[Advanced] Catching Fire mafia - Game over!

[Tyler Glembo]

#unvote, vote Darthe

 

Reading through D1 there is almost nothing to go on. No real player interaction, everyone playing it safe. How'd this happen? Well, Darthe went into lecturer mode and turned everyone away from scumhunting into discussing hypotheticals (e.g. Did I claim scum? Is that null? Isn't it? Advanced game? Etc etc)

 

As far as I'm concerned, that is the single least townie action anybody has taken so far. CS comes a close second by engaging him in the discussion to the degree he did.

[csarmi]

##unvote vote Dice

 

I was affected by the toll.

[csarmi]

@TG game was dead before Darthe started his fun. Also why the 180-turn?

[csarmi]

Section 9 gives lynchproof

Section 8 had no one screaming

Section 7 gives no coroner

Section 4 gives double vote

 

This is what I got on my list so far.

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

Abit premature, but reads:
 
Town: Krak, Lenlo, dice, pral, time, tg
Scum: Darthe, csarmi (but only one of them)
Null: rhea, verb, amega
 
This is almost purely gut-feel tone-driven, but it gives a good basis of who has acted how. For me at least. I think either darthe or csarmi is scum because this whole pile of steaming poop is just too bloody quaint for scum to be town-town. If it is you deserve equal amounts of head-smacking.

Interesting. I'm reading up and I've got scum leans on Dice & Lenlo. Going back and forth on Darthe.

What makes you lean town on Dice in particular?

 

 

You know, I went back to look at it, and when I ISO'd him and saw his posts in context with each other I'm not quite sure. Post-ISO I'd move him to null-leaning-scum.

 

I even think I'll 

 

##Unvote

##Vote Dice

 

Not because I'm so set on him being scum, but leaning it atm, and I want a Day 1 lynch. We need 9 to lynch and we have a short deadline. 

 

 

So i go from town to null leaning scum for what reason? 

[csarmi]

Work as snuck upon me... I'm planning to answer some of those posts cause I saw some interesting points (couldn't do it from phone), but it needs to be done later. Maybe around lunch or smth.

 

So #252-#254.

 

To be clear: I got affected by the toll (I think it chimed 4 now). I've got double vote. It's going to be in effect after my revote (so it should be in effect by now). I was told that it will show on the votecount and that it doesn'T change the # to lynch.

[dicetosser1]

and csarmi doesn't like that i asked a question about sectors.

[hazelkrs1]

Official vote count
 

Dice (3): Vos, Csarmi
Csarmi (1): Krak
Darthe (1): TG

Not voting: Amega, Darthe,  Xthrax, Pral, Monk, Dap, Verb,  Time, Dice, Hallia, Lenlo, Rhea.

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

A deadline is now in effect http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140306T0001&p0=1375&msg=End+of+Day+1

 

 
Deadline is in 13 and a half hours fyi.

[csarmi]

and csarmi doesn't like that i asked a question about sectors.

Indeed I don't. I think it's up to the players to decide whether they should be coming out.

[Xthrax]

Dap, monk, Xthrax and amega are under the posting limit set by the mods and need to change this before the end of D1 unless they want to face the consequenses. This will be the only warning.

 

Sorry for not posting till now, was rather caught up with school. I'll start reading from where game started on post my thoughts as we go.

[Xthrax]

Dap, monk, Xthrax and amega are under the posting limit set by the mods and need to change this before the end of D1 unless they want to face the consequenses. This will be the only warning.

 

Sorry for not posting till now, was rather caught up with school. I'll start reading from where game started on post my thoughts as we go.

[Xthrax]

I would like to hard claim mafia and see what all of you do.

 

This claim may or may not be accurate and has no more weight than a claim of town, but let us postulate on what affect it has to make a legitimate null claim with a negative stigma associated with it rather than a positive.

 

Shall we?

 

The post that started the game. Darthe I agree that you have achieved what you stated as what you intended-to jump start the game & to get reactions. But I feel that a less chaotic-at-best start would have been. It started the game all right but not in a good way. Now there are two ways to look at it.

