[Basic] Reboot Mafia Game MAFIA WINS

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Deadline has been set.

[peacesells]

 

VOTE DESPO

 

Got a strong eye on one other person as well. But, Despo is the first scum.

Care to say who else?

 

 

Funny you should say this...cause you are the other one.  In fact, you have take the lead spot UNVOTE  VOTE KAYLEE

 

 

VOTE DESPO

 

Got a strong eye on one other person as well.  But, Despo is the first scum. 

 

This is your 2nd post of the game and you start with claiming that someone is scum. Opportunistic? Seems to me like scum parroting what others have said hoping for an easy lynch on D1. Scum lean

 

 

This seems to be your go to move.  Using the word parroting.  It doesn't mean what you think it means.  Develop another move please...otherwise you'll just keep looking silly and I can keep avoiding having a real discussion with you.

[Leelou]

Des: I wasn't changing my story on why, I just phrased it wrong. I meant that was another reason why.

 

I'm not scum and still don't think AJ's town. It did feel like a gambit to me.

 

 

 

AJ's switch off Des after seeming so sure before, referring to the threats, seems odd.Unvote Vote AJ

And now you found a reason to move your vote after your setup to switch.

 

Do you still think Des is scum and they were using a gambit?

[Leelou]

 

 

VOTE DESPOGot a strong eye on one other person as well. But, Despo is the first scum.

 

Care to say who else?

 

Funny you should say this...cause you are the other one.  In fact, you have take the lead spot UNVOTE  VOTE KAYLEE

To the bold - agreed

[Kaylee]

Leelou: I wasn't setting up to switch, art the time it felt like a gambit meaning I thought they were both likely scum. As for do I still think that...I'm not as sure. I'm undecided about Des but still feel AJ isn't town and that's why I switched my vote.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Vote Count

AJ (3) - Despo, Csarmi, Kaylee
Verbal (1) – Amagakure

Kaylee (3) - AJ, Leelou, Peace

Not Voting: You

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
 

Deadline is set for Thursday, Feb. 20th at 9:00 AM CST

 

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I have poked the less active ones.

[Leelou]

Can't multi quote on my phone...but no? You didn't set up a switch?

 

Vote Des

 

Why vote Des? To get a train started there with a second vote instead of putting AJ at 4 votes. I can switch my vote to AJ if need be.

[Kaylee]

I meant that I thought both were scum and would be willing to go for either.

[Kaylee]

I originally thought if they were both scum then we should have competitive trains on them...now I feel AJ is scum and I'm not sure about Des.

[Andrej]

@ Kay - What made you change your mind about Des? What about us both originally did you think made us both scum pulling a gambit?

[Kaylee]

@ Kay - What made you change your mind about Des? What about us both originally did you think made us both scum pulling a gambit?

As far as the gambit the back and forth you both had going felt more like teammates distancing. It felt forced. That's the best I can explain it.

 

As far as Des goes I typically have a hard time reading him. He started off with weak reasons for his case. (The jovial thing). Since then he's been making more valid points and I'm not sure about him now.

[SickPuppets]

Well we're all having aren't we? 

[SickPuppets]

*Well we're all having fun aren't we?

[Andrej]

wow.. for someone who tooth and nail proclaimed Des as scum yesterday you are jumping off the case rather quickly with a meta for a reasoning. Im thinking either your trying to get out of a corner or two we hit the nail on the head with the gambit and this is the only way to separate your self from despo. 

 

People can change their minds. I did react badly to Despo's early case on me but mostly because it was so bogus. His subsequent posts remind me of how I have seen him play in other games, games in which we have also butted heads in a similar manner (as town/town). I think we just both read each other as scummy and so to prevent more clogging of the thread I would rather not gun for someone I think may be town today.

 

Ninja'd and agreed.

 

Hally: Jovial wasn't the only reason AJ was voted, just one of Despo's reasons.

 

In his original post he also says that my vote on Verb was big-game hunting but I am also trying to blend in with a game starter vote? Or something like that... but anyway, it's easy to see how those things alone are basically opposite.

 

 

VOTE DESPO

 

Got a strong eye on one other person as well. But, Despo is the first scum.

Care to say who else?

 

Peace nails this later on, but I kind of lol'd here. This alone should be enough to have Kaylee get lynched. This indicates that she has a guilty conscious and so when Peace probes a bit, she can't help but bite.

 

 

VOTE DESPO

 

Got a strong eye on one other person as well.  But, Despo is the first scum. 

