[Basic] Clash of the ancients - Mafia Wins!

[Darthe]

##Unvote Vote Lewis

[Darthe]

 

If I was pushing for you, why is my vote on Dice? Your paranoia is misguided.  Sign of a guilty conscience.

 

Also, I believe Darthe is scum, and not just because he's bragging about it on our QT.  But it doesn't matter what I believe or what AJ believes, it matters what I can prove to the town.  Right now, you are 1/2 of the surviving Egyptians.  What we need to do first more than anything is figure out if indeed 1 scum on each team.  I wonder why it makes more sense to you that Darthe, AJ, and myself are scum rather than the possibility that your Egyptian partner is a rat. 

 

All this fluff about a 2 11 2 or 1 2 2 1 or 9 0 2 1 0 is only distraction.  Think about it if you were a mod.  How would you set this game up?  It would be completely unfair to a vanilla townie to be on a qt with TWO scum.  I'd be pissed if I found out that BOTH AJ and DARTHE were scum.  Having one on each team makes much more sense.  This is why the scum are so desperately trying to shake the numbers up. 

 

 

As I stated earlier though, it is possible that Nolder is town and really was just pissed at JackD.  I just find it curious that he isn't even considering his surviving Egyptian cohort as a possible scum.

The bolded parts.

 

Part 1) Is frankly shit.  I haven't said but three things on the QT today (maybe four including the AM) and only one of them was related at all to my alignment.  He called me scum and I said I was town.  Either AJ can confirm this or they are scum together meaning that even if I am lynched it will confirm him as LLL and then they both go down.  That is Lewis trapping himself.

 

Part 2) Directly conflicts with 1.  Either he is claiming that I am not mafia or he is.  

 

 

In any case I get enough from this one post to return my vote.

 

unvote Vote Lewis

 

 

Quoting this in case you didn't read the whole MQ.  Read the freaking thing above.  I typed it because it was important.

[amegakure]

Official vote count

 

 

Dice (1/7) lewis

Nolder (2/7) tress, aj

lewis (3/7) nolder, dice, darthe

 

Not Voting: despo, dawn, thane, TG, krak, lenlo,  

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

 

 

[LewisFriendly]

lewis you do seem to be making a lot of assumptions. As has been pointed out there could be a number of ways the mafia is distributed. Some teams being completely town is definitely possible.

 

unless you know different?

 

You also claim tress is vetted as vig.  Now while i believe Tress due to her reactions in our QT, she is not vetted. (does this argument sound familiar darthe? why do people keep using that word?)

 

I think lewis knows too much.

 

##vote lewis

 

Awww, you flatter me Dice.  But if I was mafia, would I even be mentioning the set up at all?  I would have kept quiet the whole time. 

 

And please don't take it personal, Dice.  I chose you because, based on everything, your lynch would either prove or disprove the "one scum on each team" notion.  Tress is an uncontested Vig and your only surviving teammate.  She is the only one besides myself that I can safely say is town. 

 

Dice flips town, we KNOW that the scum is all on one team. 

 

Dice flips scum, we know differently. 

 

The problem with a Nolder vote is that if he flips scum, there could still be another scum on his team so it proves nothing. 

 

But in the interest of self-preservation......

 

##unvote

 

##vote Nolder

[LewisFriendly]

 

 

If I was pushing for you, why is my vote on Dice? Your paranoia is misguided.  Sign of a guilty conscience.

 

Also, I believe Darthe is scum, and not just because he's bragging about it on our QT.  But it doesn't matter what I believe or what AJ believes, it matters what I can prove to the town.  Right now, you are 1/2 of the surviving Egyptians.  What we need to do first more than anything is figure out if indeed 1 scum on each team.  I wonder why it makes more sense to you that Darthe, AJ, and myself are scum rather than the possibility that your Egyptian partner is a rat. 

 

All this fluff about a 2 11 2 or 1 2 2 1 or 9 0 2 1 0 is only distraction.  Think about it if you were a mod.  How would you set this game up?  It would be completely unfair to a vanilla townie to be on a qt with TWO scum.  I'd be pissed if I found out that BOTH AJ and DARTHE were scum.  Having one on each team makes much more sense.  This is why the scum are so desperately trying to shake the numbers up. 

