[BASIC] Physics Mafia: GAME OVER, Town and Lenlo wins!

[Tyler Glembo]

Thanks Nolder, fixed.

 

6.5 hours to DL

[_CLOUD]

Hey I'm back again and I will be catching up now.

[Nolder]

Especially wierded out at Nolder giving me a hard time and a lecture for just providing one sentence explanation, saying that everyone else is not mind-readers... one should always explain ones vote with a logic case. And then he drops a unvote vote cloud out of the blue? Not even sure what to say here. 

Indeed. It was partly a move to illustrate why explanations are good and necessary.

I was actually really hoping you'd be the first person to comment on it. I hope that every townie takes the lesson to heart.

 

Anyways, my vote.

It's pretty simple actually.

I don't trust Des a whit but the deadline is coming up.

I didn't know exactly how close due to the link being bad when I voted but I could guess it would be today or tomorrow.

Meaning there's probably not enough time to drive a train up on Des. So what do I do? I look at the votes.

 

Four trains jump out. Amega, Cloud, and Player at 2 votes each and Jack at 3.

While it's obviously time for some consolidation per the deadline (my reason for moving my vote in the first place) there's also something to be said for competing trains.

I'm also not overly suspect of Jack anyway. So that leaves my options as Amega, Cloud, and Player. Frankly, looking at Jacks train, I think I like the company best on Cloud.

I may not have cased him personally but sometimes you gotta go with gut impressions. I have a town lean on wombat and everyone on Jack seems at least a little dirty to me.

The logical move was Cloud.

 

I hope I've explained it to your satisfaction.

[Nolder]

By the way my sleep schedule is all out of whack.

I wont be awake for the deadline so if anyone has any questions or concerns they want me to address send'em my way ASAP.

[nervositee]

I'm gonna roll my eyes now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There. 

[_CLOUD]

I still have three and a half pages to catch up to but here are my reads so far. I'm still happy with my vote on Jack:
 
 
 
I liked how much effort Nolder has put into his catch-up posts and I agree with a lot of things that he has said. In the beginning he seemed to be a little too wishy washy for my taste but that quickly changed. I’m reading him as town.
 

I find it weird that you're voting Jack several hours after Des's vote and don't even acknowledge it.
Do you disagree with Des that Jack is "making mountains out of molehills"?

No, I actually agreed with him. I thought my comment about the irony in the situation was clear enough but apparently I was wrong since everyone thinks I didn’t have a reason for my vote on Jack.
 

Don't like this. Town looks for reactions far more than scum does. They're not supposed to say so? :O

Not when their play has been scummy and they are using the "I was just looking for reactions" excuse to try and escape their lynch.
 

I'm okay with lynching amega, cloud, or dap today. Just saying.

Two OMGUS votes and someone you suspect is mafia because he is coasting by. I'm not really impressed dude.
 

The way your looking at it with him saying he will lynch you whether your town or scum is indeed scummy but I dont think thats what he meant, I think thats just how your reading it to try and twist his words into looking scummy.

This. You guys should look at the context of his post where he is clearly pointing out all the things he finds scummy about Jack.
 

You can't prove a negative. That's dumb. The burden is on you to prove other people are scum, not on other people to prove they aren't.
If you think someone can just prove that they aren't scum then go ahead and do it, I'll be waiting.

In my opinion townies should also proof that they are town by playing a townie game so the rest of the players will have a better and easier time scumhunting instead of wasting it on going after derp townies.

 

You know what I find funny. I take flak for posting an obvious joke pressure with my long hmmmmmmm towards Kronos, who I didn't vote for and just pushed ever so slightly to see if anyone anywhere would vote. (You all should if noticed that since context and intentions are so apparent, according to amega I think but not sure)

You mean how you changed your defense from “why would I do that as scum?!” and “I don’t care if I’m lynched!” to “I obviously acted that way to get reactions from you guys lolz”? Yeah sorry if I don’t believe you.
 

Then out of nowhere I get voted for no reason, and then people come back later with parroted reasoning of someone in front. All the while there's a bunch on beatings of cheats and proclamations that they got me. When most likely I could find and lose them lol.

I can’t believe that you are still pushing the “voting without any reason” thing. It’s getting really tiresome at this point. The people that voted for you have all explained their votes. You trying to make them appear as nonsensical without countering the arguments because you refuse to read the posts is one of the scummiest things that has happened in the game.

