she says PR's are in no way scum indicative. Therefore.... wtf was she wasting her time bringing focus to that matter then?
 

 

Yeah, we are not seeing the game the same way, which is bad news bear tilting.

Leelou 360'd into orbit not long after my post, but her mix of waffling-on-being-townread to total paranoia and then agitation is generally more indicative of her being a villager. Don't love the votes on her.

As for the bold... The last game we were both villagers I hardcleared three players in like... 50 posts. Correctly, I might add. This worries me more - this is pretty much how I play and I don't believe you actually believe this is different for me. After 16 pages I had two strong villagers and three town leans - noting too that Leelou was/has never been on my blue list.

What do YOU think of Tina so far?

 
Don't like Dice's vote on her, Mish's seemed fine imo. Not only is she seeing the same kind of thing I am I believe, but it's also like Mish to be somewhat reactionary early on in games, like me part of how she builds early reads is seeing how others treat you.
 
And dude. Obv I have no problem with you building a good POE at the start of games, even with fast clears. You should know this. My point was that I thought you were specifically clearing Leelou and Tina too fast, and without good enough reason.
 
I don't think Leelou has seemed interested in figuring things out, I don't think she cares to try and add to the scumhunt, I think she had an opportunistic vote on Mish, all factors are generally pointing in the direction of her being scum this game. Her reaction to my case has not seemed genuine at all, it just seems like her trying to paint me as a bully instead of someone who is voting for someone they believe is scum. She's discrediting me, instead of trying to respond or see if I might be scum trying to get her mislynched.
 
As for Tina, the early Marvin quotes DID seem to seem like character hinting or something, and I thought town!Tina to be too smart to character hint a main character so it seemed like she could possibly be scum trying to subtly character fish (she of course could always later say she wasn't actually claiming to be Marvin, but if she was scum she could judge reactions to her Marvin quotes to see if she could find the right one.
 
However, since then I think she was just genuinely really into the theme and that particular character, cause who isn't that read the books (he's like HHGG's Tyrion lol), and wasn't thinking how her quotes could actually be more of a distraction, cause she has posted some townie looking posts. For instance, she was open about being on the fence about Leelou, her indecision seemed genuine. Other points she's made have been good (I think she said something about Dice that made sense).
 

The votes from Dice and Mish feel like sheep votes from Des. It's the first "case" with all his pretty words and they jumped on it. I'm not comfortable with Des at all, but that might just be personal feelings coming into play so I'm not going to be much help reading him.

 
Dyawwwwwwhhhh!!!
 
My words are purdy!
 
             
 

well, usually i tend to stay quite loose. After all, this is a game and shouldn't become an obsession, right?
 
I don't know a lot of players in this game, so it's hard to read people from previous gameplays (and vice-versa, i imagine). I'm not a big fan of huge walls of text, but i'll try to get my thoughts in a couple of lines. My playtime is limited to the time i have at home, since DM is blocked by my employer, but i follow the game through notifications at my work.
 
For Des's post about Leelou, i get the impression that he wants to build a case on her, and some people followed. If their thoughts are genuine, or just sheepvotes to get a train started, i'll have to see in the progress of the game. I do find dice's general posting a bit off, so i'll see if he posts a bit more so i can make up my mind about him. Feeling somewhat uncertain about Des too, but D1 is still young, and i will follow the progress with great interest.
 
I see a lot of posts from the same players, but would like to see some more from the not-so-active ones. I generally think that inactivity on D1 can be more or less ok, after that, you get higher on my little radar for possible hiding scum.

 
First bold: This becomes a common theme for Thane this game- to sheepishly admit to seeming difficulty reading others. I never saw this kind of timid behavior from town!Thane in that one game (not when he was scumhydra with Amega or w/e, one before that he was town.... gah)
 
Italics: Seems to be dropping out the same things Leelou is trying to have town believe. That I just "want" to see Leelou as scum. That everyone else voting her could be sheep. Toting the scum line here, folks.
 
Underlined: More non-committal language about me. Yay.
 
Second bold: Obligatory reference to looking at inactives, a hallmark of newer scum players.
 

[unvote]
 
[v]Mish[/v]
 
She got very jumpy over no pressure whatsoever, plus I don't like her vote on me. 

