[Basic] Clash of the ancients - Mafia Wins!

[Songstress]

What is WIM?

Win It More/Want It More

 

Also, my WiFi network apparently has decided it doesn't like DM. Every other site I can access, but both my laptop and my phone when on my home WiFi connection will not load the site. Can get to it on the phone data network but that's it and it's really annoying me right now.

[Kaylee]

Thanks for the Tress for explaining that to me. Mine seems to be going in and out as well

[Andrej]

##unvote; vote Darthe

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

Despo (1/5): Darthe

Lenlo (1/5): TG

Darthe (1/5): AJ

 

Not Voting (7/8): Despo, Dawn, Tress, Lenlo, Dice

 

With 8 players alive it takes 5 to lynch

 

Deadline is Monday the 28th at 12 noon MST Timer: http://www.timeandda...12&p0=197&csz=1

[Darthe]

AJ/Des.  When do we lynch?

 

Is anybody willing to go with me on either of them?  I feel more confident there than I do with Len and I don't want to give up my better reads on Mylo.

 

Also, if Len is mafia and I find out post game I am arguing for his life to kill a townie I am going to be really embarrassed.

[Andrej]

I have yet to see any evidence for the ideas that Darthe is pushing past the day Mynd was lynched.

 

His views continue to shift with whatever is favorable to him. Mynd over Nol. Despo over Nol. Today it's Despo first, but now that Len was gaining votes he contemplates swapping over but in the process links me to Len's flip as well. One of us is scum or we are busing, which covers both bases depending on how the lynch/flip went.

[Andrej]

Lol now he's hedging on voting Len. Couple with Darthe's resistance to Nolder's lynch with Nolder's sketchy vote on D1 and I think we have them boxed up and ready for shipping.

 

Darthe/Len confirmed.

 

Remaining scum:

 

Dice

Des/Dawn

TG

Tress

[Darthe]

I linked you to Lens flip?  Show anywhere that that has happened.  We can't play linking games on Mylo because we won't likely get a next day to play them out.

 

Yes, I wanted Mynd lynched.  I thought he was scum, very clearly laid out my line of reasoning and you know what?  Enough people agreed with me that they lynched him.  You're misrepping if you lay that all on me.  I also want Des lynched.  He feels distinctly different here than he did in our other games together recently.  

 

As I said before I don't want Len over either of you today.  I can't avoid going there if the town doesn't agree with me since we need an all-town lynch for any lynch to go through by my list and logic stand.  I want Des and then either of you once we get the breathing room in case I am wrong.

[Darthe]

Lol now he's hedging on voting Len. Couple with Darthe's resistance to Nolder's lynch with Nolder's sketchy vote on D1 and I think we have them boxed up and ready for shipping.

 

Darthe/Len confirmed.

 

Remaining scum:

 

Dice

Des/Dawn

TG

Tress

 

If Len was confirmed with me why would you not be voting there?

 

Love your remaining scum list btw.  You have NOTHING to go on so you just listed the playerbase.  

 

AJ confirmed

[Darthe]

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Lenlo (3/8): Dawn, TG, jack

AJ (1/8):  Krak

darthe (1/8): nolder

TG: (1/8) Lenlo

Jack (8/8) Nervo, Lewis, despo, wombat, aj, song, jack, nolder LYNCHED

Krak (1/8): AJ

Nolder (1/8) thane

 

 

 

Not voting (3/15): Tress, Ice, Dice

 

with 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch

 

Darthe has replaced Ice. 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count

 

Dice (1/7): Lewis

Nolder (2/7): AJ, Despo

Lewis (6/7): Nolder, Dice, Darthe, Tress, Thane, TG, AJ

Leno (1/7): Dawn

 

Not Voting (2/12): Krak, Leno

 

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

 

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140422T19&p0=76

 

 

 

Official Vote Count

Leno (1/5): TG

Nolder (5/5): AJ, Krak, Dice, Dawn, Darthe

 

Not Voting (4/10): Despo, Nolder, Tress, Leno

 

 

With 10 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

 

That's a lynch, scene incoming!

 

 

Countdown timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140425T21&p0=3862&csz=1

 

 

 

All three trains.  Let's see what we can get from them.

