[Advanced] Dragonmount Witchhunt Mafia!!! Game over, Witches win!!!

[Verbal32]

So you're saying your buddy post was the way they knew Lily's role?

[Verbal32]

Which doesn't add up - they thought you were Turin.  You aren't.  So therefore the buddy post wasn't what they used to determine Lily's role (which the obviously got correct).  That means the 2 might not have been related.

 

Which also lends more credence to my theory.

 

 

 

Anything else?

[Leelou]

I like your theory. 

[Pralaya]

Which doesn't add up - they thought you were Turin.  You aren't.  So therefore the buddy post wasn't what they used to determine Lily's role (which the obviously got correct).  That means the 2 might not have been related.

 

Which also lends more credence to my theory.

 

 

 

Anything else?

 

They thought I was Turin and Lily was Ithillan. They thought that I was having a strong town read on her because I knew she was town. I wasn't Turin, but Lily being Ithi was pure co-incidence. When they got a successful result on Lily, they attempted the same on me and failed.

 

You, me and scum are playing the same game. Assuming your theory is true, can you show me what other role Lily might have hinted? I tried to see but failed to see anything and that is why I am assuming the above scenario where they thought Lily was Ithi. If I was scum and attempting the gambit and purposefully buddying Lily mid-Day 1 to throw a mask, it should have been a clear hint quite early in the game - something which never happened.  That is why I am saying it is nearly impossible to execute the gambit D1

[Sedai]

 

 

Which doesn't add up - they thought you were Turin. You aren't. So therefore the buddy post wasn't what they used to determine Lily's role (which the obviously got correct). That means the 2 might not have been related.

 

Which also lends more credence to my theory.

 

 

 

Anything else?

They thought I was Turin and Lily was Ithillan. They thought that I was having a strong town read on her because I knew she was town. I wasn't Turin, but Lily being Ithi was pure co-incidence. When they got a successful result on Lily, they attempted the same on me and failed.

 

You, me and scum are playing the same game. Assuming your theory is true, can you show me what other role Lily might have hinted? I tried to see but failed to see anything and that is why I am assuming the above scenario where they thought Lily was Ithi. If I was scum and attempting the gambit and purposefully buddying Lily mid-Day 1 to throw a mask, it should have been a clear hint quite early in the game - something which never happened. That is why I am saying it is nearly impossible to execute the gambit D1

I disagree with this general game theory.

 

If I made the play. I'd of night killed you and got your coroner from the Lenlo role. If you weren't Turin then I'd move to soup lily or night kill her on the second night based on availability of information. That's maxing your reward with your risk.

[Alanna]

I agree that that's a smarter strategy, Jack. But I'm not sure if that makes it more or less likely for Verb's theory to be true. Could be the mafia just didn't think of that.

 

Well then, so much for the multiquote I had to discuss some of Wombat's recent posts (the discussion with Vos).

 

I was going to say that I actually agreed with Vos there, and now I'm thinking it is a strong possibility Dice took out a witch.

 

I'd still be interested to hear your thoughts about this, Verb (you don't have to do quotes again if you don't want to). It's still relevant, given that we don't get confirmation of alignment off dead people in this game and have to work off our best guesses. Since I was felt pretty 50/50 about Wombat, I'd like to hear why others feel pretty certain he was a witch.

[Sedai]

I disagree with this general game theory.

 

If I made the play. I'd of night killed you and got your coroner from the Lenlo role. If you weren't Turin then I'd move to soup lily or night kill her on the second night based on availability of information. That's maxing your reward with your risk.

Weren't supposed to be were

[Pralaya]

 

I disagree with this general game theory.

 

If I made the play. I'd of night killed you and got your coroner from the Lenlo role. If you weren't Turin then I'd move to soup lily or night kill her on the second night based on availability of information. That's maxing your reward with your risk.

 

 

There's always the risk vs reward. When you could potentially get two kills in one night, with their roles known. I am sure that is what they were aiming for. 

[Verbal32]

 

Which doesn't add up - they thought you were Turin.  You aren't.  So therefore the buddy post wasn't what they used to determine Lily's role (which the obviously got correct).  That means the 2 might not have been related.

 

Which also lends more credence to my theory.

 

 

 

Anything else?

 

They thought I was Turin and Lily was Ithillan. They thought that I was having a strong town read on her because I knew she was town. I wasn't Turin, but Lily being Ithi was pure co-incidence. When they got a successful result on Lily, they attempted the same on me and failed.

