[Advanced/Experimental] Mass Effect I - Hydra Game - Game Over

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:27 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:26 PM, Tommyrod said:

I keep asking this and would like an answer, I don't know why RTE refused to do it... is there anything from in-thread play that means RTL is never scum/scum with the dead teams?

I don't know what you mean.

 

OK - Turin explained what you mean. I don't think they did anything but pop up her and there to do not very much, but does it matter? Do you think they did the kill and if so would they have killed one of their own.

 

Why are you chasing that?

[Hallia]

Sha, that's actually a really really good point that Turin made. =o

[Tommyrod]

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:30 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:27 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:26 PM, Tommyrod said:

I keep asking this and would like an answer, I don't know why RTE refused to do it... is there anything from in-thread play that means RTL is never scum/scum with the dead teams?

I don't know what you mean.

 

OK - Turin explained what you mean. I don't think they did anything but pop up her and there to do not very much, but does it matter? Do you think they did the kill and if so would they have killed one of their own.

 

Why are you chasing that?

 

 

Because they're my top suspect and I'll be annoyed if I get talked out of the correct move due to some kind of role shenanigans last night. It's not like that's never happened in a mafia game. I want to know if there's MORE evidence that they are town, some reasonable doubt so I can write them off and worry about who has been miscleared so far.

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:30 PM, Tommyrod said:

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:27 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:26 PM, Tommyrod said:

I keep asking this and would like an answer, I don't know why RTE refused to do it... is there anything from in-thread play that means RTL is never scum/scum with the dead teams?

I don't know what you mean.

 

When the only thing that makes someone town is a role claim, I'm insanely skeptical. Yes, they could be town. But have the dead scum gone after them or done anything that looks like a genuine attempt to get them lynched or put suspicion on them? What I saw was dead scum mentioning them as scummy in passing but not going after them. If I'm wrong and the dead scum DID go after them, I'd like someone to tell me so I can move on to another suspect.

 

You might be better off seeing if they were after PFG ... and then when that didn't work they shot PFG.

 

but not guaranteed Town of course - 3rd party can hunt for mafia just like Town. But they were on Thane's Lynch and were voting for PFG when the forced Lynch went through.

 

I don't think they should be lynched today.

[Tommyrod]

Good call on the PFG thing, I'll look into that later. So sleepy.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Leelou was miscleared.

 

PFG could have sent through the kill on the team.

 

 

The walk away could have been mafia bravado.

[Turin Turambar]

then look it up. the names to look for are amegakure, thane vakarian, bfg, pralaya.

 

Until someone comes forward to say that they redirected the shot that killed PFG I can't see RTL as mafia. 

 

RTL was voting mafia both days so that is in their favor. 

[Hallia]

It is odd that she hasn't come in with...well...anything...

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:38 PM, Hallia said:

It is odd that she hasn't come in with...well...anything...

Not really - as most people were thinking that you blocking her cleared her. If she was Mafia she would do well to just go along with that and hope that no-one notices.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Of course the other option is that PFG used the back up Jail Keeper role on Leelou. PFG got killed in the night. The probably final Mafia Team memember thought, 'bugger - I'm all on my own. How can I possibly ride it out till end game? I know - I'll white knight leelou and stop her from getting Lynched and then coast on the major towny cred and win'.

 

 

Which would make Hallia Mafia.

 

[Hallia]

Pretty sure that's the least likely scenario. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

As likely as mafia killing one of their own?

[Lenlo]

  On 4/6/2014 at 3:53 PM, Xthrax said:

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 2:10 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 7:47 AM, Xthrax said:

 

 

 

And even if you killed scum last night, I don't mostly believe you as town. Like Des said, you could be an SK trying to coast on that kill.

And finally, if you were actually town, when someone claimed your role-you would have definitely CC'ed to help town. Otherwise its completely anti-town and detrimental to town.

 

I agree with Hallia's vote.

 

You dont seem to understand the pros and cons of CCing. If he was going to be lynched regardless of if we CCed or not then there was no reason for us to out ourselves. If we CCed then the scumwould have had an easy shot that night on who to kill and it is actually widely accepted here to NOT CC unless there is no other option. Its not anti town to not CC someone on D1 because alot of the time its worth the life of one scum to get rid of the town cop/informative role.

