[Advanced/Experimental] No Roles Disney Game - Game Over - Town Wins!

[WWWwombat]

 

 

Bold is mine:

 

 

So why didn't you make that vote earlier instead of saying you could go either way and asking about deadline?

 

It was early D1, I was still largely undecided and wanted to gauge gameplay when more people 'joined the fray' later on. So if anything, I'm guilty of being overtly cautious about my D1 vote. So, if you're still locked in on me as scum, that's a better story than my scummyness for asking about deadline. 

 

This is essentially what I was looking for, when I mentioned there could be more innocent reasons for linking deadline and voting. He had a couple ideas of where to place his vote, but it was still early in the game, and he wanted to find out if we had a set time yet for when he needed to place a vote by.

 

I'll grant you, he could have placed a vote on either your or Darthe anyway, to see what kind of a reaction he would get, to try to push one of you. But I don't think the fact that he chose a slightly less proactive stance makes him scummy.

 

I do think it makes him scummy.  What is the town incentive for expressing opinions on possible alignments while not voting on D1?

 

I don't really agree here. I can see how you would think him holding his vote is negative behavior but I wouldn't call it alignment indicative by any definite means.

 

I'm taking the summation of your argument is that he didn't vote those he voiced concern over therefore he is scummy. Is that about it?

 

 

And he asked about deadline while doing it.  Comes off as very self-conscious.

And his "case" on Darthe is crap regardless of what you want to call it.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

 

 

I think I just watched Kaylee farm 20+ points with the efficiency of a robotic shucker.

Lol just trying to play catch up on 35 pages. Figured Mod doesn't like multi-quotes so I'll break them each up.

 

 

I love my little point whores. :)

 

 

I'm a point "escort."

 

How much per hour?

 

 

More than you've got.  Maybe when you land a job at Intel.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Bold is mine:

 

 

So why didn't you make that vote earlier instead of saying you could go either way and asking about deadline?

 

It was early D1, I was still largely undecided and wanted to gauge gameplay when more people 'joined the fray' later on. So if anything, I'm guilty of being overtly cautious about my D1 vote. So, if you're still locked in on me as scum, that's a better story than my scummyness for asking about deadline. 

 

This is essentially what I was looking for, when I mentioned there could be more innocent reasons for linking deadline and voting. He had a couple ideas of where to place his vote, but it was still early in the game, and he wanted to find out if we had a set time yet for when he needed to place a vote by.

 

I'll grant you, he could have placed a vote on either your or Darthe anyway, to see what kind of a reaction he would get, to try to push one of you. But I don't think the fact that he chose a slightly less proactive stance makes him scummy.

 

I do think it makes him scummy.  What is the town incentive for expressing opinions on possible alignments while not voting on D1?

 

I don't really agree here. I can see how you would think him holding his vote is negative behavior but I wouldn't call it alignment indicative by any definite means.

 

I'm taking the summation of your argument is that he didn't vote those he voiced concern over therefore he is scummy. Is that about it?

 

 

And he asked about deadline while doing it.  Comes off as very self-conscious.

And his "case" on Darthe is crap regardless of what you want to call it.

 

 

I pretty well annihilated him for that.  That said Womby, at this point not having a deadline is pretty odd.  Thread started three days ago.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

I think I just watched Kaylee farm 20+ points with the efficiency of a robotic shucker.

Lol just trying to play catch up on 35 pages. Figured Mod doesn't like multi-quotes so I'll break them each up.

 

 

I love my little point whores. :)

 

 

I'm a point "escort."

 

How much per hour?

 

 

More than you've got.  Maybe when you land a job at Intel.

 

 

I'm going to assume you don't know that he actually does work at Intel?  Looks like you're about to get wined and dined.

[Darthe]

I know, Lenlo the asexual, hispanic, tech junkie, gun loving, sarcastic, fencing enthusiast, multifaceted Texan.  Quite the strange combination of traits that make the man.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

I think it's too early to tell.

 

It is funny that Mish seems to think that me claiming a minor character makes me scum when there are several others who have as well. Like, somebody talk to this girl please.

 

Conf-bias in the house.

 

Talk to her yourself, slimeball.

 

 

 

[Lenlo]

I know, Lenlo the asexual, hispanic, tech junkie, gun loving, sarcastic, fencing enthusiast, multifaceted Texan.  Quite the strange combination of traits that make the man.

[Andrej]

 

 

Len, WHY do you want to get a general feel for what characters are out there? I still see this as benefiting scum more than town, and I really am starting to feel you are flip-flopping on this issue, because I'm pretty sure I remember you agreeing with Wombat earlier that talking about claims is a waste of time.