 

You, me and scum are playing the same game. Assuming your theory is true, can you show me what other role Lily might have hinted? I tried to see but failed to see anything and that is why I am assuming the above scenario where they thought Lily was Ithi. If I was scum and attempting the gambit and purposefully buddying Lily mid-Day 1 to throw a mask, it should have been a clear hint quite early in the game - something which never happened.  That is why I am saying it is nearly impossible to execute the gambit D1

 

 

Did I miss something?  How do you know Lily was Ithi?  The bolded appears to indicate you know who Lily was and the witches' thought process.  Interesting.

 

 

 

 

I agree that that's a smarter strategy, Jack. But I'm not sure if that makes it more or less likely for Verb's theory to be true. Could be the mafia just didn't think of that.

 

Well then, so much for the multiquote I had to discuss some of Wombat's recent posts (the discussion with Vos).

 

I was going to say that I actually agreed with Vos there, and now I'm thinking it is a strong possibility Dice took out a witch.

 

I'd still be interested to hear your thoughts about this, Verb (you don't have to do quotes again if you don't want to). It's still relevant, given that we don't get confirmation of alignment off dead people in this game and have to work off our best guesses. Since I was felt pretty 50/50 about Wombat, I'd like to hear why others feel pretty certain he was a witch.

 

I said it in that post - I think Vos came out ahead on his discussion with Wombat, and I think his points were solid.  I stated my agreement, and that I think it was likely Wombat was a witch.

 

This also lines up with his early "super town" post about the soupkills.  Wombat likes to help the town when he's scum......or at least openly appear to.

[Sedai]

Agreed. Two kills better for the mafia then 1.

 

However if you have someone hard hinting at Turin. Why not go there with the first kill?

[Pralaya]

 

 

 

 

Which doesn't add up - they thought you were Turin. You aren't. So therefore the buddy post wasn't what they used to determine Lily's role (which the obviously got correct). That means the 2 might not have been related.

 

Which also lends more credence to my theory.

 

 

 

Anything else?

They thought I was Turin and Lily was Ithillan. They thought that I was having a strong town read on her because I knew she was town. I wasn't Turin, but Lily being Ithi was pure co-incidence. When they got a successful result on Lily, they attempted the same on me and failed.

 

You, me and scum are playing the same game. Assuming your theory is true, can you show me what other role Lily might have hinted? I tried to see but failed to see anything and that is why I am assuming the above scenario where they thought Lily was Ithi. If I was scum and attempting the gambit and purposefully buddying Lily mid-Day 1 to throw a mask, it should have been a clear hint quite early in the game - something which never happened. That is why I am saying it is nearly impossible to execute the gambit D1

Did I miss something? How do you know Lily was Ithi? The bolded appears to indicate you know who Lily was and the witches' thought process. Interesting.

 

See the second para. That is the only logical explanation for the soup kill and the exact link I aiming confuse the witches.

 

Do you have any role hint that Lily gave that would explain successful soup kill? What is your assessment on her role D1 play? I see that you never addressed that part of the question.

[Sedai]

You asking verb or myself?

[Sedai]

Cause on Day 1 I thought lily was Turin or a witch the way she was soft pushing at verb for the CosVote tbh

[Pralaya]

Agreed. Two kills better for the mafia then 1.

 

However if you have someone hard hinting at Turin. Why not go there with the first kill?

I don't know the answer to that.

 

And, no, I didn't hard hint at all.

[Sedai]

 

Agreed. Two kills better for the mafia then 1.

 

However if you have someone hard hinting at Turin. Why not go there with the first kill?

I don't know the answer to that.

 

And, no, I didn't hard hint at all.

You said yourself. You blatantly buddied lily to make witches think you are Turin. Which you are obviously not. So either you didn't blatantly buddy lily to appear like Turin. Or you did.

[Pralaya]

Cause on Day 1 I thought lily was Turin or a witch the way she was soft pushing at verb for the CosVote tbh

In which case, the witches would have guessed verbal's role too. Why not take him out before soup killing me?

[Pralaya]

 

 

Agreed. Two kills better for the mafia then 1.

 

However if you have someone hard hinting at Turin. Why not go there with the first kill?

I don't know the answer to that.

 

And, no, I didn't hard hint at all.

You said yourself. You blatantly buddied lily to make witches think you are Turin. Which you are obviously not. So either you didn't blatantly buddy lily to appear like Turin. Or you did.

Yes. But it wasn't a hard hint. It was disguised as a game play

[Sedai]

 

Cause on Day 1 I thought lily was Turin or a witch the way she was soft pushing at verb for the CosVote tbh

In which case, the witches would have guessed verbal's role too. Why not take him out before soup killing me?