 

 
Very jumpy? For Mish, this is nothing, and you know it. This was you using simplistic phrasing to make it seem more true. And she wasn't responding to pressure, she voted YOU because she found some of the same inconsistencies that I saw in your play. She herself pointed out how she hadn't hinted at a PR in any way, and was just geeking out on the theme, cause well, the theme is awesome. She wasn't the only one to do so. So Leelou mentioning her having a possible PR COULD look arbitrary from Mish's pov.
 
And what don't you like about her vote on you? That it's on you? So why couldn't she just be wrong?
 
Seriously, just saying you don't like something like that, without inferring in any way WHY you don't like it, is well, pretty scummy.
 

I actually agree with Nyn on AJ as well. He's been going with the flow and not really turning over any rocks and digging anything out.

 
Scummy parrot/nudge imo.
 

(A post from Nyn)

I don't know that I've ever seen you as scum, but this game you read as pretty town!  (And pretty town too )

(a post from Cory)

You can be town for now.  Your entire tone was different last game, it was like playing with a Cory-Doppelganger, I didn't like it ; . ;
 
Suspicious of Mish right now, the whole sleep/time thing was a strange statement.  There are people from tons of different time zones, and if that were true, how come she never defends me when I'm being attacked while at work?  It works both ways.
 
Vote Mish

 
Hallia buddies two people unanimously read as town ftmp, then throws out what looks to me like an opportunistic vote on Mish. Her reasoning looks almost policy-oriented, like she's not saying why Mish saying that makes her scum, just that it makes her a hypocrite or something.
 

I bolded the sections I want to reply to. Firstly, you asked for general impressions. I give you general impressions, and then you complain about them lol. Whatever though - there wasn't a ton to really dig into at that point in the game so I told you where my head was at. I have also expanded on a few things that FishDyx asked me to explain more thoroughly, did you miss those?
 
As far as Verb's tone goes, it didn't seem off to me. Just because he admitted to it and after you pointed it out doesn't really say anything about me - so you listing all the possibilities for it when the end result of the action itself was null reads as overdone.

 
Meh, more aggro from Nyn. I stated prior to writing all this stuff that I was feeling pretty lazy and unmotivated due to finals, so sue me that I didn't expound on everything as deeply as you might have liked. I was behind in the thread, so as I was catching up I pulled quotes for topics that I had noticed similarly/agreed with. Again, sue me. To say that I haven't offered any original content and that my summary post was pointless is patently false. My statements have been somewhat general, sure, but I have pointed at things that have stood out to me. If you aren't able to see what is being inferred by my pointing out of said things, that's on you. Read better I guess? There is actually a lot being said in that post. I'll make it concise so you can see the conclusions more easily.
 
Nyn - more abrasive than I remember her being. Not a scum lean, somewhat troubling though.
 
Des - null. Had pushed a few people at the time without much explanation, waiting for more.
 
RTE - weird tone in his OP, felt overdone/fake/put-on/whatever adjective you want to use for ingenuine. Soft scum lean
 
Dice - Didn't like his 'hi, bye' post that I pointed out after Despo did. Should be able to read him better soon. null
 
FishDyx - foreign to me. can follow his thought process but reads rather objectively - cautious null read
 
As for the last post, I don't need to MQ Lazy's posts to make statements about him. What's even the point of you mentioning that? He was added as an afterthought because he had recently checked into the game at the time. He entered in a relaxed and joking manner, which isn't something I would attest to a returning mafia player after a long period of time away from the game if he had rolled scum - hence: probtown
 
Again - the conclusions are there. If your issue is that I'm not explaining myself well enough then ask me for clarification. Attacking me with the 'fake scumhunting' line, however, especially when there are many more players who haven't contributed much as of yet, isn't going to sit well with me.
 
I think what it boils down to is that you are comparing me this game to RW, which is fine from a meta standpoint and a positive thing for you to notice it, but as I've said - finals have got me feeling pretty burned out. I'll pick it up as the game progresses but for now don't fault me for slow playing it.

 

 
Chopped out a good chunk of this wot, but kept the parts I felt the most relevant. Generally get a town feel on AJ from this post. Purely on tone, however, so he might still need revisiting at some point.
 

on a personal note, i find D1 a bit usefull, but i feel the 'real game' starts D2, when the first victim(s) have fallen. I have some problems reading people for the moment, but that could be because i don't know a bunch of players here from previous games. I agree that dice looks off though (as stated in a previous post), but i'll have to check all the others to complete my list of suspects.