 

Getting a feel for what characters are out there helps the scum come up with better fake claims.

 

For the town, it just won't be all that beneficial, because the town can never know for sure what characters are legit claims and what aren't. I'm not saying it's a totally useless discussion, but I really feel you are giving it too much attention.

 

Because I want to figure out the kind of theme with the game. I dont feel like Lily would just randomly through characters out there, and if I get a general feel I think Ill be able to see through fake claims.

 

Also yes I agreed with Wombat, that we should stop argueing about it and focus more on gameplay but atm the only real gameplay weve had from alot of people is surrounding their claims. Im doing the best with what ive got. ATM all of Mish's gameplay has been about her crappy trap and her claim. I dont like her claim so im pushing her but since her gameplay revolves around her claim I cant ignore it.

 

I disagree with you on how beneficial it will be btw.

 

The "general theme" is probably whichever Disney characters Lily and jack felt partial to.  I doubt the "general theme" will be useful.

 

I would argue differently. Once we had all the claims on the table we could look for some inconsistencies, such as multiple characters from the same movie, etc. The likelihood of someone CCing is fairly low I think, but let's say all townies are from different movies and one of the scum goof and claim another character from the same movie. This would stand out imo. For instance, those who have claimed all seem to be secondary characters compared to Mish's claim as one of the primary. Like I said, the intent was to put some early pressure on the mafia to make a decision and have to commit to it. They would have more knowledge on the character distribution in a general sense but regardless, it would make them take a risk however small if they decided to gamble.

[Andrej]

Lenlo is not looking good. He's been all over on the claim issue and his recent explanations for why he thinks the claim talk matters, and why he wants everyone to claim, is not adding up. I can't just figure out why, if he's scum, his teammates haven't told him to let go of the claim talk. Unless his teammates are Kaylee, TGlems, and Krak.

 

I don't get why you would link Len to some of the inactives here, it just seems like an arbitrary reason to connect people to me.

[Andrej]

Town reads are Darthe and Hally.  Town leans on Verb and Alanna.  Scum leans on Amega, Vos, and Lenlo.

 

Agree on Darthe and Hally. Agree on Verb and somewhat on Vos; disagree on the rest.

[Darthe]

 

I know, Lenlo the asexual, hispanic, tech junkie, gun loving, sarcastic, fencing enthusiast, multifaceted Texan.  Quite the strange combination of traits that make the man.

 

 

[Andrej]

 

From Krak:

Verb is LOCK CLEAR.

 

 

 

I'm GFTW this game, so I hope everybody has their socks on.  Comfortable ones that also look nice.

 

Why is Verb lock clear to you? I don't remember if you said why or not.

 

Bold: No, I prefer to be barefoot.

 

I like this question. I remember it standing out to me as the game started but I had sort of forgotten about it as things progressed.

 

I don't necessarily disagree, Verb is a townlean for me, but I would like to hear Krak's explanation for this.

[Andrej]

My main thing on Len is that his views are changing as his thoughts develop.  You can see it as you read through the game.  That's a really good towntell.

 

Alternatively, one could say that his views are changing as the arguments against him develop.

 

Both of these are valid points. I'm leaning more in agreeance with Darthe though.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

 

 

Bold is mine:

 

 

So why didn't you make that vote earlier instead of saying you could go either way and asking about deadline?

 

It was early D1, I was still largely undecided and wanted to gauge gameplay when more people 'joined the fray' later on. So if anything, I'm guilty of being overtly cautious about my D1 vote. So, if you're still locked in on me as scum, that's a better story than my scummyness for asking about deadline. 

 

This is essentially what I was looking for, when I mentioned there could be more innocent reasons for linking deadline and voting. He had a couple ideas of where to place his vote, but it was still early in the game, and he wanted to find out if we had a set time yet for when he needed to place a vote by.

 

I'll grant you, he could have placed a vote on either your or Darthe anyway, to see what kind of a reaction he would get, to try to push one of you. But I don't think the fact that he chose a slightly less proactive stance makes him scummy.

 

I do think it makes him scummy.  What is the town incentive for expressing opinions on possible alignments while not voting on D1?

 

I don't really agree here. I can see how you would think him holding his vote is negative behavior but I wouldn't call it alignment indicative by any definite means.

 

I'm taking the summation of your argument is that he didn't vote those he voiced concern over therefore he is scummy. Is that about it?

 

 

And he asked about deadline while doing it.  Comes off as very self-conscious.

And his "case" on Darthe is crap regardless of what you want to call it.

 

 

I pretty well annihilated him for that.  That said Womby, at this point not having a deadline is pretty odd.  Thread started three days ago.

