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[Andrej]

Wombat I really have no idea what point you are making. It first sounds like you are saying that I am pushing Des indirectly but another one of your posts makes it sound like you think I am trying to stall his wagon. Which is it? Clarify plz so I can understand.

 

I would put Wombat and effectively null currently. He calls me scum in every game I've played with him so that's meh but I can see his POV in thinking Des is scum although I don't agree. Where is your town read on Pral coming from? Do you agree with his statements that every vote switch by Despo had scum motivation?

 

@Tommy - I don't feel like MQing from my phone cause it's a PITA but basically I liked how TG responded to my questions for him. Once he clarified how he viewed CS claiming town over a role I was able to see how his original doubt of it had lessened. I am also able to see how he would my early comment on Dap could be scummy although I think he is not seeing it the way I did. This could be due to me not making my statement clear enough. I think your case on him is good and not a bad D1 lynch but I would prefer lynching someone I view as more scummy. If Pral were to flip scum, him voting Des over TG as the two leading wagons at the time could be telling.

[Andrej]

That's a valid observation Peace. You are wrong from the scum/scum angle but you are free to make such speculations.

[Andrej]

That first post is full of typos. Damn autocorrect

[hazelkrs1]

So lemme get this straight.

 

Darthe does something uberscummy.

I and others call him out for it and ask for explanation.

He dodges the question and continuously trolls me.

And then eventually he uses the "I only acted scummy as a trap!" defense, which is most likely the worst defense in the history of mafia.

 

...

 

And everyone buys it, and tells me to take the blinders off.

 

..................

 

Yeah, uh, not happening. If yall wanna ignore Darthe's blatant scumminess, fine. I'll take care of it myself.

 

Will respond to more in a sec.

[hazelkrs1]

Please recall that I had to catch up on multiple pages at once.  I responded to what stood out to me.

 

Then you came with this:

 

I agree that most of the stuff you called fluff wasn't really fluff... but Wombat still disappointed me somewhat.

 

@Wombat: Explain why you think I'm most likely to be scum atm. You said I posted a gif instead of casing Darthe, but I obviously did. I even linked it again for Darthe recently. Did you miss it? I can link it for you as well

 

Telling me look for the case you linked.

 

 

Here you go Darthe, I'll be a pal and link it for you!

 

 

 

Here is you linking said case.  The link leads to the same post I quoted.

 

You are full of poop.

 

I NEVER said that was my original case tho. You said I was spamming gifs instead of casing Darthe. But soon after I posted some gifs I also cased Darthe and summarized the points against him for Tommy. I linked it for Darthe since he kept ignoring it, and then redirected you to the link to see I HAD cased him even after I was posting gifs, which proved you completely wrong on your first fos on me.

 

You then tried to say that was my original case, and that the backtracking seemed like it was of equal prominence to the scumslip in my case on Darthe. Both of those statements are patently false. I first pointed out the slip, and referenced that slip multiple times, other people commented on it, and I myself never brought up the backtracking till that summary. Yet you were completely ignoring the slip at first when defending Darthe.

 

So either you're not reading the thread, or you put out an incredibly weak and poorly thought defense of your teammate Darthe, prob counting on the likelihood that you could make it look like I was just going for Darthe cause that's what I do or something.

[hazelkrs1]

Speaking of which how many people has Des voted already?

 

Turin. Joke vote.

Checking in!

 

Vote Turin

 

Cause he's prob already tunneling me.

 

Early fishing vote

 

Bolded=buddying. First actual ping of the game. Let's start here.

 

Unvote, Vote Wombat

Scummy csarmi vote

 

 

My opinion is that when you're town, you tend to hurt town more than help it.

 

1. Coming from you, this is freaking hilarious. There's a reason your play gets compared to EP and Ley a bunch.

 

2. Just wildly untrue. I almost never lose as town, and when I do it's usually cause I was NK'ed early.

 

 

4. I don't even think you believe this.

 

Unvote, Vote Fishlami.