 

 

As I stated earlier though, it is possible that Nolder is town and really was just pissed at JackD.  I just find it curious that he isn't even considering his surviving Egyptian cohort as a possible scum.

The bolded parts.

 

Part 1) Is frankly shit.  I haven't said but three things on the QT today (maybe four including the AM) and only one of them was related at all to my alignment.  He called me scum and I said I was town.  Either AJ can confirm this or they are scum together meaning that even if I am lynched it will confirm him as LLL and then they both go down.  That is Lewis trapping himself.

 

Part 2) Directly conflicts with 1.  Either he is claiming that I am not mafia or he is.  

 

 

In any case I get enough from this one post to return my vote.

 

unvote Vote Lewis

 

 

Quoting this in case you didn't read the whole MQ.  Read the freaking thing above.  I typed it because it was important.

 

Allow me to retort....

 

1) The liar liar, pants on fire argument gambit?  Don't twist reality to suit your own purposes.  What little you have said in our QT has been the verbal equivalent of NAYAAAH NAAYYYAH pfffft!  Again, it doesn't matter what you have said to me or AJ.  You could have posted "IM SCUM-DIDDLEY-BIG-SCHLONG and IVE COME FOR YOUR WOMEN" and it wouldn't matter.   The facts matter.  

 

2)  You confused me here.  Let me be frank.  I think that the game setup would most likely have one scum on each team to be fair and balanced.  I would be upset, as I would assume most players would, to find out that the other TWO players on my QT were scum.  I think that's pretty reasonable, don't you?

[Darthe]

So are you voting nol because you think he is scum?

 

That conflicts with me being scum or with the idea that all scum are on the same QT, two of which you have proposed.

 

Or are you voting him in the interest of self preservation?

 

That implies that you care more about your life than about the wellbeing of the town.

 

If Dice flips town how does it prove that the scum are all on one team?  It seems to me that scum would really want to push this idea for two reasons:

 

Scum could be on multiple teams and that could be the guaranteed all town team

We don't know the setup so we cannot assume that all groups are equal despite the push of my two scummy viking fellows.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

If I was pushing for you, why is my vote on Dice? Your paranoia is misguided.  Sign of a guilty conscience.

 

Also, I believe Darthe is scum, and not just because he's bragging about it on our QT.  But it doesn't matter what I believe or what AJ believes, it matters what I can prove to the town.  Right now, you are 1/2 of the surviving Egyptians.  What we need to do first more than anything is figure out if indeed 1 scum on each team.  I wonder why it makes more sense to you that Darthe, AJ, and myself are scum rather than the possibility that your Egyptian partner is a rat. 

 

All this fluff about a 2 11 2 or 1 2 2 1 or 9 0 2 1 0 is only distraction.  Think about it if you were a mod.  How would you set this game up?  It would be completely unfair to a vanilla townie to be on a qt with TWO scum.  I'd be pissed if I found out that BOTH AJ and DARTHE were scum.  Having one on each team makes much more sense.  This is why the scum are so desperately trying to shake the numbers up. 

 

 

As I stated earlier though, it is possible that Nolder is town and really was just pissed at JackD.  I just find it curious that he isn't even considering his surviving Egyptian cohort as a possible scum.

The bolded parts.

 

Part 1) Is frankly shit.  I haven't said but three things on the QT today (maybe four including the AM) and only one of them was related at all to my alignment.  He called me scum and I said I was town.  Either AJ can confirm this or they are scum together meaning that even if I am lynched it will confirm him as LLL and then they both go down.  That is Lewis trapping himself.

 

Part 2) Directly conflicts with 1.  Either he is claiming that I am not mafia or he is.  

 

 

In any case I get enough from this one post to return my vote.

 

unvote Vote Lewis

 

 

Quoting this in case you didn't read the whole MQ.  Read the freaking thing above.  I typed it because it was important.

 

Allow me to retort....

