[Advanced] Once Upon a Time Mafia- Game Over, Town Wins!!!

[Tsukibana]

As for the final scum, yeah, looking at lurkers is best.

Scum one controls and drives town, puts himself out there, is active. AJ

Scum two acts just scummy enough to draw suspicion, but has scum one to defend them and consistently avoid lynch. Dawn

Scum three lurks, safely, so that if S1 and S2 bite the bullet, town is left flailing. Mystery Lurker.

 

Yeah, textbook scum team.

[Andrej]

You seem to have a lot of knowledge of how scum teams operate Tsuki.

 

It could be said that you've been very out there as well, yes?

 

At the very least I can say that I have backed my words up with votes and been held accountable for them. I'm not always going to be right - you trying to knock my game overall is hilarious. Like I said, if you actually care about finding scum - READ DAWN'S ISO. If you aren't able to look at her posts objectively and see that her suspicions and line of questioning are consistent with how a townie would view the game then I don't know what else to tell you. You made a Psych 101 comment earlier to Turin - so you should understand where I am coming from here. Read the ISO.

[Andrej]

Also, Town had a RBer - it's very unlikely the scum team does as well just for how the NAs would work out because of the possibility that they both RB each other, etc. Night Action Resolution would be all kinds of wacked.

[Tsukibana]

Yeah, i DO know how a scum team operates. I was 3 for 3 scum in my first 3 games. Only difference was, I was active, engaged, and listened to the people in my QT guide me. Darte and Dice gave hella advice my first game.

 

I did read the ISO, I am the ONE the mentioned it in the first place.

[Tsukibana]

*Darthe

[Tsukibana]

Also, Town had a RBer - it's very unlikely the scum team does as well just for how the NAs would work out because of the possibility that they both RB each other, etc. Night Action Resolution would be all kinds of wacked.

Don't buy it. This is an advanced game, first off, and second, time is experienced as mod. She'd have a plan in place.

[Thane Vakarian]

so... guys. Although i really dig what you both are doing here, i read two townies giving eachother hell.

 

Shouldn't we focus on the obvious scum and clean out the harder to find after?

[Nikonis]

I stayed up late all night for this, got sidetracked, now here we are quite late and finally get to post.

 

Let's try to get a scum today.

 

I'm the Cop. Hallia is town. I can't wait to see AJ's reaction now. Wish I could see a video of him eating his hat, or all the other things he said he would do if he's wrong.

RTE claims cop almost right at the start of the day phase, not sure whether or not to believe him but definately don't want to vote him off until we can get a better feel for it.

On the one hand he could be town but, on the other, he could be claiming cop to save himself for another round. If false claim it also makes me wonder if Hallia is one of his teammates or if he is claiming it to make his claim appear legit if she is lynched/NK'd.

 

 

 

Now Andrej, please make a big post about how you were wrong and OMG how can it be or Hallia is GF or something. Please, let me start my morning with a smile tomorrow.

 

Goodnight folks.

Almost seems like he wants AJ to throw a fit over the claim...

 

 

 

See, that I can do.  I'll likely have lots of towns.

You likely have lots of towns?  It's Day 3, why wouldn't you KNOW how many people are on your scummy feels list?

 

 

 

 

You realize you probably would've been lynched today if it weren't for your Cop claim, right? So although, yeah - I was wrong - you could've done a better job portraying yourself as well. It's not like I'm the ONLY one who has been suspicious of you this game for what you have said/done.

That goes for Hallia too. Having the Cop need to clear you as a townie isn't awesome by any means - their job is to find scum. If you are town you basically just wasted a Cop view that could've found one of the mafia players. YOUR job is to make yourself look as townie as possible.

I'm also not going to rule out the potential of a GF just yet. I want to see Hallia actually start to contribute this game. She seems much more amenable to list some reads now that she is 'cleared' and Night is over - still not good vibes.

 

AJ, does this mean you are taking the cop claim at face value with no questions? Isn't false claiming a role a mafia trick?

 

 

 

 

Okay, so the Vig was probably a 1x shot then if they didn't shoot last Night.

 

Which roll(s) normally get vig shots and is it possible that the Vig was RB'd by Thane(2) prior to death?