 

The entire case imo while a good effort on your part shows your inexperience in these kind of situations.

 

That's there but there are 2 sides to every coin. You have to think what would happen if they managed to escape if town thought they might not be lying or if they made their role indispensible. What would you have done then? It could have then resulted in someone innocent being killed and thus giving mafia an advantage.

 

If they didnt get lynched then we wait afew days, use our role to the fullest with no fear of being NKed cause of playing semi scummy and then CC them near LyLo ofc. Waiting that long lets us see who they fake tracked each night and would give us plenty of info. CCing someone on D1 is, imo, a horrible idea and not something you should ever do as a town tracker/cop/informative role or Doc.

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:03 PM, Turin Turambar said:

 

 

Len, how can you call yourself a vig if despo is still alive?

 

 

Look the temptation was there, it really was, but with only 12 spots I didn't want to put the game in jeopardy for the gag. I might still have the chance to vig them though so its not to late.

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:08 PM, Hallia said:

I dunno, sometimes it's ok to CC D1, depending on the role, and how big a game it is.  A game this small, taking one of the mafia out D1 is pretty good, it leaves them pretty hurt.  But I think that's personal preference.

 

 

I still think he's mafia though.

I still say your wrong. <3

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:24 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Pral could have put in the kill. His death would not prevent it going thru.

Mhmmm.

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:26 PM, Tommyrod said:

I keep asking this and would like an answer, I don't know why RTE refused to do it... is there anything from in-thread play that means RTL is never scum/scum with the dead teams? 

Try reading the thread plox?

 

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:47 PM, Hallia said:

Pretty sure that's the least likely scenario. 

Only from your point of view. Its more likely than me/RTE being scum who shot our own team I can tell you that much.

[Tommyrod]

  On 4/6/2014 at 4:36 PM, Ithillian said:

Leelou was miscleared.

 

PFG could have sent through the kill on the team.

 

 

The walk away could have been mafia bravado.

 

...yeah, that's right, isn't it. The block doesn't matter if PFG made the kill last night.

 

Can't believe I didn't realize that.

 

Okay, we have a mystery, I'll have to see how strong the aggression from the dead scum toward Leelou was. It looked pretty strong when I was scanning yesterday... 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Turin is ridiculously clever.

[Tommyrod]

Alright, let's not lynch RTL or HaXorz today.

So I need to look at SS from start to finish, which sounds really annoying and arduous. 

Why did you guys say so much and accomplish so little?!

[Lenlo]

  On 4/6/2014 at 5:17 PM, Tommyrod said:

Alright, let's not lynch RTL or HaXorz today.

So I need to look at SS from start to finish, which sounds really annoying and arduous. 

 

Why did you guys say so much and accomplish so little?!

We accomplished plenty! We killed 2/3rds of the scum team before you came along thank you very much!

[Hallia]

^ I agree with Len there.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I'm a bit of a spammer who occasionally plays mafia.

[Lenlo]

Im a sarcastic smartallic who is sometimes forced to play mafia by the other players.

 

So what we learned today is that RTE may infact be right about SS? 

[Tommyrod]

The vote counts don't tell us much apart from the execution of the cop.

 

Vote Count - 1.14

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

Straw Hats (5) - Clarthe, HaXorz, WIFUM, SexySisters, RTL

Sexy Sisters (1) - Strawhats

Evil Siblings (3) - YoloHashSwag, Spliffanity, CRUNK

CRUNK (1) - Evil Siblings

WiFuM (1) - PFG

not voting : JTAG

 

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Vote Count - 1.15

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

Straw Hats (7) - Clarthe, HaXorz, WIFUM, SexySisters, RTL, PFG, Evil Siblings

Sexy Sisters (1) - Strawhats

Evil Siblings (3) - YoloHashSwag, Spliffanity, CRUNK

not voting : J-TAG

 

That's a lynch. Scene incoming.

 

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Votecount 2.07

 

J-TAG (4) - Sexy Sisters, Clarthe, YoloHashSwag, HaXorz

PFG (2) - CRUNK, RTL

YoloHashSWag (3) - PFG, J-TAG, WiFuM

 

Not voting: Spliffanity

 

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Votecount 2.08

 

J-TAG (4) - Sexy Sisters, Clarthe, YoloHashSwag, HaXorz

PFG (2) - CRUNK, RTL

YoloHashSWag (3) - PFG, J-TAG, WiFuM

 

Not voting: Spliffanity

 

That's a lynch. Scene incoming.

