[Advanced] Twilight Mafia Game over - Mafia win

[Tommyrod]

....except I'm not being coached. 

Woof

[Lenlo]

....except I'm not being coached. 

Sounds like something someone being coached would say.

 

TBH though, as scum I doubt Dawn needs coaching. Shes quite good at it. I still dont believe she doesnt realize why its a bad idea though.

[dawnflower8]

Ok, fine, Unvote Hallia. 

 

I'm not gonna keep her unvoted for very long, though...

[Leelou]

Vote Count

 

Tommy (1) - Clov

Lenlo (1) - Des

 

Not voting - Verbal, Lenlo, Pral, Tommy, Hallia, Dawn

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to vote

[Hallia]

Why? What about my reveals on viewings doesn't make sense, or is scummy? As opposed to those who haven't claimed?

[hazelkrs1]

I think you should just ignore all those claims...since all the mafia fake claimed unless Clov is scum and I don't think he is.

This is basically the most antitown and scummy thing anyone has said all game. Pretty sure Dawn is scum.

 

I'll proper POE tackle this mother later on after I get my head straight.

 

No Verbal, no more shots for me.

 

Unvote

[dawnflower8]

I thought that you thought I was scum the entire game...

[hazelkrs1]

Did I say my feelings on you had changed? Tbh I've been off so I didn't really have the tightest grasp on the game, was gonna refresh myself tonight. I don't remember ever clearing you or saying you were town, buuuuut yeah that post was just unbelievably scummy

[Leelou]

Vote Count

Tommy (1) - Clov

Not voting - Verbal, Lenlo, Pral, Tommy, Hallia, Dawn, Des

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to vote

[Hallia]

How would you know for sure that all the mafia fake claimed, if you're vanilla as you say you are? (Unless you know the other members of the mafia team)

[dawnflower8]

How would you know for sure that all the mafia fake claimed, if you're vanilla as you say you are? (Unless you know the other members of the mafia team)

We can just assume that, since there are at least 3 mafia. At least 1 fake claimed. I think all of them fake claimed since I don't think any of the people who haven't are mafia.

[Clovdyx]

Unvote, per request.

 

 

How would you know for sure that all the mafia fake claimed, if you're vanilla as you say you are? (Unless you know the other members of the mafia team)

We can just assume that, since there are at least 3 mafia. At least 1 fake claimed. I think all of them fake claimed since I don't think any of the people who haven't are mafia.

 

 

Which claim do you think is the least likely to be true, and which claim do you think has the greatest chance of being a scum role if true?

[Clovdyx]

Dawn, if you're still around, I'm still waiting for examples from the game that suggested Hallia has been inconsistent between her reads and her pushes/night targets.  She doesn't have a TON of posts so it shouldn't be overly difficult to find what led you to that conclusion. 

[Leelou]

Vote Count

Not voting - Verbal, Lenlo, Pral, Tommy, Hallia, Dawn, Des, clov

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to vote 

[Clovdyx]

Unvote, per request.

 

 

How would you know for sure that all the mafia fake claimed, if you're vanilla as you say you are? (Unless you know the other members of the mafia team)

We can just assume that, since there are at least 3 mafia. At least 1 fake claimed. I think all of them fake claimed since I don't think any of the people who haven't are mafia.

 

 

Which claim do you think is the least likely to be true, and which claim do you think has the greatest chance of being a scum role if true?

 

Anybody that wants to weigh in on this question is more than welcome. 

[Leelou]

Deadline is tomorrow at 6 pm EST. 

[Pralaya]

Well, looks like this game died at the wrong moment. This is only going to be beneficial to scum because we are going to succumb to the deadline pressure and end up mislynching at LyLo. A lot of people have suddenly become silent, which doesn't look so good given the context we are in. I hope we get enough discussion today to win it from here.

 

We have the below situation right now

 

Des - Vig

Lenlo - Oracle

Hallia - JOAT

Verbal - unknown PR

 

Dawn - Claimed VT

Tommy - Claimed VT

Me - Claimed VT

 

Clov - unknown

 

I find it hard to believe that all the PR claims are town. Because if it is the case that all four are town, then it would essentially mean that I am the only vanilla in the whole setup and that I think is not at all believable. i know Tommy and I had a debate in which he found this point absurd, but given that Verbal is also a claimed PR now, I find this an important point in my reasoning. 

 

My preferred vote would be Hallia. Because I had doubts about her gameplay which I have highlighted in my cases and also her JOAT claim is something which is easy to fake as a scum. Tina tracked Hallia visiting Cory and it could have been anything which could be well hidden within a JOAT claim.

