[Basic] Real Genius Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN AND SURVIVOR WIN

[Lenlo]

Just to back it up cause I realize I havnt done it yet [v]Despot[/v]

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Leno (3) - Amega, Despo, Pral

Despo (1) - Leno

Not Voting (2): Hallia, Tsuki


Leno is at L-1.

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 4 Deadline is Monday, May 19 @ 9:30 AM MST/PDT.
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140519T0930&p0=197&msg=End+of+Day+4

[amegakure]

[unvote]lenlo

 

[v]despo[/v]

[amegakure]

Tsuki could have hammered lenlo in the last 4 hours but didnt i think that says alot about his alignment. This is definitely between despo and len. 

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Leno (2) - Despo, Pral

Despo (2) - Leno, Amega

 

Not Voting (2): Hallia, Tsuki

 

 

Leno is at L-2.

Despo is at L-2.

 

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

 

Day 4 Deadline is Monday, May 19 @ 9:30 AM MST/PDT.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140519T0930&p0=197&msg=End+of+Day+4

[Tsukibana]

Tsuki could have hammered lenlo in the last 4 hours but didnt i think that says alot about his alignment. This is definitely between despo and len. 

Why would I hammer the guy actually scum-hunting?!?! O.o

[Tsukibana]

I mean, why would you even say that? A whole thread-full could've hammered, not just me. That seems like a horrible

way to bring me back to the forefront...

[Pralaya]

Alright this has gone too long .... let's look at this in detail once and for all.

 

Lenlo's case on Des isn't that great. Each of his points that he accuses Des, he himself is guilty of that.

 

For example, he says this about Des - " Cory, a proven scum, is town huh? ". Lenlo had the exact read on Cory. He is trying to pass it off as if he was suspicious of Cory.

 

He also says that Des "took the first chance you got to move over to Darthe, saving Basel for the day.". Lenlo also did the same, as I have quoted in the post above.

 

There was nothing indicative that Len was having different reads than Cory and Des, except going at Amega. Looks a bit fake.

 

I am going to look back at everything from the beginning. Going for the win here !

[amegakure]

I mean, why would you even say that? A whole thread-full could've hammered, not just me. That seems like a horrible

way to bring me back to the forefront...

reading comprehension fail.. just no.

[Pralaya]

 

LEN U SCUM?

MAYBE. ARE U   Y/N?

 

WITH LOVE, LEN

 

Doesn't tell anything much, but it is an interesting post. How would you respond to the question Tommy asked - as scum, as town?

 

 

 

LEN U SCUM?

MAYBE. ARE U   Y/N?

 

WITH LOVE, LEN

 

So is this a subtle accidental slip by Len that he might not be town?

 

But, Basel addresses it, when pretty much everyone ignored it. Looks like a bus move.

 

 

 

 

LEN U SCUM?

MAYBE. ARE U   Y/N?

 

WITH LOVE, LEN

 

So is this a subtle accidental slip by Len that he might not be town?

 

 

very subtle

 

Tommy I am soulreading Clov are you soulreading Clov?

 

And, supported by Cory.

 

Strike one for Lenlo.

[amegakure]

The only people that could have hammered lenlo was you and hallia. She is proven town. The fact that you didn't, say's alot about your alignment....AKA TOWNY lean. 

 

Your over defensive reaction to your name being brought up and trying to push some agenda on me is troubling though.

[Pralaya]

FROM DA HIP

 

Tsuki

Clovdyx

Basel

Nommy (Nyn/Tommy)

Mish

Leno

Hallia

Pral

Dawthe

Amega

 

No super confident villagers, two people I think are 50%+ wolves

 

Basel lolpost @ Lenlo villagery

 

I'm not sure if Mish would play up her grumpiness as Mafia considering it got her lynched for no reason last game, so she's >rand villa

 

Soulreading Lenlo town but if were lynched or vigged I wouldn't cry

 

Need moar villagers

Ok, this is the first list of reads by Cory.

 

More than thinking about who he is reading as scum/town, one thing that conspiciously stands out is that there is someone missing in this list. Yes, Zanube.