 

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Darthe, on 04 Apr 2014 - 01:35 AM, said:

Thats an exxecutor I think. Now that we know he was cop what does this mean for PFchanG? Who was his read and who can we confirm wasnt?

 

 

This is probably an important moment; BFG didn't have the execution thing, right? So whomever did it was probably staying the hell out of the thread during the time the claiming was going down to avoid being a suspect. Who fits that profile?

[Tommyrod]

Verbal32, on 04 Apr 2014 - 09:15 AM, said:

Ok, peeps.  This is how this needs to go down.

 

One of the teams (at a minimum) on that train is prob scum to ensure we reached the halfway point before J-Tag revealed their town result.  We lynch them all.  If you want to start with Des and I, fine.  I still think PFG is scum, and they are my top pick.

 

 

Yolo

SS

Clarthe

Hax

 

All on the train.  I personally don't think there is more than 1 scum in here, so from my POV that is either SS, Clarthe, or Hax.  If I had to choose, I'd prob choose SS - Leelou has been defending me all game, and she likes to do that as scum.  I read her well, but her internet problems haven't given me the opportunity, and my game life is probably numbered now, so I can't.

 

Des and I have had arguments & interactions with most of the game - it is not a poor play to simply lynch us tomorrow.  I have no problem admitting that.

 

 

Honorary mention to the super clean game both Cloud and Darthe have played, while both being less active than normal....which helps play clean.  Of that train, my ranking is:

 

1. SS

2. Clarthe

3. Hax

 

Good luck.

 

 

Leelou, on 04 Apr 2014 - 09:24 AM, said:

I defend you all game as either alignment. Nice try. 

Answer: Leelou! Only comment surrounding that event is a defensive stab 8 hours later.

[Tommyrod]

The Sexy Sisters were 4th on the Straw Hats wagon? I gotta see how that went down. 

[Tommyrod]

  On 3/30/2014 at 6:12 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Ok so I went through the thread twice thinking there were more read lists, but only 2. Let's see what we have here.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:34 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Personal thoughts so far:

 

WiFuM (Ithi, Turin) and YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal): had the feeling something was going on between the two of them. Their little struggle ceased (for the moment) and now there's interaction between WiFum and Evil Siblings. Most active hydra around, questioning, probing, getting information.

 

YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal) expect to see more when the weekend is done. Interesting posts to read.

J-TAG (AJ, TG): not enough to form an opinion, null read.

PFG (Pralaya, BFG): Not a huge amount of posts, but the ones i read seem to be well thought of.

Release the Leno (RTE, Lenlo) lots of fun and games, but i'd like to have some real input for once. Backing Amega in the vote against them

Sexy Sisters (Tina, Leelou) Uncommented votes, absence? Not feeling too great about them. Waiting for a train to pass and jump on?

CRUNK (Monk, CoryCurren) not around, and if, then unserious posting, lurking in the shadows? Didn't have a good explanation from them on their vote. Might as well be waiting on the same train.

Spliffanity (Krak, Dap) not around enough to form an opinion, null read

Clarthe (Cloud, Darthe) Little drama in the beginning of the game, then things calmed down. Maybe also because of the weekend.

Evil Siblings (Lily, Jack) Had a little thing going on between them and myself. Gett he feeling it was more probing and questioning than anything else. Questioning, after all, is good.

 

Straw Hats (Amega, Thane) I'm not going to comment on my own hydra. Yes, you are. NO, i'm NOT! *drowns inner voices in belgian beer*

HaXorz (Hally, Xthrax) going for an easy lynch when voting against us i think.

 

So basically, Straw Hats think:

 

Town:

 

StawHats

PFG

 

Scum:

 

RTL

HaXorz

 

Null:

 

JTAG

Spliffanity

 

This is it. The rest are basically null reads as well, or he refrains from making any firm alignment-based comments on.

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 6:34 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Random thoughts on teams so far...

 

#swag:(verb/Des); verb reacted a bit much to my vote being the second on him. he was even kinda snippy at the MOD about the voting rules there. trying to flip it back on me is bogus. Despo has been talking a bunch of mess so far so without anything to aleviate the bad I am putting them in the mafia stack.

