[Advanced] Once Upon a Time Mafia- Game Over, Town Wins!!!

[ReleaseTheEvil]

I meant mafia instead of town is inactives in that line.

[Thane Vakarian]

Well, a good option would be to go after TG today, and have the vig go after BFG during the night.

 

I understand that Ithi/Thane2 went after Ed/Thane3 before, due to lurking in the shadows. Turns out Ed asked to be replaced, which explains his inactivity. Rest assured, Thane3 is still Thane2 is still Thane1, which is town.

[dawnflower8]

  On 5/8/2014 at 4:01 PM, Andrej said:

@ Dawn - Did you shoot Chae?

No. If I was the vig, I would've shot Ithi.

 

And I'm not the vig. 

[Andrej]

I'm beginning to tinfoil a bit on Tsuki. I just read through Dawn's ISO and I really don't think she looks that bad. She questions a lot of people's reads on her, which is kind of odd, but at the same time an effective way of handling others I suppose. She wants people to explain WHY they read her as town, which I think kind of lends to her being town in a weird way. She doesn't just take the read at face value and move on as I think most of us would. She did some similar line of questioning in the Red Wedding game that I keep bringing up (she was town that game).

 

His point that she has only scum read players that have turned up as town is moot, as most of us at this point have also been fairly wrong. I'm going to read through him next and see if I can make any connections with the other people I think could be scum.

 

ATM I'm leaning towards Tsuki & TG with the other 2 shaking out of BFG/Ed/Nikon

[Thane Vakarian]

i'll nearly agree with you AJ, except for the fact that Ed (me#3) is town.... so if your suspects would be accurate, scum has been unearthed, and we need to get going on lynching those people.

 

 

 

out of char: and AJ, you have a replacing-people-record?

[Turin Turambar]

RTE, WHO ARE YOU?

[Tsukibana]

  On 5/8/2014 at 4:33 PM, Andrej said:

Tsuki - Who do you think Dawn's teammates are or could be?

 

 

YOU.

 

# 3232584

"Notes" Basel's defense of Dawn

# 3233427

Shrugs off Thane calling him "master scum"

Ends post eyeballin' Tina and Basel

# 3234195

Talanes notes Andre mentions BFG and Town twice. Pings for Tal.

#3234774

Answers for Dawn against my questioning.

#3234778

Votes Basel. Null on RTE. Suspicious of me (for digging at Dawn)

#3234940

Wants to look at Thane and Basel. Says Dawn looks good(WTF). has TG and BFG as suspects, null on RTE. Nikon pings for him, Suspicious of Tal

#3234985

Calls dice Town (out and out)

#3234999

Calls his Dice read a "soul read" (what is that? Unfamiliar with term)

#3235122

Chels calls him on defending Dawn.

#3235133

Jokes about being NK'ed. (Hasn't happened, despite AJ being VERY active and involved in "scum hunting"

#3235135

Votes me, for baiting Dawn.

#3235560

Once again defends Dawn, against Ithi - for skirting around direct questions; and AGAIN against Ithi, when she links Dawn to AJ by asking dawn if she is on a team with AJ or Dawn; Votes Ithi, start of the whole "her son" argument

#3235562

"Ithi/RTE D1 wagons FTW" (Please note, BOTH rolled Town)

#3235590

Defends Dawn (and Thane's) defense of him.

#3235656

Accuses Ithi of sheeping people, despite her being the only one voting for him.

#3235937

Defends Dawn's defense of him AGAIN.

Maintains tunnel on Ithi

Calls out dice, his "soul read", for linking him and Dawn, and voting AJ

#3236229

Decides Thane is town.

Thinks Dice is Town.

Calls Dawn Borderline.

Votes basel

#3237256

Helpfully points out that 2 or 3 scum were on the basel train:

TG, dawn, AJ, Chae (Town), Thane(Town), Ithi(Town), Hallia(Town, if you buy RTE's claim), Nikon, Tsuki (Town)

Want to look at "the latter half of the wagon", yet only one NOT a sure town on that end is Nikon

Calls me a permascum read (pretty accurate, that)

#3238418/XX18

Tells Nikon and DAWN that pointing out PRs ITT is bad.

#3238426

Implies scum will "Pile On" a late D1 train. Please see notes above concerning said train.