 

Now, Zanube did not have any post in this game so far. So, it is understood how he missed him totally. If Zanube was in Cory's scum team, wouldn't he have mentioned him at least? As null, perhaps? Or that he isn't posting at all?

 

The complete lack of mention of Zanube makes me believe that Zanube was NOT Cory's partner.

[Pralaya]

So in conclusion: He suspects Tommy and Darthe, goes back and forth between suspecting Tommy to fence sitting on him. He ended with agreeing with him. Not sure where he sits with either to be honest.

 

He riled Cory for dictating his play while telling Cory how to play.

 

His reads seems to go back and forth and I don't have a clue who he suspects at this point. Leaning scum

 

Vote Amega

Don't think that was a bus vote. At this point Mish and Tommy had their vote on Amega.

Making an elaborate case on Amega looks more like her pushing it further.

 

If she was going for a bus vote, it wouldn't have to be THAT elaborate.

[Pralaya]

 

 

 

 

 

A mixture. Nyn has had some very pro-town post, most notably the case on Basel. Tommy I can't read this early, so Nyn dominates that read. You and Cory are content. Hallia and Pral more meta/gut read. Amega and Basel, content.

 

I can accept this.  I wasn't sure where the hell you were coming from on Hallia.  I saw nothing of value to that point, but the one game I played with her was fairly quiet.  Acceptable reads so far.

 

Well, I meant to say something before... but you can be a little creepy sometimes. I'm sure you get that all the time.

 

 

 

Nyn

QFE, QFT

Blue: kTells Darthe to let his play speak for himself, not tell people he's cleared.

 

 

Not sure how he feels about Craylee atm, started off saying how Cory should play, riles him, now...?

 

Purple: He accuses Pral of being mafia because of how he worded things.

 

Bold: Says he was just trying to irritate Cory for dictating what he could say? Wait, didn't he tell Cory how to play concerning Tommy? Pot meet Kettle.

 

Green: Agrees with Tommy about Mish. So he now trust Tommy? I'm confused.

 

He ends by telling Darthe to have Dawn play.

 

(Trimmed for size, obviously) This was generally good analysis, and I like the effort.  Regarding the green, do you think that his suspicions of Tommy should prevent him from agreeing with a point he raises about a different player?  More importantly, do you disagree with Amega that Tommy's point about Mish was good?

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Nommy (1) - Basel

Amega (3) - Mish, Nommy, CrayLee

Mish (1) - Clov

 

 

Not Voting (8): Zanube, Tsuki, Amega, Leno, Dawthe, Hallia, Pral

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

No deadline has been set at this time.

Still waiting to check in: Zanube - Despo has offered to step in if the mentee does not arrive

 

Hey, guys checking in. I'll post regarding game if all goes well tomorrow

 

Awful timing is awful.  Slight suspicion.

 

 

Seems fair.

 

Zanube being gone is terrible considering how active his mentor would be.

Clov looks slight town.

CrayJay is slight town (I have issue with Kaylee.  My main tell on her is that as scum she safely always summates instead of giving her impressions, aka IIOA which is information instead of analysis)

Tsuki? no friggin clue

Amega - slight scum, mainly for the taunting post he made at you and for his really spastic manner of overstating everything.  The reason this is slight is because I recently mentored him and watched him do this as town, albeit in a slightly more concise manner.

Lenlo? hasn't been around.  starting to see a trend.  His one significant post was meh.

Hally I can't recall either.  I feel like she has posted but hasn't contributed.  Prob town since that is her MO but I am not willing to clear her yet.

Laya looks a bit better, I recall him contributing meaningfully.  Gut impression, mind you.  I've not actually went back through

Nommy I like this game.  Pressured you right off the bat to see if I could get an atypical opening from you and I got what I wanted from it.  

Mish I can't really recall tbh

Basel I am a fan of here.  His posts, when made, look like town basel based on my quite good meta of him.  Unfortunately that meta is counter-intuitive to what constitutes good scumhunting.

 

1. WHY DOES CLOV LOOK LIKE TOWN?!?! You said this before. I questioned you twice. No answer. Now you say it again on your list of reads and fail to explain why. You can't ignore me forever!