[hazelkrs1]

Yeah Verbal's whole "everyone unvote" idea has fallen flat on it's face. He has killed the thread more than anyone else, and hasn't followed up on it either.

 

Sadly, my gut is telling me he is town.

 

SO in fact what I shall do is Vote Tommy. Sort of on a hunch, and well while I realize this isn't the fairest point in the world, I'm pretty sure if Tommy was town he wouldn't have been fine letting this game die like this. At the very least I would have expected some kind of ragepost from him about activity and no one caring.

 

Also, there's basically nothing in this thread that points to Tommy being town, and considering the profile player he is, that is outright alarming.

[Leelou]

Vote Count

 

Tommy (1) - Des

Not voting - Verbal, Lenlo, Pral, Tommy, Hallia, Dawn, Des, clov

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to vote 

 

Deadline today 6 pm EST

[Tommyrod]

Yeah Verbal's whole "everyone unvote" idea has fallen flat on it's face. He has killed the thread more than anyone else, and hasn't followed up on it either.

 

Sadly, my gut is telling me he is town.

 

SO in fact what I shall do is Vote Tommy. Sort of on a hunch, and well while I realize this isn't the fairest point in the world, I'm pretty sure if Tommy was town he wouldn't have been fine letting this game die like this. At the very least I would have expected some kind of ragepost from him about activity and no one caring.

 

Also, there's basically nothing in this thread that points to Tommy being town, and considering the profile player he is, that is outright alarming.

I believe Verb is town as well. I've been waiting for someone to post because Verb told me to stop posting and you've been gone for days. I could say the same about you regarding not caring and playing poorly 

[Verbal32]

Yeah Verbal's whole "everyone unvote" idea has fallen flat on it's face. He has killed the thread more than anyone else, and hasn't followed up on it either.

 

Sadly, my gut is telling me he is town.

 

SO in fact what I shall do is Vote Tommy. Sort of on a hunch, and well while I realize this isn't the fairest point in the world, I'm pretty sure if Tommy was town he wouldn't have been fine letting this game die like this. At the very least I would have expected some kind of ragepost from him about activity and no one caring.

 

Also, there's basically nothing in this thread that points to Tommy being town, and considering the profile player he is, that is outright alarming.

 

No Des, my "idea" could easily have saved the game from ending with a scum win if a couple townies voted wrong.  I was ridiculously busy yesterday, and didn't get a chance to pop in.  I wasn't worried, knowing we had today as well to come to a consensus.

 

I'll be rereading a bit this morning and coming back with my thoughts.

[Verbal32]

Granted, I was kinda expecting a few more posts yesterday than what we got.  I said we should unvote, not stop talking.

[Tommyrod]

Well, looks like this game died at the wrong moment. This is only going to be beneficial to scum because we are going to succumb to the deadline pressure and end up mislynching at LyLo. A lot of people have suddenly become silent, which doesn't look so good given the context we are in. I hope we get enough discussion today to win it from here.

 

We have the below situation right now

 

Des - Vig

Lenlo - Oracle

Hallia - JOAT

Verbal - unknown PR

 

Dawn - Claimed VT

Tommy - Claimed VT

Me - Claimed VT

 

Clov - unknown

 

I find it hard to believe that all the PR claims are town. Because if it is the case that all four are town, then it would essentially mean that I am the only vanilla in the whole setup and that I think is not at all believable. i know Tommy and I had a debate in which he found this point absurd, but given that Verbal is also a claimed PR now, I find this an important point in my reasoning. 

 

My preferred vote would be Hallia. Because I had doubts about her gameplay which I have highlighted in my cases and also her JOAT claim is something which is easy to fake as a scum. Tina tracked Hallia visiting Cory and it could have been anything which could be well hidden within a JOAT claim.

 

I'm on the fence with Hallia. She's given me glimmers of conviction that I'm not sure she can fake as scum. I have no idea what you're trying to say about the VTs. There's 3 claimed VTs including yourself. What's the problem?

[Pralaya]

Dude, if all the four PR claims are town, then 3 of the other 4 must be scum.

[Tommyrod]

Oh I see what you're saying. Well I can guarantee I'm a VT, in the event you are as well, that would mean at least one role claim is a lie. Most likely would be Len, from a claims perspective maybe Hallia because JOAT could be scum and a cop view on Cory is an easy claim, and I'm not sure why Dawn threw in her VT claim with mine. This is why I hate claim games.