 
Remember what I said about bold becoming a common theme for Thane?
 

 

My guess is he's either having issues posting or he's trying to inflate his post count. 

 
(this was irt RTE's beatbox-type of posting)
 
This was one of the few things Leelou has said so far that seemed to make her look more townie. Mindmeld, I thought the same to be possible for him. Of course, Leelou as scum could have noticed this possibility just as easily (and if RTE was scum with her, it could have been a distancing move), so there is some wifom there.
 

Dice always confuses me, I have a difficult time reading him

 
If Dice is scum this post would seal Hallia's scummy fate with him imo.
 

Too many posts to quote from phone. So why all this frabbing of people. Some people dont like to be touched ok.

And yall, this posturing and making up of intent is funny based on posts made on the net. Its sooo cute. Maybe there is no mafia and all we have to do is find arthur and reunite him with the whale.

 
Bold was ewww to read. "LULZ wut if there was no mafiaz guis" type comments will never, ever sit well with me.
 

(Leelou's response to Clov about whom she would shoot)
 
1. I like this exchange. Agree on Des, not sure on Thane.
 
(Clov's response to Leelou's answers)

2. So do you agree with Des?
 
(Lazy's OP)

3. Best OP so far

(RTE's OP)

4. Worst OP so far

(Leelou responding to Verbal's "joke" vote)
 
5. Why are you responding to Verbs vote but not Tina's?

(Cory lamenting his N1 kill streak)
 
6. Darthe can save you from the NK, unfortunately for you he can't save you from me
 
(Leelou's strange response to Nyn)
 
7. This response doesn't really make sense from Nyn's post.
 
(Dice hi-bye post saying he was sick)

8. Feel better

 
(Parentheses are the chopped out-nested quotes from BFG's wot)
 
1. You def lose points here for liking Leelou's response. Her hedging her targets with the mention of potential post restrictions, that according to her aren't scum indicative in any way, was scummy as hell
2. Ewwwww. Gross set up there BFG. Totally unlike you, or I should say town!you.
3&4. Parrot
5&7 These responses would actually sorta look okay for you were she to flip scum
6. Possible scum-taunting-town alert
8. Fluff
 
Overall, not a town!BFG wot. She parrots and fluffs, doesn't point out anything small or out of the ordinary on some person no one is focusing on, she doesn't really start building a perspective, a lens through which you could see her thoughts, so to speak.
 

Thanks can remember the salient points.

Des misreps Leelou at least twice here.

States that she doesn't respond to Verb immediately, she does in her second post.

Brings up Tina's response to Leelou's vote, but it's Tina's second response he quotes, he ignores Tina's vote on Leelou.

Says Leelou has brought up possible PR a 'lot', she's done so twice.

I think his second half of the case has more to it, but really don't like the misreps at the beginning.

Early days for Des, but I don't like the start.

 
She didn't respond to Verbal immediately. He showed up early, like second or even first page. She was around, but didn't immediately acknowledge him like I'd normally expect. When Verb started spideying however, she responded, since that would give her an easy way to "interact" with him if she was scum and him town. So no, no misrep.
 
I think I also quoted that post to show that Tina didn't have a PR essentially, since that post didn't have a Marvin quote iirc. Either way I didn't "ignore" Tina's vote on Leelou. Tina's vote on Leelou looked as joke vote as it gets, was null for me.
 
She mentioned or tried bringing attention to possible post restrictions multiple times. She immediately voted one of the people who she thought could have a PR (Tina) and is now voting another who she thought mebbe had a PR (Mish). She wasn't bringing it up over and over, but consider the fact that in her first roughly 35 posts, close to half or a third of her actual gameplay posts were about post restrictions. That's pretty insane. No misrep there.
 