#3238429

Votes Dawn, Finally

#3238575

Mentions a Dawn or Thane lynch being fine with him

Calls Me, BFG, and Nikon town. Despite 2 of the 3 being on the "latter half of the basel train" (methinks he KNEW there was no smoke there.

#3238647

3 bullets - Thane, Dawn, Hallia

#3238745

Thane, Hallia, RTE, Dawn listed as his top scum

Unvotes Dawn, Votes Hallia

#3238774

Defends Dawn's vote on basel (says it was a legitimate reason - who asked??)

#3238841

says dice being NKed could be to make him look bad (why?? His scum reads are popping up town, but not at this point in the game)

#3238843

Willing to swap vote from Hallia to Thane, RTE, or Dawn, "in that order" (again, why Dawn so far down the list??)

#3238850

talks about Thane and Hallia being scum, tries to guide vig "I'd lynch one and Vig the other if I had the gun, personally."

#3238880

Lists Dawn, RTE, Thane, Hallia as scum. (Am I the only one who lists people in order based on how scummy I think they are? Assume this list is reversed, based on previous posts)

#3238892

Once more mentions a Thane/Hallia wagon. No Dawn.

#3238916

Votes Thane, tries to guide the Vig once again.

#3239161

AJ responds to Dawn, tells her to pay more attention.

callse Hallia/Thane/RTE his top 3 scum reads. (What happened to Dawn?? You list 4 every other time.)

#3239256

Says that if Thane flips town, will elevate RTE to scum in his mind (stuck with it)

 

To sum up the rest: He switches from thane to hallia back to thane, in the span of 5 (of his) posts.

Also mentions, frequently, how he "outed all scum" in last game... nudge, nudge, such a good scumhunter am I.

I can't tell.

[Tsukibana]

  On 5/8/2014 at 5:18 PM, Andrej said:

I'm beginning to tinfoil a bit on Tsuki. I just read through Dawn's ISO and I really don't think she looks that bad. She questions a lot of people's reads on her, which is kind of odd, but at the same time an effective way of handling others I suppose. She wants people to explain WHY they read her as town, which I think kind of lends to her being town in a weird way. She doesn't just take the read at face value and move on as I think most of us would. She did some similar line of questioning in the Red Wedding game that I keep bringing up (she was town that game).

 

His point that she has only scum read players that have turned up as town is moot, as most of us at this point have also been fairly wrong. I'm going to read through him next and see if I can make any connections with the other people I think could be scum.

 

ATM I'm leaning towards Tsuki & TG with the other 2 shaking out of BFG/Ed/Nikon

 

ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Oh yea, Henry.

[Turin Turambar]

Who is Henry?

[Thane Vakarian]

Henry Mills, son of Emma Swan and Baelfire..

 

So, i don't know what to make of this... could be either seeing the story.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

I've seen only a few episodes. No idea who anyone is other than the fairy tale people names.

[Thane Vakarian]

luckily, there's google. I haven't seen a single episode

[Andrej]

Dawn's ISO - had to break this up into 2 posts because there were so many quotes. I tried deleting all the nested ones first, but it was still over the limit so you're just going to see Dawn's responses, not the stuff she was actually responding to. Sorry

 

 

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  On 4/28/2014 at 5:07 PM, dawnflower8 said:

Hello. 

 

Vote RTE

 

3rd to vote RTE in the opener - kind of null but this whole thing was what generated the original discussion as the game got going.

 

  On 4/28/2014 at 9:58 PM, dawnflower8 said:

I was jokevoting XD

 

And besides, everyone - I'm not the only newbie here. Pretty sure I've played more games than Thane has. 

 

Responds to Thane1 as he questions her about her vote on the RTE wagon - again, nothing really stands out to me. 

 

  On 4/28/2014 at 10:00 PM, dawnflower8 said:

Unvote. Vote Basel for pointlessly defending me from Thane...even though we both are new players and both were jokevoting. 

 

Not a terrible reason to vote someone - also a bit advanced way of thinking for a newer player. This vote and reaction lends to the idea that Dawn knows her alignment and therefore is suspicious of those who come to her aid for reasons she doesn't find very good or clear.

 

  On 4/30/2014 at 10:11 PM, dawnflower8 said:

Basel's quick defense on me seemed scummy. 