 

OMGUS amega vote

 

I'm FAR more often town than scum. It must be Darthe or Cloud you're thinking of, those dudes are ALWAYS mafia.

 

And you just started playing again after like, a year hiatus. Small sample size alert?

 

Also could be fake imo. Plus it's a nudge. Me no likee nudges.

 

Vote Amega.

A reasoned vote on Darthe

 

What what WHAT?

 

That's like the scummiest thing Ive ever heard you say Day 1.

 

And you're Darthe.

 

Unvote, Vote Darthe

Not to mention hundreds of nudges in between.

 

He isn't town. Nope.

 

vote Des

 

Have you ever seen me play Pray? Like at all? Cause vote-hopping is nowhere near a scumtell for me. It is at best a nulltell. As is casting a wide net of fos's. Turrible vote.

[Pralaya]

 

Have you ever seen me play Pray? Like at all? Cause vote-hopping is nowhere near a scumtell for me. It is at best a nulltell. As is casting a wide net of fos's. Turrible vote.

 

 

Yes, I have seen you play and that is exactly why my vote is there. You vote hop but not to this extent. You are throwing your votes here like beads at Mardi Gras. 

[hazelkrs1]

Des used the word inextricably.

 

Des, stop using big words to try and look smart. If it has more than five letters you shouldnt say it.

 

 

And he used obfuscating!

 

Omg so scummy. He is clearly trying to talk over our heads and look intelligent to make us think we need him.

 

So scummy.

 

So very scummy.

 

 

 

 

And he used obfuscating!

 

Omg so scummy. He is clearly trying to talk over our heads and look intelligent to make us think we need him.

 

So scummy.

 

So very scummy.

Darthe, when players are passive-aggressive and use it to try and discredit someone's case rather than responding to it, would you view that as scummy?

If someone had a reasonable case rather than a load of crock that they repeated until the dumber masses followed it I might care enough to axtually challenge their views. As things stand I am not worried nor was I. Ive said it a hundted times now, Des doesnt yet know how to play thus game like those whose names are remembered around here. It isnt a matter of his ability, it is in how he uses it and how well he can perform critical analysis.

 

FTP, saying something multiple times anx then pushing people to repeat it is not a high level skill. All that it ever convinces are newbies, skimmers, and people who dont have the ability to critically think. Why would I eved be threatened by that or waste my time catering to it? I would much rather find mafia in a logical and concise manner. If you need proof of this examine the last ten or so times that Des and I playdd together. Other than the few times that he annoyed me to the point that I dealt with him Ive done this exact same thing and HE is the one who ends up dead for it. Because that sort of play cant hold up over time withiut incriminating the one driving it. Because he plays to beliefs rather than logical conclusions. Because he never backs away when he thinks he is wrong.

 

That is a long answer that should finally precisely answer your question.

 

TLDR I dont view Des as a threat because his views dont hold water

 

 

And btw these three posts together convinced me beyond the shadow of a doubt how to use my NA tonight. I know what you've been trying to do Darthe. You've been purposefully antagonizing me because you think that's the best way to manage me as scum. To throw me off my game so to speak. And you obviously think you succeeded since all the votes dissipated, letting you finally come out and post more than trollposts against me. So you don't think I'm a threat eh? Well you'll have plenty of time to mull over that and whether launching all these personal attacks against me was a good idea after tonight.

 

 

And fyi I could literally go back and fetch the last 10 games and show you how incredibly wrong you are. I got you lynched as scum in 4 of them, 2 of them you were town LVP and got lynched, 2 you got NK'ed early as town, and the other two I outlasted you as well. In fact, I've lived pretty long if not till endgame in every game that I wasn't lynched or modkilled D1 for like months now. So yeah my methods help my team win, and I normally live a LOT longer than you. Keep telling yourself how cool you are tho Darthe.