 

This is your 2nd post of the game and you start with claiming that someone is scum. Opportunistic? Seems to me like scum parroting what others have said hoping for an easy lynch on D1. Scum lean

 

I personally don't agree with Des's facts that a person jovial tone can be an indicator of their alignment. In my opinion, any one's jovial or bored tone needn't be an indicator of their alignment. If according to this theory that all mafia would have a jovial or excited tone, then subsequently all town would have a bored tone and thereby be uninterested in playing. Other than this he mostly gives me a null read till now.

 

AJ, most of your defense against Des's vote seems ok, albeit one thing. The one thing that pinged the most is you threatening Des to have him killed. Now I can look at this 2 ways-you're a vig, ergo your claim that you can kill him if he pushes your lynch. Or you're scum-this fits with your theory that you can get him killed but also supports one thing that you said. Acc. to you, even if you were lynched, you could still get him killed. If he lynches you, your scummates plot in the QT and get him for the NK. This neatly fits with what you said.

This gives me a slight scum read on you AJ.

 

The rest, mostly nothing has happened. Everyone is mostly giving their reads, conclusions and opinions on AJ and Des's spate.

 

These are the few things I wanted to comment upon while I read up. Also what's a gambit?

 

 

I like the first bolded paragraph. That's somewhat similar to my thoughts on it. I legitimately don't see how you someone could push that angle, but that's Despo for you. Anyway, the second paragraph is fine too. I can't particularly kill Des myself (even if I wanted to ). Basically it comes down like this: I know I am town. I will defend myself with that knowledge against those who vote/attack me. Some attacks/votes are more warranted than others based on their reasoning and some are just so blatantly bad that in the end it will likely come back to bite that person. I feel Despo's original case on me was of the latter, therefore if I did happen to die for whatever reason and turned up town, it would eventually likely lead to his own undoing for such horrible logic when people looked back for early interactions.

 

Took sick.

 

Will be sparse.

 

Hmmm.

 

A gambit dear X is when two scum players go at each other in an attempt to distance themself from each other.

 

An im going to go ahead and Vote AJ

 

Not sure what to make of this one in particular. You originally don't say that you think it was a gambit but in another post you mention that it seems I am desperately trying to distance now. Wouldn't that be done better if I had left my vote there and continued pushing for his lynch? I think you're voting me because the post before this you talk about me changing my opinion. Was that it?

 

 

@Des: I disagree with your statement of calling potential gambit being a scumtell. Nothing wrong if a townie wants to mention that as an FYI and a statement on how they are viewing the situation.

 

Ugh, lulz phase was too quick! I'm scumhunting already?! What is this nonsense?!?!

 

It's not really that reliable of a scumtell since townies can very easily be paranoid of a gambit when there's a big back and forth between two players, but I do think it's a scumtell. I've seen scum employ it before when one of their own was "outed" by a strong town leader before as a way to try and get a mislynch on the townie the next day, and saying it seems like a gambit allows them to distance from their teammate as well as link them to a townie.

 

Even worse, in the case that I'm wrong about AJ and this is town on town violence, scum can sit back and call it a gambit, thereby not taking a true side on the whole affair and letting it dominate discussion for a lot longer. And it can make it look like they didn't "know" either player was town, cause they "thought" it was a gambit. See what I mean?

 

Thing is I think calling something a gambit between two players before either's alignment is known or before the situation has even fully played out is somewhat premature. Say we lynch AJ and he turns out to be scum. Does that mean I should be lynched next? A number of people on thread apparently seem to think so. I find this to be a way of setting up a lynch on me in the future if I'm right, and likely suspicion on me anyways if I'm wrong. Puts me in a no-win situation, all because I boldly called out something I saw on someone and he OMGUS'd.

 

Alright, back again and sober today.

 

Des, I stand by what I said. Perhaps my point wasn't made very well last night cause I was rambling a bit, so I'll try to clarify. Basically your case boils down to you saying that I come across as 'jovial' to you and this is an indicator that I received a scum PM and am excited about it. The issue I have with this is simple: You are only applying it in one direction. Why couldn't someone be excited because they got a town PM? I have a hard time believing that you didn't come to this conclusion on your own. If anything that reason should be considered null. So, like I said... I will crush you if this is what you are going to bring against me Really the only thing that you have mentioned against me that could be substantial was my saying killed vs lynched, but I think the point was clear. Eliminate, remove, knock out, etc they all mean the same thing. Fortunately you are exhibiting some of that narcissist Des behavior where you tunnel players and essentially call everything they say scummy, so townie points for that. It's annoying as hell, but it makes me think you could be town.