 

1. You as town just meant to start the game but chose the most chaotic way to do so. The best thing is to ignore it and go along with that game has started.

2. You as scum decided to go for a big gamble and stated outright that you were scum. Confusion was spread but most after commenting that it was bad way to start ignored it with no one voting you. But if you were scum this achieved the intent that you had-not be voted very early, cause confusion and be dismissed for a while.

 

This has caused considerable confusion but has also garnered reactions. It is a case of wifom-have you or have you not been telling the truth.

 

What am I going to do for now-it doesn't warrant enough for a outright suspicion on you but yes it will do good to see what follows. 

[Xthrax]

 

@Darthe: claiming scum (or town) is nor null in an advanced game and you know that. So what's your game?

 

This is technically accurate.  I suppose that I would be more honest if I said that it is not directional, or that while it is not null it isn't something that can be consistently marked as either a scum or town tell and thus we can only assume that it is Either a scum or town tell.

 

 

Why would an experiment of finding out what kind of tell it is be of benefit for town. It just takes the game in direction. 

[dicetosser1]

 

and csarmi doesn't like that i asked a question about sectors.

Indeed I don't. I think it's up to the players to decide whether they should be coming out.

 

 

and yet Im not the one who suggested they do so.  see below

 

 

Hi TG!!

 

so do we  assume Len, Rhea Darthe Pray Csarmi Xthrax and I were not caught in the sector as none of us have said what the effect was?

 

Im trying to remember the movie. Wasn't there a safe time however brief? was that 9-10?

 

i think you are mixing me up with lenlo

[csarmi]

Hi TG!!

 

so do we  assume Len, Rhea Darthe Pray Csarmi Xthrax and I were not caught in the sector as none of us have said what the effect was?

 

Im trying to remember the movie. Wasn't there a safe time however brief? was that 9-10?

This is the fishing.

[Xthrax]

 

 

Um, if anybody ever thought claiming town carried any weight, they need to sign up for remedial mafia lessons.

Salami has done so within the first ten pages of at least eight games in recent memory and yet here he argues that he wants to lynch anyone for doing the same except with the word mafia. Yet he doesnt vote me. What does this say to you?

 

Because I think he has voted town. His particular claim while the game was going may have caused discussion but i don't think it caused a derailment of game play. Until the last few pages or so most of discussion was on your supposed claim, CS's reaction to it and what is definition of null tell and how does it differ from a scum or town tell. 

 

Now if someone else had done this, what would you have done Darthe?

 

 

 

• Dap: I liked that he started by asking out the CS/Hally buddying, I didn't like his post middle-game post middle game "small mercy i haven't missed much but sucks to be so quiet" <-- that sounds bad.. mixed
• Vos: i liked the carefree way he started the game, his general tone... he answered my question about why he not assume me derailing just fine, townish
• Hally: absolutely nothing except for some speculation about jester and some buddying here and there (and also claiming the LP)... null
• Monk: "is excited" at start, not much afterwards but he makes sense and that's weird from him... will watch closely
• Len: seems less relaxed as usual, fishes for actions (bad), nudge at csarmi (when Darthe asks about why I don't vote him) "perhaps to see if others were to commit?" but no vote
  "He can blame you for it because it was a completely random. artificial direction created by you. If you hadnt made such an outrageous weird claim then we would be in a completely different situation. Personally I dont care we have picked up and im glad for it. " <-- that actually makes sense on second read but something feels off
  Leaning scum, but slightly... too much speculation and some playing both sides make me edgy
• Rhea: she looks alright, didn't add much, but I like how she asked Dice about how he got to his speculation A8bout who wasn't affected). wouldn't say I can read her at this time, but leaning town

 

 

 

 