 

J-TAG(AJ/TG): been fairly quiet in a loud way. hope they bring some actual content soon.

 

PFG (Pral/BFG): All Fluff. Expect more soon. 

 

RTL (RTE/Lenlo): Lenlo being very mormal jokey self. RTE comments are a little pingy. starting with the game spec just before day started and ending with his reactions to Ithi questioning his nudge. Ithi thinks is likely mafia so I can agree, even if I rather vote Verb/Des ATM

 

SS (Tina/Leelou) : the vote back and forth between #swag and clarthe was odd. As is the fact that Leelou basically is not giving any reasons for her votes. People that don't want to give reasons have a reason for that. It makes it easier to backtrack from a position that was never really stated. Her defense of Verb/Des was completely for non-game reasons "they are so cute". It is basically a non-reason which seems to be a trend. Leaning mafia here ATM.

 

Crunk (Cory/Monk): Cory is following his #alliance theme that he used as 3rd party in the star wars game. Basically having given his vote to his buddies V/D. Bad look to me. Monk has been quiet for the most part only really engaging in saying hello to Lily that I recall. I expect more from someone calling themselves GOAT.(maybe it is in lurking)

 

Spliffanity (Krak/Dap): Don't really remember very much about them except they picked the wrong name, LOL. Oh, they were in the cloud pile on too. Did they vote Clarthe?

 

Clarthe (Darthe/CLoud): Darhte says Lily is mafia in his first post, never votes her. Also says verb is obvtown. rubbish. Has overridden Cloud's #swag vote to vote RTL.   Cloud has caught a bunch of heat for asking for a reason from Leelou for her vote on them. Lots of people taking that opportunity to pile on him. Seems more an issue of why Leelou not want to explain her reason for voting. If is no reason or was for reaction then say so and let people judge it for what it is worth. I do find it ironic that CLoud chose to call me frantic when that is a word that most would be applying to him for the way he is about Leelou. Personally I didn't see it that way which makes it perhaps even more ironic.

 

Evil Sibs (Jack/Lily) placeholder vote of #11 by Jack after Lily telegraphed it during night. Lily had something odd but I will need to go back and check. Jack playing very much like I just saw him in the hunger games? game I think. He did nudge very professionally tho so I will defer to Ithi's judgement there. 

 

Straw Hats (Amega/Thane) Amega pre voted #swag during night but never followed up with it. In fact he asked me a question about wether I really think they are mafia or if I was just brash. (the answer is both, lol) the double nudge post from Thane has me thinking that they could well be mafia and on a team with verb/des. bears very much further watching.

 

HaXorz (Hallia/X) : Not enough to go on. maybe once X gets back and if Hallia does get more involved. 

 

Mafia to town

Verb/Des

Tina/Leelou

Amega/Thane

RTE/Lenlo

Cory/Monk

Krak/Dap

Jack/Lily

AJ/TG

CLoud/Darthe

Hallia/X

BFG/Pral

Ithi/Turin

 

Town:

Himself with Ithi

 

Scum:

 

#Swag

RTL

SS

StrawHats

 

Null:

 

The rest?

 

So I was hoping to see a pattern here (and thought there was at least a third reads list, but not much of one. These will be interesting if we get a flip on either team though. While Turin refrains from saying he thinks anyone is town outright, he does provide the scum to town list.

 

Of the two lists, I do find Thane's less informative and much more fence-sitting in the language he is using. Also says he doesn't want to speak for Amega in an attempt to not further elaborate? As of yet hasn't answered Ithi's request to rank teams based on scummyness. I would be interested to see his list as his reads seem indecisive. Turin has less town reads it seems but looks confident about his scum reads. Problem is a lot of people haven't made enough game-content posts to make much of them, so can't really make too much of the numerous null reads.

 

So now I'll try to make a reads list, hopefully better than some of my recent ones, although this game has been a bit all over the place and gameplay has been interrupted quite a bit more than usual IMO.

