[Advanced/Experimental] Mass Effect I - Hydra Game - Game Over

[Darthe]

I am also hesitant to gladiate leelou until we get a claim from SS.  However, our ability can only be activated in the first half of the day which puts a bit of a time crunch on this.  Lol cloud is going to be annoyed with me for both claiming without asking him his opinion and for not thinking to make this happen sooner.

[Darthe]

***GLADIATE SS***

[hazelkrs1]

Well I'm about to start audit. Will bbl

 

[Lenlo]

  On 4/7/2014 at 5:30 AM, Darthe said:

I am also hesitant to gladiate leelou until we get a claim from SS.  However, our ability can only be activated in the first half of the day which puts a bit of a time crunch on this.  Lol cloud is going to be annoyed with me for both claiming without asking him his opinion and for not thinking to make this happen sooner.

Pfft let him. Your a strong independent hydra head who dont need no other half to tell them what to do.

[Turin Turambar]

she already claimed VT

[Darthe]

Here comes the COLE TRAIN BABY

[csarmi]

*** SPECIAL ***

 

A gladiator match will be taking place. Only the players below can be voted. Lynch rules stay in place.

 

VC3.06

 

Votecount:

 

Clarthe: 0

Sexy Sisters: 0

 

Deadline: Wednesday 15:00 GMT

[Darthe]

##Sexy Sisters

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/7/2014 at 5:27 AM, Darthe said:

 

  On 4/7/2014 at 5:24 AM, Despothera said:

 

  On 4/7/2014 at 5:18 AM, Darthe said:

Okay, so everyone has holes but play has been really good for a couple of groups and a couple have PR's or actions that make it extremely unlikely that they were mafia.  That's not optimal (we have no truly cleared teams) but I think it is manageable.  Also, I happen to agree with cory that he was likely the one viewed. PFG, them and us were my three picks.

 

So.... what's your role/ability that can clear you? And you're saying you can't do it today?

 

If it's Governor... I dunno bout this Steve. Seems like just using it earlier would have confirmed yall and made today easier. Plus, since Governor is the perfect complementary town role to match up against Executor... it would seem to be a bit convenient.

 

 

I threatened to target Ithi/Turin last night but wasn't about to throw us down a well when we could confirm ourselves with our ability and especially not just because I was frustrated.  I still am getting bad vibes from them but it is apparently not something I can logically explain well.

 

That makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. why would you use your 1x Gladiator ability at Night? what if we were the NK? It would be wasted. What other ability did you want to use on us at night?

[Lenlo]

##Vote SS

 

Duh

[Darthe]

Mechanically locked.

 

Adieu mafia.  

 

  On 4/7/2014 at 5:45 AM, Turin Turambar said:

 

  On 4/7/2014 at 5:27 AM, Darthe said:

 

  On 4/7/2014 at 5:24 AM, Despothera said:

 

  On 4/7/2014 at 5:18 AM, Darthe said:

Okay, so everyone has holes but play has been really good for a couple of groups and a couple have PR's or actions that make it extremely unlikely that they were mafia.  That's not optimal (we have no truly cleared teams) but I think it is manageable.  Also, I happen to agree with cory that he was likely the one viewed. PFG, them and us were my three picks.

 

So.... what's your role/ability that can clear you? And you're saying you can't do it today?

 

If it's Governor... I dunno bout this Steve. Seems like just using it earlier would have confirmed yall and made today easier. Plus, since Governor is the perfect complementary town role to match up against Executor... it would seem to be a bit convenient.

 

 

I threatened to target Ithi/Turin last night but wasn't about to throw us down a well when we could confirm ourselves with our ability and especially not just because I was frustrated.  I still am getting bad vibes from them but it is apparently not something I can logically explain well.

 

That makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. why would you use your 1x Gladiator ability at Night? what if we were the NK? It would be wasted. What other ability did you want to use on us at night?

 

 

You two really do not do this well.  Gladiator is a day only ability.  I threatened last night to target you when the morning came.    If you or I was NK'd it obviously wouldn't have happened, however your entire line of questioning here is fake.  Looks like I finally found a way to get under this teams skin.  

 

 

Again I say adieu scummers.  You played well.

[Darthe]

Well, I feel good.  I am going to go sleep now and bid you all a goodnight.  

 

#trumpcard

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/7/2014 at 5:28 AM, Darthe said:

 

  On 4/7/2014 at 5:26 AM, Despothera said:

 

  On 4/7/2014 at 5:23 AM, Darthe said:

Just got poked by the mod.  Our ability is still a go because it isn't halfway through this day despite how long it has felt.  In an unrelated note he seems to disapprove of me being gone for nearly an entire day #salamiproblems

 

I can't decide if I should consult with cloud or be gung ho and risk his annoyance.  

 

 

 

Forgiveness it is =p

 

We are a gladiator.  

 

Use the role if it can help semi-clear you.

 

(fyi, being a Gladiatory wouldn't confirm your alignment as scum Gladiators exist, however the manner in which you're doing so would make you far less likely to be scum).