 

1) The liar liar, pants on fire argument gambit?  Don't twist reality to suit your own purposes.  What little you have said in our QT has been the verbal equivalent of NAYAAAH NAAYYYAH pfffft!  Again, it doesn't matter what you have said to me or AJ.  You could have posted "IM SCUM-DIDDLEY-BIG-SCHLONG and IVE COME FOR YOUR WOMEN" and it wouldn't matter.   The facts matter.  

 

2)  You confused me here.  Let me be frank.  I think that the game setup would most likely have one scum on each team to be fair and balanced.  I would be upset, as I would assume most players would, to find out that the other TWO players on my QT were scum.  I think that's pretty reasonable, don't you?

 

1) So when you said before that I was bragging about being scum in our QT you didn't mean that I suppose.  You really meant that I was just spamming random crap.  Like when i said I just think that between Nol/Len one is town and the other isn't and I would anticipate it being Len that was scum. or when I said We stopped doing that. Counterproductive compared to how effective it is for everyone to play as town as possible and then remove the weak links.

 

Just, ya know, drivel like that

 

2) First, your argument starts out inflated because that assumes five scum.  Second, are you basing that on your feelings?  It doesn't have a rational basis considering that you said "man it would suck if things were this way".

[Darthe]

Lock scum

[LewisFriendly]

I do think Nolder is scum.  I thought I was pretty clear on this.  I think you, Dice, Nolder, and two others are the scum team.  I actually think Dice is the better lynch among all of you because Tress is pretty much as kosher as a pickle, but I can roll with a Nolder lynch as well.  I just wish the third Egyptian would come forward and chime in on Nolder's actions. 

 

Also, I know I am town so why would I not want to preserve myself?

 

Dice flipping town would prove, to me at least, that the scum are all on one team.  Again, it would be completely unfair for there to be more than one scum on each team. Therefore, either the entire scum team is one group, or they are spread evenly among the others. 

 

And in keeping with the theme of the game, as beautifully orchestrated by the Mods, there is always a scum in every civilization.  That's what we should always remember from history. 

[Darthe]

Btw, for anyone who needs a meta read:

 

Lewis is Mynd.  

[Nolder]

If I was pushing for you, why is my vote on Dice? Your paranoia is misguided.  Sign of a guilty conscience.

I didn't notice you'd voted Dice so point goes to you there.

That begs the question though, what the hell are you doing voting for Dice when you've spent all this time attacking me?

 

 

Also, I believe Darthe is scum, and not just because he's bragging about it on our QT.  But it doesn't matter what I believe or what AJ believes, it matters what I can prove to the town.  Right now, you are 1/2 of the surviving Egyptians.  What we need to do first more than anything is figure out if indeed 1 scum on each team.  I wonder why it makes more sense to you that Darthe, AJ, and myself are scum rather than the possibility that your Egyptian partner is a rat.

It begs the question again, if you know Darthe is scum why aren't you voting him?

 

And I'm not voting my other partner because I don't suspect them.

I'm extremely confident that there are no "infiltrators" or whatever and you guys are just pushing the idea to lead town on a wild goose chase. Even if one of you flips mafia you can just turn around and say there we got our guy now let's go look for the others on other teams. It's so painfully obvious.

[Nolder]

Dude I think it's pretty obvious at this point going forward that something funky is going on. The Cop doesn't turn up dead on D2 that often.

It happens all the time.

Have you really never played in a game where cop turned up dead on D2 before?

Sorry but I'm gonna have to pull rank here, if this doesn't seem commonplace to you you haven't played enough mafia yet.

[Nolder]

How would you feel if you found out that BOTH players on your QT were scum?  Pretty screwed.

Dunno why you keep saying this.

Just pushing your narrative more I guess.

You're leading people here, telling them what to think by answering your own question.

[Nolder]

So are you voting nol because you think he is scum?

 

That conflicts with me being scum or with the idea that all scum are on the same QT, two of which you have proposed.

 

Or are you voting him in the interest of self preservation?

 

That implies that you care more about your life than about the wellbeing of the town.