 

WiFuM (Ithi, Turin) - Very, very aggressive. Ithi is on her game while Turin is still on his "new meta". Seems he lets Ithi be Churchill the bulldog and he's more like.. France? Interesting dynamic between the two of them in terms of types of posting. Turin deferring to Ithi in some instances and if I had to guess she would be the one wearing the pants in this hydra. Ithi  playing her normal unforgiving game. Solid town read right now. Problem is if any team can have as solid a scum game as town game I would pick them with Despo/Verbal second. But right now I'm definitely going with Town.

 

YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal) - A bit quiet as of late, which between the two of them is very odd. Not really making a splash yet really, which I really find bizarre given the two of them. Weekend has killed most activity but these two are usually fairly more vocal and strong with their convictions. So far looks town to me but not very sure about them. Both of them will likely give us a lot more to work with come tomorrow.

 

J-TAG (AJ, TG) - AJ has been pretty quiet and TG, while relatively active, hasn't given much of substance. Null read here.

 

PFG (Pralaya, BFG) - BFG is much quieter this game than in a recent one. I'll attribute it to the weekend but if it doesn't change I'll look here. Pral is usually more in the fray of things too but again pretty absent. Going with a null read here thus far but this is a hydra to watch.

 

Release the Leno (RTE, Lenlo) - RTL are (is?) town.

 

Sexy Sisters (Tina, Leelou) - Feels like the ladies are buying time after some not so pretty play. I feel like the strategy here is "If we don't post long enough people will forget the things we did that look really scummy". Not fond of the voting then poofing. Scum lean on these two. Should expect a lot more from these two and so far they've been holding out. Their next posts will be very telling.

 

CRUNK (Monk, CoryCurren) - These two confuse the hell out of me personally. Haven't played with either of them and can't make much of their posts. Don't remember anything  meaningful about their game thus far. Their bark is much bigger than their bite right now and if they are as great as they claim to be they need to put their money where their mouths are. Null read.

 

Spliffanity (Krak, Dap) - Really oddly quiet given who these two people are. Come back to the light guys. Null. Really need to hear more from these  guys.

 

Clarthe (Cloud, Darthe) - I have trouble reading Cloud because Cloud plays a very reactive game. Caught a lot of flak for how he reacted to the vote against him but that is his usual attitude. That being said, he hasn't looked great since either. Darthe is Darthe. What you see is what you get. And that isn't much at all. Scum lean right now.

 

Evil Siblings (Lily, Jack) - Lily is another one I struggle with. She didn't react great to Ithi pressure but I wouldn't have reacted very differently to be honest. Not sure what to make of Jack. Supposed to be some mafia pro but haven't really seen it yet. If anything I think the interaction with Ithi and Turin makes Lily town. She was frustrated rather than angry, and that's understandable when you're town with Ithi breathing down your neck. I'm going with a town read.

 

Straw Hats (Amega, Thane) - Haven't liked Amega's play really thus far. Not a lot of content behind his posts or his votes. Thane has given us a lot more to work with. His list is a little less decisive than I would have liked but it's tough with activity being what it is the last couple of days. His somewhat exclusive town lean on

 

PFG is interesting. Something to bear in mind if we get a flip on either of them. Only other hydra other than their own they seemed to believe was town. Going with a null read right now.

 

HaXorz (Hally, Xthrax) - I trusted Hallia too much last game and won't make the same mistake. She has been playing as usual but I don't like the absences. I agree with Thane that her vote was a fairly easy one. Eager to have X back and see what he has to say. And for Hallia to get back in here.

 

Scum to Town

 

SS

Clarthe

#YOLO

Haxorz

J-Tag

PFG

Crunk

Spliffanity

Strawhats

EvilSiblings

WiFum

RTL

 

Latest Vote Count:

 

Vote Count - 1.04

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

CRUNK (1) - YoloHashSwag

YoloHashSwag (3) - Clarthe, WiFuM, J-TAG

Clarthe (3) - Spliffanity, Sexy Sisters, Evil Siblings

Evil Siblings (1) - Straw Hats

J-TAG (1) - RTL

 

not voting : PFG, HaXorz, CRUNK

 

I feel like a lot of these votes here have still been rather "easy" votes. Which is a bit worrisome as we approach deadline. We still have time though and most importantly a lot more time for people to come in and give their reads and support their votes.

 

##Vote SexySisters

 

Edit: Formatting

 

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 7:34 PM, TinaHel said:

Leelou has problem getting on. Her internet isn´t working all the time. 