 

 

 

vote Turin

 

Or does feel like you're trying to lead town, and in a bad way

I don't see how Turin's asking for feels is "trying to lead town". Don't know why he wants is worded so specifically but just don't see how wording something one way or the other can be considered leading.

 

 

 

Oh yea, Henry.

Not sure why you would claim cop then turn around and claim Henry... Henry is a child and, if the roles follow the show at all, the cop would be Sheriff Graham Humbert (Huntsman), Emma Swan or Walter the security guard (Sleepy).

Could anyone verify if roles are always based on the movie/show/book characters profession or can they be random?

[Andrej]

So you disagree then?

 

Looking at her objectively I can see why she was suspect of those that she was at the time and I think her play and commentary on thread backs that. If the biggest point you have to make is that she has only pushed at people who have flipped town then you really don't have much of a strong case - her suspicions look organic to me, which scum aren't able to fake.

 

If you're basing your scum read on her because of me then you are doing it wrong. You mixed me and RTE up, fine, but that doesn't explain why you never put your vote on me instead. It also doesn't explain the point you brought up when you voted him, regardless of it you meant it for him or not. YOU SAID THAT HIM PUSHING ITHI THE DAY BEFORE HAD COME BACK TO BITE HIM IN THE ASS. I have continued to question you on this point specifically because to me - it implies that you thought he (or me in this case) were scum for pushing someone that turned up town. Now why would I, as scum, push someone hard on thread only to NK them the next phase? Like I said, this look like a failed set-up attempt on your part that you quickly retreated from once RTE claimed Cop. Even now instead of answering you just counter and say 'why would the scum team be worried about making you look bad? You've done that enough yourself.' which in a way implies that you could know I'm NOT mafia.

 

It also fits kind of nicely now that since you jumped onto the Dawn wagon that suddenly you start to point out all these connections that you were able to find and how you are going to ride her wagon out since I must be 'protecting' her. Convenient to say the least.

[Tsukibana]

 

 

Oh yea, Henry.

Not sure why you would claim cop then turn around and claim Henry... Henry is a child and, if the roles follow the show at all, the cop would be Sheriff Graham Humbert (Huntsman), Emma Swan or Walter the security guard (Sleepy).

Could anyone verify if roles are always based on the movie/show/book characters profession or can they be random?

 

 

Henry feels like a valid Cop claim. Cops suss aligment, in the show Henry was the only one who knew what fairy tale person someone was.

[Andrej]

That's kind of interesting.

[Andrej]

so... guys. Although i really dig what you both are doing here, i read two townies giving eachother hell.

 

Shouldn't we focus on the obvious scum and clean out the harder to find after?

 

When did your read on Tsuki change?

[Tsukibana]

 

It also fits kind of nicely now that since you jumped onto the Dawn wagon that suddenly you start to point out all these connections that you were able to find and how you are going to ride her wagon out since I must be 'protecting' her. Convenient to say the least.

Hey, AJ, go back and find where YOU told me how to ISO a person. Yeah, that. Still convenient?

And I am still on Dawn because, as stated, I think she has the PR. You, you are goon trying to protect your flighty PR.

[Andrej]

@ Nikon - For now, yes, I'll believe the claim at face value. I can't really blame him for the smug response either - but as I said if it weren't for the fact he had the claim to fall back on he would probably be sitting pretty high in the VC currently. No one has CC'd yet and I don't really anticipate anyone will with his reactions during N1 about the phase change only being 26 minutes or whatever. It fits with his claim of not having a view that Night and I don't see him as mafia laying that sort of breadcrumb for a later claim.

 

Now if this all falls through and it was some elaborate fake-claim gambit to clear both him and Hallia - then hey, hat's off to them. It was pretty ballsy and that is the type of play that scum will need to win games sometimes.

 

We'll see if anyone comes in to CC, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Thane Vakarian]

AJ, i've been following your little interaction a bit. Tsuki feels a bit better from my point of view, and you both seem in quite a discussion. Now, if you're trying to convince eachother, good. But why not go after the most likely scumreads, and fight it out later. We need to get scum lynched, asap, if town wants to have a chance.

[Andrej]

Tsuki I'm going to break it down shotgun style for you so you can see exactly why you drew my irr today. I like the fight you are putting up, which in a way tells me you are very self-aware and know your innocence, but I want you to seriously explain this for me so I can understand your thinking.