 

unvote

 

@Salami - Could you elaborate what you think is scummy in my post 58? I've seen you bring it up a few times now and frankly I'm unable to follow your thought process. Also, to answer your question in general I wouldn't say I would automatically be suspicious of everyone that attacks me. That's just part of the game. Their reasoning is a big thing for me, so Des was included on that list for his original vote reasoning. I also aren't following with what you were saying about my 'would like to think' you're town thing. You can disregard my meta read but I find it generally useful early in the game. A lurky CS is usually a scum CS, so in this instance you actually posting would make me lean the other direction based on that alone. I'd like you to explain more of your thought process though, plz.

 

I liked Amega's post. I'm sort of surprised the first thing people thought of was some sort of gambit. I dislike Kaylee's 'could go either way thing', I'm also unable to see where she got the idea of a distancing gambit based on that bolded quote she posted.

 

vote Kaylee

 

Alright so first of all: Holy Backtrack Batman! You start getting some votes cause people see you as the obviously scummier one between us, so you suddenly think I "could be" town now. Biiiig surprise.

 

 

As for the rest-

 

Bold: Cause you're much more likely to see a town PM than a scum one, just due to the laws of probability. If you see something a lot more often, you're not going to be as surprised to see it. Plus you could have gotten roled onto a scum team with people you really like, I know that gets me excited when I see the same.

 

Italics: Oh come on bro. It's day 1. Suuuuch a scummy tactic to go "All you really got on me is _____". Anyways, no- I don't think the point was clear. You were threatening to kill me and crush me, and several times implied that you could have me killed even if you were already dead. To me, that's as good as claiming scum. And yet you don't even really address this point when others bring it up.

 

Underlined: Why do you like Amega's post then? He brought up the gambit thing too... and btw nice distancing attempt with Kaylee.

 

I can agree with the top portion where you are talking about the gambit thing. I wouldn't necessarily call it a surefire 'scumtell' which you are overly fond of saying IMO but I can understand your thinking behind it. I was also sort of surprised that people automatically assumed gambit versus opposing factions. I still think your thinking behind the 'jovial tone' is faulty and by no means a 'scumtell' as you continue referring it to. This is basically the reason why I went back at you like I did. What point didn't I address? If you're talking about the kill/lynch thing I touched on a bit earlier in this post. I'm not attempting to downplay your reasons for you thinking that I am scum, they're bad enough as it is to do that for themselves lol. You say that my jovial tone is a scumtell. False. You said that I was attempting to big-game hunt while also trying to blend in. This is both false and contradictory. You say my defensive tone and threats are a scumtell, also false. Am I expected to simply accept when someone votes me for simply bad reasons? So yeah, in the end that only thing you might actually have that could be substantial is the semantics argument but I'm not particularly worried about that.

 

True, Amega did mention the gambit thing as a possibility but he also goes a bit more in depth in saying that he doesn't think it is because "the casing grew more awkward as it went" or something like that. It just seemed more organic to me like he was actually analyzing versus making assumptions.

 

 

Alright, back again and sober today.

 

Des, I stand by what I said. Perhaps my point wasn't made very well last night cause I was rambling a bit, so I'll try to clarify. Basically your case boils down to you saying that I come across as 'jovial' to you and this is an indicator that I received a scum PM and am excited about it. The issue I have with this is simple: You are only applying it in one direction. Why couldn't someone be excited because they got a town PM? I have a hard time believing that you didn't come to this conclusion on your own. If anything that reason should be considered null. So, like I said... I will crush you if this is what you are going to bring against me Really the only thing that you have mentioned against me that could be substantial was my saying killed vs lynched, but I think the point was clear. Eliminate, remove, knock out, etc they all mean the same thing. Fortunately you are exhibiting some of that narcissist Des behavior where you tunnel players and essentially call everything they say scummy, so townie points for that. It's annoying as hell, but it makes me think you could be town.

 

unvote

 

@Salami - Could you elaborate what you think is scummy in my post 58? I've seen you bring it up a few times now and frankly I'm unable to follow your thought process. Also, to answer your question in general I wouldn't say I would automatically be suspicious of everyone that attacks me. That's just part of the game. Their reasoning is a big thing for me, so Des was included on that list for his original vote reasoning. I also aren't following with what you were saying about my 'would like to think' you're town thing. You can disregard my meta read but I find it generally useful early in the game. A lurky CS is usually a scum CS, so in this instance you actually posting would make me lean the other direction based on that alone. I'd like you to explain more of your thought process though, plz.

 

I liked Amega's post. I'm sort of surprised the first thing people thought of was some sort of gambit. I dislike Kaylee's 'could go either way thing', I'm also unable to see where she got the idea of a distancing gambit based on that bolded quote she posted.

