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[Basic] Real Genius Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN AND SURVIVOR WIN


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Gif was doubleposted cause it's that awesome.

 

Cory, if you can tell me what Popovich is reacting to there, I will literally send you a marriage proposal in the snail mail (don't mind the snail trail marks on it... sometimes my erm...fingers... get messy...).

 

In other news, Mish looking town so far

Posted

Okay yeah Pray using meta to townread Basel is really strange. Just got to that. Pray is still a relative newblood to the DM mafia scene, and Basel hasn't played a ton lately. Furthermore, Pray says Basel "goes without abandon" when he is town.... Basel was not "going without abandon" early in the thread, most of his posts were fluff up to that point.

 

So yeah, something seems strange there to me as well.

Posted

Len could actually be town this game.

 

Alright, gonna keep catching up but it will be a while before I post again. Bout to head home and watch the Spurs roflstomp Blazers yet again.

Posted

Morning *yawns*

 

Hi Des!

 

 

Re-read starting. Considering we've hit over 50 pages it'll probably take me a few hours.

Posted

Ok for my own sanity's sake I'm gonna do this in bulks of ten pages. So this is what sticks out after the first ten pages for me.

 

 

 

 

I GOT NYN'S RAND

Think this is my second time EVER being town on DM

k I'm bored

 

I think I wanna lynch you anyhow.  Hmm.

 

So, Tommy, ya really town or are you pullin my leg?

 

 

If anyone is wondering "why, Tommy? How can you be so sure that Darthe is scum?"

Well, curious listener, it's something about his tone in these posts... the phrasing is odd, and I wouldn't expect him to be so snarky with me right off the bat. We love each other. It's a bromance like 73% Cory in magnitude, and that's only because he's younger and not yet emotionally mature enough to be on my level.

The "hmm" sticks out to me in an awkward manner, and the question about me really being town makes me think he already knows I'm town and is trying to be lighthearted about his scurrilous accusations in a way that won't get my goat. But it did. It does. My lawnmower is about to go into full orbit.

 

 

I don't have much to say on this post, it becomes relevant very soon.

 

Here. Vote Tommy. Cause he's always scum and there's just no way a lawnmower carries enough fuel to reach orbit.

 

Basel starts of the game with a joke vote on Tommy... And it takes him a very, very long time to change it, if I don't remember too wrongly. More a memo to myself than anything else.

 

 

I took it as more serious on his part, particularly the post where he tried to take apart my phrasing etc, but perhaps that was a dig at how I make mountains out of molehills like that at times.

This stuck out to me, because I've noted before that Darthe seems to have a habit this game of subltly discrediting everyone making points against him. Although Tommy agrees afterwards that is was a little dig/homage to Des, Darthe couldn't know this as we know now Tommy was town (aka he could only have known for sure if they were mafia together, wich we know they weren't). So to me this reads like "oops, got a player on my tail, better brush of their case ASAP".

 

 

 

I'm already pushing people to not auto-clear you like normal.  You're making a lot of posts to make everyone *like* you which transfers to clearing you really quickly, especially for people who aren't as experienced.  

 

Does it bother you that I am hesitant to give you a town-clear and am intruding on that tommy?

 

This also bothered me, he's talking to Tommy here. He's completly ignoring Nyn in this. He's saying he doesn't want town auto-clearing Tommy... But doesn't mention the fact that there is another player sharing his slot that will make it easier for people to read it. Not liking Darthe at all so far.

 

 

I have arrived

 

This stuck out like a sore thumb. Not only is it page 9... But Hallia had already checked in prior to this post (on page 2 or 3 I think). And she doesn't say more than this before almost 12 hours later. To me it seems like someone in a QT reminded her she'd need to post something...

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Gif was doubleposted cause it's that awesome.

 

Cory, if you can tell me what Popovich is reacting to there, I will literally send you a marriage proposal in the snail mail (don't mind the snail trail marks on it... sometimes my erm...fingers... get messy...).

 

In other news, Mish looking town so far

 

THAT IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE SPORTS MOMENTS

 

I loved Shaq, for the record. HACK HIM ON EVERY PLAY

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Page 10-20. Just gonna spoiler it for ease of reading.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm already pushing people to not auto-clear you like normal. You're making a lot of posts to make everyone *like* you which transfers to clearing you really quickly, especially for people who aren't as experienced.