 

I would read Thane as scum, but I can't be too sure because he is even newer than I am.

 

Legitimate response to Tsuki's question. This was around the time where Tsuki started to first ping me (I voted him D1 at one point) because I felt some of his questions were a bit redundant and I got the vibe he was trying to give Dawn rope to hang herself with.

 

  On 4/30/2014 at 10:38 PM, dawnflower8 said:

Exactly. And he had no good reason for defending me. He was just defending a newbie from another newbie, and automatically assuming I am town just because I'm new, but not Thane for some reason. 

 

Now I'm starting to think both Thane and Basel could very likely both be mafia together. 

 

This came after I stepped in and answered the question Tsuki had for her about why Basel defending her was scummy. She follows it up well, noting the inconsistency in Basel defending her against Thane when basically they were guilty of the same action. In other words, I think her suspicion of Basel was legitimate at this point in the game.

 

  On 4/30/2014 at 10:43 PM, dawnflower8 said:

Personally, I'm almost certain Tsuki is town right now. I'm pretty sure AJ is town too. I have null reads on Chae, Talmanes, and RTE, and now think Basel and Thane are both scum. As for the other players, they haven't been that active or said anything of note. 

 

Gives some reads here. Has me and Tsuki as town with a few nulls and then Basel & Thane1 as her scum reads. Overall not a terrible list.

 

  On 4/30/2014 at 11:35 PM, dawnflower8 said:

Neither you or AJ has said anything that stands out as "scummy," though. You wondering why Basel defending me was scummy seemed like you actually didn't know, and AJ's answer seemed very pro-town to me.

 

Expounds a bit on her town reads of me and Tsuki - I didn't really look at this one in context so I'm assuming he asked her to clarify. She says she doesn't find his questioning of her read on Basel to be suspicious (I disagree there).

 

  On 4/30/2014 at 11:51 PM, dawnflower8 said:

What about me seems particularly "town" to you?

 

I don't remember who she was asking here, but this is an example of how she questions those who give her as a town read. Again, this is something she did in RW.

 

  On 5/1/2014 at 12:22 AM, dawnflower8 said:

Then why do you read me as town and not null?

 

Another valid question. I need to look back on this in context to see who exactly she was talking to here.

 

  On 5/1/2014 at 12:34 AM, dawnflower8 said:

Who are your top reads for scum, and who are your top reads for town?

 

Questions Hallia here for some reads, not bad.

 

  On 5/1/2014 at 1:43 PM, dawnflower8 said:

Why AJ? To me, he seems like one of the most town players in the game.

 

What about him do you find scummy, or was it just random?

 

This was after Ithi comes in with her vote on me after replacing for Tina. Dawn seems genuinely interested here and questions it.

 

  On 5/1/2014 at 1:53 PM, dawnflower8 said:

I believe I said it earlier in the game. All of his posts seem very pro-town and he's been contributing a lot to the town in the game. (Of course, this could just be because he's one of the game's more experienced players, I think) 

 

You still didn't answer, why does he seem scummy to you? 

 

She explains herself here why she thinks I am town, doesn't seem forced about it, and continues to pressure Ithi for her to explain herself. This is pretty solid all around here.

 

  On 5/1/2014 at 2:00 PM, dawnflower8 said:

He frequently talks about giving other players "Town cred" and basically analyzes every single person's votes. He explains to Tsuki why things are scummy. 

 

Explains further to Ithi, not a bad response.

 

  On 5/1/2014 at 2:00 PM, dawnflower8 said:

And you still haven't answered my question. You just ask me more questions. 

 

Again reiterates the fact that Ithi isn't answering Dawn's questions but instead asking ones of her own in return. This too bugged me, I can see how this would genuinely look bad in Dawn's POV.

 

  On 5/1/2014 at 2:08 PM, dawnflower8 said:

I think he is. I want to know why you think he is scum. Random votes out of nowhere are scummy. Was it a jokevote? 

 

Another solid post. Stands firm on her read of me and questions Ithi on hers, also comments that the vote looked scummy because it wasn't explained. I agree.

 

  On 5/1/2014 at 2:17 PM, dawnflower8 said:

I'm not going to vote you if there is another player I find more scummy than you (Basel)

 

You STILL haven't answered why you think he is scummy. Do you even have a reason?