 

We had a short talk earlier. Our reads doesn´t match very good. Leelou´s vote on Wifom was based on Des´s case since she agreed with him. 

 

I´m very unsure about Wifum. Turin´s "case" on Verbal was very Des like. Taking anything and making up a case around it. And then never letting it go. It´s clear that Ithi and Turin misunderstood Lily but if it was on purpose or not I don´t know. That is the scummy parts. At the same time, Ithi is behaving like town Ithi. Not that I remember playing with mafia Ithi in a very long time but this is how she played in Darthe´s game. I thought that she might on to something with Straw Hats and Evil Siblings but... so yeh, can´t say town or mafia. 

 

I´m not fond of Straw Hat´s game. In short - following others, ,fencesitting, the Hally/Lily mix up. 

 

Actually, I find this hydra thing very hard. Not just because Leelou and I have different reads and that we haven´t been able to communicate much due to internet problems, but also because I can get different feelings from the different hydra heads. 

 

For now. 

 

 

## Vote Straw Hats

 

 

I´ll see what Leelou has to say when she gets back on. She is clearly the better player so I rely on her reads. 

 

So RTE makes an extremely elaborate (and seemingly well reasoned) analysis of the game and gets momentum going on the SH and then Tina kind of flip-flops into a vote on the SH "for now." Her post and vote seem really bus-y to me. 

[Tommyrod]

  On 3/30/2014 at 7:35 PM, Darthe said:

 

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  On 3/30/2014 at 6:12 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Ok so I went through the thread twice thinking there were more read lists, but only 2. Let's see what we have here.

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:34 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Personal thoughts so far:

 

WiFuM (Ithi, Turin) and YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal): had the feeling something was going on between the two of them. Their little struggle ceased (for the moment) and now there's interaction between WiFum and Evil Siblings. Most active hydra around, questioning, probing, getting information.

 

YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal) expect to see more when the weekend is done. Interesting posts to read.

J-TAG (AJ, TG): not enough to form an opinion, null read.

PFG (Pralaya, BFG): Not a huge amount of posts, but the ones i read seem to be well thought of.

Release the Leno (RTE, Lenlo) lots of fun and games, but i'd like to have some real input for once. Backing Amega in the vote against them

Sexy Sisters (Tina, Leelou) Uncommented votes, absence? Not feeling too great about them. Waiting for a train to pass and jump on?

CRUNK (Monk, CoryCurren) not around, and if, then unserious posting, lurking in the shadows? Didn't have a good explanation from them on their vote. Might as well be waiting on the same train.

Spliffanity (Krak, Dap) not around enough to form an opinion, null read

Clarthe (Cloud, Darthe) Little drama in the beginning of the game, then things calmed down. Maybe also because of the weekend.

Evil Siblings (Lily, Jack) Had a little thing going on between them and myself. Gett he feeling it was more probing and questioning than anything else. Questioning, after all, is good.

 

Straw Hats (Amega, Thane) I'm not going to comment on my own hydra. Yes, you are. NO, i'm NOT! *drowns inner voices in belgian beer*

HaXorz (Hally, Xthrax) going for an easy lynch when voting against us i think.

 

So basically, Straw Hats think:

 

Town:

 

StawHats

PFG

 

Scum:

 

RTL

HaXorz

 

Null:

 

JTAG

Spliffanity

 

This is it. The rest are basically null reads as well, or he refrains from making any firm alignment-based comments on.

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 6:34 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Random thoughts on teams so far...

 

#swag:(verb/Des); verb reacted a bit much to my vote being the second on him. he was even kinda snippy at the MOD about the voting rules there. trying to flip it back on me is bogus. Despo has been talking a bunch of mess so far so without anything to aleviate the bad I am putting them in the mafia stack.

 

J-TAG(AJ/TG): been fairly quiet in a loud way. hope they bring some actual content soon.

 

PFG (Pral/BFG): All Fluff. Expect more soon. 