Idk. Seems very weird. Maybe they picked up some other hint lily was dropping at a role. Just saying it would of been more logical to kill you to be certain lily was Ithi before vetting a townie and letting them live all game with the soup mechanic. There is no 100% indication that lily was Ithi. Only hint is the witches went for Turin after a successful soup kill on lily. Which would indicate that.

[Verbal32]

 

Cause on Day 1 I thought lily was Turin or a witch the way she was soft pushing at verb for the CosVote tbh

In which case, the witches would have guessed verbal's role too. Why not take him out before soup killing me?

 

 

Huh?  How would they guess my role?  I have dropped zero hints.  I'm not sure what you mean here....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Agreed. Two kills better for the mafia then 1.

 

However if you have someone hard hinting at Turin. Why not go there with the first kill?

I don't know the answer to that.

 

And, no, I didn't hard hint at all.

You said yourself. You blatantly buddied lily to make witches think you are Turin. Which you are obviously not. So either you didn't blatantly buddy lily to appear like Turin. Or you did.

Yes. But it wasn't a hard hint. It was disguised as a game play

 

 

So are you saying your plan was to hint at Turin towards Lily, then having the witches screw up a soupkill and out one of them......except they got ridiculously lucky and Lily was actually Ithi?

 

Do you see how unlikely that exact sequence of events is?

[Pralaya]

 

 

Cause on Day 1 I thought lily was Turin or a witch the way she was soft pushing at verb for the CosVote tbh

In which case, the witches would have guessed verbal's role too. Why not take him out before soup killing me?

 

Huh? How would they guess my role? I have dropped zero hints. I'm not sure what you mean here....

 

 

 

 

 

So are you saying your plan was to hint at Turin towards Lily, then having the witches screw up a soupkill and out one of them......except they got ridiculously lucky and Lily was actually Ithi?

 

Do you see how unlikely that exact sequence of events is?

 

No, it isn't unlikely. Lily being ithi is around 10% chance.

 

What is unlikely is determining Lily 's role mid D1, buddying her after knowing the role, soup killing her and sacrificing a witch for a gambit. There was nothing there where Lily hinted her role.

 

If, as Jack said, they guessed Lily as Turin because she buddied you, then they would have also guessed you as Ithi. So, that isn't it.

[hazelkrs1]

It was like someone had paused their DVR and was now going forward frame by frame. Pralaya had sensed something wrong and had looked up to see a strange shimmering in the air. Seeing it traveling towards one of his friends, he went into John Woo mode and dramatically started running in slo-mo towards the soon-to-be victim. A dole of doves flew off behind him, and it even seemed the ethos and pathos of the situation was raised even more by stark Wagneresque music playing softly in the background.

 

Pralaya's face contorted in a series of dramatic yet strangely hilarious faces that morphed slowly from rictus of fear to countenance of furied determination to a mask of slight constipation possibly and back to the lip dragging fear-rictus again. His target on the other hand, was frozen in confusion as they stared at the individual running towards them at breackneck speed and as if they were in slow motion at the same time.

 

There was even one of those cool moments where someone dropped something in astonishment and the object slowly fell towards the earth, finally shattering in a reality bending visual that had ripples peel out across the surface before finally fracturing into like a million pieces.

 

The notes of dramatic music finally raised in dramatic crescendoes as Pray finally reached the one he saw the shimmering heading towards. He shoved them away with a slow grunt that sounded like a dramatic juvenile sloth's roar (cause were still on slow mo) and then finally, the shimmering came crashing down into him. Hitting him square in the gut, he was rocketed backwards and spittle and his eyeballs flew out from his face cartoon-like.

 

When he finally landed, he was already dead, and John Woo and Prince joined together somewhere for a soulful mourning rendition of "When Doves Cry" to honor the young man's sacrifice. No one is sure of whether or not the doves actually were crying, but personally I'm not even sure doves have tear ducts to begin with. Anyways-

 

 

Pralaya has sacrificed himself to save another!

[hazelkrs1]

It is now day.

 

Official Vote Count

 

 

Not Voting (7): Verbal, Mish, Jack, Leelou, Hallia, Alanna, Vos

 

The "not voting" group is the same as those who have not voted yet today

 

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to hammer if all other votes have been cast. To "Hyperlynch" you must gather N-1 votes on someone, where N=the number of players surviving. So today that number would be 6.

 

Day 4 deadline

[michellem]

I'm lost.

[Leelou]

I'm lost.

 

I kinda am too. 

[Hallia]

I've got a good idea about who he saved.