 

I dislike the way you are retroactively finding more things to justify your vote on Dawn with.

[Tsukibana]

I dislike the way you are retroactively finding more things to justify your vote on Dawn with.

I have been on her since day one. How much further back you wanna go?? As for it now seeming to come to a head, shouldn't have reminded me how to ISO.

[Andrej]

VOTE RTE

 

I think you holding on to Ithi, and being the only one to do so, just bit you in the ass.

 

SK would've pinged someone last night. Chae went down from a Vig.

 

This is how you start D3. I bolded the bit that stands out to me and I really - really need you to be specific here with what you were going for. Your sentence implies that you think RTE (later me) is guilty because I was holding onto Ithi for the majority of the Day and now that she has died and flipped town it has come back to bite me in the ass. Again - how does this make sense if I am mafia? To me this looks you trying to set up RTE via the NK.

 

 

VOTE RTE

 

I think you holding on to Ithi, and being the only one to do so, just bit you in the ass.

 

SK would've pinged someone last night. Chae went down from a Vig.

 

I am not getting what you are saying here

 

Turin questions it as well, so I'm not the only one confused or curious about it.

 

 

 

VOTE RTE

 

I think you holding on to Ithi, and being the only one to do so, just bit you in the ass.

 

SK would've pinged someone last night. Chae went down from a Vig.

I am not getting what you are saying here

 

 

ahh, &*%$. I absolutely, 100% messed that up. I have no idea why I thought RTE was the one badgering Ithi.

UNVOTE

 

This is your response to Turin(soon after RTE comes out with his post claiming Cop). You say that you got RTE mixed up with someone else, fair enough, but it still doesn't address the main point - which you apparently are ignoring or aren't able to grasp - of WHY YOU THOUGHT ITHI'S DEATH POINTED TO A PLAYER SPECIFICALLY?

 

 

Hey Tsuki - didn't you say you liked to wait until the last minute to vote?

 

Hmmm. 

 

Yes, I did. And see what happens when I try to do something different? I jump to erroneous conclusions.

 

I question you on the quick vote since just the previous phase you defended yourself about not being on Thane1's wagon because you like to wait until closer to DL and were also absent until after the time he was hammered. The bolded bit at the end does read pretty genuine, I'll give you that.

 

 

 

That still doesn't explain how you tried to immediately turn that onto RTE and then once he claimed Cop you quickly backed off. Who did you actually mean - and what exactly were you trying to say? That the scum NK'd the same person they were pushing in thread?

 

 

I did not back off because he claimed cop. I backed off because I had thought he was YOU, badgering the hell out of Ithi the day before. I posted in haste, wrongly, because, as you said, I thought those pushing on Ithi implicated themselves. It's not an excuse, but I was in a hurry, distracted, and made a mistake.

 

So this is where I am not beginning to follow along with you. In the post above you had me listed as Town, but here you are saying that you mixed up RTE with me when you voted him. Fair enough, again, but after coming to the realization that it was me you were actually thinking about - why didn't you vote me then and there? How was I listed as a town read in a previous post if you thought that those pushing Ithi had implicated themselves when she turned up dead?

 

These are the questions I need answers to. I dislike how you quickly voted RTE after Turin did, seeing as how he would likely have been ran up rather quickly today after all the talk the previous Night, and then once he claims Cop you quickly back off and use the excuse that you got him mixed up with another player - but you never follow that up. The logic that you used to vote RTE thinking he was scummy (or me as you claim) is not congruent with how you listed me as town previously and how you did not vote me after coming to this realization. I think you blundered here, and pretty badly.

 

 

Tsuki - you never answered my question earlier. You were saying that you thought RTE was me for pushing Ithi yesterday? Please clarify.

 

What needs clarified. I thought it was him pushing hard on Ithi, ithi turns up dead, and my misunderstanding, coupled with several small things (that I am still isolating) pinged SO hard that I immediately felt it was the nail in the coffin. Am now trying to figure out just what it is that put him so close to being scum (when I didn't think about it), but makes me think he's Town when thinking about it (ie The List).

