[Advanced/Experimental] Mass Effect I - Hydra Game - Game Over

[Andrej]

Hardly.

 

I had an idea of why Despo might've swapped to PFG earlier, but he has blown that theory out of the water with his more recent posts.

 

I think he will be fine lynching anyone that isn't him.

[Lenlo]

  On 4/3/2014 at 7:58 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 7:48 PM, Chaelca said:

Votecount 2.06

J-TAG (3) - Sexy Sisters, Clarthe,WiFuM

PFG (3) - YoloHashSwag, CRUNK, RTL

YoloHashSWag (2) - PFG, J-TAG

RTL (1) - HaXorz

 

Not voting: Spliffanity

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Deadline-D2

 

I thought RTL was voting us, nvm I guess.

 

No, RTE swapped us to PFG.

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/3/2014 at 7:59 PM, Andrej said:

Hardly.

 

I had an idea of why Despo might've swapped to PFG earlier, but he has blown that theory out of the water with his more recent posts.

 

I think he will be fine lynching anyone that isn't him.

You're not him. If he's Mafia and you're Town, wouldn't the easiest thing for him to have done been just to push through your Lynch based on Jack's thoughts?

 

Ok.

 

It's like you're not even really suspicious of him at all.

 

I do wonder where they've gone to though.

 

[hazelkrs1]

  On 4/3/2014 at 7:17 PM, Ithillian said:

ink the most important thing to remember here is that Despo just admitted to being wrong. I think we should all take a moment to reflect on this. We'll probably never see such a sight ever again in our lifetime

 

:silenceplease:

 

Lol I am often wrong in mafia, like seriously happens a lot, just like with anyone else

 

I just don't let it affect my confidence, my scumhunting swagger

 

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 7:23 PM, Ithillian said:

Dear Despo, Turin would like you to explain your swingy reads on us please - from when we were mafia, to town, to mafia and back to town again

 

Verb says it was all you - so please elaborate.

 

Using simple bullet points and in no more than 100 words.

 

Thank you

 

Ithi

 

 

Sigh. Hardest part will be underlined. Okay.

 

I'm sure you realize I have a meta set up of going after Turin (he does as well, vice versa).

 

I often use this to both feel him out as well as reaction test others

 

That being said, early on both of you seemed like you could be scum

 

Turin was fos'ing everyone, and you were misrepping early on and not screaming town like you usually do

 

After going @ yall a bit, I noticed a lot of people saying "town on town" and that yall started to seem town

 

I also noticed others, like Amega, Thane, and Lily, almost kind of promoting the action, making it seem like they were trying to incite town on town

 

I then said yall were LOCK CLEAR as a trap/gambit. I will often hand out early, or premature LOCK CLEARS as reaction tests. Yall were still potential suspects to me, just lower on the list.

 

Everything after that continued to make me think yall were town after all.

 

You're paranoid of everything- your major towntell.

 

Turin is tunneling me, yes, but he is paying attention to and pointing out other scumtells and connections- his major towntell.

 

That's prob more than 100 words but eh, sue me. /shrug

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 7:27 PM, Andrej said:

 

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:49 PM, Despothera said:

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA now I just read AJ saying I'm not looking to clear townies

 

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

 

:laugh:

 

It's official, I can disregard every one of AJ's posts as well. How fun!

 

 

This is Despo's response instead of actually trying to refute anything I have said about him.

 

Nice.

 

And I'm the sarcastic one Verb??

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:52 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 4/2/2014 at 2:22 PM, Despothera said:

So.

 

##Vote J-Tag looks like an awesome place to start. Shared read by too many people I trust or that have flipped as town. Then PFG imo, they are also vurry naughty. If game is still going on after that, we can start tinfoiling on peeps like RTL and stuff

 

But as of now, here's where were at:

 

#YOLOHASHSWAGCRUNK

WiFuM

HaXorZ

Clarthe (went @ SH too hard and consistent for bus move imo, and Darthe is on his town meta)

 

are all LOCK CLEAR

 

Seeing STRONG townie vibes from both Spliffanity as well as the Sexy Sistahs. Will not lynch anytime soon.

 

RTL is a mess cause everytime RTE posts they look like scum, everytime Lenlo posts they look town again. Won't say that SH spewed them as town with their sole fos out of one of their reads lists however as that came after SH was under heavy focus iirc so it could have been distancing attempt. If RTE ever gets in line tho they might be able to get themselves in the clear crowd eventually mebbe.

 

Which again, leaves J-TAG and PFG as the other wilves along with SH. Game is #solved.

 

Oh look, here's a post of mine from earlier today. Hey everyone, look at me not clearing any townies here!

 

 

Glad you brought this up again, Des.