[hazelkrs1]

Despo, your example of clout in the last paragraph is incorrect. What you are describing is in fact meta. Player x(Despo) does scummy things every game so many treat that as null. I am of the opinion that if you do scummy things you should be called out on it. Regardless if you do them as either alignment. The reason for this is that it does not help town.

 

And with regard specifically to your "politely requesting" mish explain herself you are misrepping yourself. You said oh no you don't get to just say that. You have to say why. If this is your thought of being polite then Texas isn't what it used to be.

 

Finally, you exhibited a bit of whyme in one of your responses. I think in regards to Darthe. Not sure of who you were talking to there. Your defense of your actions this game to date are pretty lacking IMO. It will be tomorrow night before I am on a computer again to possibly locate quotes.

 

All the "Oh no you don't just get to say that" thing was letting her know I wouldn't let her off that easy. I wasn't going to accept "well we'll have to agree-to-disagree" as a response. But I still ASKED her, I didn't tell her how to respond, and I DID say please. So yes, imo, it was polite, for a mafia game at least.

[hazelkrs1]

Oh and nice job continuing to ignore literally everyone else in the game in favor of tunneling on me Turin. Really good play there.

 

[hazelkrs1]

And Des, you can probably find someone who is scummier than Darthe if you take your blinders off and look around the entire thread.

 

Nope. They're not blinders on, I can see fine thank you. I've dealt with Darthe's unbelievably poor sportsmanship for I don't know how long now, I've learned how to just disregard him if he's town. He's not in this game tho. Once he finally explained his slip, it was "Oh I did that on purpose for reactions".... which is just awful defense, yet town had already moved it's focus off of him so he got away with it. For a little while longer at least

 

And as far as the other stuff in your post, that my playstyle isn't doing enough to get people to like me or w/e, I stopped worrying about trying to play in a way that engendered myself to others in mafia a long time ago. I play the way I play, if others want to disregard my opinion, then that is their prerogative. But I have proven more than enough times that my opinion SHOULDN'T be discounted. 

[Pralaya]

 

If you had to rank them, how would you order those players from scummiest to least? I want more gutspill from you so I can discern your alignment. I asked for a list of reads earlier, please get back to moi.

 

 

Yes, if you ask me something when I am fast asleep, you are not going to get a replay within 10 minutes. So, patience. Similarly I am not expecting a reply from you on this within an hour or something and the cycle goes on.

 

LIke I have already mentioned, Des and Darthe are the ones stand out. Des for his blatant vote hopping (see next point). 

Below is Darthe trying to push an opportunistic train to take out the heat on him or his scum partner.

 

@Kaylee, I wanted to say it in that way and so I did.  It felt right to see who would react and in what way, despite being something that I could have phrased better.  Additionally I found the heat on me to be very... fake for lack of a better word and so it looked like she may be being protected.

 

 

unvote; vote Pral

 

There's a lot of content that I've missed but some pretty good stuff to read through. I'm reconsidering my read on TG after my previous post that he answered some of my questions pretty well after restating his thought process. What Darthe says is true in a way of Despo. I personally don't think he is scum this game based on how he is adding anyone who counters him to his wolf-list, but generally I find myself unsure of his play. I don't agree with most of his points but I've noticed Despo kind of has a way of only seeing things from his perspective when it comes to what he considers scummy. Pral's recap of his posts with literally 0 analysis except to call each of his vote changes scummy is suspect and looks like an easy way to jump onto the lead wagon. I'm still not liking Dap this game. Ducking out comments aside, I find most of his posts lacking any real content. His OP contains him saying all the current wagons at the time to be odd, but with no explanation why. His last post was basically just an agreement with what other people have said where he states he finds both Darthe and TG scummy without really expressing why. I'm also uncomfortable with how he is allowing Despo to buddy up to him without calling him on it when in the last game we played together he was quick to call out another player for a joke vote as a form of buddying him. I would be comfortable with voting either of these two atm.

 

@Mish - do you still find TG scummy?