Does it bother you that I am hesitant to give you a town-clear and am intruding on that tommy?


I noticed this pattern of Tommy's play in the Heir to the Empire game. And he was scum then.

 

 

This is Basel's second game related post (he had a meme-post inbetween this and the last one). His first vote on Tommy seemed like a joke vote. And now he's nudging Tommy as scum (yes, nudging, because he doesn't say outright that Tommy is scum here.)

 

 

Town or no, tommy does get conversation going, which is crucial.

 

Bit meh that this is the next post from Hallia. Both the not giving any sort of direct comment at all, and also because like I said this came almost twleve hours after her "I am here"-post. That was all she found to comment on?

 

 

Town or no, tommy does get conversation going, which is crucial.


This much is true.

@Darthe, your new avatar: is that supposed to be Bronn from GoT?

 

 

This post really bothers me. The being very agreeable part, and then straight over into non-gametalk.

 

 

 

LEN U SCUM?

MAYBE. ARE U   Y/N?
 
WITH LOVE, LEN

So is this a subtle accidental slip by Len that he might not be town?

 

 

And then he comes dragging this up that's at least 5 pages back. His post up on the top here shows he was caught up in the game... And then he comes here and drags up an old post. A post that is a null tell at most. Don't like this one bit. Basel on the scum list.

 


Basel goes without abandon when he is town. And, I feel he is trying to do the same here. He continues with this thought even in the later posts when dealing with Tommy. He usually gets lynched D1 when he is town :)

I don't know why this #alliance thing gets brought up again and again. I have seen their games and althought they act all buddy with each other D1, they usually get against once the game progresses. Just a distraction talk.

That said, I have barely seen Tommy as town. That too in one game which did not have Cory or others. So, nearly impossible to determine his alignment just on a few pages in D1.


Did not see any change in your style of posting IN the game you were mentored on. Why would it suddenly change here?

Not really getting good vibes on this early show of frustration by Cory. It is too early to get frustrated and because of that it seems fake - as if trying to get some town cred. Also, putting a bit of fear on newer players that they might mess up.

I had a dream ..........

last night that this game had started and I was GOATing it. Don't blame me !


Please come online at 3:30 AM EST when I am the most active :P

 

 

I've removed nested quotes cause I have too many quotes slready <.< First time around reading this post it gave me a town feeling, now I get a bad feeling from it. I can't put my finger on exactly what it is, but wanted to include it for my own further reference.

 

*creeping out of the shadows*

 

Yeah... This is pretty useless. He hasn't had one game-related post up fo page 20, and he's had half a dozen posts or so.

 


@tommy that is a solid catch on mish. I wasn't particularly concerned enough to comment on her vote. 

 

 

 

Here he call's Tommy's post on me a solid catch... But he doesn't vote me or anything. Also just brushes off my comment on him. Tsk. Scum list.

 

 

Basil eh. I reread his posts in the game thus far.

He shows up and votes Tommy, saying he's always scum and makes a joke about the lawnmower gif that tommy posted. Comes off like a joke vote so null. Then he posts a gif mocking memes. Later it gets interesting when he seconds Darthe and mentions that he's noticed the pattern of tommy's play on a different mafia game and states that he was scum there. Joke vote doesn't seem that jokey anymore. perhaps? It would be interesting to know if he ever played with tommy before when tommy was town. If he hasn't and therefore does not know how he plays as a townie, then his point here is completely moot. Because he has no point of comparison.
 


Nyn, you don't play as much. So I'm going to guess you've never made a joke vote and then wound up actually feeling a real case on the person you're joke voting. This isn't even the first time this has happened to me. And I've never played with Tommy at all, just modded him once. But I've read through enough of his games to feel that his play here matches his scum meta.

 

 

This seems too convenient... Basel is just talking general, not saying exactly what about Tommy is scummy. Doesn't even say what is the difference between Tommy's scum and town meta. It all feels like a too convenient and easy push on Tommy, a player that as town is a big threat to the mafia. Considering how many players come straight from the red wedding mafia where Tommy trolled town to victory, it feels like Basel is going after an easy target here.

 

Heads up I'm trimming down some of the longer quotes to show the part I'm commenting on. (Otherwise it can get confusing). Looking back at Amega's posts some things stood out to me.


 

Here he mentions he's unsure of Tommy and Dawthe. Nothing stands out about that just making an observation here.