 

In my earlier statement about Des not being interested in clearing other townies was because he said it was laughable that I was attempting to clear BFG after reading her ISO. Did Despo take the time to read her ISO? I doubt it. Instead he has spent his time trying to construct a case that is flimsy at best. Now he is misconstruing the events around the hammer and quickly backtracking with an "Opps, my bad" type excuse.

 

Semantics aside, here are the facts:

 

Pral ensured a lynch on a heavy scum PR after it had stalled and potentially was going to go elsewhere. This alone should make them not likely scum/scum.

 

Amega defends VD early on. Could be scum/town buddying/WKing, but I feel more like scum/scum defense.

 

Des comes into the game and decides that our best option would be to delay the lynch on SH (known scum) in favor for Evil Sibs (known town) and later piggy-backs onto Cory's reasons for wanting to push WiFuM and Evil Sibs as the two competing trains.

 

I am reading Cory as solidly town atm. Looking forward to when he and Tommy can dig in. Based on my belief that Cory is town, Despo disgustingly piggy-backing onto him while Cory was pressuring other players besides SH kind of reaffirms my suspicion of Despo. High level scum play, so I tip my hat to you on that. The only problem was at the time he was pushing for the WiFuM/Evil Sibs thunderdome, he had already declared WiFuM a LOCK CLEAR.

 

So looking at Despo's list we've got:

 

CRUNK

WiFuM

HaXorz

Clarthe

 

Spliff

SS

 

RTL

 

PFG

JTAG

 

I pretty much agree with the top 4.

 

TG & I agree that Spliff is town. SS is on the lower end of my reads list currently.

 

RTL is borderline, I like Len's tone but RTE makes it hard to trust them. I didn't like his sarcastic kissing up towards Des earlier with his reads post, and have a hard time reconciling how he believes that slot to be town although he thinks some things are off with them. He also thinks JTAG is probtown but allows his partner to keep his vote there. Hmm.

 

I firmly believe PFG is town and obviously JTAG is town.

 

If Des flips scum my next biggest suspects would be SS/RTL easily.

 

 

Bold: Never said that would be my only response. I was picking my daughter up at the time, on mobile. Plus, you've posted a LOT of drivel to go through.... I think this was your plan. Bury the thread in lengthy wot back and forths to make your scumminess less evident.

 

Underlined: I haven't read BFG's iso yet, but I've read all of her posts as they were happening, and then again during my last reread. She has not impressed me this game. Normally her towniness is much more evident.  Heck, she's even fooled me hard before when she was scum. I think she's been busy or distracted or something this game so hasn't been able to towntell as much.

 

Emphasized: Howllllllllll "semantics"

 

Italicized: I still highly doubt that any lynch besides SH was happening, and you're just trying to twist the facts to make it look like that's the case. This is a really really bad reason to try and clear someone.

 

And tho you went @ Pray early, like I pointed out last night you've been an eager beaver to clear him all game. Im on to you dude.

 

Then you discuss my reads. Hilarious thing is, you agree with almost all of them, except for two slots. Well of COURSE you don't "agree" with me on you and your scummy partners PFG being scum! So you replace you two with Yolo and SS. While still trying to keep RTL open as a possible mislynch.

 

And again, this whole thing completely proves I've been trying to clear townies all game. Just because I won't clear your scummate BFG don't mean I'm not trying to POE this sucker down.

[csarmi]

Mod Announcement: Unfortunately, Tina has to drop out of the game and will be replaced by AVM in the morning.

[hazelkrs1]

And you know what? I don't want the J-TAG/PFG dynamic quadro try to split this vote or convince any sheeple towards the end. Thank you for the VC mods.

 

##Unvote PFG

 

##Vote J-TAG

[hazelkrs1]

  On 4/3/2014 at 7:56 PM, Andrej said:

 

  Quote

 

Speak of the MOTHERHUGGING DEVIL!

 

 

Hey there you. Time to wreck this place. I'm thinking we can already POE from here:

 

YOLO

CRUNK

WiFuM

RTL

Sexy Sistahs

HaXorZ

 

all LOCK CLEAR. PFG could even possibly be put into the mix. Anyone you can add to that? If we narrow this down to a nice lynch pool today, I'm thinking we might be able to get the WILVES lolcatting by D2 end. Whatcha think?

 

:excite:

 

 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 8:20 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 6:46 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 6:42 PM, corycurren said:

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 6:40 PM, Verbal32 said:

Apparently Des and I disagree on the alignment of the WiFum peeps.  I think scum.  The idea to lynch me with signup thread reasons was and is still ridiculous......and they try to make me look like I'm using that to defend....when they used it to attack.

 

Crazytalk!

 

Des is doing that thing where he moves on from one scum that did something that made him think twice to another scum

 

it's not the worst habit

 

As long as he circles back to me, I'm good.  He took the damn car and I'm not walking!