@Kaylee - who else would you consider voting for since you don't seem able to reconcile your read on Darthe?

 

This kind of post is why AJ is essentially lock town for me.

 

Turin - Unsure, but leaning town for now.  Although I disagree with him on one point I like that he's making real effort.

Amega - Unsure leaning scum - Need to hear more from him, but I don't like the way he just nudged, didn't vote, and then vanished.

Mish - I have a town read on her for now.

Des  - I can't read him >.<

Kaylee - Although she is going along with the flow, she explained herself after I posted this, so I'm willing to lean town a ways with her so far.

 

And this kind of post is why Hally's name will never be on a best players list.  Five people and four of them are floaty answers but one says nothing at all?  You deserve to get lynched every time you pull something like this.

 

Unvote vote Laya.  

 

 

 

Also, this

 

 

 

This was pretty weak; I think we all need to have a chat about what is and is not scummy behavior, because there's a lot of stuff flying around in this thread that shouldn't have left the ground (including a lot of what Des has said is scummy). Like I said above, a developed reads list from you would be nice. 

 

 

It is not about what is being done but rather about who is doing what and when. A lot of the reads develop by being familiar with the playstyle of the  person you are reading and comparing what he is doing here. 

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

Lol is this a serious question?

 

 

It was meant to be coupled with my immediate following post.

 

 

Still a silly and useless question.  Criticizing people for having a good vocabulary is heinous enough.  Doing it hypocritically is even worse.

 

 

TG said Darthe was being passive aggressive in response to a case in order to discredit it. That has nothing to do with Darthe's vocabulary, it has to do with his tone.

[hazelkrs1]

Unvote, Vote Pray btw. It was a scummy opportunistic vote on me, and I'll handle Darthe tonight. Don't think the case on TG is all that strong and the people pushing it make me think he's more likely to be town.

[hazelkrs1]

Pral is on-meta, which is to say he's playing an annoyingly lazy game.  He also lives halfway across the world from most of us which further compounds the matter.

 

Kaylee, I will have to examine in further detail tomorrow morning.

 

Something I thought about after seeing this post- I have never seen Wombat try to rely this much on meta reads before. He knows how unreliable meta can be, and yet he is taking hard stances on a number of people based on meta instead of on gameplay ITT. Never seen him do that this much.

 

Def thinking Scumbat is in the house.

[hazelkrs1]

Your team better have a Roleblocker Darthe. And call Kenny Loggins.

 

Cause you're in the About-to-get-vig-killed Zone.

[Tommyrod]

Tommy, You asked about why I find AJ's unvote of Tglems suspicious. 

 

Well, I placed my vote on Tglems and that put him at 6, which I consider the danger zone for a lynch.  If AJ was bussing earlier or voting his team mate earlier as a distancing move for later game play then removing his vote at this time is a team mate saving move.

 

So, it is suspicious.

 

Okay. It's not the most sophisticated reason, but I guess it makes sense 

 

Wombat I really have no idea what point you are making. It first sounds like you are saying that I am pushing Des indirectly but another one of your posts makes it sound like you think I am trying to stall his wagon. Which is it? Clarify plz so I can understand.

 

I would put Wombat and effectively null currently. He calls me scum in every game I've played with him so that's meh but I can see his POV in thinking Des is scum although I don't agree. Where is your town read on Pral coming from? Do you agree with his statements that every vote switch by Despo had scum motivation?

 

@Tommy - I don't feel like MQing from my phone cause it's a PITA but basically I liked how TG responded to my questions for him. Once he clarified how he viewed CS claiming town over a role I was able to see how his original doubt of it had lessened. I am also able to see how he would my early comment on Dap could be scummy although I think he is not seeing it the way I did. This could be due to me not making my statement clear enough. I think your case on him is good and not a bad D1 lynch but I would prefer lynching someone I view as more scummy. If Pral were to flip scum, him voting Des over TG as the two leading wagons at the time could be telling.

