[Basic] Real Genius Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN AND SURVIVOR WIN

[Cory Caboose]

[hazelkrs1]

Alright. I'm just about ready. Completely caught up, and got all the quotes grabbed I wanted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lenlo]

*WAITS*

[Pralaya]

 

I've never been into Day 1 wagon "analysis" - for people reading Clov, my notepad is on my home computer but I don't remember Clov's alignment being discussed much. Off the top of my head, me and Darthe had slight villa leans, Kaylee though he might be Mafia, Tommy thought he was Mafia. Tommy provided a pretty damn good case on him and he's a voice people listen to, so debating who on the wagon was town following Tommy and who was opportunistic scum and who was scum staying off for towncred seems ARBITRARY. Me and Darthe had this argument for three pages in Twilight - that's not how I play. I formulate on thought process and tone - if you don't like that I think wagonomics is really only useful on scumflips and lategame POE, deal with it. I'm not changing for anyone. We have a thread full of info and I've already elaborated on what I disliked about yours and Basel's EOD.

 

If you have thoughts about EOD, provide them yourself instead of nudging me to come to your conclusion FOR you.

 

And I don't appreciate the terms "cop out" or saying I am "avoiding something" - we are different players, if you are FoSing me for not seeing the game the way you do TELL ME WHY THAT'S MAFIA BEHAVIOR instead of just sniping me. What are your contributions this game?

 

First, to answer your questions that I happened during the weekend, the early frustration seemed as an act to get towncred from the players. I have no idea you were playing in the Champions game nor other stuff but having some emotional post early like that usually pings for me. I understand if something has happened in the game, but this was early D1 and that was the problem. You have many other posts that facilitate better townplay but the tone in that particular post stood out.

 

Back to the other stuff, yes, the way you see things is different from mine. You want to look at tone and stuff but for me that is a Day 1 game. I look more into Motivations - why did he call him out, why did she  vote him, when did they vote, what was the context etc. That is how I play. But, that does not mean that I completely ignore the tone. I look at that too...like I did at the post where I FoSed you for the frustration. It is also one of the reasons why I am a low poster on D1 because I need information to go forward. 

 

My thoughts on the clov lynch have already been said. I am sure you read it as Tommy even commented how it made sense when he and you were talking on N1.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Overall, I think Len, Craylee are scum - Tsuki/Zanube/Mish/Hallia null - Tommy, Darthe, Basel, Amega, Clov town.

 

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Amega (1) - Basel

Hallia (1) - Clov

CrayLee (2) - Pral, Amega

Clov (7) - Nommy, CrayLee, Mish, Tsuki, Leno, Dawthe, Hallia

 

 

Not Voting (1): Zanube

 

Frankly, I am loving my reads so far. I think there is definitely 2 scum in that train.

 

I don't agree with Basel on Tommy being suspicious because he was leading the Clov lynch. I am more concerned about those who readily started having a scum read on Clov as soon as TOmmy made his case. Tsuki leads that followed by Mish, Lenlo and Craylee. 

 

Darthe's and Hallia's vote came closer at the deadline when there seemed to be no other alternative. However, it still could be possible that was a last minute push by scum but combining with my overall reads, don't think that is the case. 

 

 

 

 

I haven't played with Clov before so no idea how his game is, but I did a quick ISO read on his posts after your case Tommy, and I agree with you. It feels more like trying to direct town and looking like he's contributing than actually contributing. Worthy lynch today.

 

unvote Vote Clov

 

 

 

 

Was Clov bothering you earlier (if so, when and how) or did you just find my case compelling?

 

He just seems like the type of player that should be on the offense, not acting defensive and harping on small issues, the the Basel/Zanube sheeping comment. He

dug at that pretty hard. In my experience, scum hold onto single threads longer than others.

 

 

 

Everything on Clov looks good. Hey Tommy can we pretty please lynch Amega tomorrow? Pleeeeeeease? Ive been on this all day and id hate for it to go to waste.

 

##unvote vote Clov

 

[hazelkrs1]

Okay before I get into my mq's of #wreckface, I want to first make something clear for everyone playing.

 

I, Despothera, am drawing a line in the sand. On this side, I have some glorious townies, people who are shining beacons of what their community demands from citizens of badassitude. They are villa, and their names are:

 

Craylee

Mish

Leno my eno

Tsuki

 

and that's it. Those games I will go to bat for 1000 times out of 1000, and while I'm alive, they will not be lynched. You can take that to the bank buddy.

 

Thing is, we're already down 3 purdy good townies - 4 if you count the hydra as two. Yates, Nommy, and Clov are all great players, and losing the Cop N1 is a big blow to town in ANY game.

 

So there aint no time for messing around. If your name isn't Despothera and it's not on the list above, guess what?