 

2. So lets sum this up.

 

You have a null read on: Zanube, Tsuki, Lenlo, Mish.

Town lean: Clov (no reason provided repeatedly), CrayLee (based on Kaylee meta), Hallia (based on meta), Basil (meta), Paralya (gut impression), Nommy.

Scum lean: Amega (Meta for mentoring him).

 

You also conclude that meta is counter-intuitive to what constitutes as good scumhunting. Agreed.

 

 

Guys, I think Darthe blew the case wide open! :P

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

Lol nyn im calling clov town based on very little right now. We are really similar and he is making the same sorts of points that I am. A good example of this is whenhe picked cory out for corys odd post about my townread of him.

 

It seems to really bother you that I didnt answer that quickly. Tbh I just hadnt read back to figureboutbwhat your question was cause ive been on mobile while nicci was here (she isnt much of a mafia fan) and am busy catching up in another game.

 

Another thing you got wrong nyn. I said specifically that Basel has a meta that is counter intuitive. He is more open as town and thus scummier because he isnt good at shaping sentences in such a way that they look townie and he tends to be reticent to stand out so much as scum making him appear townier at a base level.

 

I'm sorry if irked that you have this much directly wrong when you quoted the post.

 

 

I'm sorry if irked that you have this much directly wrong when you quoted the post.

 

LOL  nice spin. You should work for bush.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

Explain how that is a spin Nyn. My thoughts are direct and on thread. Right now you look like youre spouting anything you can to try and work your angle. When I make statements and you directly ignore parts of them and summarize them I am going to call question to that 100% of the time.

 

Darthe looking good here IMO.  I like his response to Nyn's questioning about the counter-intuitive comment.  I don't like when people misrepresent my words (whether accidental or or intentional), and that clearly happened with Nyn's red statement.  Would have looked worse if he backtracked instead of clarifying.

 

 

I disagree with you on Darthe. While he clarified instead of backtracking, he still didnt answer Nyns question about Cory and imo the tone of the pieces doesnt feel good to me.

 

 

She didn't say anything about Cory, except that Darthe was reading Cory (and Kaylee) as slight town.  Nyn also attributed this read to Darthe's meta on Kaylee, while his statement suggests that his meta actually lessens the read ("I have issues with Kayleee"). 

 

What she asked was about Darthe's read on me, which Darthe answered. 

 

Pretend I don't know what tone is.  Actually, pretend I think it's a stupid way of forming reads and is an easily manipulated system that allows scum to bullshit reads without ever getting called to form a well-formed justification.  What about his tone doesn't feel good?

 

Oh sorry it was about you, not Cory. Look Clov Cory, you both start with C and have 4 letters.

 

And perhaps tone wasnt the best word, I get a bad feeling from it. Which ofc is also probably not the most admissible thing for you but I dont really care atm.

 

Lenlo got confused by Cory and Clov. Now that we know that Cory was scum, this looks

 

And, he tries to explain how he got confused by Cory and Clov. That explanation doesn't exactly look good either.

[Pralaya]

 

So if you really think im scum show me why in other post's i've made. since then instead of clinging to a sarcastic post which shows exactly nothing to prove your point.

 

Im not trying to lynch a townie But you are

 

Im not trying to discredit or lay out wifom. You are.

 

I'm not blowing things out of proportion. you are.

This post seems to boil down to "but I'm TOWN! TOWN!" It's like Amega is trying too hard to tell us that he's town. Unvote. Vote Amega.

 

 

 

 

So if you really think im scum show me why in other post's i've made. since then instead of clinging to a sarcastic post which shows exactly nothing to prove your point.

 

Im not trying to lynch a townie  But you are

 

Im not trying to discredit or lay out wifom. You are. 

 

I'm not blowing things out of proportion. you are.

This posts seems like Amega trying uber hard to seem town.

 

Haha, Basel and Zanube give the exact same reasons to push Amega's lynch within half an hour of each other.

 

Looks like they discussed in the scum chat about trapping Amega for his post and they slipped by not coordinating and using the same point.