 

If you don't like how your posts look from a different perspective post like Dap has this game. Utterly non confrontational and non committal with just enough substance to be safe from being called playing under the radar.

Nice attempt to try and steer the attention away from yourself and towards Dap.

 

This thread is growing really tedious. Got a town read on Vos now. Cloud is still doing his fake scumhunting thing and now he's added semantic obfuscation to try to make Jack look bad.

unvote
Vote Cloud

Well, at least we both think Vos is town. Care to give examples where you think I have been fake scumhunting? And I wasn’t arguing semantics with Jack. He was plainly misinterpreting the entire situation that happened between him, Vos and me.

 

 

Hi.

Might as well start here.
This is on meta with Kronos's mafia play. As town he tends not to punctuate the words and he tends to vote or say more than just hi in his OPs.
Just saying.

 

This is actually the most interesting reason that I have read why Kronos has been acting scummy because it shows that he has been a bit tense at the start of the game. I didn’t see his over-explanation towards Nolder as scummy because Kronos is quite easy to rile up regardless of his alignment. I disagree with almost everything you pointed out about Vos and even a few things about Amega but I do agree with the last part of your WoT where you pointed out how Amega contradicted himself by first defending Kronos from Jack and then supporting Nolder’s vote on him with nothing in between.

 

@cloud why dont you want lily to look at Wolf.

I have no issues with Lily looking at Wolf; It stuck out to me that she was so focused on him for a couple of posts and I was wondering why that was because she didn’t explain why she found him to be scummy before.
 

And it's not perspective when other people also state that you twist words and misrep to make your points. Dont cling to perspective as a defense. If you want me to let up on you besides me who do you think is scum? Dap doesnt seem to have any reply's to you. Any thing to add to your read on him.

+1
 

Cloud has misquoted my posts and been really scummy.

I haven’t misquoted any of your posts. If you think otherwise please provide some kind of evidence.
 

1) the whole business of me saying no explanation votes are scummy. Yet people voting Nervo, who started by saying "weak" and giving no explanation and then coming back with the same thing everyone else hashed together, wasn't strong enough reason to vote him is contradictory to his line of logic.

Vos did give an explanation with his vote although it definitely wasn't much. He corrected this when you asked him to explain his vote more. I also haven’t seen Vos come up with rehashed arguments. He said something entirely different than Despo and I did.

 

 

2) his flippant votes and voting again without reason.

Dude you are the only person that I have voted for in this game and I have given a reason for it and even explained it in depth in a previous post which you apparently refused to read because it was too long winded for your tastes.

 

I don’t really read anything scummy behind Lilly following Jack around a bit. It looks like it’s a regular thing between them.

[_CLOUD]

I should have probably split that one up into more posts >.>

[WWWwombat]

Chae, I was replying to Jack in that post and not Despo.

 

 

Cloud I don't care if you post them or not. Just saying. I don't read dm. So if anything is addressed to me it'll go unanswered.

 

So basically vos voted without reason, which is scummy. And people called him on it and voted him for it. But since they all aren't voting me and vos agrees with your line of thinking his train looked bad. Gotcha.

 

Well that's certainly helpfull...

 

Voting without giving a reason isn't as scummy as you like to believe it is and it certainly didn't deserve four votes. People do it all the time. Vos found your response to be weak and after you asked him to eloborate on it he did and I happen to agree with his line of thinking.

 

Here you imply that Vos voted without giving a reason.

 

 

@Jack: No, I didn't. His reason was that he found your reply to Despo to be weak. I don't consider that voting without a reason. That would be voting for someone else without giving ANY kind of explanation. Even that however is more annoying than it is a scum tell. You didn't explain why he wasn't voting without a reason. You were attacking him for it.

 

Here you say that Vos's reason was that he found Jack's reply to be "weak" which you somehow differentiate from voting with no explanation, when pretty much anyone can label something "weak" or "scummy" and then vote someone because of it.

 

 

 

 

 

Chae, I was replying to Jack in that post and not Despo.

 

Cloud I don't care if you post them or not. Just saying. I don't read dm. So if anything is addressed to me it'll go unanswered.