 

 

 

 

And friend, you do NOT want to be on that side of the line. The wolves are imo entirely in your midst, and with all the cross-defending going on between people in your world, you prob think there's more townie on your side or something. But you're wrong, and if you throw your chips in with that lot, you will NOT come out of this on the winning end. You will either be on the losing scum team, or working against the winning town team.

 

So, if you're in this group, and you're town, get outta there quick. I'm not kidding, haul ass out of that place, don't stop to save your goldfish, just git on.

 

 

Amega

Dawthe

Hallia

Pray

Basel

 

 

 

If you're scum, DBSFYMC. Or just sit tight, we'll let you know when it's all over,

 

[Lenlo]

Whats DBSFYMC mean?

[michellem]

30-41 (since I forgot to keep an eye on page numbers, lol)

 

 

 

 

A bit busy week at work this week. Should get better later this week but not before.

Anyway, just had a read of the entire thread. Here are my reads of players. Took longer than expected.

1. Zanube - has a couple more posts than me :) I am particularly interested that his two main scum reads are those with the largest trains currently. Agreed that he could be influenced by the opinions of others, but that definitely stands out. Null.

2. Clovdyx - Has been pretty good at scumhunting. Like posts like this and this where he is actively questioning and scumhunting. Leaning town.Town.

3. CrayLee (Kaylee/Cory): In my other post, I mentioned how I was slightly suspicious of Cory. Kaylee does not seem very straightforward in her posts. I am a bit iffy of the fact that she is sure of me being town (here and here) with just one post, especially in which I call Cory out as my top suspect (which she does not address btw). Her vote on Amega looked like a good jumping-on-the-train vote. Leaning scum

4. Tsuki - His "case" and vote on Darthe seemed forced and quite opportunistic. However, I agree with his point on Hallia and in general, his other reads somewhat matches with mine. Null read however.

5. Amega - I see him making an effort to put his thoughts down, similar to what I noticed in the last game I played with him. Haven't played with him enough to know his meta. He is usually an easy target because of his aggressive posting. And, I believe that is what is happening in this game. I can see scum pushing his train. Leaning town.

6. Yates - Milton, Vanilla Town - Modkilled D1

7. Leno - He is in his usual jokey + occasional analytical meta. Tough to get whether he is town or scum. Though he seems to have parked his vote on Amega, and playing a safe game. A very safe game. Leaning scum.

8. Dawthe (Darthe/Dawn) - I do not agree with Tommy here about emotional Darthe. Darthe in Twillight game showed a lot of frustration and had an emotional outburst with Cory. I feel he is usualy like that Day 1 and starts bringing his good game D3 onwards. Again, leaning town here.

9. Hallia - from his posts, she seems the usual Hally with low content on Day 1. Null read on her, but slightly town intuition wise.

10. Pral - Town, yes.

11. Nommy (Nyn/Tommy): I have not seen him as town yet, except for a game I modded. So, it is difficult to get a good read on him. Though I notice that when he is scum he picks on any small opportunity/slips he gets and drils down to trap a townie in the ensuing arguments. I am not seeing that aggressive Tommy here. It feels more like he is looking at various persons and getting his reads. Leaning town.

12. Mish - Slightly iffy on her with her nudges in this post and here. She usually does that a lot when she is scum but not seeing enough of that here. Null, but could be scum. INteresting she clears Len and Kaylee as town here who are my top 2 scum reads.

13. Basel - As I mentioned in my earlier post, think he is town because of his posting without abandon. It has not lessened even in his later posts.

Overall, I think Len, Craylee are scum - Tsuki/Zanube/Mish/Hallia null - Tommy, Darthe, Basel, Amega, Clov town.

vote Craylee

 

I just... This whole post. Basel posting without abandon? Basel's posts are short, terse and not quite within the flow of the game. So I don't know where he gets that from. Feels like defending. As Cory pointed out he calls Craylee scum for their "easy" vote on Amega, after Kaylee was the one to build a case that caused others to follow, others that he doesn't FoS. So yeah, weird. And also as Cory and others have pointed out, all his scum reads depends on Amega being town.

 

There'll be more on Pral later in next post, as both Tommy, me and Len has asked him questions that are waiting to be answered and hasn't yet.

 

Mysogeny and sexism Nyn.  Terrible terrible things.

 

 

From what I see there laya is WTL:

Len

Mish

Craylee

Tsuki

 

 

I like all but craylee.  

 

This is quite WTF. Pral lists Tsuki as a null read, and yet Darthe represents it as if Tsuki was on his scum list. Seems like the mafia felt like Tsuki was an easy last-minute lynch or something,.