 

Strike 1 for Zanube/Des.

[Pralaya]

 

 

So if you really think im scum show me why in other post's i've made. since then instead of clinging to a sarcastic post which shows exactly nothing to prove your point.

 

Im not trying to lynch a townie But you are

 

Im not trying to discredit or lay out wifom. You are.

 

I'm not blowing things out of proportion. you are.

This posts seems like Amega trying uber hard to seem town.

 

I think I know where to get wool for my sweaters this winter. You pretty much totally sheeped my last post.

 

Cue Basel getting panicky and trying to distance Zanube.

[Pralaya]

Amega, Zanube, Dawthe (not in that order.)

Too defensive, Never got back to us on his "darthe" accusations (that's one long-ass lunch - methinks the QT lit up, trying to make it sound good, but not TOO good), scummy-scum scum - Telling

his mentee not to post, WTH? Seems like once he got appointed scum, he cares more about winning than teaching.

Both Basel and Cory are town reads for him. Looks like a genuine town player giving out his reads. No evidence of busing or distancing.

 

Maybe he is town after all.

[Pralaya]

Darthe seems legitimately frustrated but that's not really alignment indicative. I feel one notch worse about the prospect of a Darthe lynch since the last time I read srs

I'm willing to live or die with a Tommy/Nyn townread, my attention span for this game is pretty low and I have complex psychoanalytic hoodoo that makes me think he's either town or going far beyond levels of jerkiness I have ever known him to encompass

 

Lenlo (how shocking)/Basel/one-post wonder Zanube/Pral all lurking, please LMK where you are at gamewise

 

Lenlo did have some posts that reminded me of his Mass Effect villager game FWIW

 

Clov seems Clovish, not someone I can easily clear but gutread is town

 

Hallia's pop-ins are villagery but I would like more from her 

 

I can't really comprehend Tsuki ATM

 

I remember Pral staying UTR and then getting villagery AFTER the narrative formed in Twilight, so he's a concern

 

Like Mish

 

I want to reread D1 of Mass Effect for a better perspective on Amega. Amega lurked most of RW but had Cloud as a voicebox and never SERIOUSLY got pressured. In ME Amega was the headpiece of his hydra and they got lynched D1. But honestly the idea of rereading a thread tilts me pretty hard

The bold sounds strange. Lenlo had a lot of posts by then and Cory calls it out as "lurking". Basically he is lumping Lenlo along with me, Zanube and Basel who had single digit posts.

[Pralaya]

not a lot of stuff to analyse after this. Cory/Kaylee still go hard at Amega, Basel and Darthe. I don't believe they would go hard at both their scummates - which further reinforces the fact that Amega is not scum.

Then the day ends with the Clov lynch. During these times, Tsuki comes off as slightly scummy, especially going after the easy lynches of me and Clov.
 

Yeeesh, Let a guy grab a meal.
 
VOTE CLOVDYX

 
 

Everything on Clov looks good. Hey Tommy can we pretty please lynch Amega tomorrow? Pleeeeeeease? Ive been on this all day and id hate for it to go to waste.
 
##unvote vote Clov

Both of these look bad. Sudden change of reads from Clov-null to Clov-scum.

[Pralaya]

So, from Day 1, on a scale of 5, 5 being the scummiest

 

Lenlo - 4

Zanube - 3

Tsuki - 3

Amega - 1

Hallia - 0

Pral - 0

[Lenlo]

Sorry about formatting, I'm on an iPad, so apologies. Getting on flight.

 

 

 

 

LEN U SCUM?

MAYBE. ARE U   Y/N? WITH LOVE, LEN

Doesn't tell anything much, but it is an interesting post. How would you respond to the question Tommy asked - as scum, as town?

 

 

LEN U SCUM?

MAYBE. ARE U   Y/N? WITH LOVE, LEN

So is this a subtle accidental slip by Len that he might not be town?

But, Basel addresses it, when pretty much everyone ignored it. Looks like a bus move.

 

 

 

LEN U SCUM?