 

Well, it's okay for you to think TG got more villagery, but that's easy when he's starting from scummiest player ITT. I agree with you though that what Wombat said makes no sense, it seems like he's skimming too hard. Whether that's scum driven or not -- dunno yet. You agree with me that Pral is sketch city as of right now, yes? He's my #2 of the moment.

 

That's a valid observation Peace. You are wrong from the scum/scum angle but you are free to make such speculations.

 

Phrasing!

 

 

 

Have you ever seen me play Pray? Like at all? Cause vote-hopping is nowhere near a scumtell for me. It is at best a nulltell. As is casting a wide net of fos's. Turrible vote.

 

 

Yes, I have seen you play and that is exactly why my vote is there. You vote hop but not to this extent. You are throwing your votes here like beads at Mardi Gras. 

 

 

This is possibly the weakest follow-up to the weakest reason we've had for a vote so far in this game. 

 

 

And Des, you can probably find someone who is scummier than Darthe if you take your blinders off and look around the entire thread.

 

Nope. They're not blinders on, I can see fine thank you. I've dealt with Darthe's unbelievably poor sportsmanship for I don't know how long now, I've learned how to just disregard him if he's town. He's not in this game tho. Once he finally explained his slip, it was "Oh I did that on purpose for reactions".... which is just awful defense, yet town had already moved it's focus off of him so he got away with it. For a little while longer at least

 

And as far as the other stuff in your post, that my playstyle isn't doing enough to get people to like me or w/e, I stopped worrying about trying to play in a way that engendered myself to others in mafia a long time ago. I play the way I play, if others want to disregard my opinion, then that is their prerogative. But I have proven more than enough times that my opinion SHOULDN'T be discounted. 

 

 

Agree to disagree then, but my ultimate point is this: you'll make better reads overall if you allow yourself to "reset" and re-compile all the info you have available every 1-2 days so that you don't get stuck on conditional reads that could be based on a false premise. I've started to do that myself because I kept embarrassing myself by hard pushing bad lynches. 

 

 

 

If you had to rank them, how would you order those players from scummiest to least? I want more gutspill from you so I can discern your alignment. I asked for a list of reads earlier, please get back to moi.

 

 

Yes, if you ask me something when I am fast asleep, you are not going to get a replay within 10 minutes. So, patience. Similarly I am not expecting a reply from you on this within an hour or something and the cycle goes on.

 

LIke I have already mentioned, Des and Darthe are the ones stand out. Des for his blatant vote hopping (see next point). 

Below is Darthe trying to push an opportunistic train to take out the heat on him or his scum partner.

 

@Kaylee, I wanted to say it in that way and so I did.  It felt right to see who would react and in what way, despite being something that I could have phrased better.  Additionally I found the heat on me to be very... fake for lack of a better word and so it looked like she may be being protected.

 

 

unvote; vote Pral

 

There's a lot of content that I've missed but some pretty good stuff to read through. I'm reconsidering my read on TG after my previous post that he answered some of my questions pretty well after restating his thought process. What Darthe says is true in a way of Despo. I personally don't think he is scum this game based on how he is adding anyone who counters him to his wolf-list, but generally I find myself unsure of his play. I don't agree with most of his points but I've noticed Despo kind of has a way of only seeing things from his perspective when it comes to what he considers scummy. Pral's recap of his posts with literally 0 analysis except to call each of his vote changes scummy is suspect and looks like an easy way to jump onto the lead wagon. I'm still not liking Dap this game. Ducking out comments aside, I find most of his posts lacking any real content. His OP contains him saying all the current wagons at the time to be odd, but with no explanation why. His last post was basically just an agreement with what other people have said where he states he finds both Darthe and TG scummy without really expressing why. I'm also uncomfortable with how he is allowing Despo to buddy up to him without calling him on it when in the last game we played together he was quick to call out another player for a joke vote as a form of buddying him. I would be comfortable with voting either of these two atm.

 

@Mish - do you still find TG scummy?