 

This was in response to Ithi's snarky "vote me if you think I'm scummy" remark, which she handles pretty well. Again - continues to push Ithi to explain herself for something that she thought was out of the ordinary. This pressure seems very real to me.

 

  On 5/1/2014 at 2:47 PM, dawnflower8 said:

What happened to your scum read on me? 

 

And why RTE?

 

Questions Thane1 on his reads, which is pretty congruent with how he is listed as one of her top suspects at the time.

 

  On 5/1/2014 at 9:03 PM, dawnflower8 said:

Ok, sorry I've been gone so long, just got caught up reading the posts. 

 

What sort of "Teams" is everyone referring to? Teams like in the Clash of the Ancients game or are the teams just "Mafia" or "Town?" No, I am not defending AJ because I know what team he is on. I don't have a team, unless just "town" is a team...and I have no separate QT for anything. I was defending AJ because he seems very town to me. (Don't ask me why he seems town to me again, I've said it a bunch already)

 

  On 5/1/2014 at 9:48 PM, dawnflower8 said:

Oh, ok. But there is no specific town team thread. I'm so confused right now...

 

  On 5/1/2014 at 11:28 PM, dawnflower8 said:

I know that. I'm just wondering why you think I am in some sort of team with AJ so that I know for sure he's town....

 

  On 5/2/2014 at 12:17 AM, dawnflower8 said:

I'm NOT 100% sure he is town. This could change at any moment. But based on how he is playing now, he seems very town to me.

 

This series of posts kind of bugged me because it seemed like she was regressing a bit and playing confused at the suggestion that she and I were teammates of the mafia variety. She does redeem herself somewhat at the end there where she reiterates that her town read on me is because of my game play and that she isn't 100% what I am, but feels strongly in one direction. I find that to be pretty suitable.

 

 

 

[Andrej]

 

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  On 5/2/2014 at 1:07 AM, dawnflower8 said:

I'm not sure about Ithi being town. The question dodging seemed pretty scummy to me.

 

Remains consistent with her read on Ithi. I agree on the question dodging as well.

 

  On 5/4/2014 at 8:22 PM, dawnflower8 said:

So you are "interested" in me? Why? And does this mean you think I'm scum, or mean that you're just getting mixed reads from me, or what? 

 

Questions RTE's commentary about her for for clarification. It isn't just the fact that she questions this reads, but in the way she goes about it. It's not like she's necessarily trying to disprove it off the back (which typically I might find a little suspicious) but instead she is asking for clarification so she can perhaps understand where they are coming from. This is a pretty good sign imo.

 

  On 5/5/2014 at 4:08 AM, dawnflower8 said:

So you think Hallia is the vig?

 

This one bugged me a bit when I saw it in real time - I didn't like how she popped in to reaffirm his conclusion, kind of gave me the vibe that if she were scum she had just found her potential NK target.

 

  On 5/6/2014 at 1:34 PM, dawnflower8 said:

So, if you are wondering why I voted Basel for defending me but later defended AJ:

 

Basel defended me because I was new and thought I was incapable of making a vote that made sense, or something like that (even though it was a jokevote) 

"Being new" is a bad reason to clear someone, especially at such an early point in the game. I had done nothing at that point that seemed town, so him defending me that early in the game was really unusual. 

 

I defended AJ because it was later on in the game, he had made a lot more posts, and all of his posts seemed very town to me. 

 

I like this response a lot - this was in regards to people (including myself) pointing out that it was weird of Dawn to defend me while she was voting Basel for defending her.

 

Definite townie feeling post here.

 

  On 5/6/2014 at 1:51 PM, dawnflower8 said:

Ok. 

 

This may sound like a bandwagon, but Thane seems scummiest to me. During the first day, he seemed probably the next scummiest after Basel - especially with his weird reaction to my joke vote and then him jokevoting after I did. It just seems weird. Vote Thane. 

 

This is kinda meh. She's consistent at least in that her scum read of Thane1 didn't change and backs it up with a vote. She was 2nd on his wagon I think?

 

  On 5/6/2014 at 2:33 PM, dawnflower8 said:

So you talk about how Hallia is so obviously mafia, but you'd rather get Thane lynched? Why?

 

  On 5/6/2014 at 2:44 PM, dawnflower8 said:

I'm really having second thoughts about being so convinced AJ was town right now...