 

So basically vos voted without reason, which is scummy. And people called him on it and voted him for it. But since they all aren't voting me and vos agrees with your line of thinking his train looked bad. Gotcha.

Well that's certainly helpfull...

 

Voting without giving a reason isn't as scummy as you like to believe it is and it certainly didn't deserve four votes. People do it all the time. Vos found your response to be weak and after you asked him to eloborate on it he did and I happen to agree with his line of thinking.

So you didn't insinuate vos voted without reason?

The part I bolded is you saying he voted with no reason. And it didn't deserve 4 votes. You said it I didn't. Vos and I already discussed his reasoning etc.

 

 

That was a general statement about voting without reasons and how it doesn't deserve four votes. Check the blue part.

 

 

Here is you backtracking when Jack points out your hypocrisy.  It was a general statement.  That just happened to apply exactly to a specific situation in this game.  Right.  This is semantic obfuscation.  You are moving the semantic goalposts in order to dance around the holes Jack is poking in your arguments.  This is also a logical fallacy btw:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

 

 

And you have the audacity to say Jack is misrepping things...

[_CLOUD]

It was a general statement.  That just happened to apply exactly to a specific situation in this game.  Right.

Yes.

[WWWwombat]

So you're saying that Vos gave a good reason for voting Jack, but even if he didn't it wasn't that scummy.  Looks like you might have already decided Vos's alignment to me.  Either that or you don't want Vos's vote to be viewed as scummy because yours was very similar.

[Hayl3y]

So i'd like to go back to the votes ;

 

 

First the Jack "train" -> Des votes against him, then Cloud then Vos, and Ame after. It seems their reasoning is almost the same, Jack making mountains of mole hills.

But there's people thinking that Cloud and Vos are suspicious about their weak reasons to vote ... but no one said anything about  Des. Why ?

 

Then a second train is built on Vos -> Wombat votes against him as he's supposed to have voted for weak reasons. But he said nothing about Des, nor Cloud at first. Wombat is followed by Jack on his vote against Vos (for opportunistic band wagoning). Lilly joins in and votes against Vos. Dap voted Vos too. I still see nothing about Des and i think it weird. The vote of wombat is quite timely as it starts a train against Vos but why picking him instead of CLoud or another.

 

Nolder voted against Kronos. Then wombat changes his vote for Kronos, instead of Vos.

 

Vos voted against Lily for not playing well enough in his tastes then votes again against jack.

 

Jack unvotes and goes against Ame, then Lily votes ame too.

 

Wombat votes against CLoud for fake scumhunting followed by Nolder.

 

Seeing that Cloud was left alone in place of Vos...and that we are getting closer to the DL

 

unvotes

vote CLoud

 

 

 

 

[_CLOUD]

I just did a quick catching up before going to work, so I'll be back with reads and whatnot later. I just had to drop in to point out the irony of "buzzword" being the new buzzword. Beautiful.

Lol this is so true.

 

Nolder does in his lecturing mode in every game that I have played with him in. It isn’t alignment indicative as far as I know. I like his and Despo’s lectures though.

 

And being the third vote means that you are confirmed mafia.

/it is known

 

I think Nolder is overreacting with Despo caling him out for fluffing.

I don’t like Chae’s reads because they are so wishy washy and she is giving way too many people the benefit of the doubt. This is just her second or third game though so I will wait and see how her play advances in this game.

 

So you're saying that Vos gave a good reason for voting Jack, but even if he didn't it wasn't that scummy. Looks like you might have already decided Vos's alignment to me. Either that or you don't want Vos's vote to be viewed as scummy because yours was very similar.

I never said that his initial reasoning that he gave with his vote was good, but it was A reasoning. I agreed with the explanaiton that followed after Jack asked him to elaborate. And yes even if hasn't said anything a single without ANY kind of explanation certainly doesn't deserve a train of four votes.

 

 

And Chae what kind of reasoning is that? It's like you are just randomly picking me out of the player pool.

[Lenlo]

Alright gettin close to deadline, nothing ive seen has really changed my opinion on Jack, though Clouds BS scumhunting and hypocritical statements has made me completely ok with lynching him as well. I feel like one of them is scum, but most likely not both.

 

##unvote vote Jack

 

I will be around to change to Cloud if needed to secure a lynch today, as all im going to be doing today is writing a lab report.

[_CLOUD]

Bleh so many spelling mistakes.