 

Pral: what has Basel done that is "out of his Mafia range" - all I remember him doing was taking potshots @ Tommy

Am I also to understand that both of your Mafia reads are conditional on your Amega read? Let's play a game here and say I shot Amega this very instant and he flipped Mafia. How does this impact your actual reads?

 

Excited to see the answer to this. Craylee is town without a doubt in my mind.

 

@kaylee/cory first it's funny this is the second time kaylee has gone back to read to only come back with bad information. Lolz Gotta say i love the new angle you guys are pulling here.. Lets get over all the emo whining crap im not buying it. The only post meant to irk you was the second time i repeated that i hit a nerve. It's the only one i admitted to being on purpose. You guys twisting this to apply it to beginning of the conversation and what ever line it is your selling is scummy!!! To be clear the beginning was quite real and my intentions was to give you a new perspective, instead you got defensive and moody about it and blamed you bad mood and you pretty much told me i was a shitty player and shouldn't give my opinions and to not say something to you. Sorry bro but i dont need the ego and you dont get to be disrespectful and then cry about it later to get me lynched. 

 

 

What!!??? You are the one that brought him up. I gave you an answer you didnt like it. Got snooty and defensive. i called it out you insulted me. DONT LIE and expect me to fall over 

 

Kaylee i would go over yours as well but i've seen enough. 

 

 

##unvote mish ##votecraylee

 

Amega making this personal is ick. It's severly bad gameplay. This post in itself isn't alignement indicative, just quoted to say DONT MAKE IT PERSONAL AMEGA.. But in general I have the feel that Darthe and Amega isn't on the same team. Basel and Amega are more likely.

 

 

Basel, do you think Darthe and Pral should have town leans on you ATM with what you have posted in the thread so far?

I think they should have been playing with me for long enough (a couple of years) to know my meta and recognize me as town. Their defense of me is still worth keeping an eye on.

 

 

Self-meta defense more or less. He should be cleared over meta, not over content. Pingpingpingpingping*poof* My scumdar just broke, Basel stretched it over its limits.

 

Not a snowballs chance in hell. He is really green. I want to vote tsuki. Go back and quote five of his posts, your choice which, and I guarantee I can show the sort of strangely weak and "go with the flow" apathetic approach he presents as scum.

##unvote vote tsuki

 

 

 

Actually scratch that. I just remembered the good one he had yesterday. Its less than ideal but it does put him in a better light than mish/len.

Im so dumb at this game of late ).) Lesigh

I dont want to lynch amega today in any case. I would be more amiable to basel than that, if only because I expected a town basel to come in and continue his earlier presence and this one has failed to do so.

 

These two posts make me so confused. Darthe starts a last minute push on Tsuki. And then states right after he remembered Tsuki wasn't so bad after all. But keeps his vote. And here he starts soft FoSing Basel.

 

You realize you may as well lynch me now right? A few days of D1 disorientation like ive shown on this one and I am effed for endgame. No way that presents positively

 

 

 

 

Amega seems to be making this personal so idk how to proceed with him anyway

Pral on the other hand has two posts in the thread, one where he FoSed me hard for voting Amega saying Amega was a scapegoat but has town leans on Tommy and Mish, who were a part of the early Amega push

First, I FoSed you for your frustration post. Second, the point I was making is is the timing of the push. I talked about Kaylee getting an easy jump on the Amega train, which is what it felt like. Thisrd, Mish is also slightly suspect in my list.

As I mentioned about Tommy, a scum Tommy would not leave an opportunistic push against Amega and would have pushed at it hard. I am not seeing it here and hence my town read.

 

 

Here, both me, Len and Cory has asked Pral questions. This is what Pral answers; he ignores the rest (I am pretty sure this post came after the others)

 

Len or Craylee would be my choice today.

Not sold on the Clov/Amega/Darthe wagons.Those have looked extremely easy for the scum to jump into.

 

This post is just... what?

 

 

 

Wat? The Clov wagon didn't even exist until an hour ago.

Yes, but when I see my null/lean scum reads jump on it by easily agreeing with what you say, you know that pings hard for me.

 

 

 

Sure but this is extremely shallow reasoning. Pretend they're not on the wagon. How's my case look?

 

 

Another question I'm looking forward to seeing the answer to...

 

 

 

And because i can see it happening me mentioning that Tommy hadn't been going into ##alliance mood is not a taunt. If you hadn't have asked why i said it. none of this would have happened. I was merely pointing out an observation.... apparently that's a crime these days.

You saying I crumbled last game in response to Tommy was a taunt directly aimed at me

Are you denying this?

 

The entire game including wombat and despo you ego is to large

 

 

This is all Amega posts when he comes back again. He doesn't comment on anything in THIS game. Just continuing his personal whatever.