 

RTL (RTE/Lenlo): Lenlo being very mormal jokey self. RTE comments are a little pingy. starting with the game spec just before day started and ending with his reactions to Ithi questioning his nudge. Ithi thinks is likely mafia so I can agree, even if I rather vote Verb/Des ATM

 

SS (Tina/Leelou) : the vote back and forth between #swag and clarthe was odd. As is the fact that Leelou basically is not giving any reasons for her votes. People that don't want to give reasons have a reason for that. It makes it easier to backtrack from a position that was never really stated. Her defense of Verb/Des was completely for non-game reasons "they are so cute". It is basically a non-reason which seems to be a trend. Leaning mafia here ATM.

 

Crunk (Cory/Monk): Cory is following his #alliance theme that he used as 3rd party in the star wars game. Basically having given his vote to his buddies V/D. Bad look to me. Monk has been quiet for the most part only really engaging in saying hello to Lily that I recall. I expect more from someone calling themselves GOAT.(maybe it is in lurking)

 

Spliffanity (Krak/Dap): Don't really remember very much about them except they picked the wrong name, LOL. Oh, they were in the cloud pile on too. Did they vote Clarthe?

 

Clarthe (Darthe/CLoud): Darhte says Lily is mafia in his first post, never votes her. Also says verb is obvtown. rubbish. Has overridden Cloud's #swag vote to vote RTL.   Cloud has caught a bunch of heat for asking for a reason from Leelou for her vote on them. Lots of people taking that opportunity to pile on him. Seems more an issue of why Leelou not want to explain her reason for voting. If is no reason or was for reaction then say so and let people judge it for what it is worth. I do find it ironic that CLoud chose to call me frantic when that is a word that most would be applying to him for the way he is about Leelou. Personally I didn't see it that way which makes it perhaps even more ironic.

 

Evil Sibs (Jack/Lily) placeholder vote of #11 by Jack after Lily telegraphed it during night. Lily had something odd but I will need to go back and check. Jack playing very much like I just saw him in the hunger games? game I think. He did nudge very professionally tho so I will defer to Ithi's judgement there. 

 

Straw Hats (Amega/Thane) Amega pre voted #swag during night but never followed up with it. In fact he asked me a question about wether I really think they are mafia or if I was just brash. (the answer is both, lol) the double nudge post from Thane has me thinking that they could well be mafia and on a team with verb/des. bears very much further watching.

 

HaXorz (Hallia/X) : Not enough to go on. maybe once X gets back and if Hallia does get more involved. 

 

Mafia to town

Verb/Des

Tina/Leelou

Amega/Thane

RTE/Lenlo

Cory/Monk

Krak/Dap

Jack/Lily

AJ/TG

CLoud/Darthe

Hallia/X

BFG/Pral

Ithi/Turin

 

Town:

Himself with Ithi

 

Scum:

 

#Swag

RTL

SS

StrawHats

 

Null:

 

The rest?

 

So I was hoping to see a pattern here (and thought there was at least a third reads list, but not much of one. These will be interesting if we get a flip on either team though. While Turin refrains from saying he thinks anyone is town outright, he does provide the scum to town list.

 

Of the two lists, I do find Thane's less informative and much more fence-sitting in the language he is using. Also says he doesn't want to speak for Amega in an attempt to not further elaborate? As of yet hasn't answered Ithi's request to rank teams based on scummyness. I would be interested to see his list as his reads seem indecisive. Turin has less town reads it seems but looks confident about his scum reads. Problem is a lot of people haven't made enough game-content posts to make much of them, so can't really make too much of the numerous null reads.

 

So now I'll try to make a reads list, hopefully better than some of my recent ones, although this game has been a bit all over the place and gameplay has been interrupted quite a bit more than usual IMO.

 

WiFuM (Ithi, Turin) - Very, very aggressive. Ithi is on her game while Turin is still on his "new meta". Seems he lets Ithi be Churchill the bulldog and he's more like.. France? Interesting dynamic between the two of them in terms of types of posting. Turin deferring to Ithi in some instances and if I had to guess she would be the one wearing the pants in this hydra. Ithi  playing her normal unforgiving game. Solid town read right now. Problem is if any team can have as solid a scum game as town game I would pick them with Despo/Verbal second. But right now I'm definitely going with Town.

 

YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal) - A bit quiet as of late, which between the two of them is very odd. Not really making a splash yet really, which I really find bizarre given the two of them. Weekend has killed most activity but these two are usually fairly more vocal and strong with their convictions. So far looks town to me but not very sure about them. Both of them will likely give us a lot more to work with come tomorrow.