@Kaylee - who else would you consider voting for since you don't seem able to reconcile your read on Darthe?

 

This kind of post is why AJ is essentially lock town for me.

 

Turin - Unsure, but leaning town for now.  Although I disagree with him on one point I like that he's making real effort.

Amega - Unsure leaning scum - Need to hear more from him, but I don't like the way he just nudged, didn't vote, and then vanished.

Mish - I have a town read on her for now.

Des  - I can't read him >.<

Kaylee - Although she is going along with the flow, she explained herself after I posted this, so I'm willing to lean town a ways with her so far.

 

And this kind of post is why Hally's name will never be on a best players list.  Five people and four of them are floaty answers but one says nothing at all?  You deserve to get lynched every time you pull something like this.

 

Unvote vote Laya.  

 

 

 

Also, this

 

 

 

This was pretty weak; I think we all need to have a chat about what is and is not scummy behavior, because there's a lot of stuff flying around in this thread that shouldn't have left the ground (including a lot of what Des has said is scummy). Like I said above, a developed reads list from you would be nice. 

 

 

It is not about what is being done but rather about who is doing what and when. A lot of the reads develop by being familiar with the playstyle of the  person you are reading and comparing what he is doing here. 

 

 

Well when can I expect an adequate response? I'm being patient, unusually so. I don't see how Des meta leads you to a scum lean here; I think the difference in his town/scum play is how many suspects he can convincingly juggle. As scum he sticks to one or two a lot harder, IMO.

 

 

Pral is on-meta, which is to say he's playing an annoyingly lazy game.  He also lives halfway across the world from most of us which further compounds the matter.

 

Kaylee, I will have to examine in further detail tomorrow morning.

 

Something I thought about after seeing this post- I have never seen Wombat try to rely this much on meta reads before. He knows how unreliable meta can be, and yet he is taking hard stances on a number of people based on meta instead of on gameplay ITT. Never seen him do that this much.

 

Def thinking Scumbat is in the house.

 

 

He's hardcore skimming, and I'm growing weary of it. Let's see what he says today. I'd say he's currently in the... danger zone!

[keyholder21]

Morning lovelies!

 

Official Vote Count:

Darthe (1) -  Kaylee
Despo (4) - Turin, Wombat, Amega, Pral
TG (5) - Mish, Tommy, Leno, Hallia, peace
Lenlo (1) - TG
Pral (3) - AJ, Darthe, des

Not Voting (2) - Dap, BFG

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

PLEASE NOTE THAT A DEADLINE HAS BEEN SET FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 26 AT 9PM CST
Deadline: http://www.timeandda...sg=End of Day 1

[keyholder21]

[Tommyrod]

Good morning Key

 

Songstress 18

Kaylee 14

Pralaya 12

BFG 10

amegakure 9

Hallia 9

Turin Turambar 8

dapianoplay3r 8

 

Here are the players with fewer posts than one of the mods. So... I obviously want to see more from all of you. I know people get busy, I get busy, but let's be a little more active this week please.

[Hallia]

I know I'll never be on the list of good players Darthe. I accept it, but thanks for the vote of confidence. All I can do is play my best and have fun.

[Tyler Glembo]

I know I'll never be on the list of good players Darthe. I accept it, but thanks for the vote of confidence. All I can do is play my best and have fun.

 

Just a reminder that I once modded a game where you were doctor.  You saved the person that mafia tried to NK on N1 and again on N2, effectively winning the game for town.  Just sayin.

[Tyler Glembo]

What are your opinions on Turin, Amega, Mish, Des and Kaylee? Your reads on them look more like commentaries about their content rather than actual opinions.

 

 

This is from BFG directed at Hally.  Quoted for solid point.  Hally looks like she is trying to slide.

 

im still here. Sorry about lurking i just havent seen anything worth mentioning im pretty much always looking at new posts though. And what exactly was my nudge at despo again?

 

You've seen nothing worth mentioning?  Nothing? 