 

Also kind of hilarious that we were talking about Thunderdoming with a Gladiator BAHAHAHA!!!!!

 

 

 

I thought it was pretty funny.  In regards to the role it actually does full claim us unless you can think of a way to ever have a mafia member that is simultaneously a gladiator and executioner?  That would only be in a salami homebrew role which he already stated won't be in the game.  

 

mafia JOAT perhaps? You stating this like it is an impossibility makes me very wary.  No way that Salami puts a self vetting role into this game.  

 

##vote Clarthe

[hazelkrs1]

##Vote Sexy Sistahs

[hazelkrs1]

  On 4/7/2014 at 5:44 AM, Darthe said:

##Sexy Sisters

 

@ yet another vote format fail

 

Pretty sure you gotta put "vote" after the hashtags, and pretty sure you told us you were reminded by the mod about this earlier in the game

 

 

  On 4/7/2014 at 5:45 AM, Turin Turambar said:

 

  On 4/7/2014 at 5:27 AM, Darthe said:

 

I threatened to target Ithi/Turin last night but wasn't about to throw us down a well when we could confirm ourselves with our ability and especially not just because I was frustrated.  I still am getting bad vibes from them but it is apparently not something I can logically explain well.

 

That makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. why would you use your 1x Gladiator ability at Night? what if we were the NK? It would be wasted. What other ability did you want to use on us at night?

 

 

  On 4/7/2014 at 5:52 AM, Turin Turambar said:

 

  On 4/7/2014 at 5:28 AM, Darthe said:

 

I thought it was pretty funny.  In regards to the role it actually does full claim us unless you can think of a way to ever have a mafia member that is simultaneously a gladiator and executioner?  That would only be in a salami homebrew role which he already stated won't be in the game.  

 

mafia JOAT perhaps? You stating this like it is an impossibility makes me very wary.  No way that Salami puts a self vetting role into this game.  

 

##vote Clarthe

 

 

[hazelkrs1]

  On 4/7/2014 at 5:52 AM, Turin Turambar said:

mafia JOAT perhaps? You stating this like it is an impossibility makes me very wary.  No way that Salami puts a self vetting role into this game. 

 

Bolded is sooooooooooooooo bad. Yikes.

 

1. That's gaming the mod

2. Many roles can vet themselves- i.e. "self vetting role", so you're essentially stating "No way that Salami puts a role into this game"

3. Vetting a role doesn't mean vetting alignment

4. Which means... in your scenario Clarthe wouldn't have a "self vetting role", since if Clarthe is a JOAT with Execute/Gladiate abilities, he wouldn't have vetted himself, would he?

5. The manner in which Clarthe proposed and used this ability is EXTREMELY protown. There wasn't a ton of heat on them, and Darthe knew that using the ability would help make the situation much easier for town to contemplate and decide on

6. Innocent child? This is kinda linked to point #1, that you're gaming the mod.. but yeah Salami just ran a game with an IC not too long ago. You really think he'd NEVER in a million years put in a role that can vet itself in some way into this game? Do you seriously believe that?

7. Think about this for a sec. Assuming Clarthe wins the Thunderdome, if SS flips VT, what do you think happens next? As I said before, best thing would be to lynch SS, if game aint over have RTL shoot Clarthe, if game aint over or RTL shoots elsewhere, then they're third party Hunter that can Execute.

 

In other words, there's no situation in which Clarthe could win at this point if they were scum. Ergo, them coming forward NOW to exhibit their ability makes them almost 100% town. No way Clarthe doesn't save this for another time if they're scum. Would be 1000000000 times smarter to use when everyone forgets how few suspects are left or when there's more heat on Clarthe.

 

I'd also like to point out there aren't many situations where a Gladiator being scum makes sense. I pointed this out before because the Spider Country game was still fresh in my mind and I had mistakenly remembered the scum teams having Gladiators in there, but no all the Gladiators in that game were masons and town.

 

Forcing a lynch between someone else and yourself aint exactly a very good ability to use as scum. If I rolled a scum Gladiator, I'd either holster all game or activate early to make myself look town. Activating at this point as scum makes no sense.

[csarmi]

Your gracious mods would like to see a long and bloody fight in the arena.

[hazelkrs1]

##Unvote Sexy Sistahs

 

Let's see em show us why Clarthe is scum. Heck, AVM aint even checked in yet. And Leelou asked me for help, so this is me giving it

 

[hazelkrs1]

  On 4/7/2014 at 7:54 AM, csarmi said:

Your gracious mods would like to see a long and bloody fight in the arena.

 

 

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[hazelkrs1]

2200 posts aint enough yall

 

[Xthrax]

Um, what is a gladiator?

[hazelkrs1]

  On 4/7/2014 at 9:50 AM, Xthrax said:

Um, what is a gladiator?