 

Lol

 

Yeah I like spreading dah pressure

 

It's also fun letting people think they're off the hook, see if they let down their guard or something. Guess Verbal had to go ahead and ruin that

 

Plus I like building up my LOCK CLEAR crowd, even if it has a baitread or two in there. I'm all about drawing battle lines in the sand

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 7:44 PM, corycurren said:

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 7:38 PM, Jack_D said:

So that's why your gunning at us Corey? Bromamce with Despo? I should just post memes and say how supertptallyawesomeperfectionperfectedsuperstars Des and co is. Lolz

 

I guess since you don't read my WoTs you would come to sort of conclusion

 

Despot is actually pretty off this game so far, but I'm pretty sure he's town regardless

you two are just scumzorz 

 

You vs WIFUM thunderdome gogo

 

Turin/Ithi + Lily/Jack competing trains would be interesting indeeeeeeed

 

I'm GO for that plan

 

Read the bolded bits, it should tell you all that you need to know.

 

The last one especially. Should be read as: "Anyone but SH for competing trains would be interesting indeeeeeeed"

 

 

You basically just proved exactly what I said, about how I issue out LOCK CLEARS as reaction tests occasionally, and often do the same with pushes for lynch targets

 

Thank you

 

 

And I'm not one to say the pressure I'm spreading around is for pressure. I want everything I do or say to have the fear of a lynch behind it.

 

I always intended for SH to be the lynch yesterday. Hence me showing a ridiculous amount of their scumtells in my lengthy wot's before deadline. I still wanted town to have the strongest possible D1. For that to happen, people need to think another lynch might be possible.

[Ithillian Turambar]

@Despo - do you not think it strange that Jtag failed to point out your error as proof you were fibbing and hence Mafia?

[Andrej]

Des you just both called BFG town and scum in the same post.

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 8:05 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 7:59 PM, Andrej said:

Hardly.

I had an idea of why Despo might've swapped to PFG earlier, but he has blown that theory out of the water with his more recent posts.

I think he will be fine lynching anyone that isn't him.

You're not him. If he's Mafia and you're Town, wouldn't the easiest thing for him to have done been just to push through your Lynch based on Jack's thoughts?

Ok.

It's like you're not even really suspicious of him at all.

I do wonder where they've gone to though.

 

I think there was potential strategy there. I quoted a post of his earlier where he touches on the Jack NK and "guesses" that they protected you guys since one of the mafia wasn't killed with them. He tries to tie this "guess" to me and TG by saying that we have been ducking your and Turin's posts.

 

Sounds like TMI or a very poor set-up to me. Turin already countered by clarifying that Evil Sib's role was an unblockable BG, not a vengeful one. This whole time Despo has been subtly trying to distance from the NK by saying it would've been dumb for the scum team to kill a mislynch opportunity. Since we're all supposed to know how Despo's play is such high-level stuff, so obviously he didn't do it.

 

Like I said earlier: Townie claims PR. Mafia kills PR.

 

Not suspicious? I pegged Verbothera for scum on D1. Likely literally from Despo's travesty of an OP. I even got called on leaving my vote there for so long.

[hazelkrs1]

  On 4/3/2014 at 8:16 PM, Ithillian said:

@Despo - do you not think it strange that Jtag failed to point out your error as proof you were fibbing and hence Mafia?

 

I think there have been about 9748670870883587 "strange" things about J-TAG this game. That is just yet another one of them. They look so obviously wolfy to me it's insane.

 

To me, the worst thing is how AJ has tried to clear PFG all game after an early distancing attempt. Please Ithillian, I know you don't generally do iso's, but please go back and look at AJ's posts. He soft defends, hard defends, chainsaw defends, and bizarro defends the Straw Hat brothers, saying over and over how he doesn't think there's much of a case on them or blah blah blah. And look at how he handles his reads, specifically that of Pray.

 

To me, if you're town and you read all of AJ's posts D1, and don't immediately see him for the scum he is, well then...

 

[hazelkrs1]

That's not to say that TG's are any better btw. He's just as bad this game, and just as wolfy.

 

But tbh, AJ is really easy to read as scum. I don't have a single doubt in my mind that he will flip scum.

 

I also think his flip will lead us to PFG as well. Those teams are just as CONFIRMED as it gets people. Please see reason.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Then why weren't you voting him before?

[Leelou]

So, AVM is joining me in the morning. Once we both catch up, we will post our most current reads. I am still liking J-TAG as scum from the quick glances I've been able to get in today. 

[Andrej]

Your AtE is bad at this point.

 

Have I been off this game? Sure. I explained that I have been pretty detached because I was busy during the end of the last week through the weekend, but I'm here now and working.

 

I haven't denied or tried to downplay the fact that I defended SH once. I'm guilty of it. I explained why I thought their wagon stunk and stick by it.