 

These are pretty valid observations/questions on Dawn's part. A lot of other players were concerned about this as well as it seemed to be the main issue revolving around AJ/Thane1 on D2. I still don't really like the comment from Tsuki in the nested quotes here, objective or not.

 

  On 5/6/2014 at 2:55 PM, dawnflower8 said:

I'm not trying to lynch you right now. My read on you has just changed from town to mixed, not town to scum, because you played very town on the first day. 

 

Level-headed and good tone in this post. I responded a little brashly to her question and she comes back pretty calmly to explain that she no longer thinks I am so firmly town, just more null but not yet scum. This is good - it shows she is continuing to evaluate and allowing her reads to adjust organically as the game progresses.

 

  On 5/6/2014 at 5:16 PM, dawnflower8 said:

How about Ithi? I'm pretty sure she's scum. 

 

This was after Hallia and I character claimed and Thane1 was continuing to protest his towniness. Normally I might see this as a bit nudgy since it wasn't backed with a vote, but her stepping out to suggest Ithi takes some serious cajones imo. I don't see a scum-Dawn doing such a thing.

 

  On 5/6/2014 at 11:13 PM, dawnflower8 said:

I know that he was hammered. It was just more evidence toward him most likely being scum. (Even though he is dead, anyway)

 

TG's vote on Thane was kind of pointless. It was just a random bandwagon vote with no backup after the hammer vote. I'm going to assume that TG didn't even read the last page. 

 

Comments on the TG post-hammer hammer vote. I agree that it seems he didn't read the last page either, my guess is that he checked the QT and saw them deliberating about whether Thane1's self vote was going to count. He was either hammered or at L-1 at the point, which then TG could've just came onto thread and cast the final vote just in case. Definitely sketchy behavior.

 

  On 5/7/2014 at 2:28 PM, dawnflower8 said:

...except I DO have a reason.

 

I noticed nothing about Tina. 

 

Ithi is scummy because of her trying to avoid me answering a question I asked her (about a random vote, I think) by just asking me more questions. 

 

 

Also, AJ, how come you've changed your read on me from scum to town?

 

This was in response to Turin when he presses her about her Ithi read. She's consistent with her reasoning which I agree with. She also questions me again when my read changes (again lol).

 

  On 5/7/2014 at 3:19 PM, dawnflower8 said:

Ithi randomly comes in after not posting for a long time and votes AJ. That's all she does. She gives no backup for it. I ask her why. She responds by asking why I think AJ is town, and doesn't answer, and we have a long conversation involving me trying to get her to tell me why she thinks a player I, at the time, was certain was town, and she just responded with more questions - never answering my original one. 

 

More commentary on Ithi's game entrance. I can see from her POV how Dawn genuinely found this odd, which explains her answers. The way she was able to answer Ithi's questions plainly and in a straightforward fashion is also a good sign. I too was bothered with how Ithi was deflecting Dawn's questions and instead continue to barage her with her own.

 

  On 5/8/2014 at 5:06 PM, dawnflower8 said:

No. If I was the vig, I would've shot Ithi.

 

And I'm not the vig. 

 

Damnit - I thought I was beginning to figure it out. I kind of wish I was right in this case, then I would have more reason to stick my neck out than I already am - but meh.

 

 

 

 

I'm just about ready to lock Dawn in on my town list after reading her over again. If you ACTUALLY READ her posts and think about where her line of questioning comes from I think you will find rather easily that she is town this game. Her push today feels very scum motivated (*cough cough* Tsuki) looking for the easy lynch bait to push through.

 

Not gonna happen my friend.

 

[Andrej]

Tsuki seems like his jimmies are rustled.

 

Badly.

[Tsukibana]

Defense noted, AGAIN.

You and Dawn have been so close this game that I am tempted to yell "Stranger Danger".

 

Despite her being a scum read for you, supposedly, you never made a case against her. Instead you have focused solely on people who flip town. You are truly a great scumhunter, huh?

How's it feel to be consistently WRONG.

Now you come after me. Have fun with that.

[Tsukibana]

  On 5/8/2014 at 4:01 PM, Andrej said:

I question why you think the mafia would kill someone they pushed in thread previously is because mafia will often NK players to make others look bad. You immediately jumping at this when Ithi turned up as town pings me pretty severely.