 


Blue: Gives advice on how Cory should be playing and now is fence sitting on Tommy.


Blue: Questions Tommy against Darthe. This I found interesting. Does that mean he now is back to suspecting Tommy? Almost seems like he's sticking up for Darthe here. My main point on this is that he is suspicious of Tommy, fence sits, and goes back to being suspicious. More on that later...

 

 

 

Now he directs his attention to Cory. I don't understand the bolded part though. He says Cory/me messed up and he hit a nerve there. 

 

 


Back to fence sitting on Tommy.

 


Blue: kTells Darthe to let his play speak for himself, not tell people he's cleared.

 

Not sure how he feels about Craylee atm, started off saying how Cory should play, riles him, now...?

 

Purple: He accuses Pral of being mafia because of how he worded things.

 

Bold: Says he was just trying to irritate Cory for dictating what he could say? Wait, didn't he tell Cory how to play concerning Tommy? Pot meet Kettle.

 

Green: Agrees with Tommy about Mish. So he now trust Tommy? I'm confused.

 

He ends by telling Darthe to have Dawn play.

 

Trimmed the post down.

 

I still feel this is an extremely valid case on Amega. I have a strong town feel on Kaylee and Cory.

 

 

Kaylee is back to doing that IIOA thing she does as scum.

 

And here's what I've pointed out before... Kaylee posts a case, and Darthe immediatly (indirectly) calls her mafia. Discrediting and nudging.

 

 

 

DAWN WHY ARE YOU IGNORING ME?

It's kind of hard to say much when Darthe doesn't let me. 

 

I also have no reads on anyone yet.

 

 

 

 

Yes, obviously. Why else would he care?

I don't really know. Because he wants to teach me, apparently, and doesn't want me to post all over the thread without thinking about it first. 

 

Darthe hasn't said much in this game, has he? (Well, neither have I, but that's normal for me on the first day)

 

 

Then comes the whole "Darthe isn't letting Dawn post"-thingie, wich tbh I don't know how to read anything out of. But considering Dawn hasn't posted at all for 3-4 days now, I thought it worth noting.

 

Seems fair.

 

Zanube being gone is terrible considering how active his mentor would be.

Clov looks slight town.

CrayJay is slight town (I have issue with Kaylee.  My main tell on her is that as scum she safely always summates instead of giving her impressions, aka IIOA which is information instead of analysis)

Tsuki? no friggin clue

Amega - slight scum, mainly for the taunting post he made at you and for his really spastic manner of overstating everything.  The reason this is slight is because I recently mentored him and watched him do this as town, albeit in a slightly more concise manner.

Lenlo? hasn't been around.  starting to see a trend.  His one significant post was meh.

Hally I can't recall either.  I feel like she has posted but hasn't contributed.  Prob town since that is her MO but I am not willing to clear her yet.

Laya looks a bit better, I recall him contributing meaningfully.  Gut impression, mind you.  I've not actually went back through

Nommy I like this game.  Pressured you right off the bat to see if I could get an atypical opening from you and I got what I wanted from it.  

Mish I can't really recall tbh

Basel I am a fan of here.  His posts, when made, look like town basel based on my quite good meta of him.  Unfortunately that meta is counter-intuitive to what constitutes good scumhunting.

 

This list uses alot of words to say veyr little concise things. The "solid" reads he has (amega, basel) has disclaimers about how those reads can be wrong. Also discrediting Len's post on Amega.

 

Op, forgot this part.

 

 

##vote Amega

 

Him and Darthe are my two bad reads atm, but im also not to confident in my ability to read Darthe as well others.

 

I like Len so far. Getting good town vibes from him.

 

Nyn you have an oddly aggressive tone here. Why?

 

Darthe and Nyn has gone back and forth a while here... And again I feel like this is discrediting. Calling her oddly aggresive insinuates that her points shoudln't be listened too because she's making emotional and not logical assumpsions.

 

@kaylee if you go through and read the thread in context you will answer most of the problems with your ##fullrainbow post. 

 

Also constructive criticism and telling a player what they can say along with references that they are not a good player are different things. He should expect some grief. I will say what i want whenever i want to who ever i want..

 

 

And Amega brushes off Kaylee's case much in the same way he brushed of my vote. Doesn't even mention Len's vote on him here.