 

J-TAG (AJ, TG) - AJ has been pretty quiet and TG, while relatively active, hasn't given much of substance. Null read here.

 

PFG (Pralaya, BFG) - BFG is much quieter this game than in a recent one. I'll attribute it to the weekend but if it doesn't change I'll look here. Pral is usually more in the fray of things too but again pretty absent. Going with a null read here thus far but this is a hydra to watch.

 

Release the Leno (RTE, Lenlo) - RTL are (is?) town.

 

Sexy Sisters (Tina, Leelou) - Feels like the ladies are buying time after some not so pretty play. I feel like the strategy here is "If we don't post long enough people will forget the things we did that look really scummy". Not fond of the voting then poofing. Scum lean on these two. Should expect a lot more from these two and so far they've been holding out. Their next posts will be very telling.

 

CRUNK (Monk, CoryCurren) - These two confuse the hell out of me personally. Haven't played with either of them and can't make much of their posts. Don't remember anything  meaningful about their game thus far. Their bark is much bigger than their bite right now and if they are as great as they claim to be they need to put their money where their mouths are. Null read.

 

Spliffanity (Krak, Dap) - Really oddly quiet given who these two people are. Come back to the light guys. Null. Really need to hear more from these  guys.

 

Clarthe (Cloud, Darthe) - I have trouble reading Cloud because Cloud plays a very reactive game. Caught a lot of flak for how he reacted to the vote against him but that is his usual attitude. That being said, he hasn't looked great since either. Darthe is Darthe. What you see is what you get. And that isn't much at all. Scum lean right now.

 

Evil Siblings (Lily, Jack) - Lily is another one I struggle with. She didn't react great to Ithi pressure but I wouldn't have reacted very differently to be honest. Not sure what to make of Jack. Supposed to be some mafia pro but haven't really seen it yet. If anything I think the interaction with Ithi and Turin makes Lily town. She was frustrated rather than angry, and that's understandable when you're town with Ithi breathing down your neck. I'm going with a town read.

 

Straw Hats (Amega, Thane) - Haven't liked Amega's play really thus far. Not a lot of content behind his posts or his votes. Thane has given us a lot more to work with. His list is a little less decisive than I would have liked but it's tough with activity being what it is the last couple of days. His somewhat exclusive town lean on

 

PFG is interesting. Something to bear in mind if we get a flip on either of them. Only other hydra other than their own they seemed to believe was town. Going with a null read right now.

 

HaXorz (Hally, Xthrax) - I trusted Hallia too much last game and won't make the same mistake. She has been playing as usual but I don't like the absences. I agree with Thane that her vote was a fairly easy one. Eager to have X back and see what he has to say. And for Hallia to get back in here.

 

Scum to Town

 

SS

Clarthe

#YOLO

Haxorz

J-Tag

PFG

Crunk

Spliffanity

Strawhats

EvilSiblings

WiFum

RTL

 

Latest Vote Count:

 

Vote Count - 1.04

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

CRUNK (1) - YoloHashSwag

YoloHashSwag (3) - Clarthe, WiFuM, J-TAG

Clarthe (3) - Spliffanity, Sexy Sisters, Evil Siblings

Evil Siblings (1) - Straw Hats

J-TAG (1) - RTL

 

not voting : PFG, HaXorz, CRUNK

 

I feel like a lot of these votes here have still been rather "easy" votes. Which is a bit worrisome as we approach deadline. We still have time though and most importantly a lot more time for people to come in and give their reads and support their votes.

 

##Vote SexySisters

 

Edit: Formatting

 

 

 

So, usually I hate these sort of long winded airbag posts that people make (this is an RTE quote in the above spoilers) but this time I recommend people read this one.  I would love if anyone could point out a significantly valuable anything that was contributed to the game here.  Maybe you can't.  Can you point out a read that you agree with?  No?  Well what about the vote?  Conflicts with his scum reads?  Internally it doesn't appear to but it does when you examine that his representation of peoples' play is either a failure to read or comprehend the material.  External consistency does not equate to the evaluation given above, which is a fancy way of saying that he doesn't believe his own statements.

 

We can lynch him after removing Straw Hat McGee

 

I have noooooo idea what Darthe was saying here.