• Darthe: very mixed - I like how he nudged the game on with his "would like to claim" stuff and his initial reaction prods on that... a lot to like there later as well, would probably need its own case. What I really disliked was his restarting it by totally misrepping me, that's just ourageous what he did there. I'm leaning scum, actually, but I'm afraid I'm somewhat biased there.
• Verb: mixed... been leaning scum for his twisting my words ("common enough") and I also dislike him nudging my scummyness without taking a stance (like vote maybe) after my "unlynchable" claim.. but then again he's making sense there and try to stop the derail. I would think he would try and go for the mislynch on me, or fuel the fire more there. So back to mixed.
• Dice: comes in and speculates/fishes. in #63, bad reaction for the Darthe "would claim"... for a while he doesn't add anything just when asked by Rhea (don't like this). then asks me on Krak's finding the contradiction. Best is his reaction just now. "Dude you always have scum read on me"... yea last time I heard that, guess what he was"

 

 

 

 

• I have a hard time reading Time... literally. no read now
• Amega: leaning scum, mostly cause this... the his other addition is just that why would maffia lurk now and that Darthe is being a prick
• X is exactly null.. added kind of nothing except for asking some clarification which seemed fine
• I like Pralaya, he's making sense. I doN't like him saying "everythign is kind of wifom" but the way he says it is like he believes it. §Not much, but townish lean
• TG - liked his tone in the few posts he made. Early to say anything. I'd guess town.
• Krak - not much. most of what he did is the vote on me. thinks I'm contradicting myself and puts his vote there... that's ok

 

You seem to be choosing pretty inconsequential things for giving a person a town lean or a scummy lean. A few things though, saying the CS/Hally buddying implies that there was some to begin with. 

 

Len asking Darthe something and then you something makes you give a scum lean?

[Xthrax]

Also one more thing CS, your double vote effect last as long as the next toll of bell or till deadline?

[csarmi]

@X -

 

1) There hasn't been that much going on yet. What do you mean by inconsequential things?

2) Yea I like Hally a lot. I think her response "don't judge our love" is null.

 

As far as I understand, these toll effects last for 24 hours. Yes, the doublevote lasts for 24 hours. The deadline will be before that, so in the practical sense, this one shall last till the end of this day.

[csarmi]

Also @X - I don't understand the first part of your post (where you quote Darthe). What are you trying to say there?

[Pralaya]

I don't like the point of Darthe's "may claim mafia" post. He claimed it as a high-risk maneuver but I disagree. It falls into the category of so-obvious-he-cannot-be-mafia and which seems to be exactly what he is aiming at.

 

Looking back at his posts this seems strange. He starts off with this, out of nowhere. All because vos said that he finds everybody null?

 

Strong town lean on Vos

 

Then his next post where he misleads

 

I would like to hard claim mafia and see what all of you do.

 

This claim may or may not be accurate and has no more weight than a claim of town, but let us postulate on what affect it has to make a legitimate null claim with a negative stigma associated with it rather than a positive.

 

Shall we?

 

 

And, the first person to vote him is 

 

Double-meh

 

##Vote Darthe

 

 

I have a feeling that it is a distancing act set up by Darthe and vos. Also, don;t think it is a coincidence that they had a connection earlier, 

 

Csarmi feels town as he has been forthcoming with his effects, especially the Double Vote, which could be a very important effect on the deadline day. Also, getting a town vibe from verbal, especially during the darthe-csarmi debate.

 

Scum: Darthe, Vos

Null/Need to see more: Rhea, Amega, Xthrax, Monk,  Dap, Krak, Time, TG, Dice, Hallia, Lenlo

Town: Csarmi, Verbal

 

##vote Darthe

[Xthrax]

@CS-

1. There hasn't been much going on. So since people have posted quite less shouldn't they be a null read?

 

For instance your read on Rhea-You say she hasn't posted much, only a question to Dice about how he came up with his list of players. And that makes you lean town on her?

Dap's post-where he said that it was good that he didn't miss but that the game is very quite. That gives you a bad impression and a mixed read.

You read Amega as leaning scum because he said all the talk about Darthe's claim is making his brain hurt, asking if mafia would lurk and commenting on Darthe's play.

 

All of your reasons are nothing solid but you read them as leaning town/mafia?

 

2. I have no comment on that. But Hallia post to which you refer was just part of the initial fluff.

 

Oh ok.

 

My opinion on Darthe's jump starting post. I was giving my thoughts on two possible reasons he may have said so. I also said that it caused quite a bit of confusion, derailment and is wifom. So I will follow what comes next closely.