[Songstress]

 

There's clearly a mafia roleblocker. My shot last night was blocked.

 

This tells me Dice can't be mafia. Everyone else is on the table.

 

Who did you shoot at?

 

 

## Vote Des

 

 

There was actually a pretty huge logical hole in my post here that I realized after I posted it.  TG may have figured out what it is.  I really expected you to challenge me on it, because it's a glaring assumption that you normally wouldn't let slide - but it feeds into your "Dice is almost confirmed town" push, so I expect you wouldn't want to rock that boat.

 

I've got some thinking to do.

[Andrej]

 

Lol now he's hedging on voting Len. Couple with Darthe's resistance to Nolder's lynch with Nolder's sketchy vote on D1 and I think we have them boxed up and ready for shipping.

 

Darthe/Len confirmed.

 

Remaining scum:

 

Dice

Des/Dawn

TG

Tress

 

If Len was confirmed with me why would you not be voting there?

 

Love your remaining scum list btw.  You have NOTHING to go on so you just listed the playerbase.  

 

AJ confirmed

 

I have already explained that why I hadn't started on you was because I thought you were baiting for a CC. Since this isn't the case, I really have no reason to think you are town any longer.

 

There is much more evidence given by you directly then Len with his general lack of game play - which sucks btw. That and Nolder's activity around his wagon are the best I got without doing an ISO, but your actions stand out much more to me.

 

As I have asked you several times now to provide quotes and what not to show your POV and you still have not. I feel like if you felt so strongly in your reads that you would be trying to sell them harder instead of sitting back and mashing lists of names together as the flow of the thread changes.

 

Answer me this Darthe - you truly believe that Despo and I as scum partners with Nolder and intentionally bused him @ Mylo? When we had a fair opportunity to speed hammer a Len wagon?

[Darthe]

Dawn has been consistent in her votes through this whole thing.  The only time she wasn't on Len she was middling on the Nol lynch.

 

Des was on Jack early D1, on Nol D2, didn't vote D3.  Voting pattern looks safe but idk what else to make of that.

 

AJ was on Krak D1 kind of late (it was a quick pile if you recall), Nol with Des D2, early on Nol D3.  Hate to say it but his voting pattern looks really good here.

 

TG has been consistent on Len all game.  He was on Lewis when that train was established but that's the only time.  Looks really solidly town.

 

I wasn't on the jack train but would have been, was early on Lewis with Nol and Dice and reluctantly lynched Nol who I had buddied all game.  I can see how someone would think me not town.  

 

Len was on TG D1 and hasn't voted since.  It doesn't say much about him at all.  

 

Dice missed the first DL, was early on Lewis in the second and was middling on Nol in the third.  This is null or fits well wit a Nol sacrifice play.

 

 

I didn't do tress because he claim essentially clears her.  Okay, with this info... I definitely need to take the time to form a more critical opinion and delve deeper into th game.  

 

 

 

There's clearly a mafia roleblocker. My shot last night was blocked.

This tells me Dice can't be mafia. Everyone else is on the table.

 

Who did you shoot at?

 

 

## Vote Des

 

 

There was actually a pretty huge logical hole in my post here that I realized after I posted it.  TG may have figured out what it is.  I really expected you to challenge me on it, because it's a glaring assumption that you normally wouldn't let slide - but it feeds into your "Dice is almost confirmed town" push, so I expect you wouldn't want to rock that boat.

 

I've got some thinking to do.

 

Am I missing something?  I think Dice is obviously town here, your thing corroborates it.

[Andrej]

Actually... If we are wrong about Len it is going to be game over anyhow.  One of AJ/Len is mafia or this is some weird bus attempt.

 

I can't decide if I should vote here and commit to this lynch or not.  God I am scrambled as of late.  meh 

 

Right here is the linkage. One or the other or this is a bus attempt - like I said, covering both bases preemptively for a Lenlo coroner. The first part is sort of strange considering the current state of the game, if we mislynch then we are end game with a NK, but obviously you couldn't just say this outright until the deed was done.

 

The last bit actually makes me more confident that you and Len are two of the last scum. You are linking me to his flip while also hedging on adding your vote to the train so that when he flips you can pin it to me later.