 

vote Kaylee

After going back through your posts, I think you got a little over-defensive with your threatening to kill Des for going after you. Des loves to get reactions and you gave him one. As to whether I think your scum or roled town, I'm starting to lean scum from Kaylee's posts.

 

Perhaps. I probably could've addressed the issue better. What I meant was that eventually Despo's faulty reasons would get him killed. Either by me leading his lynch (crushing/killing) or someone else when/if I died and flipped town and people looked back on his reasons for targeting me originally. Can't speak for Kaylee but I am town and I think she is actually a good bet on scum based on her recent posts. I like how you are honing in on what you find inconsistent, so I'm leaning town on you.

 

 

 

VOTE DESPO

 

Got a strong eye on one other person as well. But, Despo is the first scum.

Care to say who else?

 

 

Funny you should say this...cause you are the other one.  In fact, you have take the lead spot UNVOTE  VOTE KAYLEE

 

Lol, Peace can be town too. Would like to hear his thoughts on Despo though.

[Andrej]

 

@ Kay - What made you change your mind about Des? What about us both originally did you think made us both scum pulling a gambit?

As far as the gambit the back and forth you both had going felt more like teammates distancing. It felt forced. That's the best I can explain it.

 

As far as Des goes I typically have a hard time reading him. He started off with weak reasons for his case. (The jovial thing). Since then he's been making more valid points and I'm not sure about him now.

 

 

What points do you think are more valid? Is there a particular post you can point to and say 'this makes me think Des might be town'?

[Andrej]

I ask because it wasn't that long ago when you said you would be happy to vote either of us since we you were sure we were teammates pulling a distancing act. Now you are saying you think Despo could be town but your reasons are sort of vague. Example plz.

[Kaylee]

On my phone right now and getting ready to leave but I'll try to paraphrase what I mean.

 

Des switched his argument to focusing on what you were saying, your defense. He mentioned your comments on killing him. Then he addressed a few others me included.

 

AJ: no I didn't have or don't have a guilty conscious, as I have nothing to be guilty over/about. I was asking Peace because he hadn't said much by that point. I was wondering if he planned on voicing his other suspect or if he was just going to leave that open. If he didn't say who then I was going to ask why mention it if he hadn't planned on elaborating.

[Kaylee]

I ask because it wasn't that long ago when you said you would be happy to vote either of us since we you were sure we were teammates pulling a distancing act. Now you are saying you think Despo could be town but your reasons are sort of vague. Example plz.

I said I was unsure about Des. I have a hard time reading him.

 

I gave reasons why I feel differently, Just posted that actually

[amegakure]

No aj ive been considering a vote on you since des started in on you. And to be clear UNVOTE VOTE AJ

 

honestly not to fond of the casing they have on kaylee. i would have asked the same thing.

 

Peace doesnt seem to ever have any in depth reads so i really kinda just disregard what he has to say for the most part. never been a fan of town lurking.

[Leelou]

No aj ive been considering a vote on you since des started in on you. And to be clear UNVOTE VOTE AJ

 

honestly not to fond of the casing they have on kaylee. i would have asked the same thing.

 

Peace doesnt seem to ever have any in depth reads so i really kinda just disregard what he has to say for the most part. never been a fan of town lurking.

She seems to be very vague in her answers. What are your thoughts on kaylee?

[Andrej]

No aj ive been considering a vote on you since des started in on you. And to be clear UNVOTE VOTE AJ

 

honestly not to fond of the casing they have on kaylee. i would have asked the same thing.

 

Peace doesnt seem to ever have any in depth reads so i really kinda just disregard what he has to say for the most part.  never been a fan of town lurking.

 

So you know Peace is town then?

[Andrej]

*Well we're all having fun aren't we?

 

Tremendous time. You got anything you wanna add?

[amegakure]

NO. and its a meta but he did the same in the last game. and i get a good idea thats just what he does. Even if peace was scum their only vague reads and lurking to case him on. 

 

kaylee i think seems pretty towny at the moment i think have the same feel for you as well leelou. I go with a gut read on alot of stuff i cant alway put into words like in the last game i had one about you. but your game play was rather good. This game i feel no vibes from it besides possibe town.  

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Vote Count

 

AJ (4) - Despo, Csarmi, Kaylee, Ame

Kaylee (3) - AJ, Leelou, Peace

 

Not Voting: You

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

 

Deadline is set for Thursday, Feb. 20th at 9:00 AM CST

 

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[SickPuppets]

 

*Well we're all having fun aren't we?

 

Tremendous time. You got anything you wanna add?

 

One question: Why the sudden vote on me in the beginning?