 

 

And Vos mentioned deadline less than 24 hours after the thread opened.

[Andrej]

 

 

[Lenlo]

 

 

I know, Lenlo the asexual, hispanic, tech junkie, gun loving, sarcastic, fencing enthusiast, multifaceted Texan.  Quite the strange combination of traits that make the man.

 

 

 

[Darthe]

Unoffical Vote count:

Lenlo (2) - Krak, Kaylee

AJ (1) Mish

Mish (1) - Lenlo

Darthe (1) - Vos

Vos (1) - Darthe

Krak (1) Leelou

Amega (1): Womby

 

Not voting - TGlems, Alanna, Hallia, Pralaya, Amega, Lia, AJ, Verb

No deadline yet

 

 

BOOM GIMME

[WWWwombat]

 

 

Trimmed OP.

 

 

Could go either way here. Do we have a deadline yet?

 

Vos post.

[LilyElizabeth]

Vote count:

Lenlo (2) - Krak, Kaylee

AJ (1) Mish

Mish (1) - Lenlo

Darthe (1) - Vos

Vos (1) - Darthe

Krak (1) Leelou

Amega (1) - Wombat

 

Not voting - Kaylee, TGlems, Alanna, Hallia, Pralaya, Amega, Lia, AJ, Verb

No deadline yet

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

Bold is mine:

 

 

So why didn't you make that vote earlier instead of saying you could go either way and asking about deadline?

 

It was early D1, I was still largely undecided and wanted to gauge gameplay when more people 'joined the fray' later on. So if anything, I'm guilty of being overtly cautious about my D1 vote. So, if you're still locked in on me as scum, that's a better story than my scummyness for asking about deadline. 

 

This is essentially what I was looking for, when I mentioned there could be more innocent reasons for linking deadline and voting. He had a couple ideas of where to place his vote, but it was still early in the game, and he wanted to find out if we had a set time yet for when he needed to place a vote by.

 

I'll grant you, he could have placed a vote on either your or Darthe anyway, to see what kind of a reaction he would get, to try to push one of you. But I don't think the fact that he chose a slightly less proactive stance makes him scummy.

 

I do think it makes him scummy.  What is the town incentive for expressing opinions on possible alignments while not voting on D1?

 

I don't really agree here. I can see how you would think him holding his vote is negative behavior but I wouldn't call it alignment indicative by any definite means.

 

I'm taking the summation of your argument is that he didn't vote those he voiced concern over therefore he is scummy. Is that about it?

 

 

And he asked about deadline while doing it.  Comes off as very self-conscious.

And his "case" on Darthe is crap regardless of what you want to call it.

 

 

I pretty well annihilated him for that.  That said Womby, at this point not having a deadline is pretty odd.  Thread started three days ago.

 

 

And Vos mentioned deadline less than 24 hours after the thread opened.

 

I am saying that the longer the argument continues the less weight it is going to carry.  I think Vos would be a clearer lynch if you used newer arguments.  I'm already there but practically nobody has responded to my destruction of Vos's arguments.  IMO that's damning in and of itself but no point in arguing that since it is only connotative to me.

[Darthe]

Vote count:

Lenlo (2) - Krak, Kaylee

AJ (1) Mish

Mish (1) - Lenlo

Darthe (1) - Vos

Vos (1) - Darthe

Krak (1) Leelou

Amega (1) - Wombat

 

Not voting - Kaylee, TGlems, Alanna, Hallia, Pralaya, Amega, Lia, AJ, Verb

No deadline yet

NO

[Andrej]

Currently I feel relatively good about Darthe, Len, Lee, Verb and to a lesser extent Kaylee and Hallia.

 

I've liked some of Vos's comments, disliked others. I'd put him at null but would also consider voting there.

 

Wombat and Alanna both bug me. Wombat for some of his pushes that seem kind of insignificant to me, Alanna it's a little harder to put my finger on. Call it a gut feeling.

 

Want to read back on Amega and see what the fuss was, I don't remember his posts standing out much to me at the time.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Trimmed OP.

 

 

Lol'd too hard

[Darthe]

I'm currently doing this instead of taking my final final.  It scares me.

[WWWwombat]

 

I am saying that the longer the argument continues the less weight it is going to carry.  I think Vos would be a clearer lynch if you used newer arguments.  I'm already there but practically nobody has responded to my destruction of Vos's arguments.  IMO that's damning in and of itself but no point in arguing that since it is only connotative to me.

 

 

How am I going to use new arguments when Vos doesn't post anything?  He's only done two things that mean anything this game imo.  The rest is just claims crap.