(Thane saying he had seen interesting reads in last few pages, was ambiguous as hell)

1. What reads?
 
(Dice's vote on Leelou)

2. This is an early vote from Dice. Not sure what the answering/counter answering thing is about though.
 
(Pray responding to AJ about a small misunderstanding)

3. Anything else?

And another of Des's coming up

(Again, parentheses = chopped out quotes)

1. If Thane ended up being scum, this would look good on you, however it is a bit of a lazy type comment for you
2. There is SOOOOO much more in that Dice post I could have seen town!BFG bringing up. You letting him off the hook so incredibly easy was a big surprise
3. Another lazy comment to make regarding someone else's post. These aren't detective-like BFG wot's, piecing through the muck to find little things to polish and peruse and explore, this is scum!BFG mailing in a wot, trying to make it seem like she's paying attention when she's not really pointing much out or saying anything. 
 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89426-standard-hitchhikers-game-to-the-galaxy-day-one/?p=3253061

Ok, Des says this is the quote that gave him a mafia read on Clove
 

Lynching all the girls is a dumb idea.  Now lynching other dudes?  THAT I can get behind.

 
 

*snerk*

Mish won

 

Yet Des's first post references the same thing and comes after Clov's.

(my vote on Clov when I first joined game)

And his vote to complete the sequence.


I'm not following Des much at all yet.

 

 Uh, you serious? Pretty obvious what the difference is here. Clov posts during the day, like a normal person. I post at night, like a vampire. He is able to react to everything realtime, minus the occasional ninja, I catch up on everything after most action has died down already. I kinda like just posting as I catch up lately, makes it very organic and hopefully lets others see me as town sooner, so I first reacted to Mish's post, then several pages later saw Clov talking about the joke. Wasn't much, but to me at the time it looked like it coulda been Clov trying to react naturally to banter but not doing it in the moment, moar catching up to everyone else. Plus, in this way scum can extend earlier joke conversations.
 

Des... well, I'm worried any game where me and Des have not been on the same page, but we've been not on the same page before as town and we've been on the same page before as town-mafia so I'm not going to say it's alignment-indicative

 
Cory, this is the non-committal language that I find unhelpful. You point out why you're somewhat worried about me, then immediately say that that reasoning is somewhat null-indicative.
 

Skimmed a lot that iwant to respond to, but will have to wait.
 
(RTE saying BFG starts off more vocal- I agree incidentally)
 
1. Ugh.

You've played a few games with me recently and in each I'm fairly consistent on when I post. BST at the moment, can't post at work, am often out evenings. Some nights I can post before I go out, others when I get back. Some days I can post before work, but most days I'm lazy and stay in bes too long...
 
(Mish saying she doesn't feel well)

2. Feel better
 
(Spam from Lazy directed @ BFG)
 
3. Busy
 
(Cory saying Leelou's vig targets post made her seem townie)

4. Agree about the vig response.

And I'm out for the night.

1. Potential whyme fryme alert. Don't usually see town!BFG rise to bait that easily.
2. Fluff
3. Fluff
4. "I agree with _____"

Again, weak as hell.

THIS IS NOT A TOWN!BFG WOT. Really does not feel like it at all. And again, I have gotten good at reading BFG through her wots.
 

went to respond to tina this morning but got hit with CF. On a short lunch now so will just respond with what i remember without the quote.
 
my concern with leelou is her telling us to watch mish for a post restriction. She seemed to know something others didn't. Who else knows things others dont?? Mafia thats who. I hadn't noticed mish doing anything to hint at one so that pinged me.
 
Re BFG?? asking why leelou and not AJ or Verb?  Cause she is the one who stood out to me and i dont even remember them doing it.
 
back to Tina. Role fishing?  only if you call using dynamite fishing. I was pretty blatant about it. There was a bit of talk about you liking marvin or having a post restriction. I have no idea who the main charachters are as, as said earlier, I dont remember the book. Hence I asked flat out to get rid of wifom. Notice I gave you options regarding marvin. Some of them would allow you to not claim, eg i love marvin. I also didnt ask you to claim if you were someone else.

Is there something about this theme that makes people think there is likely to be more post restrictions then normal? cause its been bought up a bit and imo prs arnt all that common on DM.

Bold: This is incredibly weak "reasoning" Dice. She seemed to know something, and mafia know stuff so she>>>mafia? That's witches floating like ducks logic man. How would a mafioso know anything about post restrictions that townies had? Why would the mod give them that kind of information?
 
Italics: Dice, you were flat out wrong there. You should def not asked if she was a specific character that early in a game. Pretty much NOTHING good can come out of that line of questioning for town.
 
Underlined: Go ahead and tote the scum line of redirecting focus back to the post restriction discussion, why not?