 

 

Watching this argument without being directly involved in it, I'm noticing Darthe seems to prefer responding when he feels he's got something to say that makes him look good. That's troubling. Town behavior is generally to speak when thoughts come to you, without excessive concern for how they may be interpreted.

I'm not sure what utility you think you're providing to town right now, Darthe. You're disconnected from the thread, missed important (IMO) interactions like the movement on and off of Mish, and are hedging on most of the players in this game.

Response? Why should I not nuke you today?

 

I agree very much with this.

 

I have a pretty good feeling coming off of Nyn from this exchange.  Between Darthe worrying about how Dawn will appear and this, I'm leaning scum on him.

 

Feeling a bit better about Hallia after this posts. She's giving something.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89145-basic-real-genius-mafia-day-1/?view=findpost&p=3237526

 

@LENLO dont now how to link this but this is the post that tommy voted mish for? literally one sentence about me and a vote and the rest is about other player's so you either didn't read it and just defended misheru or you lied to make tommy look bad? 

 

@tommy what is hard to follow is it the replies in quotes? if so i can put all my replies in a new post and you can use the original quote for context. Or is it in the wording it's self that makes it hard to follow?  

 

And now Amega starts discrediting Len. I read from this post that he finds both me and Len suspicious... But he still hasn't placed a vote at this stage.

 

 

 

 

Scum list so far: Darthe, Basel, Amega.

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Gif was doubleposted cause it's that awesome.

 

Cory, if you can tell me what Popovich is reacting to there, I will literally send you a marriage proposal in the snail mail (don't mind the snail trail marks on it... sometimes my erm...fingers... get messy...).

 

In other news, Mish looking town so far

 

THAT IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE SPORTS MOMENTS

 

I loved Shaq, for the record. HACK HIM ON EVERY PLAY

 

 

:wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:

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So Cory LOCK CLEAR

 

Mish LOCK CLEAR

 

Nommy WAS LOCK CLEAR

 

building from there

 

Oh and I just saw something which def makes me think Nommy had a N0 peek on me

 

Makes too much sense, like they knew I would come in and #wreck the thread

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P 20-30.

 

 

 

 

 

:dry: Len you grow less helpful every game of late.

Nyn you still havent explained how I am spinning anything here. I want your reasoning and I want to see depth from you. How else am I supposed to refute points against me or get a good feel for you?

 

I analyzed your post. You implied in your response that my annoyance at being ignored is the reason I've read you so wrong. That's spinning. It's not true. My annoyance had nothing to do with it. You provided a list of leans based on meta and in the end you indicated that meta is not good scumhunting. It seemed contradictory so I pointed it out.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

Please for the love of god Quote what post you're talking about.  You either aren't reading my words or you're terribly biased.  I can't show myself as town to someone who treats me like I am scum before reading my posts.  And yeah, I am going to be rightfully frustrated about that.  You should get that.



 

 


Bold: I don't like how Darthe immediatley started discrediting after Kaylee's case on Amega. And then he also calls Amega scum here. Feels like both defending Amega and distancing from him. I think scum/scum. And I really don't like him refusing to comment on me at all pretending to not remember anything.

In general this post is ugh and I could move my vote here.

 

 

Discredit?  That assumes my post from a mafia perspective before assessing it.  Or it is a push.  Neither do I like.  Also, "pretending" to not remember anything.  I said I didn't remember her because I didn't but even if I did, how would Mish KNOW if I was pretending or not?  That entire argument is complete 100% phony bullshanks.



 

Nyn you have an oddly aggressive tone here. Why?

 

Lol. Nyn is always aggresive in mafia games. You trying to discredit her for it is weaksauce.

 

Discredit?  That assumes my post from a mafia perspective before assessing it.  Or it is a push.  Neither do I like.  Feeling some Deja Vu here.

 

 

Dont brush it off. Ive known you for almost two years. You arent generally like this.

 

Who's brushing it off?  Of the two of us, I'm the one who's answering questions when asked.

 

I don't mean to brag, but I'm doing it in a timely manner as well :D

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

Nyn is awesome and so won that back and forth. Nyn town, Darthe scum. Boom, as Des would say.

 

I hate when people say dumb things like this.  This isn't about Nyn vs. me, it is town vs mafia.  Trying to make it so that it is between us is really bad and is a universal tell though it doesn't have a name.

