[Advanced] Red Wedding Mafia - Post Game, MakersMark

[Xthrax]

Firstly, damn you guys went through a lot of pages while I was asleep and was busy. From page 38 to page 59.

 

In short like I said yesterday, first about Red.

 

I have gone back and read Red's posts. Most of them have an initial scummy tone. It later descends to a lot of whyme-fryme and saying you don't have a reason and trying to plainly laugh it off. After this came her argument on semantics. She also claimed a bodyguard Smalljon Umber. I agree with the thing that character claims should not be given much prevalence. In a game like this-it is pretty ambiguos and introduces a lot of wifom. For instance someone could claim a Stark but that Stark could be very far from the wedding.

 

But taking into context her roleclaim-bodyguard. According to mafiascum, a bodyguard is a role that has a one-shot protect. In case a protected person is guarded, the BG would die. A mafia could claim many roles-VT, Vig, Watcher or anything that is useful. But a BG is just a weakened version of Doc and one that could easily die. IMO, no mafia would claim a role like this. In any case, even if they claim and get past the first few days-a time would come when a important PR comes who they have to protect for town. At this point it's a great loss for them and their team. They can either not protect essentially outing them and their defense or protect and die causing a loss to their own team.

 

Also her wagon. It has been built up very fast. Granted Red has been introducing a lot of wifom, confusion etc in thread. Her posts seem very scummy-in any case if she was a VT or any agreeable loss to town, I would like to join myself. There are too many freeriders on her wagon which mostly will include scum. 

 

This is why I believe my vote should stay where it is. Joining the wagon gives mafia an easy mislynch IMO.

[michellem]

The latter has nothing to do with the former. It wasn't trying to get off a lynch. But people were accusing me of lurking on purpose and letting Tress take the heat. Wich isn't true and I won't have people believing that about me. I don't lurk in games. If I'm not posting, it's because I can't.

[michellem]

Lol Nol. Lamest excuse ever. Earned it by self voting? Please do elaborate.

[_CLOUD]

##unvote

##vote Mistress

 

 

Listen, no matter how you look at it, we are the best lynch today. A vanilla is better to loose than a potential PR. If Red is mafia, you'll find out. There are guanrateed to be some investigative roles, wich none has brought up as an option for finding her out. Sooner or later someone will check her. Mostly everyone in the game has commented on Tress and me. Cloud, Des, Nol has all posted recently, you guys move over to Mistress and we'll be the leading train and even if it isn't majority, with Darthe's rules we'll be the lynch. It's the logical way to go.

I'm not going to move my vote to the most obvious townie in the entire game.

[_CLOUD]

Lol Nol. Lamest excuse ever. Earned it by self voting? Please do elaborate.

 

It's like his thing.

[Nynaeve]

The latter has nothing to do with the former. It wasn't trying to get off a lynch. But people were accusing me of lurking on purpose and letting Tress take the heat. Wich isn't true and I won't have people believing that about me. I don't lurk in games. If I'm not posting, it's because I can't.

 

You make it sound like it's something personal. You need to seriously grow out of it. Lurking is a tool scum often use. So yes, people will believe that you absence was questionable, whether it bothers you or not. What's being judged here is the way you play, not you as a person.

 

And the latter does have to do with the former. If you were honest about self voting you wouldn't still be trying to clear your name. That doesn't sound like someone who wants to get lynched :P

 

 

 

Nyn

[Nynaeve]

Sorry, I don't buy your dramatic self devotion to the game JUST as Red hits L-1. But if it's any comfort you gave me a good chuckle.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Xthrax]

Meanwhile MishTress. 

 

What Mish has said is what I said in my last post. But not just that. Your game play has been most suspicious coupled with Tress's catchup post is a major suspicion. Also your role-Roslin Frey. If I go according to your role, then yeah you are definitely the lynch IMO. But I believe that a character claim is redundant here. But what followed is not looking good. Basically a whole lot of wifom occured due to character speculation. Is she associated with the Frey's? Was she innocent since she married Edmure Tully? Also a VT is a perfect role to claim here. You got 2 unvotes, Mynd 'cause of character spec and Cloud since he says VT is an unlikely role for mafia to choose. It seems to be too unbelievable for mafia to go for so it must be town-great wifom. Or is it a mafia role? 