Second time you have mentioned this. Why should they care about you? You make more cases against people who turn out to be town than anyone I've ever seen.

[Andrej]

Tsuki you do seem awfully bothered that I am now looking at you. What's the issue? Instead of actually refuting the things I say you are just resorting to calling me a bad mafia player - which is low level at the very least.

 

I have been back and forth on Dawn all game, as you can see with how she has either been a soft town read or a very low scum read. Now that we are in a tight situation I am going back to ISO individuals I want to focus more on and after reading over Tal and Dawn I think they are both probably town. Do you have issue with how I am slowly narrowing down my suspect pool and you are still in it?? Your reactions here aren't making you look very good imo.

 

Sure, I've been wrong this game but I have also been pushing a lot of information to be analyzed. My opinion on you is that you are gunning for the easy lynch here. I disliked how you questioned Dawn early in the game when I voted you originally. I sort of let that suspicion go because other things caught my attention but now you have my focus again. Is your only defense that I have been SO WRONG this game that I must be wrong again now that I'm looking at you? You're gonna have to do better than that my friend. Even when I was wrong I still could point to the things that led me to those conclusions.

 

Did you even bother reading Dawn's ISO? Do you care that she could actually be town or are you satisfied with your scum read on her to push for her lynch regardless??

 

I severely dislike your voting record today. You told me after the Thane1 lynch that you like to wait, and yet today you come in with guns blazing - voting RTE first for a reason you are being very weird about explaining and then swapping over to Dawn because she came in making a joke about Thane making another revival.

 

Where is your case work since you are accusing her of doing none?

 

Where are you working to solve this game?

[Tsukibana]

Seems to me you don't need any help looking bad.

 

  On 5/8/2014 at 2:05 AM, Tsukibana said:

Tsuki - Town

Hallia - Town

RTE - Town

Nikon - Town

Turin - Town

 

AJ - Scum

Dawn - Scum

TG - Scum

BFG - Scum

Talmanes - Scum

Ed - Scum

 

These are my reads. The closer you are to the top of the list, the more confident I am of my read.

 I need more from the lurkers. I really don't see 3 scum this game, but I don't know enough about distribution.

 

Dawn, and AJ are now my top 2. They are way too close. I don't care which one. The only reason I can see AJ going so far out of his way to defend Dawn is she has a PR. Roleblocker. That is why he tried to get Hallia to confirm her Vig claim yesterday. Dawn is probably being very inactive, just like she is in the other game she is in, not posting in the QT, and acting very flighty. Subtly, AJ has done a damn good job steering suspicion away from her, but I think the jig is up.

[Andrej]

  On 5/8/2014 at 6:22 PM, Tsukibana said:

 

  On 5/8/2014 at 4:01 PM, Andrej said:

I question why you think the mafia would kill someone they pushed in thread previously is because mafia will often NK players to make others look bad. You immediately jumping at this when Ithi turned up as town pings me pretty severely.

 

Second time you have mentioned this. Why should they care about you? You make more cases against people who turn out to be town than anyone I've ever seen.

 

Again with the jabs lol

 

Whatever though, take your potshots, I don't care. At the very least I can say that I put effort into the games I play in, so even if I'm wrong I am still actually playing. That's more than most can say.

 

You were the one to bring up the Ithi NK in the first place when you voted for RTE - what's why I am questioning you on it. You continue to answer me in strange ways that aren't really addressing anything I asked. You say you blundered and thought RTE was me because I was pushing Ithi the Day before. I ask you again why you think an Ithi NK makes those pushing her look guilty and now instead of answering you are just insulting me.

 

Top notch lol

[Tsukibana]

  On 5/8/2014 at 6:29 PM, Andrej said:

Tsuki you do seem awfully bothered that I am now looking at you. What's the issue? Instead of actually refuting the things I say you are just resorting to calling me a bad mafia player - which is low level at the very least.

 

I have been back and forth on Dawn all game, as you can see with how she has either been a soft town read or a very low scum read. Now that we are in a tight situation I am going back to ISO individuals I want to focus more on and after reading over Tal and Dawn I think they are both probably town. Do you have issue with how I am slowly narrowing down my suspect pool and you are still in it?? Your reactions here aren't making you look very good imo.