 

 

Seems like you're still concerned with self preservation rather than scumhunting. Who are you going after right now? Still on Darthe? Has he gotten more scummy to you since his last series of stream-of-consciousness posts? Is he still the scummiest player ITT to you? Because he looks to have improved in terms of genuine posting.

 

 

Yeah, this seemed like TG posting just for the sake of looking like he's in the thread. Least convincing question / FOS ever. 

 

The people currently voting for Des: if you're town, your vote is likely best served elsewhere. Like TG, for example. And Des, you can probably find someone who is scummier than Darthe if you take your blinders off and look around the entire thread.

 

 

Your confirmation bias is impressive.  You already decided you think I'm scum, so when I answer your questions about my thought process you discount it.  Then when I try to move on and solve the game you say I'm fake scumhunting and just trying to preserve myself.  Then you say I'm just posting to look like I'm in the thread, in direct contradiction to what you just said about how I'm posting to preserve myself and fake scumhunting. 

 

You can't even agree with yourself from one sentence to the next.  Hardcore rationalizing to make each of my posts fit your previously determined conclusion. 

 

And to answer your question, Lenlo is the scummiest person in the thread.  Darthe's scumminess went down slightly to me because he looks like he is actually interacting with other players even though he is purposely not with Despo (in short he answered me reasonably).  Pral is climbing in scumminess.  As is Hally. 

 

Still a silly and useless question.  Criticizing people for having a good vocabulary is heinous enough.  Doing it hypocritically is even worse.

 

 

I didn't criticize for language.  I pointed out the passive-aggressive play and Darthe responded.

 

 

 

 

 

Have you ever seen me play Pray? Like at all? Cause vote-hopping is nowhere near a scumtell for me. It is at best a nulltell. As is casting a wide net of fos's. Turrible vote.

 

 

Yes, I have seen you play and that is exactly why my vote is there. You vote hop but not to this extent. You are throwing your votes here like beads at Mardi Gras. 

 

 

I agree that Despo moving votes is pretty null.  But convince me Pral, how many times does Despo typically move his vote in D1?  How many times has he done it this game?  Is it much more than a standard deviation above the norm?

 

 

 

If you had to rank them, how would you order those players from scummiest to least? I want more gutspill from you so I can discern your alignment. I asked for a list of reads earlier, please get back to moi.

 

 

Yes, if you ask me something when I am fast asleep, you are not going to get a replay within 10 minutes. So, patience. Similarly I am not expecting a reply from you on this within an hour or something and the cycle goes on.

 

LIke I have already mentioned, Des and Darthe are the ones stand out. Des for his blatant vote hopping (see next point). 

Below is Darthe trying to push an opportunistic train to take out the heat on him or his scum partner.

 

 

This was pretty weak; I think we all need to have a chat about what is and is not scummy behavior, because there's a lot of stuff flying around in this thread that shouldn't have left the ground (including a lot of what Des has said is scummy). Like I said above, a developed reads list from you would be nice. 

 

 

It is not about what is being done but rather about who is doing what and when. A lot of the reads develop by being familiar with the playstyle of the  person you are reading and comparing what he is doing here. 

 

 

Great job avoiding having to actually say anything other than you'd jump on whichever lynch train leaves the station, between Des and Darthe at least.

 

 

Agree to disagree then, but my ultimate point is this: you'll make better reads overall if you allow yourself to "reset" and re-compile all the info you have available every 1-2 days so that you don't get stuck on conditional reads that could be based on a false premise. I've started to do that myself because I kept embarrassing myself by hard pushing bad lynches. 

 

Confirmation bias sucks.

 

 

Lenlo is still the scummiest player in the game and needs votes.

[Hallia]

I appreciate it tg <3

[Tyler Glembo]

2 more things.

 

1) @Pral: Who do you think Darthe's scum partner is.

 

 

2) Whoever said the word turrible is Despo's is wrong.  It is Charles Barkley's and we are all free to use it.