 

Also your self-vote 'causes suspicion to me. Methinks, if you were town and tries to put forward yourself as the best lynch for today-you would have left out clearing your own name as its pretty much redundant here,

 

IMO, my vote is in the right place mostly due to your hydra's play and the rest due to the wifom. Plus it is the most sensible according to me, if Red is mafia/town it can be cleared by an investigative role or by herself if a PR comes up. 

[Nolder]

It's pretty much one of the scummiest things someone can do.

It's an appeal to emotion, a manipulative tactic to gain sympathy.

There's nothing wrong with giving that a try if you're scum I've seen it win games (also the ever popular lynch X today and we can lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong) but that's what it is.

If you're town you're basically throwing all your teammates under the bus. Not only are you robbing them of your perspective and potential usefulness (VT is a useful role, they're the best scumhunters because they have nothing to lose) but you're also forcing them to mislynch you.

 

And I do mean force. Anyone who reads you as town should still vote you imo because they can't take the chance that you might actually be scum.

It's like claiming mafia. It's kind of ridiculous but you still don't let someone who's done that go unless there is a very good reason not to (multi factions, mylo, etc).

[Xthrax]

For day 2 though, there are quite some people like Amega from Megaloud, Krak, Mynd. Also would like to see more from Dawn and Dice. Especially Dawn-she has been posting by only fluff even after game started properly and she was asked to play. Also Zanube?

[Xthrax]

I meant to say there are people who I would like to observe closer

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There is no way that Mistress is mafia because they claimed VT while Red was being run up and now they are once more enforcing their claim by trying to ensure that they are the ones who get lynched today.

[Nolder]

There is no way that Mistress is mafia because they claimed VT while Red was being run up and now they are once more enforcing their claim by trying to ensure that they are the ones who get lynched today.

what? I don't understand what you're trying to say here can you rephrase?

[Xthrax]

Also

 

Official Bloody Vote Count:

Crayjay (1/10): Dice

Mistress (7/10): NyanCat, Red, X, Jack, Desbat, Mistress, Nol,

Red (8/10): Dawn, Tommy, Yates, Halleeloujah, Verbalina, Krak, Len, Megaloud

Mynd (1/10): AJ

 

Not Voting (2/19):

Zen, Mynd

[_CLOUD]

 

There is no way that Mistress is mafia because they claimed VT while Red was being run up and now they are once more enforcing their claim by trying to ensure that they are the ones who get lynched today.

what? I don't understand what you're trying to say here can you rephrase?

 

 

They are vanilla town.

[Nynaeve]

There is no way that Mistress is mafia because they claimed VT while Red was being run up and now they are once more enforcing their claim by trying to ensure that they are the ones who get lynched today.

 

Really? There's absolutely no way?

 

Everybody, cloud blew this case right open!

 

 

 

Nyn

[Nynaeve]

*wide

[Xthrax]

There is no way that Mistress is mafia because they claimed VT while Red was being run up and now they are once more enforcing their claim by trying to ensure that they are the ones who get lynched today.

 

Just 'cause they claimed VT during that time, in no way clears them at all. 

 

Enforcing their claim has good effects for them-it makes people hesitant to lynch since they might think that they should left alive for their magnanimity. Also refer my post above to why the claim could sow confusion.

[Nolder]

 

 

There is no way that Mistress is mafia because they claimed VT while Red was being run up and now they are once more enforcing their claim by trying to ensure that they are the ones who get lynched today.

what? I don't understand what you're trying to say here can you rephrase?

 

 

They are vanilla town.

 

They say they're vanilla town.*

[_CLOUD]

 

There is no way that Mistress is mafia because they claimed VT while Red was being run up and now they are once more enforcing their claim by trying to ensure that they are the ones who get lynched today.

 

Just 'cause they claimed VT during that time, in no way clears them at all. 

 

Enforcing their claim has good effects for them-it makes people hesitant to lynch since they might think that they should left alive for their magnanimity. Also refer my post above to why the claim could sow confusion.