 

Sadly though, I'm starting to think this is just real bad townie play. If he were mafia, I'm pretty certain his teammates would've asked him to calm down and actually play by now.

 

 

 

Pral pings for his comment about the Clov wagon. As I supspect Amega, Pral having him as as an easy wagon pings as well. 

CrayLee and Nommy seem town. Pushing in all directions. Though I am a bit suspicous of how buddy-buddy Cory and Tommy are.

Darthe is nuetral. 

Clov got pretty heated when pushed by Tommy. Pings enough that I wouldn't feel bad voting him if he doesn't give a good accounting soon.

 

 

This post cements me pretty much that Tsuki is town. If he were mafia, I'm sure he'd be informed about the #alliance in his QT. Because being mafia and going after tommy or cory on that basis is suicide.

 

I think I would still rather have an Amega lynch, although Pral would also be good for me. I'm still feeling a scum lean about Tommy but my wish isn't coming true there today.

 

 

 

 

I think I would still rather have an Amega lynch, although Pral would also be good for me. I'm still feeling a scum lean about Tommy but my wish isn't coming true there today.

Epic Clov case not good enough for you, huh?

 

 

I don't think you're town. So I don't believe you on Clov.

 

 

These two posts, Clov's flip combined with Tommy being the nightkill (and everything else), confirms Basel more or less as mafia. Here, he gets to keep his hands clean from a townie lynch with an extremely thin reason. Townie shouldn't be this locked on D1. He's been tunneling on Tommy since his joke post for christs sake. Refusing to even consider a case on D1 because you find the person posting it suspicious is meh. Especially since Basel isn't even voting Tommy at this point.

 

the speed of the strains build is incredible.does anyone think that the wagon on currently is all town?I don't and so will probably wait until close to deadline to vote for him.how close are we?

 

Also this is meh. "I don't like this train but I'll jump on closer to deadline". Wut. Either you join or you stay off.

 

 

 

 

So, not much has changed in these pages. Sum it up, Basel and Darthe look überscummy. Pral is starting to look very scummy. Tsuki is looking pretty town, wich is good. Amega I think more and more simply is very bad townie.

[michellem]

I can be GOAT?

 

[Cory Caboose]

 

Most of my notes after are pretty minor

 

Where I am:

 

Mish
Lenlo

Tsuki

Zanubespot

Hallia

Amega

Darthe

Pral

Basel

 

 

Okay before I get into my mq's of #wreckface, I want to first make something clear for everyone playing.

 

I, Despothera, am drawing a line in the sand. On this side, I have some glorious townies, people who are shining beacons of what their community demands from citizens of badassitude. They are villa, and their names are:

 

Craylee

Mish

Leno my eno

Tsuki

 

and that's it. Those games I will go to bat for 1000 times out of 1000, and while I'm alive, they will not be lynched. You can take that to the bank buddy.

 

Thing is, we're already down 3 purdy good townies - 4 if you count the hydra as two. Yates, Nommy, and Clov are all great players, and losing the Cop N1 is a big blow to town in ANY game.

 

So there aint no time for messing around. If your name isn't Despothera and it's not on the list above, guess what?

 

 

 

 

And friend, you do NOT want to be on that side of the line. The wolves are imo entirely in your midst, and with all the cross-defending going on between people in your world, you prob think there's more townie on your side or something. But you're wrong, and if you throw your chips in with that lot, you will NOT come out of this on the winning end. You will either be on the losing scum team, or working against the winning town team.

 

So, if you're in this group, and you're town, get outta there quick. I'm not kidding, haul ass out of that place, don't stop to save your goldfish, just git on.

 

 

Amega

Dawthe

Hallia

Pray

Basel

 

 

 

If you're scum, DBSFYMC. Or just sit tight, we'll let you know when it's all over,

 

 

I want you

I want so baaa~aaad, babe!
I want youu~oouuu~oouuu

I want you so baa~aad

It's driving me mad

It's driving me

[Cory Caboose]

I can be GOAT?

 

 

DesMishCrayLee UBER GOAT MAFIA MURDERHOUSE HYDRA is GO

[Lenlo]

Once again, im left ALL ALONE. RTE WHERE ARE YOU WHEN I NEED YOU. RANDOM VIG IS GO.

[Cory Caboose]

Do you guys feel alive?