 

It's amazing how quickly your tone changed once I moved my vote to you though. Suddenly you are uninterested in lynching Lenlo and want to focus on me and Des solely - two of the biggest contributors to the confscum lynch.

[Darthe]

I'll acknowledge that it doesn't make much sense when looking back on it AJ.  As for why I am not going back and providing quotes I don't have a ton of drive to do so and I am really not interested in rereading this thread to validate points to someone I have had a scum lean on.

[Darthe]

And here comes the tunnel. lesigh, guess I earned it

[Andrej]

I'll acknowledge that it doesn't make much sense when looking back on it AJ.  As for why I am not going back and providing quotes I don't have a ton of drive to do so and I am really not interested in rereading this thread to validate points to someone I have had a scum lean on.

 

lol well that's stubborn of you

[Darthe]

Are you surprised? Graduate student during finals week who is running a game. I started this one awesome and since then its been pigs all the way down. I won't ignore that I am not being the best townie ever and im not one to claim that I Ann doing better than I really am. As you well know from our mentor stuff together my show of arrogance in game is just that, a show.

 

Now I'm in late game and kinda lost. Better to admit it and attempt to win than bluster on to a loss

[Andrej]

Finals sound rough. My semester is starting to wind down as well, so I've been pretty stacked with assignments too. I've got 3 major essays that I need to finish, 2 separate presentations I'm working on, plus generally reading/studying to prepare for the upcoming final exams.

 

 

Honestly I hate how genuine your tone sounds.

 

Here's the thing:

 

I don't think TG or Tress are scum. Tress is vetted and I sort of wish she'd take on a bigger role here, but meh. TG has been consistent with his arguments all game, which is pretty solid all around.

 

I'm not convinced Despo is scum and I would prefer to lynch elsewhere today. His involvement in getting Nolder lynched was pretty pivotal. Both Days.

 

Len looks absolutely dirty for his play this game, or lack there of. I don't put a lot of weight in Dawn's assessment (no offense) but this is more so because of her playing experience and inability to present her thoughts in a way that I can follow (keep working on it Dawn).

 

I sincerely fail to see how Dice is cleared because his QT partner is more or less vetted. Looking back on his votes on the Mynd wagon (pushes the angle that Mynd 'knows too much' which would fit a scum agenda considering the big discussion that Day was the compromised QTs and of course they would want to shut that up) and then his bandwagon vote on Nolder's wagon late without commentary and I think we've got a good bet for scum.

[Darthe]

Don't WIFOM yourself.  It's genuine, you know better than late game WIFOM.  I am facing it right now because Nol sacrificing himself means I can't trust that train analysis but it looks so good to that point.  

 

And yeah, grad school 5pt grade scale.

[Andrej]

I completely forgot that Krak flipped as a BG, so that probably means there isn't another protective role out there. That flip along with Nolder's should prove that PRs don't ensure all-Town QTs.

 

Now I see why you said BPV over Doc. So yeah, then Tress was likely blocked. Also explains why she hasn't been NK'd yet since scum could control her ability.

 

Everyone needs to start putting their thoughts out there, legitimately. There are (probably) 3 scum left so I would appreciate it if everyone put together a list of their top 3 and we can compare/go from there.

 

Top down:

 

Len or Dice today IMO. I think both will flip scum most likely.

 

After that I would put it down to Darthe or Despo.

[Andrej]

##unvote vote Len

[Andrej]

I completely forgot that Krak flipped as a BG, so that probably means there isn't another protective role out there. That flip along with Nolder's should prove that PRs don't ensure all-Town QTs.

 

Now I see why you said BPV over Doc. So yeah, then Tress was likely blocked. Also explains why she hasn't been NK'd yet since scum could control her ability.

 

Everyone needs to start putting their thoughts out there, legitimately. There are (probably) 3 scum left so I would appreciate it if everyone put together a list of their top 3 and we can compare/go from there.

 

Top down:

 

Len or Dice today IMO. I think both will flip scum most likely.

 

After that I would put it down to Darthe or Despo.

 

Keep forgetting about Dawn. She's the wildcard kicker. Scum flip on Len clears her IMO.

[Darthe]

IMO this was a fantastic play by Nol regardless of how it plays out.  Makes late game entirely confusing.

[Darthe]

Mind going back over why len?