 

Just because you went around posting a bunch of WoTs of all their 'scumtells' doesn't mean anything to me Despo. A lot of your 'scumtells' are stretches of logic and misconstrued facts from your brain laboratory most of the time.

 

I am using simple facts from the actions players have taken this game. I understand why I look bad for being against the SH wagon. IMO you look WORSE for claiming to support it, but to propose a lynch elsewhere on a person that has now been confirmed as town.

[Andrej]

  On 4/3/2014 at 8:24 PM, Ithillian said:

Then why weren't you voting him before?

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/3/2014 at 8:23 PM, Despothera said:

That's not to say that TG's are any better btw. He's just as bad this game, and just as wolfy.

 

But tbh, AJ is really easy to read as scum. I don't have a single doubt in my mind that he will flip scum.

 

I also think his flip will lead us to PFG as well. Those teams are just as CONFIRMED as it gets people. Please see reason.

Why are you asking me to read up on AJ and co when I'm already voting them?

[Ithillian Turambar]

What's that face for.

 

You now defending Despo voting for someone else other than you when he says you are the obvious mafia?

[Leelou]

  On 4/3/2014 at 8:39 PM, Ithillian said:

What's that face for.

 

You now defending Despo voting for someone else other than you when he says you are the obvious mafia?

 

It's best to not to try to make sense of it, you'll just end up with a headache. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/3/2014 at 8:34 PM, Andrej said:

I am using simple facts from the actions players have taken this game.

Facts from when you made your case - but not new things that happen. You seem to be in stasis.

 

I still don't understand why you would not build new layers on your case as they occur.

[Andrej]

  On 4/3/2014 at 8:13 PM, Despothera said:

You basically just proved exactly what I said, about how I issue out LOCK CLEARS as reaction tests occasionally, and often do the same with pushes for lynch targets

 

Thank you

 

 

And I'm not one to say the pressure I'm spreading around is for pressure. I want everything I do or say to have the fear of a lynch behind it.

 

I always intended for SH to be the lynch yesterday. Hence me showing a ridiculous amount of their scumtells in my lengthy wot's before deadline. I still wanted town to have the strongest possible D1. For that to happen, people need to think another lynch might be possible.

 

Ohhh... so your whole LOCK CLEAR on WiFuM was just a reaction test although your partner confirms that you think they are town? On thread? And he disagrees?

 

And how this fake-LOCK CLEAR gambit suddenly fits with how you so adamantly agreed with another player that two other teams besides the confirmed mafia should duke it out as the Day's lynch?

 

I see now. No wonder such a brilliant play went over the likes of me.

 

You say that you always intended them to be the lynch but you have been quoted several times where you have said that we should put them on hold and lynch elsewhere. Like several times. Again, posting WoTs prior to what looks like an inevitable scum lynch doesn't mean anything. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU WEREN'T ON THE LYNCH. You keep shoving this fact in my face but to me it reads like you're just trying to play up your distancing attempt at this point.

 

Lol - seriously bro?

[Andrej]

  On 4/3/2014 at 8:39 PM, Ithillian said:

What's that face for.

 

You now defending Despo voting for someone else other than you when he says you are the obvious mafia?

 

It was supposed to be a confused face while he scrambles for an answer.

 

Guess I should've picked a better GIF.

[Andrej]

  On 4/3/2014 at 8:42 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 8:34 PM, Andrej said:

I am using simple facts from the actions players have taken this game.

Facts from when you made your case - but not new things that happen. You seem to be in stasis.

 

I still don't understand why you would not build new layers on your case as they occur.

 

I have countered and commented on pretty much everything that has been said by both Verb and Despo today.

 

The layers continue to build. Soon I will look Victorian with all these petticoats.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Using the Lock Clear rubbish to get any reaction of me was never going to work because I think it is a load of twaddle.

 

I think our actual reaction was to laugh and roll our eyes and go ... oh right.

 

Because ugh. Just annoying.

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/3/2014 at 8:46 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 8:42 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 8:34 PM, Andrej said:

I am using simple facts from the actions players have taken this game.

Facts from when you made your case - but not new things that happen. You seem to be in stasis.

 

I still don't understand why you would not build new layers on your case as they occur.

 

 

I have countered and commented on pretty much everything that has been said by both Verb and Despo today.

 

The layers continue to build. Soon I will look Victorian with all these petticoats.

 

Didn't you say that you thought new evidence wasn't relevant because you'd already got all the information you needed? Or was that the other one?

[Tyler Glembo]

  On 4/3/2014 at 8:42 PM, Ithillian said:

Facts from when you made your case - but not new things that happen. You seem to be in stasis.

I still don't understand why you would not build new layers on your case as they occur.

 

 

Ithi, you must not be reading.  Did you just come in the thread, read the last 2-3 pages and start commenting?  Why not look at the last 20-30 pages of myself and AJ continuously building our case on Swaggy P and incorporating all the new things they said as they said them.