 

Assuming a three man team, all we need to do is find ONE villager in Pral/Basel/Darthe/Amega/Hallia and the game is solved since we still have a mislynch

 

If you are in that group, POST MOAR AND START MAKING SENSE ASAP

GIEB INSIGHT

 

If I had to guess RIGHT NOW for gloats I would say Amega and Darthe are villagers or at least one of them

 

Darthe either is GOAT emotional manipulator or town, but Des can explain him better than I can (ie at all)

 

I want Basel/Pral wagons and I don't really care which gets lynched

[Cory Caboose]

Lenlo and Tsuki can be cheerleaders

Put a dress on Lenlo 

[Lenlo]

Lenlo and Tsuki can be cheerleaders

Put a dress on Lenlo 

NOT AGAIN. NEVER AGAIN.

[michellem]

Re-read pause for GoT.

[hazelkrs1]

Frak a pile of gym socks these wots are taking a lerng time to write. Might not finish them all before I go to sleep

[hazelkrs1]

Okay there will likely be six of these, first two will be roughly the first 20 pages, next two the next 20, etc.

 

Pt. 1:

 

 

 

 

I GOT NYN'S RAND

Think this is my second time EVER being town on DM

k I'm bored

 

I think I wanna lynch you anyhow.  Hmm.

 

So, Tommy, ya really town or are you pullin my leg?

 

 

Lookie here first post that I found that was scummy, and whaddya know it came from Darthe, the pro-tier mafia rand roller (as in dude's always scum).

 

 

Seriously tho, this post fails on so many levels. Darthe first slips in tone by making it seem like he would want to lynch Tommy even if Tommy were town....

 

Then he follows with the fake scumhunting alert "Gee golly junipers Tommy, are you town for real? Gahuck!" sentence. Blech.

 

btw, Hi Basil! I haven't seen you since I lost my DM virginity in the Star Wars game

 

You will be glad to know the #ALLIANCE has survived and grown in your absence

 

We are known worldwide

 

 

 

 

I think you're scum. Hydra QT is blowing up in red lights that say TOD. Your response?!

My reaponse? Nah, rand to be town brah. Doesnt mean I wont end up helping scum though ).) Dawthe is not a good combo

 

 

Again, Darthe fails like 13 tone tests in this simple post. Rand to be town? Who says that? Well, besides scum I should say. A townie isn't "rand to be town", he's friggin TOWN, unless he didn't read his role pm.

 

And then a cutesy blurb about how he'll end up helping scum team anyways....... @ obvious freud slip which is obvious

 

 

 

LEN U SCUM?

MAYBE. ARE U Y/N?

WITH LOVE, LEN

Tommy only answers this when wolf. I still await response as well.

 

 

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Such a BLATANTLY BLATANTLY scummy post here. Now, Darthe has presented his early push against Tommy as trying to feel him out to gauge alignment, and would likely say this is that as well, but yeah I don't buy it. The openness with which he tries to set up Tommy here is just stupefying.

 

 

AORN would lynch Darthe, Basil, that other guy

Already 0/3 according to my reads. Prognosis is looking grim Tommy.

 

 

Thought this could be a TMI slip at various points while catching up (in regards to Basel... iirc Tommy's third in his post was Lenlo, but I could be wrong there) now not so sure. Basel could be teammates with Darthe, definitely.

 

 

I really want to hear about Darthe's read on That Other Guy personally

I dont actually have one on basel, it just sounds better than ?/3

 

 

#DAT IMMEDIATE BACKTRACK

 

And I am finally here. 

 

Funny thing is, I literally grabbed this quote initially before remembering that Dawn was Darthe's other head, and I was gonna say this was a bad OP

 

But yeah, bad OP.

 

Good evening.

 

*eyes thread*

 

 

aaaaand good night.

 

This actually wasn't a great OP either, but since Mish has clearly shown herself as town

 

 

 

Tommy isn't voting you. I don't understand what you meant by that.

 

I fell in love with Darthe during Twilight Mafia due to his snarky comments being similar to things that I would say, and Cory and I decided that Darthe and I are pretty much one.

 

 

Word.  What do you think of Tommy here?  At first I was irked with his pretty baseless way of assessing, or rather I was with how strongly he was forcing his reads based on it, but I don't think that it is telling where my gut reaction  to it said it was.

 

Italics is awesome example of #FullDarthe. I DARE you to try and make heads or tails out of what Darthe is trying to say there.

 

If someone is stumbling around with their grammar and phrasing.... yeah it just might mean they're struggling to maintain a townie tone.

 

Oh and this doesn't sound like Darthe putting fake pressure on Tommy either- looks totally like him trying to get Clov to help him build a resistance against Tommy

 

I'm already pushing people to not auto-clear you like normal.  You're making a lot of posts to make everyone *like* you which transfers to clearing you really quickly, especially for people who aren't as experienced.  

 

Does it bother you that I am hesitant to give you a town-clear and am intruding on that tommy?

 

This was one of the few posts early on I saw from Darthe that made sense. He is rarely this easy to follow ITT.