 

 

This is what I meant to say with the last part:

 

"I never said that his initial reasoning that he gave with his vote was good, but it was A reasoning. I agreed with the explanaiton that followed after Jack asked him to elaborate. And yes even if Vos voted without giving ANY kind of explanation it certainly didn't deserve a train of four votes.

[nervositee]

I think later in the game, we will look back and find the scum amongst the people working hardest at twisting the course of the game, and as I read it, Wombat and Jack is pretty darn high up on that list. 

[_CLOUD]

Alright gettin close to deadline, nothing ive seen has really changed my opinion on Jack, though Clouds BS scumhunting and hypocritical statements has made me completely ok with lynching him as well. I feel like one of them is scum, but most likely not both.

This post pings so hard. You are just following Wombat without explaining what was wrong about my play and then you follow it up by linking me together with Jack saying that one of us has to be scum. You are setting up lynches for the next Day and this is actually starting to make me doubt my scum read on Jack.

[Lenlo]

 

Alright gettin close to deadline, nothing ive seen has really changed my opinion on Jack, though Clouds BS scumhunting and hypocritical statements has made me completely ok with lynching him as well. I feel like one of them is scum, but most likely not both.

This post pings so hard. You are just following Wombat without explaining what was wrong about my play and then you follow it up by linking me together with Jack saying that one of us has to be scum. You are setting up lynches for the next Day and this is actually starting to make me doubt my scum read on Jack.

 

Im not setting up anything. He flips scum I think your town, because I doubt scum would push so hard with some of your faulty logic on their teammate D1, if hes scum then your either a bad towny with faulty logic and hypocrisy or your scum who wanted a towny lynched with bad logic and hypocrisy. Its only setting up a lynch if he flips town which apparently your expecting?

 

If a single post from someone outside the arguement/tuffle you have with Jack/wombat is enough to change your scum read on Jack then obviously it wasnt a very strong read in the first place either.

[Hayl3y]

 

 

And Chae what kind of reasoning is that? It's like you are just randomly picking me out of the player pool.

 

 

 

well the deadline is in 3 hours and i don't want to have a modkill.

Then i think it weird that there were so many votes against vos ... and that u are Des were left alone.

[_CLOUD]

 

 

Alright gettin close to deadline, nothing ive seen has really changed my opinion on Jack, though Clouds BS scumhunting and hypocritical statements has made me completely ok with lynching him as well. I feel like one of them is scum, but most likely not both.

This post pings so hard. You are just following Wombat without explaining what was wrong about my play and then you follow it up by linking me together with Jack saying that one of us has to be scum. You are setting up lynches for the next Day and this is actually starting to make me doubt my scum read on Jack.

 

Im not setting up anything. He flips scum I think your town, because I doubt scum would push so hard with some of your faulty logic on their teammate D1, if hes scum then your either a bad towny with faulty logic and hypocrisy or your scum who wanted a towny lynched with bad logic and hypocrisy. Its only setting up a lynch if he flips town which apparently your expecting?

 

If a single post from someone outside the arguement/tuffle you have with Jack/wombat is enough to change your scum read on Jack then obviously it wasnt a very strong read in the first place either.

 

 

Yeah sue me for not yet having surefire scum reads at Day 1. And please point my faulty logic and hypocricy. Your "one of them is mafia, the other is town" along with your vote on Jack has made me suspicious of you because you could be scum who is trying to get two townies lynched without having to explain yourself much.

[Lenlo]

That was fun. Just spent an hour compiling all the mafia games ive played in the last 2 years for the siggy. Probably missed afew even then.

[_CLOUD]

O.o

[nervositee]

Ugh, one and a half hours to go, and the biggest train is 4/8. Anyone there?

[Lenlo]

Im here and I can switch if needed.

[_CLOUD]

Unoffical VC:
 

Vote Count
amegakure(2): LilyElizabeth, dapianoplay3r
Jack_D (4): Despothera, _Cloud, nervositee, Lenlo
_Cloud(4): WWWwombat, Jack_D, Nolder, Chaelca
dapianoplay3r(2): amegakure

Not Voting (3): theWolverine, iceknight, dawnflower8,

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140323T16&p0=263&msg=Physics+Mafia+Day+1

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

[WWWwombat]

Cloud train is the best.