Responses to this are in the post because it would be too unruly otherwise.  They are bold.  Please note that none of my posts were consecutive.

 

 

Now, to kill scum.  ##unvote vote Mish

 

 

 

I make a post where I declare my suspicion of Darthe. And thus, I also land on his scum list.

 

 

*rolls eyes*

 

I mean, there are quotes in there, with comments, and then your replies, that never was in my original quote. It does not make you look good in the slightest that you're trying to make it seem like I have said things I haven't.

Jesus you make something out of everything don't you.  If you want to see me as permascum then do it and I'll stop wasting my time on you.

 

 

Almost excat line he used against Nyn in blue&bold at the top of previous quote.

 

 

Also, ##unvote vote Len

 

Len apparantly made better points against him, so he moves his vote to Len two posts or so after voting me.

 

With that I am out for a little bit.  I'm just getting irked with the stubbornness and immense level of foolishness going on here and it can't be productive.  Los cientos to those who were attempting to talk.

 

AtE-alarm. Between the lines saying people are just being stubborn and foolish in voting and casing him, so we shouldn't be listened to.

 

@Kaylee i'm pretty sure tommy is town but its to early to tell for certain. I want to see where he pushes today and tomorrow. 

 

@even though kaylee is paranoid and reading into things that weren't there she seems to be making a sold effort in understanding whats going on with more than just me. With cory's play id put them as solid town.

 

Len and mish look like they are playing off of each other and they dont have much to go on. Yes i did post on purpose to irk cory i even said what i was doing right afterwards. He was being a meany! :)

 

Darthe's last few post seem to show some genuine frustration and he has some solid points. @Tommy do you still have a scum read on darthe? mine is wavering to null/town

 

Also lets take a look back at mish's post. Out of everything that happened and their wasn't alot but a few things the only thing GAME CONTENT ORIENTATED she could mention was my troll post. This is odd. Lenlo also piggy backs this reasoning.

 

##vote Mish

 

And Amega finally gets around to voting me. He doesn't mention the rest of my posts though; only my first one. Also linking me to Len.

 

 

So if you really think im scum show me why in other post's i've made. since then instead of clinging to a sarcastic post which shows exactly nothing to prove your point.

Im not trying to lynch a townie But you are

Im not trying to discredit or lay out wifom. You are.

I'm not blowing things out of proportion. you are.


This post seems to boil down to "but I'm TOWN! TOWN!" It's like Amega is trying too hard to tell us that he's town. Unvote. Vote Amega.

 

 

This posts seems to be a bus-post.

 

Despite feeling WAAYYY over my head in this (BASIC) game, I'm throwing a vote Darthe/Dawn's way.

I really don't have a good about him, but it's the only one I'm even slightly confident about.

 

VOTE DAWTHE

 

Tsuki, I am honestly frustrated at you. I don't think you are mafia, but COME ON please do try and show your alignement if you're town. This isn't helping.

 

Tommy the issue here is that im incredibly investigative this game and nobody has liked that Im not willing to candor to artificial standards of what "a townie is supposed to do". Dont dare say this is bad play sinply because you dont agree with my direction.

 

"Incredibly investigative".

Did a quick ISO on Darthe's posts. His play has been almost all reactive, very little proactive. Almost all his posts are responses to others people's thoughts on him or other players. I wouldn't call that incredibly investigative. Also, insinuates that people are suspecting him because they just don't like his playstyle.

 

So much discrediting.

 

 

 

Why do you think Hallia is MORE active as scum?

 

Barring the abnormal Assassin's Creed game (75 posts by Hallia, as Town), in the following games:

 
Poker Night Mafia - 9
Assassin's Creed - 75
Catching Fire - 36
House - 56
Star Wars Heir game - 28
Greek mythology - 20
The Perfect Pizza - 37
 
All games that I have checked. In only ONE of them did Hallia's count break 40 - The House game, with 56. That is also the only game in the list where she is scum.

 

 

Hally was also scum in the Heir to the Empire game. However, her post count is lower for that one than I think it would be otherwise, because she came in as a replacement for AJ.

 

 

This post by Basel nudging Hallia as mafia.... Ick.

 

##Unvote

##Vote Darthe

 

2Angry4Town
 

 

 

^Everything I do is scummy to tommy.  Book it when I'm dead.