 

 

i got mentored so i have been trying to change my style to be more effective and less of a hindrance that should explain the posting style change and pretty much eliminate that last post of yours. 

 

This has already sort of been covered, but yeah bringing up a recent change in meta is never a good sign. If you're scum you can just try banking on that for as long as possible, that you're just playing differently for some other reason than your alignment is different from a recent game

 

A "radical" effect? I've misread Tommy before and I'll misread him again but A) he's a damn hard player to catch on Day 1 and B) if he's town he's going to be an extraordinary valuable asset and someone to work with. It's also much easier to keep tabs on someone whom you have a bridge of communication with. There is absolutely no reason for me to "distance myself" from Tommy Day 1.

 

I take no responsibility for not soulreading the game correctly on a Day 1 - the vast majority of games aren't won on Day 1.

For someone so confident in telling other players how to play the game, why don't you drop your solve on us? You must have been able to solve it by now since you can GOAT soulread and have such a clean perspective.

 

First of when I started seeing Cory as LAWHK CLAIRE. Great response, has that townie emotion, that simply stated logic and clear stance on something, and instantly gauging his interrogator (Amega)

 

As for reads, I have no freaking clue. Ya'll are nuts, and I'mma going to sleep now.

 

Wouldn't get a townie read on most after a line like this tbh, but Tsuki's play kinda makes sense from a townie perspective. Seeing #Alliance in full swing (sorta) for the first time could def be a lot to process, not to mention the greater activity that comes with those players. Could easily see Tsuki starting off kinda overwhelmed by it all. But he doesn't skate by on that for too long, he does start participating and giving reads.

 

why are you getting so defensive about messing up bro? must have hit a nerve. I never said i soul read or solved the game, it's called constructive criticism. I love it when it's constructive, i guess you dont. 

 

Btw didn't you die day 2 or 3 with absolutely no reads on him? 

 

Also you misunderstood what i meant.. You dont need to distance your communication with him, just your views and opinions on him to make your reads clearer for both yourself and the rest of town

. 

Otherwise i can not use your reads if they are clouded by your affection and admiration of him as a player. sorry but its true.

 

Amega, if you ARE town, here's why you're wrong with the way you were approaching Cory- mainly cause of that last line:

 

"Otherwise I can not use your reads if they are clouded by your affection and admiration of him as a player"

 

That's the thing tho Amega- you can feel that way, and take that into consideration when weighing other players against one another, without telling Cory to stop trusting Tommy as much or doing the #Alliance thing. If you feel his judgement is compromised, then that will be for you to consider, and possibly to challenge him on if you get a different opinion. But until there is reason to challenge his read, why poke at him for playing the way he does? You have enough experience with him to know that he addresses the whole thing with him and Tommy (and me to a lesser extent) in just about every game. When both are town, they can easily DESTROY scum teams together. By actively working together ITT, they double each others efforts and also bring about pressure and reactions to pressure much easier. When they're on opposing alignments, they have to figure out who is playing whom before the other does.

 

It just felt like you getting a barb in at him for no reason, to start the game. Not relevant to the game, yet you try building up his reaction to your provocation as significant ("must have hit a nerve")

 

I have arrived

 

This actually wasn't even an OP, yet Hallia acts like it was. Seriously, I think she forgot she had already posted several pages before this lol.

 

Not much, but def gave me an early start thinking Hallia could be scum.

 

i really must have hit a nerve 

 

 

Wow, game starts when I am sleeping and already it is 8+ pages by the time i wake up.

This is going to be fun *sigh*

 

Another bad OP sheesh. Anyways, 8 pages aint a lot to catch up on. It really isn't. Looks like fake tone to me.

 

First and foremost: Let's not let the last game bleed that much into this one plz, this is it's own game, you wanna discuss the other one, go to that thread. It's fine to reference it, but personally it's a bit too dominant right now.

 

 

Vote Amega

 

that trolling of Cory is making me feel iffy.

 

This started Mish in the townie direction. Unafraid to put her vote down quickly, and also had that stern tone about not getting distracted that looks like it came from town!Mish. Vote on Amega was a good vote at the time as well.

 

[hazelkrs1]

Pt. 2:

 

 

 

 

Cory just hasn't set off any bad vibes for me yet (he usually does with opens in games) which is good enough for me for now.  Basel and I seem to be mindmelding.  He never posts a ton but his points are pretty salient here.  I'll take it D1.

 

 

 

So, I am trying to get inside your head and something does not add up here.

 

I am not "setting off bad vibes", so you have a slight town lean on me. Okay.