 

Sure, I've been wrong this game but I have also been pushing a lot of information to be analyzed. My opinion on you is that you are gunning for the easy lynch here. I disliked how you questioned Dawn early in the game when I voted you originally. I sort of let that suspicion go because other things caught my attention but now you have my focus again. Is your only defense that I have been SO WRONG this game that I must be wrong again now that I'm looking at you? You're gonna have to do better than that my friend. Even when I was wrong I still could point to the things that led me to those conclusions.

 

Did you even bother reading Dawn's ISO? Do you care that she could actually be town or are you satisfied with your scum read on her to push for her lynch regardless??

 

I severely dislike your voting record today. You told me after the Thane1 lynch that you like to wait, and yet today you come in with guns blazing - voting RTE first for a reason you are being very weird about explaining and then swapping over to Dawn because she came in making a joke about Thane making another revival.

 

Where is your case work since you are accusing her of doing none?

 

Where are you working to solve this game?

You being wrong is not my defense, it is my case. Consistently, the only 2 people that have accused EVERY PERSON who has rolled town is you and Dawn.

Yup. Am done following your line, goofy consolidation votes, and other claptrap.

Holy hell. Case work?? Did you even SEE the earlier post against you. So Sorry I have no idea how to quote from ISO the way you do, had to do my crap by hand, using Notepad.

Right here, right now.

[Tsukibana]

  On 5/8/2014 at 6:33 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 5/8/2014 at 6:22 PM, Tsukibana said:

 

  On 5/8/2014 at 4:01 PM, Andrej said:

I question why you think the mafia would kill someone they pushed in thread previously is because mafia will often NK players to make others look bad. You immediately jumping at this when Ithi turned up as town pings me pretty severely.

 

Second time you have mentioned this. Why should they care about you? You make more cases against people who turn out to be town than anyone I've ever seen.

 

Again with the jabs lol

 

Whatever though, take your potshots, I don't care. At the very least I can say that I put effort into the games I play in, so even if I'm wrong I am still actually playing. That's more than most can say.

 

You were the one to bring up the Ithi NK in the first place when you voted for RTE - what's why I am questioning you on it. You continue to answer me in strange ways that aren't really addressing anything I asked. You say you blundered and thought RTE was me because I was pushing Ithi the Day before. I ask you again why you think an Ithi NK makes those pushing her look guilty and now instead of answering you are just insulting me.

 

Top notch lol

 

No insult. Fact. You have been consistent in your push against confirmed townies.

[Thane Vakarian]

I think that Ithi/secondThane was going somewhere with the suspicions about the less active. Seeing she/i were going to go after scum, we got NK'ed. That's my theory. And that's why i'll be going for TG, BFG as suspects, and primary lynch candidates.

[Tsukibana]

  On 5/8/2014 at 6:33 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 5/8/2014 at 6:22 PM, Tsukibana said:

 

  On 5/8/2014 at 4:01 PM, Andrej said:

I question why you think the mafia would kill someone they pushed in thread previously is because mafia will often NK players to make others look bad. You immediately jumping at this when Ithi turned up as town pings me pretty severely.

 

Second time you have mentioned this. Why should they care about you? You make more cases against people who turn out to be town than anyone I've ever seen.

 

Again with the jabs lol

 

Whatever though, take your potshots, I don't care. At the very least I can say that I put effort into the games I play in, so even if I'm wrong I am still actually playing. That's more than most can say.

 

You were the one to bring up the Ithi NK in the first place when you voted for RTE - what's why I am questioning you on it. You continue to answer me in strange ways that aren't really addressing anything I asked. You say you blundered and thought RTE was me because I was pushing Ithi the Day before. I ask you again why you think an Ithi NK makes those pushing her look guilty and now instead of answering you are just insulting me.

 

Top notch lol

 

Here it is, plain as day. I voted RTE because I had him confused with you. YOU are the one who pinged. See my shoddy WoT above for why. I avoided answering you to take the time to go back and confirm why RTE (when I thought he was you pinged). Small suprise, RTE had no pings. Why? Ooh yeaah, cause I thought he was YOU. Let's go check that, shal we?? Bam. YOU ping hard as hell. I'd vote you, but yeah, I think Dawn has the PR in your little circle, and that is why I want her down.