 

 

It does because it wouldn't make sense for them to do that if they were scum and Red town, or if they were both scum. It's a suicidal claim that would at best get them through one more Day.

[michellem]

Yes Nyn, I take it personal. Lurking is a tactic I dislike and I don't want it associated with my playstyle.

 

 

 

##unvote
##vote Mistress
 
 
Listen, no matter how you look at it, we are the best lynch today. A vanilla is better to loose than a potential PR. If Red is mafia, you'll find out. There are guanrateed to be some investigative roles, wich none has brought up as an option for finding her out. Sooner or later someone will check her. Mostly everyone in the game has commented on Tress and me. Cloud, Des, Nol has all posted recently, you guys move over to Mistress and we'll be the leading train and even if it isn't majority, with Darthe's rules we'll be the lynch. It's the logical way to go.

I'm not going to move my vote to the most obvious townie in the entire game.

 

 

Cloud, just trust me on this, ok. I honestly do think our lynch will give more info than Red's. We are VT, our sole role in the game is to die to protect PR's. You move your vote now, we're neck anc neck with Red and only need one more vote. We don't have time to argue this, it's like two hours until deadline.

 

 

 

 

Nolder: I could have hammered Red now if all I was worried about was saving my own skin right now. I'm not. I want what's best for town. Your logic is severly flawed.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

Finished with audit. Alright so 8 hours left. Lot less time than I thought we had.

 

Altho we've gotten a bit better at DM with securing last minute lynches, it IS the weekend now, meaning securing a lynch on anyone other than Red or Mishtress is highly unlikely.

 

##Unvote, ##Vote Mishtress. Personally I think they're town as well, but at the very least that's only risking a VT, instead of a protective PR.

 

Which reminds me of something. I think it was Lenlo that said the Doc might protect well or Roleblockers or something or w/e.... but all that is missing the point. Red "vetting" herself would mean she DIED instead of a diff PR. It's literally the only use her role has, and it has the added benefit of showing that she was telling the truth. If however, a different PR claimed, and that PR died that night and Mish didn't, well then yeah she'd obviously be under a heap of suspicion. Doesn't mean she'd be definite scum, as it could have been a RB or something, but it would def lend more support to her lynch.

 

The point is, she would possibly have the ability to vet herself and make use of her role at the same time which could help town.

 

Lynching her today would be a #FullDarthe move. You never go Full Darthe.

 

Bolded: Uhm, what?

 

Oh I messed up there. Meant to say Red. My fault.

 

 

There is no way that Mistress is mafia because they claimed VT while Red was being run up and now they are once more enforcing their claim by trying to ensure that they are the ones who get lynched today.

 

Really? There's absolutely no way?

 

Everybody, cloud blew this case right open!

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

Hehehe MINDMELD. Cloud is sort of overextending the logic to ridic extensions.

 

In most situations, claiming VT D1 after receiving some significant type attention is just generally not done by scum. As a VT claim will have a hard chance of stalling a lynch on them if it comes down to it, and by claiming VT they have boxed themselves in so can not claim anything else down the road.

 

That being said, Cloud did seem to be clearing them completely as town, not just giving them a >rand to be town nod. I DO happen to think Mishtress is town, but I have a lot more than just their VT claim. I still think they are the better lynch however, considering Red has claimed a vettable PR.

[_CLOUD]

I won't move my vote, Mish. I still find Red scummy and even if she ends up being town I don't feel like wasting an investigative shot on a Bodyguard which will probably be altered in one way or another.

[Nynaeve]

As I've already said, I'm not "rustled" about being today's lynch. In my experience when I've been run up D1 you spend too much time thereafter unproductively trying to recover. I think it's a bit rude to lynch the bride on her own wedding day, but as we're vanilla town it's no great loss, and all kinds of good info for tomorrow.

 

Which reminds me.... Tress revealed when they were on L-5 while Red was on L-2. Why? Where's the person that FOS'd Red for revealing at L-5?  LOL

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[hazelkrs1]

And Nolderp is hiding behind meta again for his vote. What a total scumbag he is ITG.