MAYBE. ARE U   Y/N? WITH LOVE, LEN

So is this a subtle accidental slip by Len that he might not be town?

 very subtle Tommy I am soulreading Clov are you soulreading Clov?

And, supported by Cory.Strike one for Lenlo.

 

How is that a strike? The very subtle comment? Please explain because I don't see. It's me joking, Basel taking it to seriously/maybe attempting to set something up. Paid like you to explain as to why it's a strike as it is.

 

 

  

 

FROM DA HIP TsukiClovdyxBaselNommy (Nyn/Tommy)MishLenoHalliaPralDawtheAmega No super confident villagers, two people I think are 50%+ wolves Basel lolpost @ Lenlo villagery I'm not sure if Mish would play up her grumpiness as Mafia considering it got her lynched for no reason last game, so she's >rand villaSoulreading Lenlo town but if were lynched or vigged I wouldn't cry Need moar villagers

Ok, this is the first list of reads by Cory.More than thinking about who he is reading as scum/town, one thing that conspiciously stands out is that there is someone missing in this list. Yes, Zanube.Now, Zanube did not have any post in this game so far. So, it is understood how he missed him totally. If Zanube was in Cory's scum team, wouldn't he have mentioned him at least? As null, perhaps? Or that he isn't posting at all?The complete lack of mention of Zanube makes me believe that Zanube was NOT Cory's partner.

  why does lack of a mention make m not Cory's partner? If he doesn't mention him, then he can avoid attention longer. It's a good way of protecting an inactive scum mate until he can get replaced in, just ignore him and try and push everyone else away from him to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lenlo got confused by Cory and Clov. Now that we know that Cory was scum, this looksAnd, he tries to explain how he got confused by Cory and Clov. That explanation doesn't exactly look good either.

 

What do you mean the explanation isn't that good? Elaborate please. They both start with C and they Re both very good players. I don't mark people by avatars like a lot of people do, I use names, so similar names such as those mix me up sometimes.

 

 

 

 

Darthe seems legitimately frustrated but that's not really alignment indicative. I feel one notch worse about the prospect of a Darthe lynch since the last time I read srsI'm willing to live or die with a Tommy/Nyn townread, my attention span for this game is pretty low and I have complex psychoanalytic hoodoo that makes me think he's either town or going far beyond levels of jerkiness I have ever known him to encompass Lenlo (how shocking)/Basel/one-post wonder Zanube/Pral all lurking, please LMK where you are at gamewise Lenlo did have some posts that reminded me of his Mass Effect villager game FWIW Clov seems Clovish, not someone I can easily clear but gutread is town Hallia's pop-ins are villagery but I would like more from her   I can't really comprehend Tsuki ATM I remember Pral staying UTR and then getting villagery AFTER the narrative formed in Twilight, so he's a concern Like Mish I want to reread D1 of Mass Effect for a better perspective on Amega. Amega lurked most of RW but had Cloud as a voicebox and never SERIOUSLY got pressured. In ME Amega was the headpiece of his hydra and they got lynched D1. But honestly the idea of rereading a thread tilts me pretty hard

The bold sounds strange. Lenlo had a lot of posts by then and Cory calls it out as "lurking". Basically he is lumping Lenlo along with me, Zanube and Basel who had single digit posts.

 

You forget that a lot of people did that. Each and every time someone did that, I called them on it as well as deserting me up/accusing me of something that was false.

[hazelkrs1]

Just read up. Don't see any new questions for me or anything. Feels like its been day for a while tho, I take it deadline is coming up soon?

 

I'm vanilla btw, nothing crazy here.

[hazelkrs1]

Sand really just scratched the hell out of my phone screen btw

[hazelkrs1]

Holy carp deadline is still two days away.

 

Guess I'll respond to this post.

 

 

 

Search: keywords "Despo, clout"

By username: "Lenlo"

 

 

Im at the beach right now, and i have neither the time or inclination to respond to Lenlo's wot point by point.