 

Here, let me help you do what you could have easily done yourself

 

(here's the non sarcastic link, altho really you prob could have figured this out by all the context clues, like for instance when Darthe said "Gladiate SS" and then Csarmi posted an update that said only those two {Clarthe and SS} could be voted for)

[Xthrax]

  On 4/7/2014 at 2:07 AM, Turin Turambar said:

I would say that is a possibility. Perhaps even the simplest to explain. Something has been bothering me about the lynch however. In the few games I remember there being an executioner when the ability was used it was made clear in the EOD scene and vote count the the player had been executed iirc. I was wondering if instead it might be a different ability. like part of a mafia JOAT. That reduced the lynch number by X (in this case i would guess two but had to be activated). On D1 did Jack or anyone other than Straw Hats get to L-2? I'm not sure and probably won't have time to look tonight. It could have also been an ability that ended day phase with the highest vote getter being lynched. That would be even less likely to me tho because it would be changing the lynch rules set out by the MOD.

 

The current simplest solution to the game is that SS are mafia and that Leelou hasn't had the time to attempt to defend properly due to RL so is going in effect no lo contendre in hopes it makes enough people doubt that mafia would try that. 

 

I am off tomorrow so may have more time to tunnel on Despo see what the best course of action is. 

I'm not sure about a mafia JOAT. For one thing I feel that's too powerful. Secondly that would be like throwing caution to the wind and I don't think that could happen. I have seen a couple of times how a quite some amount of players piled on to someone to get game started or to get reactions. If in this case that would happen, it would be a loss to town even for the well meaning players who were trying to get the game going.

 

To me that's seems not quite balanced and just hoping that it wouldn't luckily happen.

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 5:59 PM, Tommyrod said:

For RTE and Lenlo, I think you guys got too confident in your claim and didn't think you could be questioned or doubted, and it made you sound like scum who were backed into a corner and couldn't find another avenue to go down. Try not to do that next time, bros. It spooked me.

Agreed

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 5:05 PM, Tommyrod said:

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:36 PM, Ithillian said:

Leelou was miscleared.

 

PFG could have sent through the kill on the team.

 

 

The walk away could have been mafia bravado.

 

...yeah, that's right, isn't it. The block doesn't matter if PFG made the kill last night.

 

Can't believe I didn't realize that.

 

Okay, we have a mystery, I'll have to see how strong the aggression from the dead scum toward Leelou was. It looked pretty strong when I was scanning yesterday... 

 

But how could that happen? Don't all actions happen together? That is the kill and all other actions. And since PFG was killed last night, how could she sent in the kill if she was killed? Wouldn't that then negate the kill or something? 

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:11 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:08 PM, Hallia said:

I dunno, sometimes it's ok to CC D1, depending on the role, and how big a game it is.  A game this small, taking one of the mafia out D1 is pretty good, it leaves them pretty hurt.  But I think that's personal preference.

 

 

I still think he's mafia though.

Yes. You think you're right.

 

Answer the questions.

 

Do you think they killed PFG?

Do you think they would have killed a member of their own team?

 

What would be the benefit of that? Why would they knowingly probably halve their remaining players?

 

Dear me. Step outside of the box. 3rd party at most. Who's the Mafia?

 

Please answer the above and don't just say - yeah but I think their Mafia.

 

There are 2 ways to think about this. 

 

Like I also said they could be a third part SK who killed a mafia and trying to coast on that as town.

 

Another scenario is that they were lying, and someone who is yet to reveal has killed PFG. Like they said it could be someone still waiting to draw the game out. 

 

One question, if there is a CPR doctor will they be told about that fact? Cause that could easily have happened in a scenario like this. A doctor not really knowing himself, protects PFG-they weren't attacked last night and thus killed.

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:06 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 7:47 AM, Xthrax said:

And finally, if you were actually town, when someone claimed your role-you would have definitely CC'ed to help town. Otherwise its completely anti-town and detrimental to town.

 

I agree with Hallia's vote.

This isn't actually true. If someone claims your Role on D1 you probably should try and not counterclaim them - it's giving the Mafia team Roled Targets to go for. Thane got Lynched anyway. When Thane claimed Tracker Len was saying that he wanted him Lynched. I don't think that logically RTL can be mafia - and I'm sorry to burst your bubble. The most they could be is 3rd party.

 

If you're voting them because you think that then fair enough - but who do you think is the probable last remaining mafia.

 

I'll admit that I'm not sure. If you asked me this last night, I would have said SS-thats why we agreed upon blocking SS. This why I don't think that they could be mafia. Since we blocked them and the kill went through, and it seems likely that there would be just 3 mafia it mostly could not have been them. 

[Xthrax]

  On 4/7/2014 at 10:04 AM, Despothera said:

 

  On 4/7/2014 at 9:50 AM, Xthrax said:

Um, what is a gladiator?

 

Here, let me help you do what you could have easily done yourself

 

(here's the non sarcastic link, altho really you prob could have figured this out by all the context clues, like for instance when Darthe said "Gladiate SS" and then Csarmi posted an update that said only those two {Clarthe and SS} could be voted for)

 

 

Well I haven't read anywhere about this role before and haven't seen it happen. And when that happened, I didn't understand what was going on-so thats why I asked.

[Xthrax]

And thanks