 

If Dice flips town how does it prove that the scum are all on one team?  It seems to me that scum would really want to push this idea for two reasons:

 

Scum could be on multiple teams and that could be the guaranteed all town team

We don't know the setup so we cannot assume that all groups are equal despite the push of my two scummy viking fellows.

So you get what I'm saying now?

[LewisFriendly]

Again, what you said in our QT is irrelevant, but will make for some lolz after the game is over I'm sure. 

 

What are most relevant? The facts. 

 

What will my lynch prove to anyone?  Let's follow that logic for a bit, shall we?

 

Mynd/Lewis flips town, that means that either AJ and Darthe are scum, or they are both scum, or they are both town. 

 

Mynd/Lewis flips scum, that means that either AJ and Darthe are both town, both scum, or one is and one isn't. 

 

In other words, NOTHING!  Only I know for sure that I am town, but that doesn't help the town if I am dead, does it?

 

Now, let's replace me with Dice. 

 

Given these two assumptions: 

1)Tress is an uncontested townie vig and

2) that the game would be unbalanced if there are more than one scum on a given QT

 

Dice flips town, that means that the entire Chinese team is town and therefore proving the one player on each team as scum to be false.

 

Dice flips scum, that proves that there is one player on each team that is scum. 

 

Insert everyone on the player list into this pattern and see what you can come up with. 

[Nolder]

Also, I know I am town so why would I not want to preserve myself?

So you're gonna pull the self preservation card (which is valid) but crucify me for hammering someone who was self voting?

Don't see the double standard there?

 

And in keeping with the theme of the game, as beautifully orchestrated by the Mods, there is always a scum in every civilization.  That's what we should always remember from history.

Just a pro tip since you're new to DM.

The house rules here are that anyone who tries to manipulate flavor is generally scum.

I'm not going to hold it against you this time since I think there's plenty of other dirt on you but just FYI for future games. Whether you're town or scum you're gonna get lynched if you do it.

[LewisFriendly]

 

How would you feel if you found out that BOTH players on your QT were scum?  Pretty screwed.

Dunno why you keep saying this.

Just pushing your narrative more I guess.

You're leading people here, telling them what to think by answering your own question.

 

 

Think about it though.  Balance is important in a good run mafia game.  I know the mods have worked very hard at setting this up.  How would you feel if you found out that the other two players on your QT were both scum?  The whole point of a balanced game is so that everyone has an equal chance of having fun and winning.  Placing a vanilla townie on a QT with two scum players gives that player a greater disadvantage than those that don't. 

 

These are not just assumptions that I am making.  They are educated assumptions.  I can't say for certain that when I stick my hand in a fire that it will burn.  Experience has taught me that it most likely will.  I don't need to be 100% sure of something to be pretty frakkin sure. 

[Lenlo]

Btw, for anyone who needs a meta read:

 

Lewis is Mynd.  

:O

[Nolder]

Btw, for anyone who needs a meta read:

 

Lewis is Mynd.

Wait...like literally?

[Nolder]

Again, what you said in our QT is irrelevant, but will make for some lolz after the game is over I'm sure. 

 

What are most relevant? The facts. 

 

What will my lynch prove to anyone?  Let's follow that logic for a bit, shall we?

 

Mynd/Lewis flips town, that means that either AJ and Darthe are scum, or they are both scum, or they are both town. 

 

Mynd/Lewis flips scum, that means that either AJ and Darthe are both town, both scum, or one is and one isn't. 

 

In other words, NOTHING!  Only I know for sure that I am town, but that doesn't help the town if I am dead, does it?

 

Now, let's replace me with Dice. 

 

Given these two assumptions:

1)Tress is an uncontested townie vig and

2) that the game would be unbalanced if there are more than one scum on a given QT

 

Dice flips town, that means that the entire Chinese team is town and therefore proving the one player on each team as scum to be false.

 

Dice flips scum, that proves that there is one player on each team that is scum. 

 

Insert everyone on the player list into this pattern and see what you can come up with.

You're leaving out the fact that Tress can shoot someone.

[LewisFriendly]

 

Also, I know I am town so why would I not want to preserve myself?