 

Its still a pretty poor case however. Its still more of just giving a play by play of how things would have gone down if i was scum, instead of any comprehensive analysis which shows how anything ive done actually points to me being scum. He also selectively shows me saying Basel was town, when i had him as solid scum once i finished catching up. He also tries so hard to hammer home a connection between me and "proven scum" Cory, when pretty much anyone playing could remember easily that i was reading Cory as town. Him trying so hard to overplay that connection shows how hard he wants to get me lynched imo

 

Sorry if there are crazy typos, my phone's a lot slower lately

You sold him as solid scum, which I actually show in the case itself. The problem is you setup Prals lynch and others so that you could lynch them instead of Basel and you distanced yourself from Basel if you had to lynch him. I stated as such. And yes im going to bring up that Cory was scum in my WoT/reread BECAUSE HE WAS. The fact that you were townreading Cory and him you was the problem. Together you two had the clout/reputation/ability to get town to do whatever you want. THATS THE POINT IM TRYING TO MAKE. Thats what I was pointing out to everyone, so stop ignoring it and address it properly if you are going to at all.

 

And yes your right, I do want you lynched badly because I think your scum. Your poor pushing on me shows the exact opposite from you imo. You dont care if im lynched, you just want someone scummy you can push to be lynched because thats all you need. If you really wanted me lynched, if you definitely thought I was scum, you would be putting just as much effort into your casing as I am into mine.

I prob would be putting a lot more effort into trying to case you if I had time. Didn't bring my laptop and there's no business center that I've seen here at the hotel. Not gonna do a MQ on my phone.

 

I had Basel as my top scum read for a while. I also saw Pray as scummy, partially because he was convinced Cory was scum, who I had toneread as town. At the time, Pray didn't even seem to be casing Cory a lot, just saying he was obvscum. That wasn't me "setting up Pray for a lynch", that's just you trying to spin it that way. I had him as a scum read, that's all. Before the CFD on Darthe, which you followed btw and made it look like I led it, I was pushing Basel for the lynch.

 

As for my clout, that has nothing to do with how or why I could be scum in THIS game. For that matter, you could spin a narrative that I could be scum in ANY game where one of my top scum reads ended up being town (Pray hasn't flipped yet but his shot on Cory in addition to his #work lately make him pretty obvtown here).

 

Essentially the crux of your case against me Lenlo is that I have enough clout to supposedly lead town where I wanted, which again is presumptuous and just going off the assumption that I'm scum, instead of showing anything which actually supports this conclusion.

 

My case against you is mostly POE, as well as your peculiar behavior today. You twice said you wanted to hear what I'd say, and considering that I'd previously been town reading you I think you were hoping I'd lend you a hand. Once I voted you, you've essentially OMGUS-tunneled me since.

[Pralaya]

How is that a strike? The very subtle comment? Please explain because I don't see. It's me joking, Basel taking it to seriously/maybe attempting to set something up. Paid like you to explain as to why it's a strike as it is.

 

It is not about you but more about Cory and Basel referencing it when nobody else bothered. It was not something that they pursued either, they just mention it and let it off. It looks more like a distancing move early days of D1

 

why does lack of a mention make m not Cory's partner? If he doesn't mention him, then he can avoid attention longer. It's a good way of protecting an inactive scum mate until he can get replaced in, just ignore him and try and push everyone else away from him to.

 

I think it was a slip by Cory. It was early D1 and one of the first list done. I don't think there was any question of "avoding attention". At that point, I myself had 1 post, I think. The lack of name was basically Cory just not remembering that Zanube was in the game, which wouldn't have been the case had he been his scummate.

 

What do you mean the explanation isn't that good? Elaborate please. They both start with C and they Re both very good players. I don't mark people by avatars like a lot of people do, I use names, so similar names such as those mix me up sometimes.

 

It was too much of an explanation for a simple error. Again, I think it was a slip by you where it looked like you took your scummate's name instead of Clov while suddenly replying. Agreed, this is not a big point on its own, just an observation.

 

 

You forget that a lot of people did that. Each and every time someone did that, I called them on it as well as deserting me up/accusing me of something that was false.

 

A couple of people. I think Amega was one. However, we are concerned about Cory here, who has flipped scum. And that is why your name looks odd lumped with the others.