 

One more thing that I noticed Csarmi, you said that you dislike Verbal nudging your scummyness. What do you mean? Are you stating that his nudging hit a mark and his nudging was to something thats there? 

[nervositee]

 

I don't like the point of Darthe's "may claim mafia" post. He claimed it as a high-risk maneuver but I disagree. It falls into the category of so-obvious-he-cannot-be-mafia and which seems to be exactly what he is aiming at.

 

Looking back at his posts this seems strange. He starts off with this, out of nowhere. All because vos said that he finds everybody null?

 

Strong town lean on Vos

 

Then his next post where he misleads

 

I would like to hard claim mafia and see what all of you do.

 

This claim may or may not be accurate and has no more weight than a claim of town, but let us postulate on what affect it has to make a legitimate null claim with a negative stigma associated with it rather than a positive.

 

Shall we?

 

 

And, the first person to vote him is 

 

Double-meh

 

##Vote Darthe

 

 

I have a feeling that it is a distancing act set up by Darthe and vos. Also, don;t think it is a coincidence that they had a connection earlier, 

 

 

I took his "town lead on Vos" as a joke-statement concidering that it was in reply to my "everyone is null". Might have been an attempt at buddying, not sure. He never gave a reason so I took it as a "day 1 random". 

 

I gave a reason for voting him later, as you've probably seen. 

 

I've been tearing my hair out from the inactivity, and Darthe's willing or unwilling success at completely derailing the play. The leading train has 3 votes, we need 6 MORE to lynch. Day 1 has been squandered, and we'll end up from scratch with a free NK from mafia.

[csarmi]

#StrongTownLean

 

Darthe does that a lot (post seemingly random posts about town leans), but more often than not, they aren't jokes, they do have a basis.

 

I can tell you that those early pages (and my interaction with Vos in particular) did give me a town lean on Vos at that time as well (the tone, the easy-going manner). So I read that post of Darthe as a real read (as it mirrored mine).

[csarmi]

@CS-

1. There hasn't been much going on. So since people have posted quite less shouldn't they be a null read?

Not necessarily. I don't like to give null reads at all, the only reason I did so is to have a complete list and I only gave null where there was absolutely nothing I could go on.

 

For instance your read on Rhea-You say she hasn't posted much, only a question to Dice about how he came up with his list of players. And that makes you lean town on her?

Dap's post-where he said that it was good that he didn't miss but that the game is very quite. That gives you a bad impression and a mixed read.

You read Amega as leaning scum because he said all the talk about Darthe's claim is making his brain hurt, asking if mafia would lurk and commenting on Darthe's play.

#Rhea - yup, I liked the few posts she had

#Dap - yup, I didn't like that post because it it starts with a fake sounding "oh I'm so sad ... but at least ...", that stroke a scummy chord

#Amega - yes, what's the point of him posting to add that it makes his brain hurt, not adding his stance AND not adding his vote - and when he comes in later, it's no better either 

 

All of your reasons are nothing solid but you read them as leaning town/mafia?

Again, what do you mean by "solid". We have some interactions, but not very much so obviously you can't have a pretty solid read on anyone (unless someone plays very bad) and I hope you're not trying to go down the line where you would like to have someone "proven" to be scum.

Day 1 is day 1. Just cause you have limited information, that doesn't mean you shouldn't take a stand and give your opinions. That's what I think anyway.

 

2. I have no comment on that. But Hallia post to which you refer was just part of the initial fluff.

Dap's post wasn't, however.

[csarmi]

@X

 

 

I got lynch proof for 24 hours.

 

That's too bad.  You're starting to become like the old Ape - argue with people for inconsequential reasons and making mountains out of molehills.  It is frustrating to argue semantics with you and try to scumhunt at the same time......because you are dominating the discussion and making it hard to focus elsewhere.

 

This gives a mixed read because

1) He throws some dirt my way without taking a stance (for instance, voting me - "umm too bad we can't lynch you now") = bad

2) He goes out of his way to try and stop the derailing that's going on = good