So you're gonna pull the self preservation card (which is valid) but crucify me for hammering someone who was self voting?

Don't see the double standard there?

 

And in keeping with the theme of the game, as beautifully orchestrated by the Mods, there is always a scum in every civilization.  That's what we should always remember from history.

Just a pro tip since you're new to DM.

The house rules here are that anyone who tries to manipulate flavor is generally scum.

I'm not going to hold it against you this time since I think there's plenty of other dirt on you but just FYI for future games. Whether you're town or scum you're gonna get lynched if you do it.

 

 

1) if you had been paying attention, I'm not really new. 

 

2) House rules are for people who can't think for themselves.  Might as well say "anyone who posts 53rd is scum"...or, anyone who self votes....and we saw how that turned out, didn't we?

 

3) I actually think Dice is the smartest vote here.  I think you or your other Egyptian are scum, but Tress is all but confirmed town at this point.  An uncontested VIG who admits she killed her own teammate freely is so town she needs a streetlight.  There is plenty of time for us to move towards Dice.  My vote on you is primarily self-preservation; however, I think if we move towards Dice, we (the town) will get more info. 

 

Nolder, who is your other Egyptian?  Is it Krak?

[Nolder]

Also you're still pushing the 2 scum 1 QT thing.

 

I was pretty sure your entire team was scum but the way you keep clinging to this and calling it unbalanced makes me think Darthe is the townie on your team and you and AJ are both scum. That would blow up my theory about one team being scum but damn if it doesn't seem to fit like a glove right now. Maybe Darthe is playing good because he's actually good. I may have psyched myself out using the Too Townie argument sorry Darthe.

[Darthe]

You have but its okay.

 

And yeah literally.

[LewisFriendly]

 

Again, what you said in our QT is irrelevant, but will make for some lolz after the game is over I'm sure. 

 

What are most relevant? The facts. 

 

What will my lynch prove to anyone?  Let's follow that logic for a bit, shall we?

 

Mynd/Lewis flips town, that means that either AJ and Darthe are scum, or they are both scum, or they are both town. 

 

Mynd/Lewis flips scum, that means that either AJ and Darthe are both town, both scum, or one is and one isn't. 

 

In other words, NOTHING!  Only I know for sure that I am town, but that doesn't help the town if I am dead, does it?

 

Now, let's replace me with Dice. 

 

Given these two assumptions:

1)Tress is an uncontested townie vig and

2) that the game would be unbalanced if there are more than one scum on a given QT

 

Dice flips town, that means that the entire Chinese team is town and therefore proving the one player on each team as scum to be false.

 

Dice flips scum, that proves that there is one player on each team that is scum. 

 

Insert everyone on the player list into this pattern and see what you can come up with.

You're leaving out the fact that Tress can shoot someone.

 

 

So you are saying that Tress being a Vig might mean her whole team is town?  What about Nervo being the cop?  Rather convenient that the cop dies on N1.  While it is still an assumption, it is likely that someone on his QT ratted him out. 

 

Funny thing, it is also possible that you are town and overreacted to JackD, who claimed the QTs to be compromised, which sent us all down this rabbit hole, while the real mafia team sits back and laughs at us all. 

 

As a show of good faith, and my firm belief that Dice is the best lynch.

 

##unvote

 

##vote Dicetosser1

 

Unless this game was unbalanced from the start (which it totally is not), Dice will either confirm or disprove the one scum per team theory.

[Nolder]

1) if you had been paying attention, I'm not really new.

I guess so. I never considered someone would join under a pseudonym since alt accounts aren't allowed on DM.

 

Welcome back. Scum.

 

2) House rules are for people who can't think for themselves.  Might as well say "anyone who posts 53rd is scum"...or, anyone who self votes....and we saw how that turned out, didn't we?

Was a friendly tip.

I'm not gonna argue it's validity I'm just saying that kind of thing will get you killed around here.

 

Nolder, who is your other Egyptian?  Is it Krak?

I asked on our QT if they'd like to claim it.

I'm not going to say without discussing it with them first.