 

And we're back to "everyone has decided I'm scummy, poor me".

 

A quick read on Darthe. I think he is town. I can't find holes in his argument, and he owned up to his accidental misquoting of Mish rather than pushing the issue and continuing to misrepresent her, while I think scum would have done the latter.

 

This is so general and unspecific you can get it. He basically doesn't say a thing. 99% Basel/Darthe is scumscum.

 

 

 

I disagree. What's the point of pushing something that can easily be verified? Him retracting on that is null.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

 

A quick read on Darthe. I think he is town. I can't find holes in his argument, and he owned up to his accidental misquoting of Mish rather than pushing the issue and continuing to misrepresent her, while I think scum would have done the latter.

The problem I have with statements like this is you don't specify what argument you're referring to and you are wiping a lot off the whiteboard by saying "he would continue to lie about Mish if he was scum so he's town." Nyn is right that correcting a blatantly wrong statement is null and would be terribly stupid for scum to push since it's flat out wrong and would make him look worse.

So you give Darthe a gold star for... literally one reason, and not even a good reason.

How about you start trying?

 

 

 

 

Okay so town leans:
CrayLee
Lenlo
Mish

Weak town leans:
Amega
Tsuki
Hallia

Null:
Clov (just cuz he's good at scum)
Pral (really need to read him)

Bothersome:
Darthe
Zanube
Basel

That's where I'm at. I suspect all 3 scum are in my bottom 5.

Len what did Pral do or say ITT?

 

 

Mish: I think Tommy seemed to be trying to move some suspicion toward her. He glossed over having seen her as scum in the past, and also brought out the "discuss one person, vote another" line on her when that strikes me as misrepresentation.So I have a town read on her.

 

lol Glossed over. With the amount of games tommy plays in site wide, it really is no surprise that he can't remember every single person he played with and exactly what alignment they were. What's the point of lying about something that Mish can prove in a heartbeat by just providing a link?

 

Also yeah, tommy tried to misrep Mish and then put her in his town lean list. Solid story there LOL

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

 

Tommy and Nyn said all I wanted to say about this.

 

 

Hmm.  I would shoot

 

Zanube today

Mish tomorrow

 

He is still voting Len at this point, in other words Len should be his main suspect. But he doesn't even get on the list.

 

 

If Des ever replaces Zanube (anticipate that he will) I am willing to be that he is pissed about the above post and talks crap about me being scummy for it all game.  He really does not like when people target him or someone he is associated with =p 

 

However, it does make the most sense.  Vigging inactives D1 is a safe way to promote a lot of good things for the town and remove apathy.  Mish is my scumread but I am not confident enough in it to shoot someone who might show herself to be town later or have a PR.  

 

And: pre-emptivly discredits Des. Lol.

 

 

 

 

 

You know what, even though I'm not done with the rereading, I'm gonna

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

 

Cause there is just too much scummyness.

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OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Hallia (1) - Basel

Dawthe (1) - Mish

 

Not Voting (8): Despo, CrayLee, Tsuki, Amega, Leno, Dawthe, Hallia, Pral

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Day 2 Deadline is Tuesday, May 13 @ 9 PM MST/PDT.

Deadline Link: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140513T21&p0=197&msg=End+of+Day+2&csz=1

 

Mod Notes:

Kaylee will be on LOA from May 8 - 11.

Posted

God it has taken her two whole days to OMGUS me.

 

@Des duh that was a joke. Still not surprised you missed the humor in it.

Posted

If you think Mish is scum, please make a real case on her that makes sense besides that she thinks you are Mafia - she makes sense to me and has WIM

My reasons for thinking you are town are almost 99% emotive since I can't follow you logically and I will admit I have read people wrong emotionally before

I would prefer not to lynch EITHER of you today. I'm on page 42 currently with a glass of wine and I'm almost entirely sure I POE'd this game successfully Day 1. I don't see anything all that different. I have an idea of what Des will see if he's town (and I'm going to treat him like it's Day 1 since he just entered the game anyway so basically expect me to white-knight the hell out him) and hopefully I can do what I failed to do in Day 1 and that's hardclear some villabr0s to make this easy when I die

 

WINTER IS COMING.

 

I would to look into and perhaps even DISCUSS things with Amega today (he has been active in the other game but disappeared in this one as soon as people starting thinking he was too volatile to be Mafia)

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