 

Hm, seeing my question above I can see how maybe I wasn't as clear as I could've been. I meant to get you to clarify on how you thought Ithi turning up dead made those pushing her on thread scummy. I think this time you actually did follow up on here though, I remember something from you earlier that said when you looked back at RTE nothing pinged for you specifically.

 

 

 

i'm harder to get rid of than the toughest weed.

 

let's see how long i shall manage this time

 

Thane, are you immortal?

 

Because it seems that you are. 

 

Holy Love of God... your first post, on Day 3, when town is down and hunting, and it's a Joke?!?!

 

Can we PLEASE target the one person who seems to be consistently on everyone's scum list but never gets more than 2 votes?!?!

 

VOTE DAWN

 

Really don't like this. The attack just seems too easy imo - as I've said, according to you and your logic then your vote should have been on me previously. This just feels like a cheap wagon to climb onto which has the added backing of the Cop already voting her. I can agree that I would like to see more from her, but looking back I am pretty confident that Dawn is town. That doesn't make you scum necessarily but you are definitely pinging me today. Your overall tone and posting just seems way more abrasive. 

 

 

I concede that the last point you make is pretty valid though in most cases, I also think Dawn is just relatively listed as scum because people don't generally know what to make of her - myself included.

[Turin Turambar]

I don't see AJ as mafia-mafia with dawn.

 

I think I would like someone to come forward and claim the chae kill.

[Andrej]

 

I dislike the way you are retroactively finding more things to justify your vote on Dawn with.

 

I have been on her since day one. How much further back you wanna go?? As for it now seeming to come to a head, shouldn't have reminded me how to ISO.

 

She's a pretty easy person to target imo. I think you could've pushed her a lot harder if you thought he was legitimately scum instead of kind of batting her around like you did on D1 with your Basel questions.

 

And to further help you, because I want you to be able to make your cases clear, whenever you are in the ISO window and reviewing someone's posts, click the little string of numbers at the top right corner of each post. This will take you to it directly where it is in thread, multi-quote it and then hit Back to return to the ISO section. It will save all the posts you grabbed to pull up again when you return to the game thread.

 

You're welcome

[Tsukibana]

 

 

I dislike the way you are retroactively finding more things to justify your vote on Dawn with.

 

I have been on her since day one. How much further back you wanna go?? As for it now seeming to come to a head, shouldn't have reminded me how to ISO.

 

She's a pretty easy person to target imo. I think you could've pushed her a lot harder if you thought he was legitimately scum instead of kind of batting her around like you did on D1 with your Basel questions.

 

And to further help you, because I want you to be able to make your cases clear, whenever you are in the ISO window and reviewing someone's posts, click the little string of numbers at the top right corner of each post. This will take you to it directly where it is in thread, multi-quote it and then hit Back to return to the ISO section. It will save all the posts you grabbed to pull up again when you return to the game thread.

 

You're welcome

 

You are actually correct, there. However, as I had just returned from a 9 month hiatus, I was not confident enough in my gut reasoning, and allowed myself to move off target.

 

Thank You.

 

As for why I didn't vote you immediately after I realized you and RTE had been mixed in my mind:

1) RESEARCH

2) RESEARCH

As for Why I didn't answer you clearly:

1) RESEARCH

2) Never warn the suspect that you are gathering evidence for the Grand Jury.

 

deal with it. I am obstinate, and under no obligation to be candid and forthcoming with someone who ROCKETED up my scum-dar once I realized what was what.

[Andrej]

Who have we not heard from?

 

TG and BFG I think are the only two left that haven't been able to verify the Chae kill iirc.

[Thane Vakarian]

and, well... those two need to be lynched.

[Nikonis]

Well, unless something comes up to prove RTE's claim wrong two of my four scummy suspects are temporarily off the table.

That leaves Ed and BFG and, since Ed was mostly there for inactivity, I'll take a look at the latter.

[Andrej]

Just finished BFG's ISO. Don't think she's scum either - just busy. I dislike how she hasn't been on either lynch train but the questions she has been asking and the people she has been pushing coincides with how I am seeing the game. We have spotted and reacted similarly to a lot of the same things - this is a good sign. I think there are other, better lynch options.

 

Right now I'm looking at TG/Nikon/Ed being solid choices. Tsuki still bugs me but we will see on him.

 

@Nikon - why would Ed have been on your list above TG for inactivity?