 

Here's the issue: I don't think I have ever been Mafia in a game with you. Perhaps it's my GOAT townranding, but as far as I can remember we've played some 5-6 games and I have been town in every one. Most notably in Twilight, you made a habit of getting @ me hard as town-town because of "bad vibes", but at some point in all of those games I got NKed by the Mafia and flipped town, soooooooo

So, the logical attachment here should be: Town!Cory gives me bad vibes, shouldn't it? Or at least that I am not playing the way you would EXPECT me to play as town, your "instincts" on my alignment aside.

 

The problem with all this is because of my playing style and because I have some pretty reliable meta tells, I am going to be a universal townread by EOD, so I'm generally not someone smart to FoS as Mafia. I don't believe your townread on me is genuine and I see a lot of reasons you'd want to have a townread on me as Mafia.

 

tl;dr: I think Tommy caught you and you are now trying to win me over.

 

 

 

Cory serves Darthe up here. I think Darthe totally pulled some fake stuff out his heiney irt his townread on you, and I think you caught him dead to rights.

 

 

then again the last time I thought you were making sense was VS Hunt III, but you got LOLganAura'd

 

Can't we just make this an easy world where I can read Smart!Darthe as mafia and Full!Darthe as town? Can't you make ANYTHING EASY

 

Nope.  Multifaceted like that.  However, I am obviously town here.  Willing to stick my neck out, taking on Tommy early, checking everyone for BS.  

 

 

I mean this post is just all kinds of vomit. Darthe calls himself obvious town, then tries to list why even tho he's pretty much the worst candidate for appraisal of his own play so far (any tier 1 wolf can spin their play early on to make themselves seem town)

 

Dropping it now doesn't look good on you Cory.  I want you to carry me through your considerations of my process.

 

Darthe lightly fos's Cory here even tho the whole thing came about because Darthe townread Cory (for dubious reasons)

 

 

 

then again the last time I thought you were making sense was VS Hunt III, but you got LOLganAura'd

 

Can't we just make this an easy world where I can read Smart!Darthe as mafia and Full!Darthe as town? Can't you make ANYTHING EASY

 

Nope.  Multifaceted like that.  However, I am obviously town here.  Willing to stick my neck out, taking on Tommy early, checking everyone for BS.  

 

Who are you trying to convince here? yourself or us? Telling us what you are doing that makes you town is weird. i'd expect you to let your play speak for itself.

 

There's more I edited out of this post (click on arrow in top right corner for full post), but overall it was a good post, and I like Amega instantly challenging Darthe on that awful post. This gives Amega a slight chance to be one of the townies in his group.

 

 

Basil eh. I reread his posts in the game thus far.

He shows up and votes Tommy, saying he's always scum and makes a joke about the lawnmower gif that tommy posted. Comes off like a joke vote so null. Then he posts a gif mocking memes. Later it gets interesting when he seconds Darthe and mentions that he's noticed the pattern of tommy's play on a different mafia game and states that he was scum there. Joke vote doesn't seem that jokey anymore. perhaps? It would be interesting to know if he ever played with tommy before when tommy was town. If he hasn't and therefore does not know how he plays as a townie, then his point here is completely moot. Because he has no point of comparison.
 

Nyn, you don't play as much. So I'm going to guess you've never made a joke vote and then wound up actually feeling a real case on the person you're joke voting. This isn't even the first time this has happened to me. And I've never played with Tommy at all, just modded him once. But I've read through enough of his games to feel that his play here matches his scum meta.

 

This was making me think early on that Basel could be town. It's not great reasoning, but eh I could see town!Basel thinking that way. Furthermore, scum!Basel could easily waffle here, and make it out like he wanted to see how Tommy would react or something. Basel solidifies his stance on Tommy however, an unpopular opinion at the time.

 

However, Basel later ends up looking much dirtier.

 

Kaylee is back to doing that IIOA thing she does as scum.

 

Such an AWFUL AWFUL scummy nudge. Not really a good meta read, and Kaylee WAS giving some decent analysis in her posts. Plus, at the time Darthe was supposedly townreading Craylee. He remembers this in a followup post.

 

 

DAWN WHY ARE YOU IGNORING ME?

It's kind of hard to say much when Darthe doesn't let me. 

 

I also have no reads on anyone yet.

 

 

 

On so many levels

 

 

 

It's kind of hard to say much when Darthe doesn't let me. 

 

I also have no reads on anyone yet.

 

WTF is this dawn?  I posted this and you have never ever responded or discussed anything:

 

Hello Dawn. We have a few rules for this one. I am not just hydraing with you, I'm teaching. Thus, don't rashly go and start posting all over the thread. Post your thoughts here and we will debate them.

 

 

Oh my gosh I can't believe you c/p'd that from a QT obv there's no way you could have just c/p'd anything from the QT and then just manipulated the text afterwards or anything or just typed this into the QT right before you made this post. Yep, you're obv town alright!

 

/end sarcasm

 

Seems fair.

 

Zanube being gone is terrible considering how active his mentor would be.

Clov looks slight town.

CrayJay is slight town (I have issue with Kaylee.  My main tell on her is that as scum she safely always summates instead of giving her impressions, aka IIOA which is information instead of analysis)

Tsuki? no friggin clue

Amega - slight scum, mainly for the taunting post he made at you and for his really spastic manner of overstating everything.  The reason this is slight is because I recently mentored him and watched him do this as town, albeit in a slightly more concise manner.

Lenlo? hasn't been around.  starting to see a trend.  His one significant post was meh.

Hally I can't recall either.  I feel like she has posted but hasn't contributed.  Prob town since that is her MO but I am not willing to clear her yet.

Laya looks a bit better, I recall him contributing meaningfully.  Gut impression, mind you.  I've not actually went back through

Nommy I like this game.  Pressured you right off the bat to see if I could get an atypical opening from you and I got what I wanted from it.  

Mish I can't really recall tbh

Basel I am a fan of here.  His posts, when made, look like town basel based on my quite good meta of him.  Unfortunately that meta is counter-intuitive to what constitutes good scumhunting.

 

Terrible reads list.

 

Darthe first drops the thing Hallia picks up on later- that me mentoring Zanube would have somehow made her more active. Inactives are inactive, having an active mentor doesn't make them suddenly more active.

 

Fencesit on Craylee.

 

Fencesit on Amega.

 

Says Lenlo hasn't been around... even tho he had been. His one significant post up to that point was pretty good, too.

 

Defends Hallia somewhat inexplicably but then immediately distances from that read.

 

Does pretty much the exact same thing with Pray.

 

Says he pressured Tommy early to see an "atypical opening", a phrase Darthe used earlier as well.

 

Doesn't recall Mish... even tho she'd had pretty strong thread presence up to that point...

 

Says Basel is town due to meta, but also indicates that Basel will look scummy, but don't worry his meta is to look scummy yall

 

 

Lol nyn im calling clov town based on very little right now. We are really similar and he is making the same sorts of points that I am. A good example of this is whenhe picked cory out for corys odd post about my townread of him.

It seems to really bother you that I didnt answer that quickly. Tbh I just hadnt read back to figureboutbwhat your question was cause ive been on mobile while nicci was here (she isnt much of a mafia fan) and am busy catching up in another game.

 

Still think it's so friggin weird that your gf is named Nicci and doesn't like mafia, and my wife is Niki and doesn't like mafia

 

 

@kaylee if you go through and read the thread in context you will answer most of the problems with your ##fullrainbow post. 

 

Also constructive criticism and telling a player what they can say along with references that they are not a good player are different things. He should expect some grief. I will say what i want whenever i want to who ever i want..

 

 

This looks like forced #swagger imo.

 

Explain how that is a spin Nyn. My thoughts are direct and on thread. Right now you look like youre spouting anything you can to try and work your angle. When I make statements and you directly ignore parts of them and summarize them I am going to call question to that 100% of the time.

 

Darthe says "spouting anything you can" a lot as scum

 

I have a pretty good feeling coming off of Nyn from this exchange.  Between Darthe worrying about how Dawn will appear and this, I'm leaning scum on him.

 

This was one of the things which made me think Hallia and Darthe being wolf/wolf together was unlikely

 

 

*rolls eyes*

 

I mean, there are quotes in there, with comments, and then your replies, that never was in my original quote. It does not make you look good in the slightest that you're trying to make it seem like I have said things I haven't.

Jesus you make something out of everything don't you.  If you want to see me as permascum then do it and I'll stop wasting my time on you.

 

 

Turrible response here from Darthe. AtE's like the opposite of a BAWSH.

 

So wow, first wot is a lot of bagging on Darthe. HOW UNEXPECTED, RITE???

 

 

[hazelkrs1]

Imma push through and get out all wot's before I go to sleep

 

Lemme just get a bowl and a Big Red, brb

[hazelkrs1]

Some intermission music while I'm gone:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUyKdaNKHzo

[Cory Caboose]

Meanwhile, in the Mafia QT...

 

 

[Cory Caboose]

I'm all like

 

 

and Des comes in and he's all like

 

 

 

Mish is chillaxing and she's all

 

 

 

Lenlo's in the back somewhere and he's all

 

 

and Tsuki is somewhere getting people's genders wrong

[Verbal32]

Cory GOAT gifposter.

[Lenlo]

Lenlo's in the back somewhere and he's all

 

 

Im not sure what this means, but ill take it.

[michellem]

Verb you don't even go to this school!

 

 

Des town. Good. That makes this game a whole lot easier.